Thread: Dr. Bob (aka Robert Gube-Zitrin) fraud or guru ?

Originally Posted by JustTooMuchTime

Wasn't there some sort of MLM program associated with him?
The Trump Network Is Dead

And speaking of "Universities"...

This article is as of April 18, 2013...

Appeals Court Rejects Trump U.'s Claims Against a Student Who Sued - The Ticker - The Chronicle of Higher Education

Trump University is a new one on me. Apparently he called his network marketing training outfit a University but it has never become accredited.

Trump University.

I knew that there was an outfit that called itself a McDonalds University but it has changed it's name to Hamburger University

I doubt if any recruitment consultant would recommend a client company to employ a graduate from Trump or Hamburger University during the spring University milk round.

Originally Posted by EagleOne

So you were paying 0.8% per day or 2.4% per month. Now would you have taken out a bridge loan with Roman who would charge you 3%-5% PER DAY?

Yes, you are still innocent until proven guilty, but only when you have had criminal charges filed against you and there will be a trial to determine your guilt. Doesn't stop someone from saying a person is a crook or is running a Ponzi.

It does not stop me saying that Bob has swallowed the story of network marketing which is synonymous with the story of the Emperor's New Clothes.

There is nothing that Bob can do to dress up his online network marketing concepts to cover up his shame! The Emperor was wearing nothing at all and so is DrBob.

Roman was supposedly charging 2.5-3.5% per day. I have not taken a bridge loan in years and dont know current rates (don't need them anymore), and besides his loans were mainly in Europe (if he ever gave any).
Someone just told me that credit cards are now charging up to 30% a year. When I was a kid, that was called usury, and you were branded as a loan shark. Today it seems that it is fine to do that.

Another post said if I was a "savvy internet marketer" I would know the names of all the crooks and Ponzi's. Well maybe I am not as savvy as I thought because I do not know the names of all the crooks and schemes out there. What can I tell you. My definition is that I know how to market and get a message across to a targeted group of people.

Darn, every word I post gets torn apart.

The thing I cant understand Eagle One is why no one here see's that I am trying to be cooperative. It's very depressing.

Originally Posted by Dr. Bob

Also Ribshaw,The instructors had nothing to do with the company management, policies or anything else. Most of us had large followings and we loved what we were doing. (premiere)Wizetrade, I broadcast from my home though some sort of patch in they set up, I didnt have a clue what went on in the company other than what George occasionally told me. Dr. Bob

Yes large followings, much like Vampire Trading.

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Dr. Bob at some level you have to get to a point in your business career where you actually hold yourself accountable for something, especially if you are in a position where you are advising people what to do with their money. Yet all I have seen each time you were called on something was an excuse. It was the other guy, I didn't know, if you were 20 years old I would accept that. So you are either lying, unable to evaluate what is going on with organizations you are involved with, or just don't care. My other thought is you are really not Dr. Bob and actually a competitor, just throwing it out there as some of this stuff is just too easy to refute.

We have heard in my seminars 98% will fail, yet on Linkedin we get.

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I have told you of I am very suspicious of GURUs also claim to be successful and teaching for the heck of it. When I see a story that seems vaguely familiar.

Such as:

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And then I see:

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Finally, and this is what disappoints me the most Dr. Bob you come running to the defense of James Hicks and Premiertrade 12/1/2006

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And when I called you on it, oh I was just a teacher, was new, didn't know. Blah Blah Blah. Dr. Bob PT was the same group of crooks as Wizetrade and you were with them since 2002. Now I could have told you in 2002 that Wizetrade was ripping people off, and that you claim to not know that, and moved to basically the same company with a different name. Seriously?

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No Eagle one, we are not in empower, and empower is not illegal they have been around for years.
I do however find nothing whatsoever wrong with the empower network program.
You are making things much clearer in my head as far as your questions though. You guys are just anti-mlm/network marketing. Since that is the case, there is really nothing I can say now is there. I have actually seen people post that Amway should be illegal, that it is a scheme. You will all think what you think. You have that right.
I however, will not be leaving the multi-level marketing industry.

Originally Posted by Dr. Bob

No Eagle one, we are not in empower, and empower is not illegal they have been around for years.
I do however find nothing whatsoever wrong with the empower network program.
You are making things much clearer in my head as far as your questions though. You guys are just anti-mlm/network marketing. Since that is the case, there is really nothing I can say now is there. I have actually seen people post that Amway should be illegal, that it is a scheme. You will all think what you think. You have that right.
I however, will not be leaving the multi-level marketing industry.

You really can act clueless when it comes to Ponzi's and illegal cash gifting schemes. Just because they have been around for some time does not make them legal. PS was launched on 11/11/11 and by your claim this made them legal because they were still around in 2012. Same thing can be said for Zeek Rewards.

One thing about MLM programs is the requirement that 51% of your income must come from outside "retail" customers. DUD has zero outside "retail" customers. You only make money by signing up 4 people or more under you, and then all those under you have to signup at least 4 and the pyramid begins. Not asking you to give up MLM, but it does not change the fact DUD is a two-up illegal pyramid scheme. But I am going to let you find this out the hard way.

If the trading program you were promoting is so good, your success rate should have been above 75%, not hoping for a 10% success rate.

But the mere fact that you bought into Roman doing bridge loans tells me you have no clue how to do due diligence, but just bought all the hype. Heck, you wouldn't even have taken out a bridge loan with him at his rates, and he did say they were 3%-5% PER DAY in several of his audio calls. Anyone with an IQ above room temperature would have known this was a Ponzi had they not been seduced by all the pimps promoting PS as being blessed by God and all the other nonsense they claimed. Funny how you didn't learn from Zeek, and then all the other Ponzi's that you joined. And you want me to believe that you are "new" to HYIP's and didn't know what you were doing, seriously?

Originally Posted by Dr. Bob

A Junior Tuition
Will cost you $25.00 per month

I am so sure of our program that if we invited you here tonight and you can prove to us that you don’t have the $25.00 to begin,

We will lend it to you!



By the way Ribshaw, I have never taken the 25 bucks back from one single person. If they are in need, I just give it to them. I tell them lend or else they have to much pride to take it.

I've never taken back the worm from the fish I caught either

Originally Posted by path2prosperity

Trump University is a new one on me.

Each week everyone goes into the board room and someone gets fired.....

Originally Posted by Dr. Bob

Another post said if I was a "savvy internet marketer" I would know the names of all the crooks and Ponzi's. Well maybe I am not as savvy as I thought because I do not know the names of all the crooks and schemes out there. What can I tell you. My definition is that I know how to market and get a message across to a targeted group of people.

The thing I cant understand Eagle One is why no one here see's that I am trying to be cooperative. It's very depressing.

I think you have and I am trying to be sincere when I say that all you have done is to swallow the story of The Emperor's New Clothes, hook line and sinker. I fell for it. I was an avid autosurfer before before I became a RS member. I spent some of my pension playing autosurfs which I thought were money games and that is how I learned about people like Bob Krimm and Nick Smirnow. I wish I knew more about them but we have modern historians so their life stories are in capable hands.

There are no legitimate money games on the Internet as organised criminals have them covered. The founding father of Internet marketing as we understand it was Corey Rudl Was Corey Rudl a crook? I do not know but his methods have fallen into disrepute.

Internet marketing is a crap concept. Think about it. How can any person open up a global market single handedly? How can anybody find out what customers from all quatres of the globe will pay for a product or service? How can any small business person resource products for a world market? The whole concept is complete crap. A lot of the big networks are owned by crooks and convicted felons like Bowdoin and Trevor Cooke. The people who have profited from these enterprises like Dr Mara, Jill Bachman, Nanci-Jo Frazer and Terry The Banker are real people who have gone down in Internet history as ponzi shills.

What you can do is to learn your lesson about Internet marketing and teach your students where to get more historical data on cybespace crime. Eagle, PatrickPretty and SBM are already in the top echelon of Internet crime reporters.

My sincere advice is to drop Internet marketing as a concept as Internet marketers of today are those who
churn out pre written sales spiel like fly blows and paste their crap concepts on ponzi promoting boards like TalkGold, MMG and Adlandpro.

If you want to learn about numerous gods and godesses who help these ponzi shills target their messages you can read about The Mountain of Love.

Mountain of Love or Mountain of Crap. You decide!

Hello Ribshaw,

Don't see what the problem is. That is a linked in profile aimed at getting me speaking engagements.
What's your point?

Dr. Bob

Originally Posted by Dr. Bob

You guys are just anti-mlm/network marketing. Since that is the case, there is really nothing I can say now is there. I have actually seen people post that Amway should be illegal, that it is a scheme. You will all think what you think. You have that right.
I however, will not be leaving the multi-level marketing industry.

More fool you

Hello Ribshaw,

When I was with Wizetrade, I was teaching all of my classes for free. One of their executives wanted me booted because they wanted to start their own school and charge 10k for it. Problem was that no one would join as long as I was doing it for free. George Thompson gave me the heads up on this and hooked me into James who was dying for big name high profile teachers. I had never met James before that, though I had heard of him from Wizetrade. He was gone before I started teaching and Blake Morrow had taken his place.
I went for an interview with James and took the job. Didnt take all that long before James started resenting the fact that I did a lot of stuff for the "populace" that was free. I never considered Wizetrade crooked. People had false expectation, albeit because of the way it was sold. When I made it work, I figured everyone could figure it out. They couldnt' so I started teaching.

and again,
whats your point detective
Dr. Bob

I am honored that you find me so important that you spend so much time researching my life. I now have a biographer.
PS, dont you think this is getting a little silly.

Originally Posted by Dr. Bob

Hello Ribshaw,

I am honored that you find me so important that you spend so much time researching my life. I now have a biographer.
PS, dont you think this is getting a little silly.

Every dog has its day Bob and you have had yours.

It is up to modern historians not "ribshaw" to decide if your life is of any interest to posterity. "Ribshaw" has dug up data which some savvy young historians will certainly research in a little more depth. It is certainly not silly to research the facts and write Internet history. If you are a good crook, your life of crime could be the subject of young historian's PhD thesis in the not so distant future, thanks to "ribshaw" "eagle and others here.

If you are a puffed up egotist with no real intellect, you will be forgotten in a matter of weeks!

Originally Posted by path2prosperity

Every dog has its day Bob and you have had yours.

It is up to modern historians not "ribshaw" to decide if your life is of any interest to posterity. "Ribshaw" has dug up data which some savvy young historians will certainly research in a little more depth. It is certainly not silly to research the facts and write Internet history. If you are a good crook, your life of crime could be the subject of young historian's PhD thesis in the not so distant future, thanks to "ribshaw" "eagle and others here.

If you are a puffed up egotist with no real intellect, you will be forgotten in a matter of weeks!

Well stated, Lady J...!

Research all you want, there is nothing I have done in my life that I am ashamed of.

Originally Posted by Dr. Bob

I am honored that you find me so important that you spend so much time researching my life. I now have a biographer.
PS, dont you think this is getting a little silly.

“Those who fail to learn the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them. George Santayana

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Originally Posted by Dr. Bob

Our marketing program is a reverse 2 up,,, the same one the empower network uses,,, I guess they are a ponzi also?
last bridge loan we took cost us 40% for 45 days. by the way, last I heard in america, you are innocent until proven guilty, has that changed?

"last I heard in america, you are innocent until proven guilty, has that changed?"

Wow. Another by the book shill line. I'm not sure I can count as high as the number of times I've seen that one.

Originally Posted by Dr. Bob

last I heard in america, you are innocent until proven guilty

Another perfect example of how a half truth becomes a lie.

To be accurate Dr. Bobs' sentence should read: "in america, you are innocent until proven guilty IN A COURT OF LAW"

If Bobby took the time to look up in the top left hand corner of his screen he would see the REALSCAM.com logo:



YOU decide.

People can read the information with regard to "Dr. Bobs" history, use of the term "Doctor," involvement with shady characters and opportunities, continuing involvement with illegal HYIP ponzi frauds, qualifications (or lack thereof) and the hype with which he promotes himself and then THEY can decide if he is the type of person with whom THEY wish to associate themselves.

As for "Dr. Bob", well, he can continue to shoot the messenger.

We'll be here tomorrow, the only question is, will he ??

Originally Posted by Dr. Bob

Research all you want, there is nothing I have done in my life that I am ashamed of.

Hence the problem...

@littleroundman, if it was directed at you I would have used your name and not busttheblock, who apparently started this thread. It seems busttheblock was asked to initiate this thread (as a member of QES) by those involved with QES. Btw, this entire forum is by far the most blatant example of cyber bullying on the net. From personal attacks (which are a violation of YOUR rule #9) to unfounded badgering of anyone who even attempts to defend or reconcile his/her position. Each of you clearly has a personal agenda far beyond protecting the general public from schemes and fraud, which is to defame, discredit and virtually molest the character of those you attack. There has yet to be a fact based entry into this particular thread regarding the damaging effect of Double Up Dollars or it's owners.

I am also intrigued by how all of you hide behind your user name, while the people you call out are fully exposed. I doubt that if you met any of these people in person you would have the stones to do anything but whimper.

Originally Posted by laidback

Well stated, Lady J...!

I ain't no Lady! No ex-hubbies with gongs from HRH and no aristocrat Daddy with a baronetcy!

Since you have named this thread Quattro Education System-Quattrolearning.com. Lets go ahead and have some discussion about the titled organization shall we? Anybody, Bueller, Bueller?

Originally Posted by busttheblock

This has the makings of a ponzi. Not only are some of the most notorious scammers online, ie: Ken Russo etc, pimping it, there is no real product. DOUBLE UP DOLLARS is their latest marketing ploy. If that doesn't scream, PPPPPOOOOONNNNNNZZZZZIIIIIII, I'm don't know what does.

Ponzi Scheme "A Ponzi scheme is a fraudulent investment operation that pays returns to its investors from their own money or the money paid by subsequent investors, rather than from profit earned by the individual or organization running the operation." I don't see where "returns on your own money" are even mentioned.

The above is only one of two things critically wrong with your post. The second is Dr Bob has nothing to do with Quattro. I thought there might be something informative here, but I have yet to read a post that offers anything productive or fact based. If you have facts, not moronic self serving opinions, then post them! I would like some real information, and certainly didn't expect to find a 3rd grade food fight when I came here.