Thread: Is My Advertising Pays / The Advert Platform A Scam or Ponzi?

A friend of mine wants me to join My Advertising Pays. I do not want to be rude to him, but I do want to show him some facts.

So, can you please tell me if you think MAPS is a scam or ponzi?

Then I can show this to my friend, and not hurt our friendship.

We can go one better, SpiderBear,

have a read of OzSoapbox' in depth MyAdvertisingPays Review: $49.99 Ponzi investment scheme on his well respected BehindMLM blog

Thankyou littleroundman.

Again, welcome to the site. Your quote from the other thread.

Originally Posted by SpiderBear

I have come here to educate myself about scams, as I have just been scammed in the past by Bannersbroker.

Hopefully I can learn alot from this website.

As you probably know or should know at this point Simon Stepsys was one of the first promoters of http://www.realscam.com/f8/banners-b...onzi-scam-897/, claiming to be a MILLIONAIRE. He left in 2012 right before payments to people like yourself dried up. He moved to http://www.realscam.com/f8/empower-network-1659/ again cashing in big and then moving on to MAP and who knows what else. As of today, I have 90 emails from him in my spam folder. If he is making so much money from running legitimate businesses, the right question is why all the spam?

We are not talking about serial entrepreneurs like Elon Musk or Richard Branson who employ thousands and add real value to the world. My Advertising Pays is but one more in a long list of scams promoted by "internet marketers" designed to part you from your money. Plain and simple if someone is trying to recruit you and you in turn have to recruit others, it is a scam. Not only mathematically impossible for 99% not to lose, the story is improbable. There are enough people/institutions out there will millions to invest in real deals, one can safely conclude that ANYTHING being marketed like this is bullshit.

Simon the Spammer.jpg

Let's take an excerpt from one of Simon's Emails....

CEO: Mike Deese (retired United States Air Force Veteran)

Mike has been in the trenches with Zeek, ASD, BB,
Ad Hit Profits, and many other advertising revenue sharing
companies some of which continue to thrive and some that are not.

IF THE EMAIL TELLS YOU THE CEO HAS BEEN INVOLVED IN 4 PONZI SCHEMES, WHAT ON EARTH DO YOU SUPPOSE THIS IS?

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2 view ads, (10 ads which takes 5 mins)

3 get paid daily. (up to 72 times daily)

NO ONE IS GOING TO PAY YOU ENOUGH TO LOOK AT 10 ADS TO MAKE ANY MONEY. Porn, boner bills, get rich quick, and diet products where you can eat whatever you want and still lose weight. Give me a break, what kind of model is that? Unless they plan on selling you more crap, where is the upside for them? Seriously who the hell is going to pay you to look at ads, specifically?

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Already he has corporations interested in advertising
waiting in the wings for the membership to hit a certain
threshold of 5000+ which will happen fast. (Over 63,000 members already)

So 12 viewers for every corporation, well that should be a winner.

You lost on Banners Broker, learn from it. No one is going to give you something for nothing in this world. Simon's talent lies in making you believe they will.

Originally Posted by ribshaw

Plain and simple if someone is trying to recruit you and you in turn have to recruit others, it is a scam.

That is quite a statement to make without 100% proof to back it up. MANY companies rely on people such as myself and many others to 'spread the word' about their company and products or services they offer then they pay those people for helping them!

UGH! I have an issue with people who are either uneducated or plain ignorant! It is true SOME companies are scams BUT to say "Plain and simple if someone is trying to recruit you and you in turn have to recruit others, it is a scam." is not only unfair to the companies that legitimately pay people to do this but it is also a LIE! I personally have made money from several companies by referring others or 'recruiting' as you call it! I also know many many many other people who make a wonderful living doing the same thing!

It seems to me that people come here looking for answers and the only answer they get from you blows their dreams up. I don't know personally about MAPS although I do know people making money with MAPS but are you a member? Have you ever been a member of the companies your shooting down?

Also what works for some doesn't work for others.

Have a good night!

PS for those looking for answers about something they are doing or interested in doing, educate yourself, talk to people to see what experience they have had because as I said MANY people make a living referring or recruiting others-don't go into anything without 100% understanding of what you get, what is expected in order to make money and how much you will make.

Originally Posted by crushnmama78

It seems to me that people come here looking for answers and the only answer they get from you blows their dreams up.

Another fraudApreneur melts down with claims of "dream stealing". Like most people that post here I don't want to see people get scammed by broke fucktards who lie about untold internet riches while they can't even pay their own bills.

Let's play a game I like to call "WHERE'S THE LIE"

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Originally Posted by crushnmama78

I personally have made money from several companies by referring others or 'recruiting' as you call it! I also know many many many other people who make a wonderful living doing the same thing!

I don't know personally about MAPS although I do know people making money with MAPS

as I said MANY people make a living referring or recruiting others-don't go into anything without 100% understanding of what you get, what is expected in order to make money and how much you will make.

We (my family) has no extra money (just the donated money so far) and 9 days to figure out how to come up with the money

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We (my family) has no extra money (just the donated money so far) and 9 days to figure out how to come up with the money

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I would suggest anyone who feels I have been too negative should either join your downline or send you the charity you claim to need. Either you are a great internet marketer, or you are broke, they can decide.

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Originally Posted by crushnmama78

That is quite a statement to make without 100% proof to back it up. MANY companies rely on people such as myself and many others to 'spread the word' about their company and products or services they offer then they pay those people for helping them!

It was more than just that "statement", it was a full post. http://www.realscam.com/f9/my-advert...439/#post76373

Nothing I enjoy more than randoms that show up, don't bother to read the full thread, then parrot the same nonsense we have heard from the MLM/Internet Marketing community for years.


We are not talking about you standing at the supermarket asking people if they would like to try a little piece of hot dog on a toothpick in hopes they buy a pack. We are talking about programs where the sole hope for the business to survive is new recruits and their money. The recruits are the customers, and their cash the only real product.

Wow, how these links almost rhyme with MAPS...

The telltale signs of a pyramid scheme | Consumer Information
Pyramid Schemes | Federal Trade Commission
SEC.gov | Pyramid Schemes
SEC.gov | Beware of Pyramid Schemes Posing as Multi-Level Marketing Programs

I stand by my contention if it involves recruiting recruiting recruiting then it is a scam and 99% will lose money.

Originally Posted by crushnmama78

UGH! I have an issue with people who are either uneducated or plain ignorant! It is true SOME companies are scams BUT to say "Plain and simple if someone is trying to recruit you and you in turn have to recruit others, it is a scam." is not only unfair to the companies that legitimately pay people to do this but it is also a LIE!

Says the person who is pitching a pyramid that promotes other pyramids. Cool your engines long enough to look at the part where the world runs out of people.


Not Enough People in the World for this to Work.JPG

http://www.realscam.com/f9/online-wealth-matrix-2946/

THREE TWO MENTORING SPOTS LEFT ACT NOW!!

Originally Posted by crushnmama78

Have you ever been a member of the companies your shooting down?

No, and I never worked for Enron, Worldcom, or Healthsouth. The better question after two years of posting here is if I have an eye for spotting scams and an understanding of money.

Originally Posted by crushnmama78

Also what works for some doesn't work for others.

TWO ONE MENTORING SPOT LEFT ACT NOW!

Originally Posted by ribshaw

THREE MENTORING SPOTS LEFT ACT NOW!!!

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It was more than just that "statement", it was a full post. http://www.realscam.com/f9/my-advert...439/#post76373

Nothing I enjoy more than randoms that show up, don't bother to read the full thread, then parrot the same nonsense we have heard from the MLM/Internet Marketing community for years.


We are not talking about you standing at the supermarket asking people if they would like to try a little piece of hot dog on a toothpick in hopes they buy a pack. We are talking about programs where the sole hope for the business to survive is new recruits and their money. The recruits are the customers, and their cash the only real product.

Wow, how these links almost rhyme with MAPS...

The telltale signs of a pyramid scheme | Consumer Information
Pyramid Schemes | Federal Trade Commission
SEC.gov | Pyramid Schemes
SEC.gov | Beware of Pyramid Schemes Posing as Multi-Level Marketing Programs

I stand by my contention if it involves recruiting recruiting recruiting then it is a scam and 99% will lose money.




Says the person who is pitching a pyramid that promotes other pyramids. Cool your engines long enough to look at the part where the world runs out of people.


Not Enough People in the World for this to Work.JPG

http://www.realscam.com/f9/online-wealth-matrix-2946/

THREE TWO MENTORING SPOTS LEFT ACT NOW!!






No, and I never worked for Enron, Worldcom, or Healthsouth. The better question after two years of posting here is if I have an eye for spotting scams and an understanding of money.




TWO ONE MENTORING SPOT LEFT ACT NOW!

Jeez - correct me if I'm wrong but that video depicts the ULTIMATE Ponzi!

SMH!

Unbelievable!

Originally Posted by ribshaw

Again, welcome to the site. Your quote from the other thread.



As you probably know or should know at this point Simon Stepsys was one of the first promoters of http://www.realscam.com/f8/banners-b...onzi-scam-897/, claiming to be a MILLIONAIRE. He left in 2012 right before payments to people like yourself dried up. He moved to http://www.realscam.com/f8/empower-network-1659/ again cashing in big and then moving on to MAP and who knows what else. As of today, I have 90 emails from him in my spam folder. If he is making so much money from running legitimate businesses, the right question is why all the spam?

We are not talking about serial entrepreneurs like Elon Musk or Richard Branson who employ thousands and add real value to the world. My Advertising Pays is but one more in a long list of scams promoted by "internet marketers" designed to part you from your money. Plain and simple if someone is trying to recruit you and you in turn have to recruit others, it is a scam. Not only mathematically impossible for 99% not to lose, the story is improbable. There are enough people/institutions out there will millions to invest in real deals, one can safely conclude that ANYTHING being marketed like this is bullshit.

Simon the Spammer.jpg

Let's take an excerpt from one of Simon's Emails....

CEO: Mike Deese (retired United States Air Force Veteran)

Mike has been in the trenches with Zeek, ASD, BB,
Ad Hit Profits, and many other advertising revenue sharing
companies some of which continue to thrive and some that are not.

IF THE EMAIL TELLS YOU THE CEO HAS BEEN INVOLVED IN 4 PONZI SCHEMES, WHAT ON EARTH DO YOU SUPPOSE THIS IS?

===============================================


2 view ads, (10 ads which takes 5 mins)

3 get paid daily. (up to 72 times daily)

NO ONE IS GOING TO PAY YOU ENOUGH TO LOOK AT 10 ADS TO MAKE ANY MONEY. Porn, boner bills, get rich quick, and diet products where you can eat whatever you want and still lose weight. Give me a break, what kind of model is that? Unless they plan on selling you more crap, where is the upside for them? Seriously who the hell is going to pay you to look at ads, specifically?

===============================================

Already he has corporations interested in advertising
waiting in the wings for the membership to hit a certain
threshold of 5000+ which will happen fast. (Over 63,000 members already)

So 12 viewers for every corporation, well that should be a winner.

You lost on Banners Broker, learn from it. No one is going to give you something for nothing in this world. Simon's talent lies in making you believe they will.

Any reason nobody has brought a criminal complaint against this guy? It is an obvious fraud and ribshaw nailed it perfectly. It seems Simon just moves from one fraud to another.

Ribshaw, thank you for the posting above.

I have seen that the vile Stepsys is now promotinbg MAPS madly, but I couldn't get a handle on what it actually was. I have a bit more idea now.

But wait! What is this from the "Simon Stepsys MAPS Success FB Group" (or whatever it is actually called)? Yes, they are having "technical issues" but an announcement will be made in due course......

MAPS Oct 14.jpg

Reminds me so much of Banners Broker, what with comments about MAPS being a "baby" in the online world, the programming team working to solve the "problem" etc etc. I wonder if it will go the same way?

Originally Posted by Della Cate

Reminds me so much of Banners Broker, what with comments about MAPS being a "baby" in the online world, the programming team working to solve the "problem" etc etc. I wonder if it will go the same way?

Sounds like MAPS is already swirling the bowl. Richard Arblaster was so wrong about Banners Broker now this? At least all he has to do is tear the cover off the BB excuse manual and the sheep should be good for about two years worth of shearing.

"growing pains"
"carry on promoting"
"Sales are still being made, you just can't have any of your share right now"
"Server Capacity"
"We can still take deposits" Just kidding, I made that part up based on Simon's spam to me today which curiously fails to mention not being able to pay people.

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"Rest assured Chris Smith er I mean Mike Deese is furiously working with his programers to master the sending part of wire transfers."

"You won't lose if you stay positive"

Sound like the excuse train is leaving the station.

Simon Septic had a a MAPS sign up event in London hotel on saturday. One last $ grab/sucker hunt till he moves on.

Originally Posted by Della Cate

Ribshaw, thank you for the posting above.

I have seen that the vile Stepsys is now promotinbg MAPS madly, but I couldn't get a handle on what it actually was. I have a bit more idea now.

But wait! What is this from the "Simon Stepsys MAPS Success FB Group" (or whatever it is actually called)? Yes, they are having "technical issues" but an announcement will be made in due course......

MAPS Oct 14.jpg

Reminds me so much of Banners Broker, what with comments about MAPS being a "baby" in the online world, the programming team working to solve the "problem" etc etc. I wonder if it will go the same way?

arblaster was in banners broker too.

Originally Posted by Whip

arblaster was in banners broker too.

How can I put this without being nasty? I have the distinct impression that he is not the sharpest knife in the cutlery drawer......

Originally Posted by Della Cate

How can I put this without being nasty? I have the distinct impression that he is not the sharpest knife in the cutlery drawer......

Based on looks....you would guess developmental issues. Dont believe that is the case.
Moneygames are his side bz, he makes good $ off his traffic exchange related businesses. Autoreponders, upgrades, etc.

Now what is truly shocking is that this is not being promoted on the two biggest Ponzi boards going, so no wonder it is in trouble already. Even the Ponzi pimp king Ken Russo can't help save this one. Another in a long line of Ken's failed programs, but at least he is one of the first to call it a Ponzi! Yep he actually said that, and the sad truth is he truly believes it. Talk about a sociopath.

Hmmm. The similarities with BB continue...........now it is problems with servers, ongoing maintenance and "don't mention the word investment"! Plus, I have started to see some of the same names from BB......

Deja vu, anyone?
Maps 2 Oct 14.jpg
Maps 3 Oct 14.jpg
Interesting how there is an emphasis on recuiting too, isn't it?

Yup. Going the way of BB alright.....

Maps 4 Oct 14.jpg

Simon's Webinar? Anyone with 1/2 a brain will run screaming 10 seconds in... .He comes across as so scammish and cheezy.

So, right, with MAPS you have to look at 10 ads a day (for 10 seconds each time), and from that you make money?

Oh, that and buying "credit packs" of course. And clearly from recruiting others.

Based on what I have learned from BB, doesn't that make it yet another pyramid scheme or ponzi scheme? Trying to keep objective here, but I cannot see how looking at 10 ads a day can make you any money. If you do make money from this, it can only be fractions of a penny per time. It looks to me that this is pretendy work to try to cover the fact that the heart of the scheme is credit packs and recruiting.

I'm not convinced. And the main reason I woulod never join can be summed up in two words: Simon Stepsys.

Originally Posted by Della Cate

So, right, with MAPS you have to look at 10 ads a day (for 10 seconds each time), and from that you make money?

Oh, that and buying "credit packs" of course. And clearly from recruiting others.

Based on what I have learned from BB, doesn't that make it yet another pyramid scheme or ponzi scheme? Trying to keep objective here, but I cannot see how looking at 10 ads a day can make you any money. If you do make money from this, it can only be fractions of a penny per time. It looks to me that this is pretendy work to try to cover the fact that the heart of the scheme is credit packs and recruiting.

I'm not convinced. And the main reason I woulod never join can be summed up in two words: Simon Stepsys.

It's exactly what Ad Surf Daily (ASD) was.

Originally Posted by Whip

It's exactly what Ad Surf Daily (ASD) was.

Oh, right. I have heard of ASD, but know almost nothing about it. I assume it does not exist any more?

Leading on from this, I have had my calculator out. Now, it seems to me that MAPS urges people to work up to 1200 credit packs.

1200 credit packs at $50 each would cost $60,000. The promise is that each pack costing $50 "matures" so that you get $60 back. So if you had 1200 packs you would have spent $60,000 to get $72,000 back.

That is an awful lot of money, both to spend out in the first place and then to return. However, you only need 100 people giving you $60,000 and you have got $6million. But none of it seems sustainable to me.

I don't think they will get many people putting that amount of money in (at least I hope not!), but they certainly have had some people buying 100 packs at a time at a cost of $5000. It's not hard to see how the money rolls in. And it's not hard to see why people like the repulsive Stepsys push it so hard and push people to buy as many packs as they can.

Looking at the amount of money Banners Broker pulled in - well, many millions - its also easy to see why people start these schemes. The whole thing makes me feel quite sick.

Originally Posted by Della Cate

doesn't that make it yet another pyramid scheme or ponzi scheme?

That makes it yet another pyramid AND ponzi scheme

In the current HYIP climate, the two are not mutually exclusive.

For the HYIP ponzi "industry" Pyramid / ponzi combos are the strategy du jour

This has been posted on the Simon Stepsys MAPS FB group. It reminds me of something (especially the bit about being patient) but I cannot think quite what.....



I feel the need to drop by & explain to all members, who are wondering why MAP profit-share earnings have paused for some of you!

This is most especially to our New members!

Our server has once again maxed out due to MAPs growth. Thousands upon thousands of lines of data are processed every 20 minutes. We have been working on it in the background for the last two weeks, with test periods in between the tweaks. This has resulted in less-than-expected results from our payouts.

We have gotten it to where it's paying more correctly, however we still have work to do. We are evaluating now to determine how much memory and processing power we need to add to our current set-up in order to more efficiently process this immense amount of data.

We are implementing a plan put together by multiple programmers over the next week. Never has their been a site processing so many records every 20 minutes except possibly eBay!

You will see improvement soon. In the meantime please, be patient. Your credit packs will always mature at $60.

Because we had to reboot the server, the timer is not working correctly at the moment. That will be restored later. Please, just view your 10 ads when the bar is still green.

Your patience is much appreciated!

Ah yes, I remember! It reminds me of Banner Broker when it stopped paying people.

I found this an interesting read:

My Advertising Pays review: the Ponzi scheme you've been looking for - Work At Home Rebel