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07-14-2015, 03:03 AM
#2976
re: Is My Advertising Pays / The Advert Platform A Scam or Ponzi?
And the "material difference" between the "fake scams online" and My Advertising Pays would be what, exactly ???
MATERIAL
adj. 1) relevant and significant in a lawsuit, as in "material evidence" as distinguished from totally irrelevant or of such minor importance that the court will either ignore it, rule it immaterial if objected to, or not allow lengthy testimony upon such a matter.
Simply changing the terminology makes no "material difference"
IOW, you can call them "AdPacks" or you can call them "Credit Packs" and there is no "material difference"
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing
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07-14-2015, 04:24 AM
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re: Is My Advertising Pays / The Advert Platform A Scam or Ponzi?
Originally Posted by
nerd
Yep, that's him.
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07-14-2015, 04:29 AM
#2978
re: Is My Advertising Pays / The Advert Platform A Scam or Ponzi?
Originally Posted by
littleroundman
And the "material difference" between the "fake scams online" and My Advertising Pays would be what, exactly ???
Simply changing the terminology makes no "material difference"
IOW, you can call them "AdPacks" or you can call them "Credit Packs" and there is no "material difference"
Firstly, you can't have a 'fake scam', secondly, 'MAD' . READ your posts before posting Danny and learn how to use spellcheck ffs!
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07-14-2015, 06:05 AM
#2979
re: Is My Advertising Pays / The Advert Platform A Scam or Ponzi?
Originally Posted by
HARRISON
Interesting info...Dave Finney has de-activated his Facebook page and has been reported to us as 'disappeared'. This is the guy who gave up his job to work full-time at MAPS and has been in videos with Simon and photographs with various other MAPS leaders. Curious eh?
..oops, just me! He must have banned me, deeply hurt lol
But I HAVE been told he's left home and has been uncontactable. He seems like a decent guy who has just been brainwashed. Really hope it's nothing to do with his MAPS involvement?
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07-14-2015, 07:04 AM
#2980
re: Is My Advertising Pays / The Advert Platform A Scam or Ponzi?
Originally Posted by
HARRISON
..oops, just me! He must have banned me, deeply hurt lol
Relax,
you're nobody in this business until you've been blocked from at least one Facebook page and / or two HYIP ponzi forums, received at least one death threat and a minimum of three threatening lawyers' letters
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing
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07-14-2015, 08:25 AM
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re: Is My Advertising Pays / The Advert Platform A Scam or Ponzi?
Originally Posted by
HARRISON
..oops, just me! He must have banned me, deeply hurt lol
But I
HAVE been told he's left home and has been uncontactable. He seems like a decent guy who has just been brainwashed. Really hope it's nothing to do with his MAPS involvement?
Well, you see, it's part of the new "get tough" stance by Danny boy and company....they won't read posts from naysayers, and they will delete and block them. That's why you can't see the page, because you are a Naughty Person.
So there! Nah-nah-ne-nah-nah! Thrrrrpppp! (etc)
I hope you are deeply chastened and hanging your head in shame.
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07-14-2015, 08:38 AM
#2982
re: Is My Advertising Pays / The Advert Platform A Scam or Ponzi?
Oh, look - problems with VX Gateway, apparently.
Surprise, yes?
Maps 586 July 15.jpg
But here's a nice bit of photoshoppery for us all to enjoy:-
Maps 585 July 15.jpg
If that was real, I bet it would be a rivetting read.
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07-14-2015, 09:50 AM
#2983
re: Is My Advertising Pays / The Advert Platform A Scam or Ponzi?
Originally Posted by
MAPS INAS we keep saying the same goofy ****
"MAPS IS GOING TO BE THE BIGGEST THING AFTER FACEBOOK AND GOOGLE..."
Attachment 11345
MAPS isn't even going to be the next Friendster.
Have mad mistakes, a revealing Freudian slip. It's one thing to involve yourself in a scam and lose your money, whole other barrel of monkeys to encourage others on little more than "social proof" that great things are a coming. Besides, mistakes are only useful if people learn from them. Since many of loudest cheerleaders keep pitching the same types of scams using the same faulty due diligence what has been learned? For some, scamming pays. For most, 90%+++, their lives will be changed and not for the better.
I like analogies because for me this isn't just about MAPS, there is a lot of garbage I wouldn't plow my families money into.
For instance
If someone was going to buy life insurance to protect their family finances, do they go to Youtube and Facebook for payment proofs? Videos and FB groups of gleeful widows/widowers cashing fat checks and buying cars? Or do they check with an outside rating agency and regulators on the stability of the company? That money may not be paid for 20 or 30 years, would purchasing it form someone with a history of absconding with ill gotten gains (think Simon Stepsys) be a wise move?
People who are buying credit packs in MAPS are just hoping and praying money will be there. DUMB.
If MAPS was a real company, they would have independent auditors, independent board, and real financial statements available for all to analyze. Money would be held in a real bank and someone gettin preggers wouldn't bring payments to a halt. Below are a few ways to detect fraud if someone actually had documents and process to review. Even without I spy with my keen eye some red flags...
20 Ways You Can Detect Fraud | AccountingWEB
Unusual Behavior
Complaints
Missing Documents
Excess Purchases
Ghost Employees
Inventory Shortages
Post Office Boxes as Shipping Addresses
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07-14-2015, 10:33 AM
#2984
re: Is My Advertising Pays / The Advert Platform A Scam or Ponzi?
The bottom line is all anyone has with MAPS is the word of people that things are solid. Beyond the Ponzi world there are things wise investors demand for to minimize fraud.
Use a system of checks and balances to ensure no one person has control over all parts of a financial transaction.
Protect petty cash funds and other cash funds.
Protect checks against fraudulent use
Protect cash and check collections.
Avoid or discourage related party transactions.
https://www.omh.ny.gov/omhweb/resour...l_top_ten.html
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Wouldn't join this very similar sounding scam either, must hate success.
https://adclickxpressscam.wordpress.com/
Ad Click Xpress :: About ACX
HOW ACX WORKS: Since ACX launched in June 2013, ALEXA has consistently ranked AdClickXpress.com in the Top 1% Most Visited Sites in the world. With millions of pageviews occurring each month, ACX can offer business clients with many Prime Advertising locations for banners, text and full-page ads at cost-effective pricing.
With a stock photo management team.
Run By a Stock Photo.JPG
May as well start at the beginning and see how these scams play out:
Board Message
You don't have to recruit but it sure is encouraged to maximize income.
Recruiting.JPG
Payment delays, but guys we're working on it.
Recruiting1.JPG
Payment delays but DDOS attack. Soon.
Recruiting2.JPG
This time we are serious about gemming our peoples paid.
Recruiting3.JPG
MAPS is one of many past, present, and future ad clicking scams. Endless recruiting calls the tune, always. When fresh cash dries up, the DDOS attacks and Payment Processor upgrades will start. All the Facebook pages and Mappy phrases won't change the outcome of money wired down a black hole.
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07-14-2015, 10:59 AM
#2985
re: Is My Advertising Pays / The Advert Platform A Scam or Ponzi?
Now this is a real cracker from Danny boy. Full of inaccuracies and sweeping statements, but not one single iota of proof - sound familiar?
Brace yourselves:-
DT blog 1 14 July 15.jpg DT blog 2 14 July 15.jpg DT blog 3 14 July 15.jpg DT blog 4 14 July 15.jpg
There's so much here I don't know where to start, but let me just make a few points:-
1. Everyone who is against MAPs was most certainly NOT in Banners Broker. I for one was never in that scheme. However, lots of the current Mappers were - Simon Stepsys for a start, and numerous others.
2. Banners Broker went down because of bad management and was not a ponzi? Where did Danny boy get that from? He says he has read up online, has he missed all the documentation from the receivers and reports from the Royal Canadian Mounted Police wherein it is specifically called a ponzi scheme? Of course, he also says he has spoken to ex-members, so if one of those was Simon Stepsys, it's hardly surprising if he's got a very funny idea about it. No Danny, it was a big fat scam from start to finish and thousands of people lost out because of it!
3. No-one is targetting current Mappers. Tara certainly is not. Tara has helped many, many people get money back from BB (and other schemes) by giving advice on chargebacks, and also letting people know how to contact the BB receivers. Tara warns about scams and schemes to HELP people. As far as I can see, people are here on RS, as they are on other fora and blogs in order to warn people and provide them with information so that they can make their own minds up.
4. Social proof is nice, but it ultimately means nothing. What does Ribshaw say above? If someone was going to buy life insurance to protect their family finances, do they go to Youtube and Facebook for payment proofs? Videos and FB groups of gleeful widows/widowers cashing fat checks and buying cars? Or do they check with an outside rating agency and regulators on the stability of the company? That money may not be paid for 20 or 30 years, would purchasing it form someone with a history of absconding with ill gotten gains (think Simon Stepsys) be a wise move? Could anything be clearer than that?
5. I note that the 2 year celebration will be held in germany - is that because no hotel in London will now take the Mappers? Oh no, silly me, they can't find a room big enough, that's the reason, isn't it? Plus more members in Germany than anywhere else, eh?
If that's the best you can do, Danny mate, I'd give up now.
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07-14-2015, 11:22 AM
#2986
re: Is My Advertising Pays / The Advert Platform A Scam or Ponzi?
RIBSHAW - I'd heard of AdHitProfits but not of AdClickXpress.
Gosh, it's all horribly familiar, isn't it? And depressing. These things keep right on popping up, over and over again. Sad thing is, people fall for them over and over again too.
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07-14-2015, 02:41 PM
#2987
re: Is My Advertising Pays / The Advert Platform A Scam or Ponzi?
Della, let me give you a little history about ACX (AdClickXpress):
It started out as JBP/JSSTripler run by Frederick Mann from South Africa. Fred was in Zeek, and as long as Zeek was paying, so did JBP/JSS. Just like in Zeek, JBP was having payment issues that coincided with Zeek's payment issues. When Zeek was shut down, Fred claimed that he sold JBP/JSS and the program changed to ProfitClicking. ProfitClicking was going nowhere fast so they changed the name to ACX.
Everyone who was owed money in JBP/JSS and went into ProfitClicking lost all their money, and any money they put into ProfitClicking. When they changed the name to ACX, they told the members they had to buy into the new program or they would not get paid the money they were owed from JBP/JSS and PC; and even then it was a very small percentage each time. To keep getting paid what was owed, you had to keep re-investing a portion of your earnings from ACX or you lost what was owed you. Most walked away. The only way ACX is now paying is from new blood, and it too will soon have payment issues as it is worse than its predecessors. The vast majority of the "I got paid" crowd are all HYIP Monitors, which fools the public into thinking ACX is real.
So now you have the back story on ACX, and as with every Ponzi they just close the old one down and then re-open under a new name when it comes to these types of programs. AHP is dead as Charles is promoting his new program TrafficMonsoon. When it starts running into payment issues, he will just let it die on its own and open a new one and claim it is not illegal to do a revenue share program, which he is right. Real revenue share programs are legal, it's just that his revenue share programs are in name-only. It is the usual smoke and mirrors to fool the members and hopefully the regulators.
EagleOne
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07-14-2015, 02:43 PM
#2988
re: Is My Advertising Pays / The Advert Platform A Scam or Ponzi?
Originally Posted by
Della Cate
RIBSHAW - I'd heard of AdHitProfits but not of AdClickXpress.
I can't remember if it is one linked earlier in the thread, or some iteration of same old same old. AdClickXpress, Successor Scam To 2 Earlier Scams, Stirring Again - And Gets Bad Press In South African Media - PatrickPretty.com
If it walks like a duck...
Cute Duckling Scam.JPG
Originally Posted by
Della Cate
Gosh, it's all horribly familiar, isn't it? And depressing. These things keep right on popping up, over and over again. Sad thing is, people fall for them over and over again too.
I can't imagine anyone reading a thread like this and believing MAPs is a real business. Then again, I have chatted with a few of them, seen the "proofs", and it becomes easier to believe. No less depressing!!!
This is eerily on target when comments are viewed in light of proving MAPS is here to stay...
In the book, Le Bon claims that there are several characteristics of crowd psychology: "impulsiveness, irritability, incapacity to reason, the absence of judgement of the critical spirit, the exaggeration of sentiments, and others...".[1] Le Bon claimed "that an individual immersed for some length of time in a crowd soon finds himself - either in consequence of magnetic influence given out by the crowd or from some other cause of which we are ignorant - in a special state, which much resembles the state of fascination in which the hypnotized individual finds himself in the hands of the hypnotizer."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cr...e_Popular_Mind
I know MAPPERS love them some Youtube...
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07-14-2015, 02:46 PM
#2989
re: Is My Advertising Pays / The Advert Platform A Scam or Ponzi?
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07-14-2015, 02:48 PM
#2990
re: Is My Advertising Pays / The Advert Platform A Scam or Ponzi?
Originally Posted by
HARRISON
You have a scam page???? What is it called Harrison Hatez???? You should post a link, I bet Mappers will love it.
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07-14-2015, 03:06 PM
#2991
re: Is My Advertising Pays / The Advert Platform A Scam or Ponzi?
Originally Posted by
HARRISON
Many apologies, but I cannot keep up with everything these days. Having to constantly hate really takes it out of you!
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07-14-2015, 03:18 PM
#2992
re: Is My Advertising Pays / The Advert Platform A Scam or Ponzi?
Danny says he is a "successful" MAPS affiliate which means what? He recruited a lot of people and earned a referral commission for them pumping money in and/or he bought ad packs and clicked 10 ads per day. Some combination of both perchance? That's how a Ponzi works early days, everyone is a genius.
When this much fresh money has to be continually pumped into a business, while people are claiming grand earnings, don't blindly follow naysayers/haters, THINK.
Originally Posted by
Della Cate
DT blog 1 14 July 15.jpg DT blog 2 14 July 15.jpg
1. Everyone who is against MAPs was most certainly NOT in Banners Broker. I for one was never in that scheme. However, lots of the current Mappers were - Simon Stepsys for a start, and numerous others.
If Danny can't get this one SMALL detail correct, what else might he have missed that actually matters? Tara and many others were warning people long before BB collapsed, while the "Dannys" of the BB world were telling everyone how great it was.
Originally Posted by
Della Cate
2. Banners Broker went down because of bad management and was not a ponzi? Where did Danny boy get that from? He says he has read up online, has he missed all the documentation from the receivers and reports from the Royal Canadian Mounted Police wherein it is specifically called a ponzi scheme? Of course, he also says he has spoken to ex-members, so if one of those was Simon Stepsys, it's hardly surprising if he's got a very funny idea about it. No Danny, it was a big fat scam from start to finish and thousands of people lost out because of it!
One of the more telling things, when the liquidators unwound the Banners Broker accounts they found little to no business expenses. Cash in one door and out the next, typical scam. How did Danny miss this when he was opining on "bad management?"
Originally Posted by
Della Cate
If that's the best you can do, Danny mate, I'd give up now.
Agreed. If Money Burner Turner can't get the most basic of readily available facts correct, what has he failed to vet with MAPS?
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07-14-2015, 03:27 PM
#2993
re: Is My Advertising Pays / The Advert Platform A Scam or Ponzi?
Question: Why is Danny Turner leading the charge against "haterz" - in particular, Tara Talks?
Question: Why isn't the Head of Communications, Tony Booth, working day and night to get a positive message out there, instead of letting Danny rampage around with a rather childish "we're not speaking to you because you're all nasty, but I'll get my big brother onto you, so there!" type FB page and blog campaign thingy? (Apologies for that, I'm not sure what to call it)
Question: And most of all, where is Mike Deese? We're told time and again that MAPs is is creation, so why hasn't he stepped forward to defend it in an adult manner? You know the sort of thing......some transparency about finances, accounts, auditors, advertisers etc? But from him....and the Booths....not a thing.
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07-14-2015, 03:59 PM
#2994
re: Is My Advertising Pays / The Advert Platform A Scam or Ponzi?
More GRANDIOSE claims....
Maps 588 July 15.jpg
But some people are apparently having problems, even so....
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07-14-2015, 04:57 PM
#2995
re: Is My Advertising Pays / The Advert Platform A Scam or Ponzi?
Originally Posted by
Della Cate
Question: And most of all, where is Mike Deese? We're told time and again that MAPs is is creation, so why hasn't he stepped forward to defend it in an adult manner? You know the sort of thing......some transparency about finances, accounts, auditors, advertisers etc? But from him....and the Booths....not a thing.
I believe I can answer the third question with two possible answers.
Answer One... (A MAPs Pimp might give you)
Mike Deese is busy innovating for the future of MAPs, working bloody hard
to make MAPs bigger than Google, Apple, & Facebook put together.
Answer two... (more likely I feel)
Mike is in some seedy bar drinking beer, smoking spliffs, & wearing his favorite confederate flagged hat, spending the MAPs victims cash.
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07-15-2015, 02:07 AM
#2996
re: Is My Advertising Pays / The Advert Platform A Scam or Ponzi?
Over on the MAPs Scam page (the red one, as I think of it, and thanks to that page for these snips) I've seen this:-
Maps 590 July 15.jpg
And look who is doing the complaining too! Only Joby Boughey, former pusher of UFUN, now also pushing Onecoin.........and obviously a Mapper. No surprise there. He and Claire Hartman James did a UFUN gig together (screenshots available), but when UFUN went down, she removed all pics from her FB page pretty sharpish!
And yes, the DDOS excuse is waiting in the wings.
Maps 589 July 15.jpg
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07-15-2015, 02:25 AM
#2997
re: Is My Advertising Pays / The Advert Platform A Scam or Ponzi?
Here we are then.....the ASA ruling on Simon's adverts in all its glory.
And please note, Danny boy, this was not informally resolved. It was investigated and laid before the ASA Council. So the ASA clearly took it extremely seriously.
ASA 1 July 15.jpg ASA 2 July 15.jpg ASA 3 July 15.jpg ASA 4 July 15.jpg
https://www.asa.org.uk/Rulings/Adjud...x#.VaYIN_nAROY
So, not haterz, not naysayers, but in independant body has ruled that the adverts were misleading, and, crucially, that Simon Stepsys did not provide any evidence to substantiate his claims of top earnings.
C'mon then - spin your way out of this one.
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07-15-2015, 04:28 AM
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re: Is My Advertising Pays / The Advert Platform A Scam or Ponzi?
Originally Posted by
Della Cate
Here we are then.....the ASA ruling on Simon's adverts in all its glory.
And please note, Danny boy, this was not informally resolved. It was investigated and laid before the ASA Council. So the ASA clearly took it extremely seriously.
ASA 1 July 15.jpg ASA 2 July 15.jpg ASA 3 July 15.jpg ASA 4 July 15.jpg
https://www.asa.org.uk/Rulings/Adjud...x#.VaYIN_nAROY
So, not haterz, not naysayers, but in independant body has ruled that the adverts were misleading, and, crucially, that Simon Stepsys did not provide any evidence to substantiate his claims of top earnings.
C'mon then - spin your way out of this one.
Easy, ASA got it wrong because they didn't understand the business and besides the haters bribed ASA to rule against Simon so they could continue to hate anyone who is successful in MAP's. Besides, Simon is too busy making money to worry about a little action taken by the ASA against him.
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07-15-2015, 05:14 AM
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re: Is My Advertising Pays / The Advert Platform A Scam or Ponzi?
Originally Posted by
EagleOne
Easy, ASA got it wrong because they didn't understand the business and besides the haters bribed ASA to rule against Simon so they could continue to hate anyone who is successful in MAP's. Besides, Simon is too busy making money to worry about a little action taken by the ASA against him.
Dang! I never thought of that one!
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07-15-2015, 05:32 AM
#3000
re: Is My Advertising Pays / The Advert Platform A Scam or Ponzi?
Aha! The spin begins!
DT ASA spin on FB.jpg
And here's Danny's little blog, with his view on the ASA ruling....It was just a "little telling off", and in fact the ruling VINDICATES MAPs
DT ASA spin 1.jpg DT ASa spin 2.jpg
Unbeliveable, these people are unbelievable. Eagle, you weren't so far out!
And finally, although I haven't reproduced them here, one of the comments on the blog is from our old chum, Richard Mead. He says that a "legal professional" has told him that the reason "haterz" hide their real identity is to hide their horrible secrets from the past, and he then opines that some of the haterz clearly have drug problems!!
LMFAO!!
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