Thread: Traffic monsoon. Better than MAPS with trusted admin Charles Scoville

Originally Posted by Gina

Hi Stacy, Pardon me for asking, but what do you do for a living? I'm just curious. Thanks!

Stacy works part time as spin doctor for TM and as full time bitch for Charles(TM admin)....

Originally Posted by stacy532

you can make fun of me all you want

I'm not making fun of you. I'm trying to undo the damage the so called industry has done to your thought process because you are one of the people who got caught up in fraud without realizing it's fraud. Obviously, I'm failing miserably in doing so, albeit not for the lack of trying.

Originally Posted by stacy532

you guys hate the ponzi admins i get that

I'm an ex-player. I don't hate ponzi admins. Quite a few of them are very interesting and even likable people outside of their profession. I hate what they do to people who are too ignorant or too naive to understand what is happening.

Originally Posted by stacy532

. And i will agree for every 100 programs started 98 of them are scams ..

Mathematics is an exact science "stacy." 98% may be your guesstimate but it is utterly meaningless because nobody could produce an accurate figure without factoring in "the rate of change" and to do that you would have to use calculus. If Charles gave you that figure, please ask him to endorse it with calculus formulae.

The accurate figure is 100%, and no calculus is required, just common sense. Even if the admin doesn't intend to scam initially and is just ignorant as the members, the model itself will force the admin to scam eventually.

Originally Posted by E2014T

The accurate figure is 100%, and no calculus is required, just common sense. Even if the admin doesn't intend to scam initially and is just ignorant as the members, the model itself will force the admin to scam eventually.

Agreed "ET" but I was feeling a bit pedantic when I posted my opinion on Scoville's daily BS.

Judy, please don't confuse Stacy with concepts from calculus. He can't count properly so he ends up paying his downline out his own pocket every time the inevitable happens.

I've always thought ponzi / pyramids disguised as traffic exchanges were rubbish, so I decided to consult an expert ponzi / pyramid player and pimp to discover what REALLY goes on behind all the "I got paid" posts on the usual suspect HYIP ponzi forums:

Originally Posted by littleroundman

I've always thought ponzi / pyramids disguised as traffic exchanges were rubbish, so I decided to consult an expert ponzi / pyramid player and pimp to discover what REALLY goes on behind all the "I got paid" posts on the usual suspect HYIP ponzi forums:

Yeah, leave it to Stacy to ruin a good scam with his truth telling. Like I said, he doesn't belong in the industry.

Originally Posted by ribshaw

This isn't a court of law, this is a forum to keep people from being scammed. It's up to the person asking for the investment to prove they are innocent. Since all we are reviewing is a bunch of pie in the sky ramblings of serial scammers there is only one presumption any sane person would make.

This is a key point. We are not going to anyone's house and taking away their freedom and locking them up and trying them and putting them in prison or fining them. We are maybe prepared to provide information to law enforcement or others who regulate business.

But the main point here is about "burden of evidence" In criminal law the burden is on the prosecution to prove guilt.

This isn't a criminal trial. Realscam are not depriving anyone of freedom or locking them up!
In fact it is the other way round. Scammers and their ilk come here and make claims about their scams. If they are making the claim it is for THEM to support it with evidence.
Also if and when it comes to law the big money cases are civil law not criminal. In such cases the burden on the prosecution is on "balance of probability" and not on "innocent until proven guilty". So you can sort of be 60% wrong e.g. say the damage caused cost $10,000 then you could be found liable for $6,000.

Originally Posted by stacy532

i hate program jumpers you know the flock of victims that chase that quick buck .

So when Charles jumps to a new scheme as the Monsoon collapses you will hate him for jumping to another scheme for a quick buck?[/quote]

Originally Posted by Beacon

So when Charles jumps to a new scheme as the Monsoon collapses you will hate him for jumping to another scheme for a quick buck?

Nah, at this point he'll be holding on to Charles for his dear life and begging Charles to train him to scam. Why? Because Stacy's regular employer is not going to put up with this sort of publicity for much longer. That's what I'm trying to explain to Stacy - he has to choose which world he wants, normal or criminal, and stick to one. There is no sitting on two chairs here.

Originally Posted by stacy532

Surveys

As long as someone doesn't have to pay up front to learn about being paid for surveys there shouldn't be a problem. I have two friends that from time to time sit around with the other house husbands talking about their favorite detergent and potato peelers.

I would warn people about Mystery Shopper Scams | Consumer Information, cause that's how we does it.

Originally Posted by stacy532

Im talking about moneymaking online in general it looks as if it is frowned upon quite heavily ..

Other than a power cord scams haven't changed a lick in the past century.

If it involves "endless recruiting for fresh money" or "endless selling of some magical boxed system" it's pretty easy to identify a scam. Legitimate moneymaking has a vast retail component where a huge majority of the customers have no involvement beyond exchanging cash for product.

Originally Posted by stacy532

Options market
Binary
Forex

I consider these to be legitimate businesses ripe for scams, misrepresentations, and return gouging fees. Endless recruiting for some genius money manager, mystical black box trading systems that never lose, and overpriced training/funds should cover the spectrum.

I The Ins And Outs Of Selling Options | Investopedia and on occasion buy options. On the "buying" occasionally I take a pure gamble, usually I do so to Hedge Definition | Investopedia another position.
If someone asks me if they should buy options, my first response is going to be something on the order of expect to lose ALL your money. Does that mean someone should rush out and be an option seller, probably not. Or at least not the way the gurus tell you it can be done since mathematically all the buyers and all the sellers net negative after transaction costs.

I feel very comfortable I could stand on a seminar stage "teaching trading", but why bother if I can sit at home with my family and actually trade? Since I need a buyer for what I'm selling, why tip my hand and further dilute an already hyper-competitive arena? Conversely, I could run money for others and via fees make multiples of what I earn trading. Which is exactly why Wall Street pumps out so many crappy products to dump on the public. For me money management brings a ringing phone, hand holding, and nose wiping. No thanks to that.

Anyone thinking they are going take some system, sit on their ass a few hours per day and pull a living out of the any financial market is very likely deluding themselves. Thoese selling them that garbage telling them they will liars. At the same time, I don't believe money management is something that simply can be turned over to others like an oil change or pedicure. One needs to at least know enough to know when they are being lied to. Buy a few used programs on EBAY for pennies on the dollar, read a few books, then put them on the shelf and consider Index Investing: Introduction | Investopedia for a large percentage of family money.


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Originally Posted by stacy532

work from home industry..
Im referring to
Paid to click
Get paid to
Cpa.
Paid to promote
Pamm accounts
Paid to surf
And last but not least
Traffic exchanges

If it piles, smells, and is surrounded by buzzing like BS...

https://www.sec.gov/investor/alerts/ia_pyramid.htm
https://www.sec.gov/answers/pyramid.htm
The telltale signs of a pyramid scheme | Consumer Information
Business Opportunity Scams | Consumer Information
Starting an Internet Business | Consumer Information

https://www.sec.gov/answers/ponzi.htm

Originally Posted by okosh

Stacy works part time as spin doctor for TM and as full time bitch for Charles(TM admin)....

It's only a hobby, you know. This is Twilight Zone. Stacy is laughing as his life is going down the toilet and I can't watch this train wreck any more. It's too disturbing.

Originally Posted by littleroundman

I've always thought ponzi / pyramids disguised as traffic exchanges were rubbish, so I decided to consult an expert ponzi / pyramid player and pimp to discover what REALLY goes on behind all the "I got paid" posts on the usual suspect HYIP ponzi forums:

Nothing wrong with lowering his expectations
He is expecting to get a signup from every click he gets .
If you use company issued boring over saturated referral links you will have a 10k to 1 signup vs click through. Trying to get him to do a little work nothing more..

Originally Posted by Beacon

So when Charles jumps to a new scheme as the Monsoon collapses you will hate him for jumping to another scheme for a quick buck?

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Im talking about the members that pull down every program .
Fund once with10$ and then get mad cause they cant retire from it . then they jump to the next new episode and do the same . they join 30 programs at once and spend 10 bucks on each one . listening to those bs leaders that say join me to finacial freedom .. I dont like when anyone sugar coats an opportunity it does what it does dont lie AND say its best thing since sliced bread..

Originally Posted by path2prosperity

Mathematics is an exact science "stacy." 98% may be your guesstimate but it is utterly meaningless because nobody could produce an accurate figure without factoring in "the rate of change" and to do that you would have to use calculus. If Charles gave you that figure, please ask him to endorse it with calculus formulae.

Im glad you said this cause most of the time i see conjecture math when folks bash the monsoon . they seem to know how long it will last how much is going out and how much is coming in . all this and they have no access to any real numbers..

Originally Posted by stacy532

Im glad you said this cause most of the time i see conjecture math when folks bash the monsoon . they seem to know how long it will last how much is going out and how much is coming in . all this and they have no access to any real numbers..

There's are reasons we have no access to any real numbers.

Originally Posted by stacy532

Im glad you said this cause most of the time i see conjecture math when folks bash the monsoon . they seem to know how long it will last how much is going out and how much is coming in . all this and they have no access to any real numbers..

you are more than welcome to provide independently audited numbers - especially since you are asking others to invest otherwise you won't make your own money back.
I mean, you did get an independent audit before you decided to invest right?
That is the responsible thing to do right?
and cry as you might repeatedly, this site is a testimony to how correct it is for 'not having any numbers'.

Originally Posted by stacy532

I dont like when anyone sugar coats an opportunity

It's a scam, not an opportunity. Opportunity (to restore your credibility) is something you are losing right now by continuing the charade after you have been explained on a kindergarten level why the model is doomed to fail and hurt a lot of people along the way.

Originally Posted by Whip

and cry as you might repeatedly, this site is a testimony to how correct it is for 'not having any numbers'.

Yep. Everyone who didn't listen to the advice of the good folk on RS (myself including) has lived to regret it.

Originally Posted by Joe_Shmoe

There's are reasons we have no access to any real numbers.

Yes very good reasons
Paypal does not hand out information or finacial records openly online for all to see..
So if there are no real numbers why does everyone make up numbers to show how unstable it is or guessing the exact date of when he will stop paying .. Almost like a company pool going. .. Place your bets on the downfall of the monsoon .. My guess is August 33rd of 2033.. Lol no way to be wrong with a fake date

Originally Posted by E2014T

Yep. Everyone who didn't listen to the advice of the good folk on RS (myself including) has lived to regret it.

I have said that if paypal stops doing business with something im doing so do i . they are willing to stake their billion dollar reputation on the line and do business with the monsoon i will too. If they stop i stop .. Simple as that ..

so you'll be dragging paypal to court when this goes south?

Originally Posted by Whip

so you'll be dragging paypal to court when this goes south?

no point in that .. If they feel monsoon is too high risk to continue to business with in the future and leave the monsoon alone i will do the same .. Will the sec take paypal to court?