Thread: Dr. Bob (aka Robert Gube-Zitrin) fraud or guru ?

Originally Posted by path2prosperity

True but There are too few who are interested in mlm or any network marketing programs in the location and markets which I am targeting. There is so much to interest people that they are more likely to be involved with projects in arts or science.

Also True Path,

Different strokes for different folks.

Regards and thanks,
Dr. Bob

Originally Posted by Dr. Bob

I am assuming that you and baylee are related. I put you both in the same boat, Your are an insult to the intelligent people on this forum like path, eagle, ribshaw, prof. Higgins, Roundman and others.

Shame on you both!!

Keep on Tap Dancing drbobby, you will improve sooner or later!

doc bob:

For someone who claims to know nothing about MMG, you really should acquaint yourself with them. You see you have a staunch supporter posting all kinds of great things about your program over there, and from all accounts this person seems to be one of your 'insiders." You see mick97, or Scott his real name, is posting a lot of information about DUD. I would think that you would be monitoring his posts to make sure he is not lying about your program, and all the material he is posting is approved by you and DUD. For if you don't, it's a good way of getting shutdown by the FTC. Glad I could be of help to you with this heads-up.

For someone who claims to be such a great marketer, you are also missing your golden opportunity here. You see, you should have the link to your site in your signature but you don't. This is basic marketing that any marketer would know. So now I have provided you with 2 helpful tips, and here you thought I was anti-MLM or anti-Internet Marketing. Looks can be deceiving, right?

Originally Posted by EagleOne

doc bob:

For someone who claims to know nothing about MMG, you really should acquaint yourself with them. You see you have a staunch supporter posting all kinds of great things about your program over there, and from all accounts this person seems to be one of your 'insiders." You see mick97, or Scott his real name, is posting a lot of information about DUD. I would think that you would be monitoring his posts to make sure he is not lying about your program, and all the material he is posting is approved by you and DUD. For if you don't, it's a good way of getting shutdown by the FTC. Glad I could be of help to you with this heads-up.

For someone who claims to be such a great marketer, you are also missing your golden opportunity here. You see, you should have the link to your site in your signature but you don't. This is basic marketing that any marketer would know. So now I have provided you with 2 helpful tips, and here you thought I was anti-MLM or anti-Internet Marketing. Looks can be deceiving, right?

IMPORTANT NOTE TO ALL MEMBERS:

Double Up Dollars highly discourages advertising in Scam/Ponzi classified online classified ad sites such as adland pro and MMG.

These sites are specifically designed to bring people into passive income illegal Ponzi programs such as Zeekler and Profitable Sunrise.

Now in the past, many of us were involved in programs like this out of ignorance to their true nature, including as you know ourselves.

Double Up Dollars is a legal business and we don't want to be under government scrutiny when we are doing nothing wrong. (Sometimes the government has a way of finding things wrong even when you are right, just so they don't have to go away with their tails between their legs!)

All business's advertising in those type of venues are under scrutiny.

We don't want to be classified as a scam IN ANY WAY simply because we place ourselves in the middle of a batch of scams. (It's the birds of a feather thing)

Any ads placed in these type of sites will be scrutinized under a microscope by Hanna and myself for accuracy and the posters will be warned once and removed from the program if there are ANY inaccuracies.

There are thousands of other places to advertise that will put Double Up in a good light so why go to the "dark side?"

Regards,
Dr. Bob and Hanna

PS. I will go check that out right now. I dont put links because they are not allowed is what I was told. I was told no self promotions were allowed.
By the way, thanks for the heads up. It is genuinely appreciated. Yes Eagle, looks can be deceiving, thank you. We posted the above to our members today, actually a few seconds before I saw your post. I went to post it here
and there you were!

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Welcome to REALSCAM.COM!

1: Don't be a Jerk. You must be thirteen years of age or older, and be able to act like it in order to post on our forums.

2: We are not your advertising venue, so please do not put your self-promotion links in the body of posts. Do properly cite all quotes with the links from original works. If you quote material that is from the opportunity you are promoting, you will need to use a generic link that does not have your personal referral ID in it or refer to a personalized URL for a replicated sales site.

3: Do not use our private message or E-Mail system here to advertise your opportunity. That will get you banned immediately.

4: Do not put your full name, address or phone number on the site.

5: Please keep self-promotion links and contact information in your signature which needs to be limited to 3 items no larger than size 3 font. No graphical images are permitted. We reserve the right to remove or edit any signature without notice at our sole discretion.

Originally Posted by EagleOne

doc bob:

For someone who claims to know nothing about MMG, you really should acquaint yourself with them. You see you have a staunch supporter posting all kinds of great things about your program over there, and from all accounts this person seems to be one of your 'insiders." You see mick97, or Scott his real name, is posting a lot of information about DUD. I would think that you would be monitoring his posts to make sure he is not lying about your program, and all the material he is posting is approved by you and DUD. For if you don't, it's a good way of getting shutdown by the FTC. Glad I could be of help to you with this heads-up.

For someone who claims to be such a great marketer, you are also missing your golden opportunity here. You see, you should have the link to your site in your signature but you don't. This is basic marketing that any marketer would know. So now I have provided you with 2 helpful tips, and here you thought I was anti-MLM or anti-Internet Marketing. Looks can be deceiving, right?

Hello Eagle One,

Oy Vey ist Meir!! I just went to the site. 7 pages of ads on us. I did not read every post, just skimmed through. Did not see anything blatantly wrong, but that is not the point. It's just not the place where we want our program advertised, mainly because of its reputation. Over the week end I will go over it with a fine tooth comb.
Appreciate the heads up.

Regards,
Dr. Bob

PS, Scott is one of our members, but I would not call him one of our insiders. I never talked to him, but he posts on facebook and I do know who he is, but I don't know anything about him.

Originally Posted by Dr. Bob

Hello Eagle One,

Oy Vey ist Meir!! I just went to the site. 7 pages of ads on us. I did not read every post, just skimmed through. Did not see anything blatantly wrong, but that is not the point. It's just not the place where we want our program advertised, mainly because of its reputation. Over the week end I will go over it with a fine tooth comb.
Appreciate the heads up.

Regards,
Dr. Bob

PS, Scott is one of our members, but I would not call him one of our insiders. I never talked to him, but he posts on facebook and I do know who he is, but I don't know anything about him.

LOL, Not an insider, Good one drbobby!

Originally Posted by Dr. Bob

Council disagrees with you on that. They said we would be opening up a can of worms that is just not worth the effort. And if some ponzi player wishes to clean up his act and finally get into a real program with no rpp or money that flows up to the top and every one else fails. If THEY want to clean up their act, we will take them. We cannot do background checks on all affiliates. It is the validity of the program that matters more than the place it is advertised. Ponzi players have no interest in our program. It is far to difficult for them. It requires sales and work.

Regards,
Dr. Bob

After giving it some thought, I am going to call BS on that comment. You are a private organization. You can make the conditions on where your advertisers are not permitted to advertise. You can also make conditions about any false or misleading claims they make on your behalf. Whether they are self employed contractors or employees, all advertising is representing your business and you call the tune.

As for not being able to do background checks on all affiliates, the only comment I can make is that a business which does not check out it's salesmen and women is not a very professional one. Businesses ask for CVs for their salesmen BEFORE they take them on to represent them, irrespective of whether they are employed, or self employed on a commission basis. They represent the company and legitimate businesses do not want to be misrepresented by uncontrolled or rogue salesmen. Equally, they generally wish to cover certain geographical areas and do not want to have a saturation of sales in any given area and lack of coverage in others. The same applies to their advertising. Real businesses advertise what they really sell as they wish to get legitimate sales and repeat customers and avoid legal problems caused by fraudulent or misleading advertising.

A business which does not exercise a proper control over their sales force has big problem. Quite apart from the waste of energy in indiscriminate recruitment, it raises the question of how much they really care about their own reputation and the value of the product or service they wish to sell. A business that allows a free for all which recruits anyone who wishes to join and advertises wherever they like sounds very like one that doesnt really care how their product or service is represented as long as the cash flows in.

p.s. If that is the advice your are really truly receiving from a paid attorney, I suggest you change your lawyer.

Originally Posted by Dr. Bob

Council disagrees with you on that.

On top of everything else, you can't even get the name of your legal advisor right.

Counsel vs. Council

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Do not confuse counsel with council. Counsel means a legal advisor. In the U.K., the term is used for barristers appearing in court; in the U.S., it is used for office practioners such as general counsel, as well as litigators. Note that the plural of general counsel is general counsel, not general counsels.
Council, however, denotes a deliberative body or assembly. For example, a city council.
A counsellor is one who gives advice – often but not always legal, but a councillor is a member of a council.

Originally Posted by Lil Ol' Radical Me

A business which does not exercise a proper control over their sales force has big problem.

I endorse that 100% LORM.

The rules are clear here. Anybody who uses the private messaging system for advertising is banned instantly. NO WARNINGS.

Originally Posted by Dr. Boob

Hello Path,

Amway has a 98.2% drop out rate and they did about 10 billion dollars last year.

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I went and looked at drbobby's thread at MMG and his two co-conspirators are happily talking to each other but not much else is going on. I really think the grape is turning into a raisin.

Originally Posted by baylee

I went and looked at drbobby's thread at MMG and his two co-conspirators are happily talking to each other but not much else is going on. I really think the grape is turning into a raisin.

This one is dead as a door nail....They got their own in house forum with a total of like 23 members....LOL...

Originally Posted by okosh

This one is dead as a door nail....They got their own in house forum with a total of like 23 members....LOL...

Hello Okosh,

There is no official company forum. There are only forums put up by individual members. Over 60 of them exist from what we can see. The largest I have seen has 1021 members and the smallest has 6. But thank you for looking out for us

Best regards,
From your true friend,
Dr. Bob

doc bob: Any reason why your videos won't work on IE?

Originally Posted by EagleOne

doc bob: Any reason why your videos won't work on IE?

Hello Eagle one,

I have not forgotten the other posts, just been jammed down with work recently. I will get to them.

IE has been working funny lately. Try chrome or firefox.

Doc

Originally Posted by Dr. Bob

Hello Eagle one,

I have not forgotten the other posts, just been jammed down with work recently. I will get to them.

IE has been working funny lately. Try chrome or firefox.

Doc

Why anyone would use IE is beyond me...

Originally Posted by okosh

Why anyone would use IE is beyond me...

I couldnt agree with you more!!

Doc

Whether or not you like IE, you are still eliminating a large market share of potential members. Not exactly what a great Internet marketing professional would do, so why are you? You claim to be this great marketing professional, and this belies that claim.

Originally Posted by EagleOne

Whether or not you like IE, you are still eliminating a large market share of potential members. Not exactly what a great Internet marketing professional would do, so why are you? You claim to be this great marketing professional, and this belies that claim.

Hello Eagle One

By the way, I love your icon, I don't claim to be any "great marketing professional". I claim to be someone who has been successfully earning my living in marketing for the last 35 years or so. I teach what has worked for me. Whether I am a great marketing professional or not is for others to decide, not me.

I would love for all my stuff to play just great on IE, but it doesn't. Can't figure a way around it for now. I do have feelers out to find out how I can get around it. For now, havent figured it out.
My emails won't even open any more in IE. I can get to my email, but if I open the letter, I just get a blank.

Regards,
Dr. Bob

Originally Posted by Dr. Bob

Hello Eagle One

By the way, I love your icon, I don't claim to be any "great marketing professional". I claim to be someone who has been successfully earning my living in marketing for the last 35 years or so. I teach what has worked for me. Whether I am a great marketing professional or not is for others to decide, not me.


Regards,
Dr. Bob

drbobby, you are the head of a school teaching a subject. Surely that imply's at the very least a vast knowledge of the subject being taught?

Bob will have to take control of his sales force, if he wishes to gain any support from members here.

If hr can not ban Dr Goodie Ude and make sure that the man never promotes any of his links in any community, he is in trouble.

Dr Ude Pimp for Double up Dollars.

Originally Posted by path2prosperity

Bob will have to take control of his sales force, if he wishes to gain any support from members here.

If hr can not ban Dr Goodie Ude and make sure that the man never promotes any of his links in any community, he is in trouble.

Dr Ude Pimp for Double up Dollars.

Strangely I'm conflicted with this statement.Unless that individual is misrepresenting the products or services or trying to fleece the recruits on the sidelines, I don't see the reason from banning anyone or restricting some sites.

Originally Posted by Nourjan

Strangely I'm conflicted with this statement.Unless that individual is misrepresenting the products or services or trying to fleece the recruits on the sidelines, I don't see the reason from banning anyone or restricting some sites.

In normal businesses, whether on or offline, the company or owner generally make their own choices as to who sells their products or represents them in any way. With MLM businesses this element of selection seems to be totally lacking. Anyone and everyone is permitted by the companies or owners to represent them, unless or until they break the rules, and sometimes, even after they have broken them.

In any normal business it would be a natural choice NOT to permit someone with a history of pimping just about every major illegal scheme there has been over the past few years from representing them, as it would be damaging to their reputation. MLMs CAN but generally choose not to vet their independent / commission only sales force, and take all comers if they are willing to run with the business or scheme, irrespective of their experience, suitability or reputation. Their business model costs them nothing for their sales force (even commission salesmen receive samples and some free training in conventional businesses) but they seem willing to sacrifice their reputations by being totally undiscriminating as to who represents them. To me and others this says a lot about the kind of businesses who choose to sell using the MLM model and a great deal more about the "quasi" mlms - and by that I mean businesses of dubious legality which use the MLM model.

Originally Posted by Nourjan

Strangely I'm conflicted with this statement.Unless that individual is misrepresenting the products or services or trying to fleece the recruits on the sidelines, I don't see the reason from banning anyone or restricting some sites.

This may be acceptable for the very few legal MLM programs which are around.

Bob has already admitted that he can not see how people using Adlandpro represent him and his opportunity because Scamlanders are allowed to offer their business opportunities through their private messaging system. He can not know what techniques pimps like Russo and Dr Goodie Ude use to get sign ups. A lot of people will not touch anything pimped by people like Russo, Faith Sloane, VanBeekom etc, being represented by people of this ilk can only bring the wrong sort of referrals.