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01-03-2017, 01:49 PM
#7426
re: Is My Advertising Pays / The Advert Platform A Scam or Ponzi?
Originally Posted by
surfer
Yay for that, although the inevitable was already well under way before this. Unfortunately, you'll never know how many of that group Turner and any of his followers are now silently "helping" to find their way to a MAP alternative.
There's also the other alias' still in the scam as far as it's known.
what proof is there that he pulled those?
he's only voicing against the scam because he didn't get what he thought he should get - not because it's a scam.
Haven't lost any money to online scams.......results are typical.
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01-03-2017, 03:27 PM
#7427
re: Is My Advertising Pays / The Advert Platform A Scam or Ponzi?
VX Gateway aren't hanging around. This must rank as the fastest Liquidation in history...vx liquid final date.jpg
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01-03-2017, 04:23 PM
#7428
re: Is My Advertising Pays / The Advert Platform A Scam or Ponzi?
by virtue of the MAP/TAP scam model, money laundering regulations must be invoked.
Haven't lost any money to online scams.......results are typical.
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01-03-2017, 09:10 PM
#7429
re: Is My Advertising Pays / The Advert Platform A Scam or Ponzi?
Originally Posted by
bellend
BTW Tara or the map scam page admin will never join this group, that would make her 2nd in command and also go against her principles of engaging with past scammers in a positive way
There's no proof Danny is a past scammer.
I know one very vocal person in Tara's circle that told me they were denied access to the group. It would seem Tara isn't the only one that hasn't buried the hatchet. I think you are also too easily dismissing the things you haven't experienced behind the scenes from Tara's perspective.
In some variation of what Don said lies for me the worth of the group. Others like Tara don't see it that that way, fair enough she's been preaching since long before these recent converts got religion.
Originally Posted by
dondraper
I think Eagle it the nail on the head when he said that having a former big voice in MAP turning makes way more impact than any of us “haters” saying it. Seeing once Kool-Aid drinking Mappers turning on the Booths and Stepsys feels like there is real dissent amongst the MAP/TAP community.
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01-03-2017, 09:26 PM
#7430
re: Is My Advertising Pays / The Advert Platform A Scam or Ponzi?
Without needing to get into the whole personality thing, IM(very)HO, while well intentioned, the group is pushing the proverbial uphill with it's current focus.
Civil action is slow and expensive and faces huge jurisdictional issues.
No matter how much "evidence" is gathered, it's useless if it can't be put in front of a court or judge.
Again, IM(very)HO, they need to focus their efforts on bombarding those who DO have influence and CAN do something effective.
This is a group of people who were prepared to "click on ten ads a day" every day
If everyone involved used an equal amount of time and enthusiasm to continually contact Action Fraud, the SEC, the media and politicians etc, THAT would be a game changer.
Get them involved, THEN present any evidence you have gathered, is the way to go.
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing
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01-04-2017, 12:14 AM
#7431
re: Is My Advertising Pays / The Advert Platform A Scam or Ponzi?
Spamming social media will be extremely short lived...
Simon_Stepsys.jpg
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01-04-2017, 01:10 AM
#7432
re: Is My Advertising Pays / The Advert Platform A Scam or Ponzi?
Originally Posted by
Bestbud
But stepsys said its a game changer...
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01-04-2017, 01:23 AM
#7433
re: Is My Advertising Pays / The Advert Platform A Scam or Ponzi?
Originally Posted by
nerd
But stepsys said its a game changer...
It is,
The main problem with it is, while Septic Simon Stepsys, Mad Mike Deese, the Booths and other insiders are playing the "steal as much as you can" game, the members are playing the "donate as much as you can to the leaders" game
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing
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01-04-2017, 01:34 AM
#7434
re: Is My Advertising Pays / The Advert Platform A Scam or Ponzi?
Originally Posted by
littleroundman
Without needing to get into the whole personality thing, IM(very)HO, while well intentioned, the group is pushing the proverbial uphill with it's current focus.
Civil action is slow and expensive and faces huge jurisdictional issues.
No matter how much "evidence" is gathered, it's useless if it can't be put in front of a court or judge.
Again, IM(very)HO, they need to focus their efforts on bombarding those who DO have influence and CAN do something effective.
This is a group of people who were prepared to "click on ten ads a day" every day
If everyone involved used an equal amount of time and enthusiasm to continually contact Action Fraud, the SEC, the media and politicians etc, THAT would be a game changer.
Get them involved, THEN present any evidence you have gathered, is the way to go.
The owner of the The Advert Platform/My Advertising Pays Scam Facebook page (which isn't me, I'm second-in-command) has worked tirelessly over the last two years laying the foundations and doing the donkey work in getting 'My Advertising Pays' known to the authorites. This person is beyond amazing. We have pushed Action Fraud over and over and over again, because we know, quite simply, that if enough people complain, in large enough numbers, then something WILL be done. Whether people who push these schemes as a lifestyle choice (and continue to do so) will want to volunteer their names and details to the police remains to be seen. But I sincerely hope they do.
The Cheshire Police have opened an investigation already into MAPS. A letter from them was posted on our page, by an affiliate, many weeks ago and we have every reason to believe its real. And we're hoping, that once Traffic Monsoon has finally been given a court date, that the SEC will use all the information it has on MAP already, to close down Mikes activities as well.
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01-04-2017, 01:58 AM
#7435
re: Is My Advertising Pays / The Advert Platform A Scam or Ponzi?
Originally Posted by
HARRISON
. We have pushed Action Fraud over and over and over again, because we know, quite simply, that if enough people complain, in large enough numbers, then something WILL be done.
EXACTLY !!
I find it amusing that people are prepared to click ten ads a day, but can't see the value of filling in ten Action Fraud complaints or sending ten emails to politicians a WEEK.
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing
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01-04-2017, 02:47 AM
#7436
re: Is My Advertising Pays / The Advert Platform A Scam or Ponzi?
The bottom is dropping out of this one so fast, we had to take precautionary steps to protect readers' screens.
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing
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01-04-2017, 06:53 AM
#7437
re: Is My Advertising Pays / The Advert Platform A Scam or Ponzi?
simon.mcmate.me
If anyone needed an extra incentive to contact Action Fraud, the SEC, their local politician and anyone else they can think of, then surely having their nose rubbed in it by Septic Simon Stepsys would do it.
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing
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01-04-2017, 07:13 AM
#7438
re: Is My Advertising Pays / The Advert Platform A Scam or Ponzi?
Originally Posted by
HARRISON
The owner of the The Advert Platform/My Advertising Pays Scam Facebook page (which isn't me, I'm second-in-command) has worked tirelessly over the last two years laying the foundations and doing the donkey work in getting 'My Advertising Pays' known to the authorites. This person is beyond amazing. We have pushed Action Fraud over and over and over again, because we know, quite simply, that if enough people complain, in large enough numbers, then something WILL be done. Whether people who push these schemes as a lifestyle choice (and continue to do so) will want to volunteer their names and details to the police remains to be seen. But I sincerely hope they do.
The Cheshire Police have opened an investigation already into MAPS. A letter from them was posted on our page, by an affiliate, many weeks ago and we have every reason to believe its real. And we're hoping, that once Traffic Monsoon has finally been given a court date, that the SEC will use all the information it has on MAP already, to close down Mikes activities as well.
The owner/"second-in-command" of the The Advert Platform/My Advertising Pays Scam Facebook page has banned people who are anti-MAP/TAP and who contribute significantly to it's downfall with no reason given. There are many people who have worked tirelessly over the past two years doing donkey work to bring this scam to a halt.
I have met personally with the Deputy Director of the National Fraud Investigation Bureau to discuss MAP and they have no idea what it is all about. Cheshire Police are aware of MAP, but they are looking solely at Simon Stepsys, who is no more MAP than he was Banners Broker - they are looking in the wrong place.
I have no desire to bicker with anyone here. I think that RS posters are all very bright, intelligent people that really genuinely care about closing scams and preventing mass scale fraud which always inevetibly leads to people losing homes, marriages and in some cases lives - this is the reality. However, what is also true, is that many people that post here are seasoned anti-scammers, and as such are now almost hard wired to see anyone doing video's and social media posts pushing these Ponzi's as scammers. Many aren't scammers, they are just so far into the delusion and addicted to the numbers on a screen, and there withdrawals that they can't let go.
IMHO, the only true scammer outside of Deese, Booths, Ghobril is Stepsys. Some are Ponzi pimps who jump from one Ponzi to another playing the game. Others are just swept away with the adrenaline and dreams, and then you have the cannon fodder fools who are just naive and lonely and want to belong to a community that accepts them. When someone like Danny Turner starts opening his eyes, and then his mouth, we know we can affect change. Yes, MAP/TAP is in it's winter months now, but there still hangs a huge question mark as to whether it goes out with the admins of the scam laundering the money and living a life of Riley untouched by the authorities or whether it with them facing the law and having to deal with the relevant fraud charges. The momentum of Danny's group, and the turning of grassroots former MAPpers can only help be part of helping ensure there are enough Action Fraud complaints to start a real investigation and seizing assets.
One of the problems facing Action Fraud is that often the complaint makes no sense to them - it's not a coherent complaint.
By joining in on Danny's group and helping to steer the chorus of discontent in the right direction, you can only help. Some here need to put their ego's to one side and come together to drive the action that we all desire.
*steps of soapbox
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01-04-2017, 10:35 AM
#7439
re: Is My Advertising Pays / The Advert Platform A Scam or Ponzi?
Originally Posted by
dondraper
However, what is also true, is that many people that post here are seasoned anti-scammers, and as such are now almost hard wired to see anyone doing video's and social media posts pushing these Ponzi's as scammers
Perhaps some people can accurately pick the scammers from the non scammers and the pretend non scammers.
Others realize it makes no difference.
Scammer, player, innocent dupe - the end result is the same, people are defrauded.
In fact an "enthusiastic amateur" can do more damage in terms of giving legitimacy to what would otherwise be dismissed as being "too good to be true"
They are an essential part of turning a HYIP ponzi scheme from "just another money game" into a multi million dollar "next-big-thing" such as MAP.
Trust is not a right, it has to be earned.
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01-04-2017, 11:16 AM
#7440
re: Is My Advertising Pays / The Advert Platform A Scam or Ponzi?
LRM, I concur mostly with you. It's shades of grey rather than black or white. But in this case, we don't need to trust any individual... trust them with what/for what?
It's a case of a former Mapper trying to bring down MAP by creating a groundswell to rise up and report. Where is the trust needed? People like us can just get in there and do what we need to do as there is a platform to do it. Who started the group is neither here nor there, and requires no intellectualisation. There is an audience of over 1300 people in there, some have made up their mind about MAP and others haven't - by bringing weight to the argument can only help.
What do we do here or on the scam pages on Facebook? Collect evidence and report on hearsay.... The Kool-Aid drinking masses have already been warned off going to these scam pages so there's no conversion to do. Speaking up on an open page where our comments aren't deleted is an opportunity to grab.
Having met with the NFIB I see how slow they are to grasp these 'new' style Ponzi's. Seriously, I walked away from my meeting deflated and disappointed.
We can sit here in our holier-than-though places and sneer at the Ponzi pimps and talk about they need to earn our trust, or we can get stuck in to groups like Danny's and make a difference. Time is not on our side.
I like the majority of the posters here (with knowing a few IRL), but to affect change means taking these risks. This thread is now at 298 pages and what have we collectively achieved? MAP has shut and rebooted twice already, and now relaunched for a third time. We need to try things we haven't done before if we want to make the difference.
Simon Stepsys is right about one thing, it does require taking "massive action".
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01-04-2017, 01:47 PM
#7441
re: Is My Advertising Pays / The Advert Platform A Scam or Ponzi?
As we can all see, TAPs is off to a flying start!
Maps 3 Jan 17.jpg
Yay! Go, team!
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01-04-2017, 01:52 PM
#7442
re: Is My Advertising Pays / The Advert Platform A Scam or Ponzi?
We should be aware of a new group.....
TAPs 1 Jan 17.jpg
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1720...5/?pnref=story
Get over there and get all the latest news!!
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01-04-2017, 04:35 PM
#7443
re: Is My Advertising Pays / The Advert Platform A Scam or Ponzi?
I'm pleased to see that some of my old favourites are tippety-Tapping away.....
Taps 2 Jan 17.jpg Taps 3 Jan 17.jpg
And form an orderly queue for an unbeatable offer from Gary "Thirsty" Strong....
Taps 5 Jan 17.jpg
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01-04-2017, 05:02 PM
#7444
re: Is My Advertising Pays / The Advert Platform A Scam or Ponzi?
Originally Posted by
dondraper
Having met with the NFIB I see how slow they are to grasp these 'new' style Ponzi's. Seriously, I walked away from my meeting deflated and disappointed.
I feel your pain. Over a year ago I complained to some NZ agencies. They told me that MAP didnt look like is would be considered a scam under NZ law and they told me to stop contacting them about it. Sometime later I made a complaint at my work about a colleague that was promoting MAP. They opened a formal investigation, which consisted of the them contacting the same agency I did, being told there was no proof it was a scam, and that was it. Case closed and he was free to continue defrauding people with no repercussions or accountability.
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01-04-2017, 10:17 PM
#7445
re: Is My Advertising Pays / The Advert Platform A Scam or Ponzi?
TAP investors will be spamming their Facebook personal profiles with other people's Ponzi scheme ads along with their own. Plan on seeing a lot of TAPpers go missing in action when Facebook deletes them as users...
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01-05-2017, 02:47 PM
#7446
re: Is My Advertising Pays / The Advert Platform A Scam or Ponzi?
It's all kicking off on the MAPS Members United FB group............which has just become a PUBLIC group.
Some of the postings are fairly scorching, to say the least. And I've only read the first few.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/mapm...=br_tf&qsefr=1
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01-05-2017, 03:18 PM
#7447
re: Is My Advertising Pays / The Advert Platform A Scam or Ponzi?
Originally Posted by
Della Cate
Oh? Do tell?
*rubs hands
"UNITED WE SCAM, DIVIDED WE FAIL" more like@their slogan.
Props straight away though to DT purely for calling out The Gerbil on his continued Ponzi nonsense. I'd be willing to bet that if a few members saw some if not all of that now infamous video of ex-Banners Broker affiliate, Mark Davella, gatecrashing Gerbil's ratty little recruitment meeting that time, that they'd soon realise what a pathetic little grubby grouse he is.
And at the risk of facing the ban gavel from our Eagle.... it's that time of the week where I offend at least someone's sensibilities in.......
3...........
2...........
mark ghobril mexican midget baby.jpg
..........WON!
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01-05-2017, 03:39 PM
#7448
re: Is My Advertising Pays / The Advert Platform A Scam or Ponzi?
Originally Posted by
Della Cate
All of them are utter planks, 'oh ive been conned in something before by a set of tossers, so ill join them and get scammed again!'. Some **** scarily thickos about, and thats why that vermin stepsy and the other half wits can carry on. Stepsys wants shooting he really does. Stepsys, all booths, deese, line them up, bang bang gone. But i like said before, how anyone has not given anyone of these a good beating is beyond me, and i dont condone violence, but id pay to see someone do them scum over!
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01-05-2017, 03:55 PM
#7449
re: Is My Advertising Pays / The Advert Platform A Scam or Ponzi?
Originally Posted by
ribshaw
There's no proof Danny is a past scammer.
I know one very vocal person in Tara's circle that told me they were denied access to the group. It would seem Tara isn't the only one that hasn't buried the hatchet. I think you are also too easily dismissing the things you haven't experienced behind the scenes from Tara's perspective.
What's the story with this guy? I read, on Tara Talks, that he used the name Doede Khan and for me people using two names are generally sketchy. I know the info will be in this thread but the search facility on here isn't the best.
"An admin turned off commenting for this post."
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01-05-2017, 05:13 PM
#7450
re: Is My Advertising Pays / The Advert Platform A Scam or Ponzi?
Originally Posted by
JackTolerance
Oh? Do tell?
*rubs hands
"UNITED WE SCAM, DIVIDED WE FAIL" more like@their slogan.
..........WON!
Well, here's a few snippets to be going on with, Jack.
MMU 1 Jan 17.jpg MMU 2 Jan 17.jpg MMU 3 Jan 17.jpg
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