Thread: Traffic monsoon. Better than MAPS with trusted admin Charles Scoville

Originally Posted by okosh

If you read the article you will see where the 4 billion member BS claim came from.....Unless it was a typo and should have been million not billion....

The admin claims there are almost 3 million members and one of the admin's complaints about Paypal is that he can't extend the program to the countries Paypal doesn't service. A little deeper look would have given the reporter this info. He didn't do his job properly, and by doing so, he served the other side more than he served the victims.

So,

who was at the meeting concerned and can say with any accuracy the claim of four billion members was NOT made and the reporter got it wrong ??

Ponzi owners, pimps and shills lie and exaggerate - that's why they have so much rah-rah at public meetings, and they'll say whatever it takes to make people reach for their wallets.

Unless Traffic Monsoon is bigger than either Zeek Rewards or Telexfree, we know for certain Scovilles' claim of having three million members is the usual HYIP ponzi B/S, so it would come as no surprise to me if someone at the UK meetings DID claim Traffic Monsoon has four billion members.

The whole TM "story" is based on lies, exaggeration, half truths and errors by omission, so why would anyone be surprised if someone threw in a new one ??

Originally Posted by littleroundman

Ponzi owners, pimps and shills lie and exaggerate - that's why they have so much rah-rah at public meetings, and they'll say whatever it takes to make people reach for their wallets.

Ponzi owners, pimps, shills and activists lie and exaggerate - that's why a responsible reporter has to do his own research to not mislead the public even further.

Originally Posted by littleroundman

Not the sharpest crayon in the box, the most astute businessman or the best HYIP ponzi admin I've ever come across, is he ???

If he gets away with laundering a few million before disappearing right in front of everyone and under his real name and being a U.S. citizen, he isn't that bad of a conman.

Originally Posted by okosh

Fingers and toes crossed that the Feds know he's expected in Las Vegas on Saturday 6th of Feb and that they there waiting to greet him with silver bracelets upon his arrival.

They can't track people they want the most, do you really think they are looking for Charles?

Charles doesn't need to be tracked. He isn't hiding. If they want him, they'll get him in a minute. The question is, do they want him?

Originally Posted by E2014T

Ponzi owners, pimps, shills and activists lie and exaggerate - that's why a responsible reporter has to do his own research to not mislead the public even further.

I fail to see how Penman is misleading anybody.



"THEY say now boasts more than four billion users"

Not Penman, not the reporter, Antonia Paget says, "THEY" say it, as in: Traffic Monsoon members at the meeting.

He then goes on to express his surprise at the fact if over half the worlds' population of 7.4 billion people is involved, he hasn't heard about it.

Originally Posted by stacy532

If someone sees a positive post about the monsoon God himself has to prove its validity..

Yes, because none of the promoters, yourself included, have EVER been right about one of these programs.

Originally Posted by stacy532

If someone post negativity of any kind its instantly accepted as truth with no possibility of ever proving it incorrect..

Of course there is, where are those independently audited financials that all but a child should demand viewing before investing dime one?

Originally Posted by stacy532

disclaimer : no statement that i make on this wonderful forum about the monsoon has anything to do with its legitimacy that is something you have to investigate for yourself..

Disclaimer: people making disclaimers like this are simply not credible enough to be giving investment advice hemming and hawing about what might be in some distant fantasy universe.

Disclaimer: there is not enough information available to perform proper due diligence therefore no further review is warranted.

Disclaimer: since the investment funds are not segregated from Scoville's grubby fingers a major rule in preventing fraud has been violated, witness Paypal debacle, or is it?

Disclaimer: If you think you will be paid like a physicist to click 10 ads per day you are a ninny that will continually be taken advantage of.

Disclaimer: I have ZERO problem calling this an outright scam, but by all means investigate for yourself. Maybe thousands of serial pimps internet entrepreneurs finally got one right.

Originally Posted by littleroundman

I fail to see how Penman is misleading anybody.

By omitting the actual claim the admin himself makes to run the con. It's a matter of opinion, but I think the reporter should have dug a little deeper, no matter how much it stinks.

Originally Posted by ribshaw

Maybe thousands of serial pimps internet entrepreneurs finally got one right.

They didn't get it right in terms of legitimacy, but if the admin is ambitious enough, they could have gotten it right in terms of how much money can be made and how wide it can spread across the globe. Not saying TM is that thing, but the industry is actively looking for ambitious admins to re-coop the losses from LR shutdown.

Originally Posted by E2014T

It's a matter of opinion, but I think the reporter should have dug a little deeper, no matter how much it stinks.

This would be true of much of the press I'm afraid. With that said, a company claiming 4,000,000 participants and such a questionable model should have a PR department and not duck reporters.

If Pennman had wrote "endless recruiting" and "" it would have been enough to expose TM for what it is. The shorn will never believe a word, much less verify footnotes.

Originally Posted by littleroundman

I fail to see how Penman is misleading anybody.



"THEY say now boasts more than four billion users"

Not Penman, not the reporter, Antonia Paget says, "THEY" say it, as in: Traffic Monsoon members at the meeting.

He then goes on to express his surprise at the fact if over half the worlds' population of 7.4 billion people is involved, he hasn't heard about it.

As much as I dislike to, on this occasion I have to say AMEN!

Originally Posted by E2014T

They didn't get it right in terms of legitimacy, but if the admin is ambitious enough, they could have gotten it right in terms of how much money can be made and how wide it can spread across the globe. Not saying TM is that thing, but the industry is actively looking for ambitious admins to re-coop the losses from LR shutdown.

A very few people make lots of money in Ponzi/Pyramid scams, I don't think I have ever claimed otherwise. That money comes from suckers, idiots, and the not yet informed. Not much can be done for one and two, my efforts lie with the third group.

Originally Posted by ribshaw

This would be true of much of the press I'm afraid. With that said, a company claiming 4,000,000 participants and such a questionable model should have a PR department and not duck reporters.

If Pennman had wrote "endless recruiting" and "" it would have been enough to expose TM for what it is. The shorn will never believe a word, much less verify footnotes.

Let's get the numbers straight once and for all. The company claims 2.8 million members, half a billion of purchases since inception and a current capital around 50 million (with a debt to members of 10 million).

What the pimps claim to their downlines might as well be 4 billion members and trillions of transactions in all countries in the world, but that's not coming from the company.

As for ducking reporters, who wants to be in a tabloid, even if the company was legitimate?

ETA: The reporter was superficial, but we don't have to be.

Originally Posted by stacy532

nope do you have one ? ive never seen one ...

Nope, just seen them on the boob-tube(telly,tv,box)

Originally Posted by ribshaw

That money comes from suckers, idiots, and the not yet informed.

There is a fourth category - each other. There are most likely quite a few smaller-scale admins piggybacking on TM, the ads in TM are a gold mine to get sign ups for other schemes, not to mention the gamblers lose and win to each other.

Originally Posted by laidback

Nope, just seen them on the boob-tube(telly,tv,box)

You watch too much TV. The GPS monitoring devices are largely ineffective as a crime prevention tool.

Can anyone spot the problem with Traffic Monsoons' proposed new "Mastercard" ???

Well, other than the fact it's not a Mastercard, it's a debit card, what other strange feature can you see ??



No ????

Ever seen a debit card with both Mastercard and Visa on it before ???

Originally Posted by littleroundman

Can anyone spot the problem with Traffic Monsoons' proposed new "Mastercard" ???

Well, other than the fact it's not a Mastercard, it's a debit card, what other strange feature can you see ??



No ????

Ever seen a debit card with both Mastercard and Visa on it before ???

LOL. Must be Charles dreaming to become the first card issuer in the world who combines the benefits of both networks on the same card.

Originally Posted by E2014T

LOL. Must be Charles dreaming to become the first card issuer in the world who combines the benefits of both networks on the same card.

I've never seen either with a 35 year expiration either...!

Originally Posted by laidback

I've never seen either with a 35 year expiration either...!

Well, they don't smoke regular herb in Dubai. He might be in a little over his head.

Don't worry, Stacy will explain all of this shortly. With a disclaimer and references to bread business.

Charles Scoville | AdHitProfits & PTC | The True Story of AdHitProfits & PTC

In The Beginning
FEATUREDPosted on April 14, 2015
In 2008 Charles Scoville was unemployed. During the height of the global economic crisis finding a job was very difficult.

Charles searched everywhere to find a job. He interviewed for jobs he was qualified for, but the number of job openings were few. He was advised more than once the positions were filled, but that he was a match and he should try again in 6 months.

Charles searched diligently through monster jobs, yahoo jobs, and many other job seeking sites. In Craigslist, being one of the places he looked through looking for employment Charles came across an ad for an energy drink company just starting up. He thought to himself “this might be something I could get behind because I enjoy energy drinks.”

As it turns out the energy drink company was MLM. He decided to join and try selling energy drinks to people he knew who also enjoyed them. Charles wasn’t successful at selling the energy drinks because people saw it was MLM, and they weren’t interested in MLM. So Charles decided to try marketing online to find people who would be interested in energy drinks that were sold as part of an MLM opportunity. This is where Charles came across safelists, traffic exchanges, and other marketing sites targeted for home based businesses. Because he did not have a lot of money he, instead of paying for ad service, surfed other ads to earn advertising credits to promote the energy drink MLM replicated website.

One ad that Charles saw repeatedly from many different affiliates was for TVI Express. He joined it because it looked like it would be an easier. He would be selling discounts on travel and thought more people would be interested in discounts on vacations than energy drinks. He started to promote TVI Express’s discounts, but like before didn’t have a whole lot of success.

There was a TVI Global Assist team that basically helped people get involved in TVI Express for a lot less money, and gave an opportunity to earn the entry expenses. This really stood out to him so he decided to plug into their marketing system.

Continued:

Paid to Click
FEATUREDPosted on April 15, 2015
Charles Scoville decided to develop his own website and lead capture page, and started to see a bit more results. He became a lot more successful promoting the marketing system using his own website and lead capture system, and found that referrals always wanted help in a place to advertise. They wanted help in growing their downlines.

Thinking through their problem, and also seeking a way to make it easier for referrals to grow their downline he decided to launch a PTC site, which would allow people to earn their entry expense of $37 through clicking on sponsored ads.

So Charles launched tviptc.com — but shortly after its launch, the global assist team stopped building TVI Express, because their vacation platform stopped working, and was no longer providing the vacation packages. In other words, the opportunity became a pyramid scheme, selling people to join, but not offering any actual product/service.

So, he removed TVI Express as an option with the PTC site, and moved forward just rewarding people cash for clicking on ads. Eventually members began to request that Charles open another PTC (paid-to-click) site. They said they knew Charles is trustworthy, and it’s hard to find good admins.

Charles Scoville met the request by opening InfinityBux.com.

It grew very well, and became very popular. It was even more popular than his first PTC site.

At the same time Charles was attending LDS Business College, in Salt Lake City, Utah. At one point he was talking about the success of his PTC business with one of his professors. His Professor suggested that he should open 6 of these sites. This was based upon the 3 Ms principle. (Market, Margin, and Multiples.) There’s a big market for PTC sites, and having multiple sites would increase overall profits.

So, based on this advice Charles opened another site; BuxSecure.

Around this time, people who were apparently jealous of his success started to spread rumors. They said things like; he was opening another PTC site was because they thought he was running out of money; or that they thought he was trying to pay off debt from one site by opening another. The fact is that these rumors were completely false. The truth is that his businesses were making good money. So he proceeded to move forward to open a total of 6 ptc sites and ignored the false rumors.

The following year Charles’s PayPal account came under attack from fraudsters. Is it possible it was linked to the jealous haters seeking to shut down his PTC success? The fraud attack resulted in the loss of PayPal, which caused the funds in PayPal to be frozen for 180 days per PayPal’s security policies. He couldn’t touch the funds, nor count he use them to make payouts.

The only other processor that Charles had available was Payza (at that time it was called AlertPay). Charles was able to successfully maintain instant withdrawals through Payza for members on all 6 sites. Then in Oct 2011 Payza lost their credit card processing ability. This made receiving payments difficult because members weren’t able to pay their normal way.

He tried adding Google check-out, which would have worked well but Google checkout does not allow PTC sites. He added Solid Trust Pay to make it easier for members to make purchases, but at that time PTC users weren’t all that keen on using STP.

Everyone wanted PayPal, but Charles couldn’t use PayPal during the Payza outage because PayPal had permanently limited the PayPal account associated with the PTC network. Again, their limitation was due to no fault of his. He simply couldn’t use PayPal on the PTC sites. So with the funds pending in PayPal, and Payza receiving little funds in, but mostly out—The Payza account ended up running out of funds (at that time Payza was called AlertPay). Since there weren’t funds available from Payza for payouts, some people were waiting for their withdrawals for more than a month.
This unfortunately gave the original group of jealous people an opportunity to spread more rumors and an excuse to point to as their proof for their rumor that he was opening PTC sites to pay off debt, and to suggest that the sites weren’t sustainable.

These were again all just rumors as Charles was quickly able to overcome the payment gateway obstacles and within six months everyone was paid, and instant withdrawals were returned to all 6 ptc sites by the summer of 2012.

Continued:

PTC continued
FEATUREDPosted on April 16, 2015
The PTC sites had launched in March and July 2010, and were still successfully paying. At this point the sites had been successfully paying for over 3 years, with only a six month period of delays in 2011. For some reason people insist on focusing on the small period of delays instead of the vast time before and after with successful instant payouts.

So in April 2013 Charles Scoville launched AdHitProfits. AdHitProfits was a new site that sells advertising services and shares the revenues from ad service sales amongst its qualified members.

Everything with the ptc sites were working just fine. Payouts were instant until Nov 2013 when Payza’s funds held with Obopay were seized by the US Dept of Justice. Obopay had lost their money transmitter license.

As soon as that happened, Charles placed notice on all 6 of the PTC sites of what was going on. It was published on site news, the login pop-up page, and inside the member’s internal mailboxes, which were required to be viewed before they could click ads. Each member most certainly read the news.

Charles did not receive any new incoming payments at that point nor any time going forward. He wanted to first get the Payza issue resolved. He relentlessly following up with Payza and the US Dept of Justice about this issue with no results. Those funds are still seized until this day, and have impacted many online businesses and individuals.

After publishing the news on the sites for over six months, he closed all 6 sites in Aug 2014.

Some wondered why he didn’t just use funds he had elsewhere. The reason is because ezybonds stole a substantial amount from AdHitProfits, and he had to be sure AdHitProfits would be able to support 100% of member balances in the AdHitProfits system.

Charles made major sacrifices to make sure AdHitProfits member account balances were completely covered. He simply didn’t have enough to also cover all the ptc account holder funds on top of that.

The closing the PTC sites was primarily due to no one logging in anymore. The sites were dead. The members had moved on, and most understood that the Payza(AlertPay)/Obopay issue was obviously not his fault and were not blaming him for things that were outside of his control.

Payza(AlertPay)/Obopay funds were seized from Payza by the US Dept of Justice Nov 2013, and it was no secret this had happened. Many other sites were impacted, and many businesses had to close because of the problem.

At the time funds were seized nearly $67,000 were held inside Payza(AlertPay), which would have more than covered the member account balances on all 6 of the PTC sites.