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Dr. Bob (aka Robert Gube-Zitrin) fraud or guru ?
Originally Posted by
baylee
If russo is involved, run far, far, far away as fast as possible.
Dr. Bob and Hanna ( Co-CEO's of Double Up Dollars )
Yikes! These are the people responsible for the latest ponzi.
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re: Quattro Education System - Quattrolearning.com / Dr. Bob Scammer
Originally Posted by
busttheblock
Dr. Bob and Hanna ( Co-CEO's of Double Up Dollars )
Yikes! These are the people responsible for the latest ponzi.
I can't believe this thread hasn't received more attention. Maybe it is because this ponzi is pretty new
on the block and hasn't had enough exposure.
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re: Quattro Education System - Quattrolearning.com / Dr. Bob Scammer
Originally Posted by
busttheblock
Dr. Bob and Hanna ( Co-CEO's of Double Up Dollars )
Yikes! These are the people responsible for the latest ponzi.
I see nothing in that picture that inspires any trust. When I ask myself if I would buy a used car from either one, the answer is a resounding, @$$&$@~)&%$ NO!!!
It seems like in this "industry" common sense is not all that common!
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re: Quattro Education System - Quattrolearning.com / Dr. Bob Scammer
Originally Posted by
busttheblock
Dr. Bob and Hanna ( Co-CEO's of Double Up Dollars )
Yikes! These are the people responsible for the latest ponzi.
"Yikes" is right.
His teeth are enough to scare people away.
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re: Quattro Education System - Quattrolearning.com / Dr. Bob Scammer
Originally Posted by
baylee
If russo is involved, run far, far, far away as fast as possible.
Dr Goddie Ude also pimping this one big time.....That means it's a scam for sure...
ʎɐqǝ uo pɹɐoqʎǝʞ ɐ ʎnq ı ǝɯıʇ ʇsɐן ǝɥʇ sı sıɥʇ
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re: Quattro Education System - Quattrolearning.com / Dr. Bob Scammer
Originally Posted by
Blue Wolf
"Yikes" is right.
His teeth are enough to scare people away.
Their motto is "this program is something we could sink our teeth into"
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re: Quattro Education System - Quattrolearning.com / Dr. Bob Scammer
Originally Posted by
Whip
Their motto is "this program is something we could sink our teeth into"
My motto is "this program is something we could all lose our money in"...
ʎɐqǝ uo pɹɐoqʎǝʞ ɐ ʎnq ı ǝɯıʇ ʇsɐן ǝɥʇ sı sıɥʇ
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re: Quattro Education System - Quattrolearning.com / Dr. Bob Scammer
Originally Posted by
okosh
My motto is "this program is something we could all lose our money in"...
Get a load of this HYPE, Bullsh*t hogwash! This is type of emails that are circulating now. All the talk of NO RISK is the biggest red flag of them all!
Enroll before June 1st and pay NO admin fees for 90 days !
I have just been advised of a new project which we believe provides everything we are looking for in our quest for a solid and long-term residual income producer.
And it is perfect for each and every person, regardless of your sponsoring ability....More on that later in this email!
We get really excited when we see a 5 Star Program....
and we have this in that category.
What we have here is essentially a
"fully automated system"
that guarantees our success.
The name of the program is Quattro Education System/Double Up Dollars.
Please watch both Video's on
this informational page:
EZ Pro Builder :: Put Extra Income In Your Wallet
Please study the plan carefully and you will understand how powerful this is, and how it can change your life as we progress during the next few days, weeks and months.
This is leverage at its finest....and it is also a fast, significant monthly residual.
Below is the link to join the company, Quattro Education System
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We do not need to remind everyone that the biggest problem in this industry is the inability of most folks to personally refer new members.
The solution to this problem is twofold......
1. CAPS: Paid telemarketers that will bring in your required 4 to be in profit within 30 days
2. OASIS: An automated marketing system that can bring in 50 paid members under you in a month
As stated in the video presentation, the most important aspect of this project is this....
Even if you do nothing but bring in your first 4 clients, through your own efforts or through the Placement Specialists, your income will grow exponentially.
About 50 telemarketers working right now and more are being hired.
Everything will blow open on June 1st
Position yourself now!
If you have failed before, this guarantees your success!
Nothing should hold you back from jumping into this now.
The income potential here is AWESOME!
Without ever recruiting anyone, many of you will be making six figures this year!
With just 67 paid members under you recruited by CAPS or OASIS, you are in six figures this year!
NO RISK...
Don't miss this opportunity as many people are jumping into it now.
Important additional notes.....
~CAPS recruits for everyone just for $25. If you have NOT received any sign-up after your first 30 days billing Cycle, you will NOT be billed until CAPS gets you at least 1 down line.
~With just ONE member from CAPS, you are even. This will happen within 30 days of joining or you won’t be billed again. Brilliant!
~All of the obstacles most people face in building a business like this have been solved!
~The entire company and members work together to bring in new members.
~Each and every member, regardless of the number of personally sponsored members they have, must pay the $25 co-op fee each month. These funds are used to continually place new members for everyone who does not have 4 personals, otherwise known as a Quattro.
There are 2 membership level options....
~Junior Tuition level requires a $25 payment
~Gemstar Deluxe Tuition level requires a $125 payment (highly recommended as 95% join at this level and if you're not at this level, $100 of the $125 sales that you make will be paid to your sponsor instead of to you!)
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re: Quattro Education System - Quattrolearning.com / Dr. Bob Scammer
Originally Posted by
busttheblock
-link removed-
I understand why you removed the link but at same time I think it good for readers to know who is sending such emails....
ʎɐqǝ uo pɹɐoqʎǝʞ ɐ ʎnq ı ǝɯıʇ ʇsɐן ǝɥʇ sı sıɥʇ
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re: Quattro Education System - Quattrolearning.com / Dr. Bob Scammer
Anything preceded with EZ is a huge red flag to me. Suggests names like Ron Walsh, Kathleen VanBeekom or Paula Frye.
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re: Quattro Education System - Quattrolearning.com / Dr. Bob Scammer
Originally Posted by
path2prosperity
Anything preceded with EZ is a huge red flag to me. Suggests names like Ron Walsh, Kathleen VanBeekom or Paula Frye.
It was a woman, Paulette Whitney, that sent the hype email above. Her username for Quattro is anuczn. I don't know who she is.
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re: Quattro Education System - Quattrolearning.com / Dr. Bob Scammer
Who the hell are all these facisious "Dr" people that the biggest ponzi scammer, Ken Russo, seems to be friends with? Dr Goddie, Dr Lievens, Dr. Rob etc.
Here is a copy of Ken's update email to his sheep. I'm sure that the blonde dyed hair beaver mouth freak, Dr Bob spent $150k on his new site.
__________________________________________________ __________________
Here is the update I just sent to my group.....
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Subject: Double Up Dollars Team Update - News From My Sponsor
May 29, 2013
Greetings Everyone,
Welcome to our newest members.
Did you notice that "Quattro Education System" has been removed from
the subject line? This is one of many things discussed in the following
update I received last night from my sponsor, Dr. Goddie.
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Subject: From Dr. Goddie....DUD- MAJOR Update- 5/28/2013
Hello Ken,
We just concluded tonight's webinar.
We have some positive news!
1.We are in Double-Up Dollars, not QES. Henceforth all updates will
read "Double-Up Dollars DUD" no more Quattro!
2. The video that you watched before joining our team was for
Double-up Dollars not QES
3. What happened was that Joe, the president of QES was lending his
QES software to Team Leaders to use and track their own teams in the
QES business. Remember, folks you are in business for yourself since
you get paid DIRECTLY. Joe allowed team leaders to use the software,
so DUD founded by Dr. Bob and Hanna was using QES software. All
of us signed up with QES software, but we were never under QES/Joe
business. Since the business models are the same, there have been a lot
of confusion as to the differences between QES and DUD. Both are
different companies using the same software.
We are in Double-Up Dollars!
4. The goodnews is that Dr. Bob and Hanna has just spent around 150K
(According to Dr Bob) to build a different customized software for
Double-up Dollars.
5. This means that as I write data migration is going on and our entire
3500 DUD members in the QES software are being migrated to the
new software before this weekend.
6. We expect the New DUD software with all of our information moved
over, to be up and running this weekend or early coming week. Expect
some changes this Friday hopefully.
7. Because of the data migration to the DUD software, this may not be the
right time to sponsor people. Wait till the new software comes on board.
8. Actually, right from the onset, Dr. Bob and Hanna were the ones who
managed our database and fixed all pass-up programs. So were never in
QES/Joe's Group as some think. We simply share the same business model
and software.
9. The question is why two different companies? This business model allows
so many companies since you get paid directly. If you can pay for a good
software, register the company, provide a good product people are willing
to pay for, you can start your own. You can even ask Joe to lend you QES
software, LOL!!!
We are privileged to be working with experienced leaders as Dr. Rob and
Hanna. I had the privilege of speaking with him last week. So I think we
are good with DUD! He has a log term plan for DUD and we all need to
support him and his wife.
PAYMENT PROCESSORS
1. Paypal will be strongly discouraged in the new software. Though it may
be available for anyone wishing to use it.
2. DUD will be implementing centralized Merchant Account Credit Card
Processor that will process all payments and issue refunds when necessary.
This will save all of us, especially international members the hassles of setting
up their own Merchant Accounts. Empower Network ran into the same problem
a few months after they started their member-to-member 100% commission
payment. They quickly reverted to centralized Ewallet System that processed
the payments and sends the money to members Bank Account or Debit Card
anywhere in the world. This will solve a lot of payments issues for everyone.
Beyond that it is automated, so you won't need to be chasing people around.
Also with one click, you can cancel your account!
3. There will also be STP for those who want to pay and receive payments
via STP.
4. Once the new software is up and running, those of us with Paypal
Subscription payment will have to setup Credit Card subscription and
STP subscription. Then go back to your Paypal account and cancel the
current subscription running now. Paypal may still be used but at your
own risk!
NOTE: Don't cancel your Paypal Subscription now until you set-up the
new subscription.
5. As far as receiving payments around the world and making payments
around the world are concerned, I guess Dr. Bob is saying we will not
have that as an issue anymore!
CAPS- CUSTOMER ACQUISITION
Most of you have been asking so many question about this because of the
confusion surrounding DUD CAPS system and the QES CAPS system.
QES CAPS system that is operation now requires you to pay around $375
up-front and place ads in order to have your 4 member recruited for you.
They are changing it to hiring and paying call centers to do that for $25
per month. Remember we are not in QES, so that does not concern you
if you are receiving this email.
DUD CAPS System are two systems:
UTOPIA= This does for us in DUD what the call centers do for QES. So
we have a system that will recruit for you just for $25/month. This is for
us in DUD only! You are in!
OASIS= This is a unique tool Dr. Bob and Hanna devloped that added 57
paid members and 400 leads in 28 days to their business. As a member of
DUD, you will have access to this monster recruiting machine for just $25
per month.
Both UTOPIA and OASIS will be $50/month. They are not a must, but you
definitely need them to explode your business.
Everything you need to succeed in the business are tied to UTOPIA, so
having to pay for UTOPIA ($25) is in fact mandatory for your success,
otherwise you will get your own software and run your own little business
under DUD!!!! LOL!
The above cost is different from your regular $125 tuition you pay to your
Tutor or Sponsor.
Bear in mind that using the OASIS alone can produce you more than 4
signups in a month, so why not use it?
Not only will OASIS help you recruit, you will also learn how to build any
business online using the OASIS system!
THE PRODUCT- DUD
The company's major product is "Online Entrepreneural Training Academy"
(no more Quattro Education System [QES])
Your $125/month gives you access to these trainings and recorded webinars
you can access anytime anywhere in the world.
So many of us do not understand how to use computer, autoresponder, browse
the internet, where to buy leads, advertise, run a profitable business, learn about
stock and forex trading etc. This Online Academy will offers you these trainings
and even more for just the $125 per month.
CONCLUSION
I think I have covered some of the major points. If I missed anything kindly
notify me. If I got anything wrong, do not hesitate to let me know. If you
want Dr. Bob's tel# you can grab it from the Facebook page or Skype me.
My joy is to see all of you use this opportunity to retire this year. Getting
early is important and I am glad we came in early enough to watch things
grow. Soon this will explode and draw more marketers!
It's an honor to serve all of you!
P.S: Send this UPDATE to those you sponsored and SAVE the email for
future reference!
See you at the top! Let me know if you have any issues!
Blessings!
Dr. Goddie
Skype: kingdomassets
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re: Quattro Education System - Quattrolearning.com / Dr. Bob Scammer
Ok guys,
This is Dr. Bob and Hanna,
We cut all ties with Quattro Education Systems last week. We also felt it was being run a bit on the Ponzi side. If you google dr bob forex, or dr bob wizetrade, you will see I have a sparkling reputation.
Double up Dollars is a "version" of the qes system but we changed it quite a bit and let people know that this is not a passive business. In the least like any other online business, ie: Amway, Momentis, Monavie, Organo, it must be marketed. We have been teaching online for over ten years with no marketing plan whatsoever attached and collecting 129.95 a month from hundreds of satisfied students. We have students still who sign up for the school, but are not on the marketing program itself
We give refunds to anyone who is not happy, and we dont charge a whole lot of money to get in either.
I have never refused a refund to ANYONE!
We have designed several tools that make the business a whole lot easier, but it is still not in any way passive. If anyone thinks that they can just put up their money and wait to be rich, sorry, it ain't gonna happen!
We give 30 hours a week of live webinar marketing training as our product. We also teach stock, commodity, and forex trading, all of which, I think i can qualify as an expert on. We even teach real estate.
Does this sound like a ponzi with no product?
We work our asses off on this and I am sorry if you wont buy a used car from me! Luckily, I dont sell cars.
We want everyone involved to make money with this, but just like any other network marketing program we WILL have a higher percentage of people who dont make it than those who will. We let people know that in our presentations ALWAYS.
We are always available by direct phone to all of our affiliates. There is no going through secretaries.
So to sum it all up, it is a real online business, that if you work hard you have a chance at success at. We cannot guarantee success. We provide you with tools that will help you, such as a "kick-ass" sales funnel that beats the pants off of any other we have ever seen and gives great results. But the best funnel will funnel nothing out if you don't funnel something into it.
Let me make it clear, the average mlm/network marketing program, even the big famous ones, have a 98% failure rate. We are hoping to be able to improve on that. We want everyone to be successful, but we are fully aware that it just won't happen.
If we can get a 10% success rate which is our goal, we will turn the network marketing world upside down! I don't know if we can, but that is our goal.
AND REMEMBER, WE CUT ALL TIES WITH QUATTRO EDUCATION BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT FULLFILLING ON PROMISES AND IT SEEMED TO US A LITTLE TO MUCH ON THE PONZI SIDE. WE ACTUALLY MADE OUR PROGRAM MORE DIFFICULT BECAUSE WE WANTED IT TO BE COMPLIANT. QUATTRO IS OWNED AND RUN BY JOE SCHWALENBURG, AND HE HAS NOTHING ANYMORE TO DO WITH DOUBLE UP DOLLARS.
As for the name, I like it, it's catchy, lol. Would you like us to have a more business like name, maybe,,hmmm, lemme see now,,, ahhhhhh Google, or maybe yahoo?
But seriously we want people to be successful, but we know most wont and offer no guarantees on a persons success. No company does. We do however offer a 7 day money back guarantee. Would it make you happier if we made it 14, lol, we can do that if you like.
Best regards to all,
Dr. Bob and Hanna
954-822-6786
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re: Quattro Education System - Quattrolearning.com / Dr. Bob Scammer
Dr. Bob and Hanna again,
As for some of the people in the program. We dont do a background check on affiliates. If we find people doing wrong things, they are warned, and can be thrown out!
Regards again,
Dr. Bob and Hanna
954-822-6786
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re: Quattro Education System - Quattrolearning.com / Dr. Bob Scammer
Originally Posted by
Dr. Bob
Ok guys,
This is Dr. Bob and Hanna,
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Let me make it clear, the average mlm/network marketing program, even the big famous ones, have a 98% failure rate. We are hoping to be able to improve on that. We want everyone to be successful, but we are fully aware that it just won't happen.
If we can get a 10% success rate which is our goal, we will turn the network marketing world upside down! I don't know if we can, but that is our goal..........
I removed 3 of your blatant self-promotion posts. Any more violations of the rules here and you will be permanently banned.
You give loser a whole new meaning. 98% failure is precisely the reality and that is a mathematical certainty based on the pyramid pay plans for these MLM scams. Now you come on and brag that you can change that historical failure rate and make it a really enticing 90%. What an idiot! Coming on an anti-scam forum to promote yourself was really brainy!
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re: Quattro Education System - Quattrolearning.com / Dr. Bob Scammer
The owner of Quattro Education Systems is Joe Schwalenburg
his phone is 1-863-835-1272 and 1-813-986-4614
he claims that he can give you four people for your Quattro in 30 days or less, he claims to be trying for 5-7 days each person is paying you $125.00
he claims 5000 people,,, 680
5000x4=20,000x4=80,000x4=320,000x4=1,280,000x4=5,1 20,000x4=20,480,000x4=81,920,000x4=327,680,000x4=1 ,310,720,000
This is nine months and he is saying his "placement specialists" will find affiliates for over a billion people.
Carry it to a year and you are over 83 billion spots.
He will certainly end the unemployment crisis!
This is just one of the reasons that Double Up Dollars ended our affiliation with Joe Schwalenburg. I fault myself for not running these numbers before I signed on.
I am a very savvy internet marketer,, give me a staff of ten thousand and I still couldnt do that.
We have changed our entire presentation around and added a bunch of disclaimers. We even tell people the vast majority of network marketers fail. When we said 10% was a goal, we meant it. We might never hit it , but by keeping it as a goal we will always be striving to get better. We would love to hit 3% in a year. I don't know if we can, but we will try.
But to lump Hanna and I in with Joe, is just not fair. We were duped. That is that. We paid to get a "license" for his software. Instead, we got hooked into a crook that made promises that no one in the world could keep.
This is why we broke all connections with Joe Schwalenburg
Best Regards to all
Dr. Bob (aka Robert Gube-Zitrin), and Hanna
1052 Montgomery Road,
apt 1009
Altamonte Springs, Florida, 32714
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re: Quattro Education System - Quattrolearning.com / Dr. Bob Scammer
Originally Posted by
Dr. Bob
Dr. Bob and Hanna again,
As for some of the people in the program. We dont do a background check on affiliates. If we find people doing wrong things, they are warned, and can be thrown out!
Regards again,
Dr. Bob and Hanna
954-822-6786
If that is the case, you should check up on Russo and you should make sure your opportunity is not being advertised on Adlandpro (Scamlandpro).
A bit of checking on your affiliate Dion Wynn, who has splashed his ads for Double up Dollars all over Scamland would not go amiss.
Dion Wynn promotes Double up Dollars in Scamland.
Type http://www. then adlandpro.com/ad/1511968/Double-Up-Dollars.aspx?index=2&total=7&cat=327&country=226&r egion=3773&area=67372
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re: Quattro Education System - Quattrolearning.com / Dr. Bob Scammer
SteadyFastCash blog
Yep, the people I'd go to for my investment advice.
NOT !
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing
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re: Quattro Education System - Quattrolearning.com / Dr. Bob Scammer
Hello Little Round Man,
You are 10,000% right. We were brand new to the HYIP things at that time. We lost 10k in Zeek. Made a few bucks in Profitable Sunrise, lost in Add Wallet, gofun, sol-r.
We realize now what these things are, we no longer promote them. By the way, after Zeek we told everyone, risk money only, you could lose it all!
We made a mistake, we corrected our mistake. By the way, you might have noticed that other than double up dollars which we have now changed to make it more compliant and this weekend will be changing it again, to make it even still more compliant, (which will severely hinder promotion), was Dec. 19, 2012
Even with the programs that we lost with, we had with us maybe 10 people except for Pro Sun where we had 62 people, who all made money as we advised them that this was a gamble and we advised going in with small risk only money and to pull their money out from day one, no compounding.
We now see that these are all phony and dont promote any of them anymore.
One thing you will notice about Hanna and I, when we promoted these things, and if you want, I can put you in contact with each and every person we put on these programs, when we made money, they made money. When we lost, they lost.
We were not the guys on the top of the program making all the money while the others lost.
We try our best to be straight with people.
But you are of course correct, we did promote these things, IN THE PAST, LAST DATE DEC 19, 2012 SIX MONTHS AGO.
We are now onto these programs. (we still play them ourselves, kind of like going to a horse race, but we no longer promote them to others.
We hope little round man that this clears things up. We hide from no one that is why I gave everyone on this forum our contact info so you dont have to go crazy finding out who we "really" are.
With much respect,
Dr. Bob
954-822-6786
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re: Quattro Education System - Quattrolearning.com / Dr. Bob Scammer
You're talking to the wrong person if you think I'm in the least concerned about who you "really are"
You promoted and continue to promote illegal HYIP ponzis.
Saying you are "gambling" or that you "won" or that you lost when others lost doesn't alter that little factoid one bit.
IOW, there's very little material difference between "then" and "now" other than the fact you say there is.
And, we all now know how accurate your "recommendations" are, don't we ???
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing
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re: Quattro Education System - Quattrolearning.com / Dr. Bob Scammer
Originally Posted by
Dr. Bob
Hello Little Round Man,
You are 10,000% right. We were brand new to the HYIP things at that time. We lost 10k in Zeek. Made a few bucks in Profitable Sunrise, lost in Add Wallet, gofun, sol-r.
We realize now what these things are, we no longer promote them.
With much respect,
Dr. Bob
954-822-6786
You no longer promote them! Don't give us that rubbish!
You use people like Russo and ponzi advertising sites like Adandpro, TalkGold and MMG to do your dirty work for you. If you think you can use people and communities like those and get away with saying that you do not promote HYIP type programs, you must be crazy.
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re: Quattro Education System - Quattrolearning.com / Dr. Bob Scammer
I will check into it path2prosperity, thank you.
Doc
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re: Quattro Education System - Quattrolearning.com / Dr. Bob Scammer
sorry path, I was answering the wrong person. I dont use people like Russo, or anybody else. I dont even know who they are. I am sure they are members from what I have read. But there is no convincing those who wont be convinced. I can give you all the facts in the world and you will just keep on trashing me. I give up. What would you like me to do?
I am keeping our program legally compliant, in fact, at the advice of council I am making more changes this weekend.
I have 3700 people enrolled in the program, do you think that I can check what ads each of them are putting out. If people post crap that isn't true about amway, is that amways fault.
You give me a solution instead of just trashing me. And by the way, adlandpro, talk gold, mmg, I didnt know what those sites even were until i saw it in your posts.
I mean people on this forum are just posting stupid stuff like making fun of my looks.
You give me a solution and if it is valid, I will try to implement it. Not something stupid like get out of the internet marketing business. You give me a valid solution and I will try to implement it.
I don't know if you notice, but I take you guys seriously and want to make you happy, (now I am sure some idiot will write if you want to make us happy commit suicide or some other nonsense like that!)
Whether or not you guys know it, I don't want to be thought of as a scam. So tell me, what do I have to do to make myself not a scam in your eyes?
Or is there nothing I can do? If so, tell me that also.
Regards,
Dr. Bob
[contact info removed as per the rules]
Ps if you would rather call me to discuss it, I would be honored to talk with you or soapboxmom or anyone else for that matter.
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re: Quattro Education System - Quattrolearning.com / Dr. Bob Scammer
Dr. Bob,
You are shoveling a load of $hit. You have been or are currently involved in all sorts of scams and questionable business opportunities. If you wish to keep digging your hole then by all means do be my guest!
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