If you are pimping it, that's all I need to know. Out and out scam.Originally Posted by strosdegoz
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If you are pimping it, that's all I need to know. Out and out scam.
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Robert Corriveau,
Nice to see you coming over here to try to justify Fortune 2 x 2 as a real legitimate business. It's not the kind of thing that real businesses usually do, because they are just that - real businesses, but there you go.
Your comment
would be amusing, if it wasnt for the fact that you are charging people real money for your (IMHO) valueless product.Answer: yes the company is founded by me (Robert Corriveau) As for the members involved I cannot stop anyone from joining and second if you have been in this industry for anytime there are always going to be things said about people that just are not true. I’m not condoning companies running a scam, as a matter of fact I would love to help shut them down. But sometimes people get involved with the company not knowing this. Then the people they bring into the company get hurt and of course they blame their upline when the real blame needs to be on the company.
After 35 years as a small business owner, I can assure you that you can stop people from joining a business, selling your product and using your business name if you wish to.
No prudent business owner permits association for long with anyone who will drag their name into disrepute or misrepresent the business. When that happens in the real business world, there is usually a parting of the ways. The "industry" where this simple business rule does not apply is, of course, the "network marketing business". Here the ends justify the means and business owners dont seem to give a d*mn if their members/salesmen/independent business operators invent a whole history of falsehoods in the name of the business to make a buck. To h*ll with reputation or offering value for money, lets just get em in, paid up and recruit recruit recruit.
Your innocent protests about your seeming helplessness to control who represents your business and how they do it are not going to convince anyone who has ever been in business for more than 5 minutes. By using a little common sense, we can only assume that you are perfectly aware of what is going on with Fortune 2 x 2 and who is promoting it and where.
As far as Paypal is concerned, you will find that you can buy certain real products sold by MLMs, but not the many nebulous eproducts pumped by network marketers. In fact you are probably safer with them than the Bank of America. lol They froze the ASD account shortly after it was opened, whilst BoA continued processing payments for ASD until the Secret Service raided.
Nice try, but so far you have not addressed the questions asked of you, but have simply bluffed your way through it by making non-answers
If you are going to use the charities card, I hope you have your ducks in a row and have all the suitable registrations and permissions to use their names.through FortuneDWB we are going to be able to help thousands of people around the world better their lives with the charities we are working with.
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LOL
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That's your response, Dirson, dear? I guess that's all we can expect from a 23 year old 3rd rate con man with no education or desire to get one apparently, from a third world country, who is involved with and pimps several scams all over the net. Let us know in five years how your activites have worked out for you and what kind of life you have. At least you have plenty of rum down there to dull your senses with. You'll need to soon enough.
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I thought this was pretty damn funny: "Amount of hours spent on the MMG forums daily?: 6-12 Hours". Posts: 13,029 posts (7.05 per day)
Joined: 5-March 06 Last Seen: Today, 03:00 PM
Obviously, you have no job either. lmao BTW, how's Club Hysteria working out for you, and your "do nothing make big money" plan, sonny? You make enough money by scamming others, to buy a bicycle yet? How are your worthless Ebooks going? Just how many ponzies and HYIPs are you in now? I gave up counting.
http://www.apsense.com/abc/strosdegoz
http://blog.donothingmoney.com/
Last edited by A Life Aloft; 03-26-2011 at 07:22 PM.
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So you can in and loose all of your savings in a HYIP!!! You don't see any of the flags when your money was in the game.
So now you lost all of your savings and decide to promote the crappy Millionaire Cycler and cry around every forum screaming scam, lol.
You should have seen the blue, green, yellow and red flags when your money was in it, ROFL.
And Millionaire Cycler is the exact same thing you complain all around, so why promote it?
That's the evidence that all you say is just trying to get people to join you on that crappy program.
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24 Years old my friend
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Yup, I do not work at McDonalds like you and make way more :D :P
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Son! You should get off of whatever you are on. Sorry LA but he doesn't rate 3rd rate con man, more like Oh, I don't know? How far down does Pimp go?
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Man, this little worm is a huge serial scammer and a little ponzi pimp Queen! lmao He's Manola over on Talk Gold Join Date 08-05-2006 Total Posts 1,045. He also promotes Zubie!
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LOL, I know who he is, Every time he posts a "I got paid and how much, I send that post to these people. I just hope they do "clawback" when they take him down.
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As if anyone would bother going after such a small time shill.
Better to keep him posting his nonsense on forums such as this so people can get a much clearer picture of what Manolo/Strosdegoz/Dirson is REALLY like
(HINT: he ain't no literary or financial genius)
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing
fled troglodyte invasion
Cripes, I keep learning about scammers constantly. Who the hell can keep up with them all? lol This guy has been at this for a few years now apparently and started hawking scams when he was just a teenager! His parents must be so proud. He's hanging around on the net with several other well know scammers (I am just seeing), some of which I recognize/know about and some not so much. It's more than a full time job just trying to keep up with the likes of these douchebag lowlife swindlers, let alone all the thousands of the phony flim flams.
One of many things that they seem to have in common though, are asinine, unintelligent posts, deflecting and nevering answering any direct questions or respondingand addressing the facts and issues. Most of them have no ability whatsoever to even begin to defend their actions and schemes. They do seem to enjoy the hell out of the emoticons though.
Last edited by A Life Aloft; 03-26-2011 at 08:45 PM.
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I can imagine young Stros running around his bedroom hi fiving himself and yelling out
"mum, mum, I'm on the internet, I'm famous"
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing
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Oh, he has some friends who support him named 10pucksup, omar, dittoteam, lerdbottom, and few others that bottom feed.
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FRIENDS ??????
You Americans really ARE strange if that's what you consider to be "friends"
As for "support" FAWGEDDABOWDIT
That bunch would rip off their own grandmothers and smile while they did it.
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing
fled troglodyte invasion
24! Well that makes all the damn difference in the world then, sonny! Happy Birthday, dear! 24 years old now and what exactly do you have to show for your 24 years on this planet thus far? A college education? Nope. A career? Nope. A job? Nope. Still living at home with Mommy? Yeppers. At least I was spot on with the rest of my assessment of your pathetic hapless resume.
I love it when a scammer is scammed by one of his fellow scammers though. What goes around always eventually comes around.
CashX Payment Processor written by strosdegoz
I see you whining like a girl all over the net about scams you dumped your money into and then got ripped off! Karma is a real bitch isn't it?
From MMG where he is promoting yet another scam (they seem to be endless with this little weasel) in response to some mark who invested in it: "Hey thanks alot!!!
When you want your 20 cents, pm me, or post here." 20 whole cents! Move over Bill Gates!!!!
One poster wasn't too pleased though: "joined since yesterday,sent pm with egold details to stros, still not paid ,where is stros?"
Cripes, what a bunch of pathetic losers. It's pretty bad when a Mod on MMG steps in and closes the thread! I mean when does that ever happen on that cesspool? LMAO
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I imagine it will be another one of his marvelous, insightful You Tube videos, real soon! ROTFL!
Wonder how many millions he made in Trivita.......I guess enough to buy a new tee shirt.
Wow!! What a classy bunch! Love the big pewter star earing!!! That just screams good taste and success!! lol
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Gee, that was witty. Let's compare bank accounts then. Post a photocopy of your current bank statement, sweetie. You're all talk, hype, lies, phony b.s. and no cojones. You make all kinds of bullshit bogus claims all over the net. Let's see the proof. I am pretty damn certain that I made more money in the last 24 hours than you have in a year of trying to promote scams and attempting to steal from others and rip them off, sonny. And, I earned it legally and honestly; something you would know nothing about and have no experience in.
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I just KNEW I'd seen that Manolo guy and his compadres somewhere before:
It was seeing the guy in the formal attire singlet who threw me off.
Heyyy, Manolo, joo wun smart hombre
where you keepa deez brainzzz"
"Iss eezi, onder my sombrero"
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Sorry for off topic but I must ask....
Trivita is a scam??....Just wondering since they doing a big launch here in Aus complete with infomercial and big dinners and promotions in major cities...
ʎɐqǝ uo pɹɐoqʎǝʞ ɐ ʎnq ı ǝɯıʇ ʇsɐן ǝɥʇ sı sıɥʇ
fled troglodyte invasion
Huge scam, typical MLM. Over priced vitamins and various supplements with b.s. health claims. They have no actual medical studies on even one of their products to back up their outrageous claims, only "testimonials". Oh and they throw in the Christian aspect to sucker that group in as well.
TRIVITA Scam Review | Affiliate Trivita.com
Posted on 23 November 2010
"I was asked to evaluate Trivita’s Affiliate Program so here we go …
The following information is from the affiliate member sales pdf.
Trivita has two affiliate structures
1. Afilliate – your basic multi level marketing mlm structure.
2. Co-op advertising – purchasing the right to make affiliate commissions off a customer who has already made a purchase from trivita.
So let’s see what we can learn.
Affiliate payout structure is mlm …Plainly!!!
In the affiliate pdf it clearly lays out an mlm structure. It refers to “tiers 1 through 7.” any time you see the word “tier” please just stop considering the “opportunity”. Mlms have one of the worst time investment to profit ratio possible.
Co-op advertising (from the Q and A section of the pdf) and my responses.
The co-op advertising program is an option for affiliate members to expand their customer base and contacts in an effort to grow their business. The program allows affiliate members to acquire these contacts for the current going rate, …
they don’t tell you what the going rate is but my research shows it to be about $50 per customer.
…Which is based on the volume of response generated by trivita corporate advertisements. When an affiliate Member acquires these contacts through the co-op formatted program, they are also receiving the lifetime rights to earn compensation on the acquired contacts as long as they are an active affiliate member. …
Make sure you don’t stop being an “active affiliate member” because it sounds like you then lose your income from the customers you purchased.
…Compensation is paid and calculated through the trivita affiliate member compensation plan based on commissionable orders placed by the media contacts.…
Cool, so let’s get this straight. Some lady happens over to the trivita.com website. She listens to a video and feels moved by how the company is so much into wellness. Because they talk about the four types of welness …Spiritual, physical, emotional, financial. So she looks around to find a product to her liking. Let’s say for example “trivita joint complex” she pays $37.99 (if she’s a first time customer) or $29.99 if she has purchased previously.
So now that she is a customer of trivita, you have the opportunity to pay $50 for the rights to a percentage of her future purchases.
This gets me thinking about my spending habits. There are many websites i have only purchased one item from. So i hope this lady is not like me because that would mean whoever paid the $50 for me, just flushed all of it down the toilet. Let’s do a little calculating here so we can figure out how much more the lady has to spend for us to brake even. According to the affiliate pdf you get 30 percent of a person directly under you. So to make our $50 back she has to spend …
$50/.30=$166
So she has to spend $166 or 5.5 more bottles of the joint complex for you to get your $50 back. That’s just to break even. But wait, she didn’t just spend $166. Remember she bought her first bottle for $37.99. That’s how she became a customer. And you got no commission on that one. So to re-do the math in this example your customer has to spend a total of (166+38=204) $204 on trivita products for you to just break even.
…Affiliate members can enhance their compensation and order volume by following up with their acquired media contacts by cultivating relationships and sharing the affiliate member opportunity.
Oh no they did not just say that out loud!!
Forgive me, I had to stop and laugh for a moment.
So remember that gal that bought her first bottle of joint complex. Well guess what? For your $50 you now have the right to contact this poor woman and try to get her to join the affiliate program.
Are you serious trivita??
Some poor lady is nice enough to purchase something from your website and now you are going to allow some stranger to contact her and try to make her his affiliate?
I’ve really seen enough here. These type of business models are used by company’s because of the huge advantage to the company. Not to you!
Advice …
- please stay away from any business model that uses confusing formulas in there payout structures (like the ones in this affiliate pdf).
- the first time you hear or see the word “tiers” run for the hills.
Here’s an idea! Enter all the ingredients to trivita’s joint complex formula into google. There you will find the same exact product for about $20 plus the same shipping as trivita. Slap your own label on it and sell it for the same price as trivita does. If the same lady buys 5 of those then you just made at least $50 bucks instead of just breaking even.
Good luck out there!
PART II
It looks like I overlooked one aspect of the “Trivita Business Opportunity” as some like to call it. It turns out that the examples I gave you above are only good for the first 90 days. After the first 90 days the Trivita affiliate program knocks 20% off all of your future commissions (Actually it says it knocks it down by only 20% but then the math example they give, shows it is knocked down even more than that).
Isn’t that lovely. So here you are putting all that blood, sweat, and tears into this company for the first 90 days then bada-bing! Whammo! they reward you by reducing all your commisions, from day 91 forward, to 80% of what they previously were (or lower, as the math will show).
“Hey thanks affiliate! You’ve shown so much dedication to our company that now we are going to make it even more difficult for you to become profitable. We still love ya tho! So keep up the good work! :^)”
Let’s take another look at our example in the previous post with the co-op advertising portion of the “Trivita Business Opportunity.”
So after the 90 days are up, if we now buy one of their customers for $50, how much money does the customer have to spend in order for us to break even?
Before we calculate this, let’s read the proper new calculation on the Trivita affiliate pdf
(Http://www.Trivita.Com/web/us/media/...mber_sales.Pdf)
There are two important variables in factoring the Reward Value on your personal and total group sales. The first is the Income Accelerator Weekly Bonus. This bonus (explained below) is a 90-day bonus on all new Members and Affiliate Members. During this 90-day period the Reward Value on all product sales is calculated at 100 percent RV. For example, Nopalea has 40 VP and a single bottle sells for $40 US. During the 90-day bonus period, the RV is 100 percent so the calculation would be: $40 x 30% = $12.00.
After the 90-day period is over, the RV is lowered to 80 percent. For example, Nopalea has 40 VitaPoints but the RV on Nopalea is 80 percent of the sale price. If it is a single bottle at $40 US, you would be compensated on $32 multiplied by the particular bonus or tiered compensation. So if it was a Member on your first tier and they purchased one bottle of Nopalea, you would receive $32 x 21% = $6.72 US.
OK, so they’ve given us our new formula for after the 90 days are up. Somehow our previous 30% has been reduced to 21% from a customer who is directly under us (tier 1). So we will plug this into our previous formula to see how much that nice lady we purchased will have to spend for us to break even on our $50.
$50/.30=$166 <–that was before the 90 days. Here’s the new calculation ..
$50/.21=$238
So before she had to spend $166 in order for us to break even (that’s not counting the $37.99 she spent before we started making money off of her)
So now she has to spend $238 in order for us to break even on our $50 right? Nope, Wrong! You see the $166 was correct in our previous formula because we were getting paid commission on 100% of her purchase. But now we are getting commission on only 80% of her purchases. So she has to spend 20% more than the $238 in order for us to earn our $50 back! So let’s do this final calculation to see how much she has to spend for us to break even …
$238 x 1.20= 285.60
Let’s just say $285. Okey dokey, now we’re getting somewhere! Remember that joint complex for $30. How many more of those or something like them does she need to purchase to break even?
$285 / $30 = 9.5
Wow! Do these MLM’s use some interesting math or what? Pre 90 days our customer only had to buy 5.5 bottles for us to break even. Now she has to buy 9.5 bottles for us to break even.
Hope you found this helpful! …Please leave a comment or question."
TRIVITA Scam Review | Affiliate Trivita.com | Make Money Sense
Hopeless IamAWilly over on Scam has been in this program since the begining, promotes it all over the place, insists it's the best thing since sliced bread and then freely admits he has yet to break even, let alone see a profit. lmao We had a thread over there aout it going for some time. Pretty funny stuff.
Last edited by A Life Aloft; 03-27-2011 at 01:15 AM.
fled troglodyte invasion
Another review for you Osh:
TriVita - Is It A Scam? - LisaBarger.com
Plus, here the thread we had going with Willy boy on here til he tucked tail and ran, like all the scammers who come here eventually do:
http://www.realscam.com/f9/trivita-d...nship-god-184/
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You can learn some stuff here, for example.
Jealousy does not have limits... I don't know how and why this guy envy us / Me, so much.
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People don't be stupid... Hard not to for you guys. But if even Trivita is a Scam, in business for over 11 years then the question is only one for you guys... What program is not a scam? Simple
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