Re: Traffic monsoon. Better than MAPS with trusted admin Charles Scoville
lol he's not helping himself at all. Should probably have his fb profile taken down for his own protection. But then again... what would I do with all this popcorn I've bought in :D
Re: Traffic monsoon. Better than MAPS with trusted admin Charles Scoville
Saturdays with Chuck and a mug o coffee. Personally I'm only interested in the "12% daily forever" and "How to Monetize Like a Pro" but while I was in the neighborhood.
"It's virtually impossible to violate rules ... but it's impossible for a violation to go undetected, certainly not for a considerable period of time." Bernie Madoff https://www.facebook.com/pages/Scam-...98399986981403
So they lined me up with an attorney to hit PayPal like a hammer named Dennis Burke. He was a former US attorney appointed by Barak Obama. He had experience with working in the Department of Justice. He reviewed the business plan, and believed he could truly help. The plan was to use his legal services, file a lawsuit, serve a demand letter, and launch a massive media campaign which would make this whole story appear on the front pages of business sections all across the country-- so the CEO of paypal would see this as he drank his morning coffee. Then, this contact of the CEO of PayPal would rush in to urge Dan (the CEO of PayPal) to hurry and resolve to mitigate reputational damanges for PayPal. Jordan also said he believed with such large impact upon my business and its members, we could go after PayPal for damages around $200 million.
Then, he said all this help is on the table for me... but it wouldn't be available unless I signed a contract. They first wanted a percentage of funds they released from PayPal, plus a percentage of gross receipts of sales they brought into the company. After agreeing verbally, they put together a written contract. Which basically said they wanted percentage of funds released from PayPal, $200K per month, plus percentage of gross sales receipts. I asked them to remove the $200k per month, because the sales they wanted to drive would make this $200k a drop in the bucket. They agreed, and drew up the contract. I signed. I wanted what he was offering for the benefit of the members, and to save the company for everyone to benefit from for years and years to come.
Through time working with Dennis Burke, Jordan Simons, and Kenin Spivak - we experienced a lot of delays filing the lawsuit and issuing the demand letter. Finally the demand letter was sent, but it wasn't coupled with a lawsuit and also not including a full-on media blitz. There were some clauses within PayPal's terms of service which required us to discuss with PayPal's legal team the issues, and make requests. We had to try to gain resolution without a lawsuit, and attempts had to be 30 days. After trying that route, we were then gearing up to file for the lawsuit. Dennis had scheduling conflicts, and there were many other things going on too for me. Finally, it was discovered that even though Dennis Burke said he could help with going after PayPal, he actually didn't have jurisdiction. So we had to retain additional attorneys.
But what I started to notice is-- these influential connections both inside of PayPal and business professionals that could pull off a release of funds from PayPal was nothing more than attorneys they would have me hire and pay for. So why did this group Kenin and Jordan with their groups deserve to be rewarded funds released from PayPal if the actual work being done to pull this off were by these attorneys? I felt this was a tricky little scam they had setup to take money from the company without actually working for it. So I started following up asking what they are working on.. what they are doing... who they are connected with and what they are doing to pull off a release from PayPal? Not any solid answers. So, I stopped communicating with them. I felt the whole thing was a scam. Merely a grab at the money I could give to members who actually are helping the business, not pay to greedy business people who weren't actually helping me with the business.
This group didn't help increase sales. This group didn't help get funds out of PayPal, but only referred me to some lawyers who I had to pay individually to help me, and even they didn't believe in a sure win. But, after taking a break for some time and seeing pressure from the group to act quickly on getting these attorneys, I wired money to another attorney law firm to get this going, but since I took a break and explained to them that I thought this might be a scam -- they said I missed my window of opportunity for pursuing PayPal, and the people who would help me no longer wanted to help... but I still owed these people money for working. I decided not to pay anyone at all any more related to this, and just wait for PayPal to release the funds. The strangeness of all this was too much, plus there were many other things going on within the company also needing my attention.
So I said ok-- please let me know what work you have done, and bill me for that work. They didn't agree. They wanted a percentage of the company revenues, and percentage of what PayPal releases. I said no: absolutely not. We need to work out something more fair according to the work done. They resisted and said that they need to be paid according to what's in the contract. So, they filed lawsuit.
Their contract was crafty NOT to say funds THEY released from PayPal; only funds PayPal released. Their contract also DID NOT say revenues THEY brought to the company; written to reward them percentage of sales revenues. I didn't agree with paying them anything, and felt tricked and scammed. I didn't disagree with paying them for the work they had done.. I just wanted to know what work was done, how many hours, and pay them accordingly.
Where do I start? Attorneys never have jurisdiction. Courts have jurisdiction. An attorney practices in the state(s) that he or she is licensed in and can represent clients in other states upon filing the correct motion before that particular court. So, this is one of the most ridiculous stories ever. One would of course hire attorneys that are licensed in the state where the suit is filed (often where the defendant(s) reside.)
Did he just say that the attorneys sued TM? Let's have that case number and those contracts! What attorney would agree to take a cut of an obvious scam like this??? Charles is so brilliant to keep up this voluminous and vomitous public posting!
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When someone places an ad via Google they expect the ad to run and any money generated via the product/service they are offering. They don't expect to run the ad and then have Google give them all their money back plus 10% just because. That is common sense, and frankly how the world works. You want something for nothing, you end up getting nothing for something which happens every time people listen to dumbasses like Jose Nunes.
As for McDonalds, I'm not going to change my analogy each time one of these dumbass cyber grifters thinks they have some new analogy. This was posted almost a year ago, which one sounds like a real business, and which one sounds like the bill of goods Scoville and Nunes are peddling?
09-12-2015, 05:13 PM
How a real business exits.
I went out this morning for a double skinny half calf latte xtra foam and was charged $5. Was given said drink, paid for it and left.
How Coffee Monsoon Operates
I went out this morning for a double skinny half calf latte xtra foam and was charged $5. Was given said drink, paid for it, used the store's free wifi, toilet, pestered other patrons about deals I am working on, toilet again, and after I finished my double skinny half calf latte xtra foam I took the empty cup back to the register and the young lady gleefully gave me $5.50.
I said to her crikey girl with the nose ring and hot tats how ever do you stay in business, she said we make it up in volume by encouraging others to recruit people like yourself. Then something about capitalism, but all that went right over my head.
"It's virtually impossible to violate rules ... but it's impossible for a violation to go undetected, certainly not for a considerable period of time." Bernie Madoff https://www.facebook.com/pages/Scam-...98399986981403
Re: Traffic monsoon. Better than MAPS with trusted admin Charles Scoville
Originally Posted by gk1034
If you're struggling to understand why some people still cling to their TM fantasies even after reading the SEC reports, it may be that they suffer from the Dunning-Kruger Effect
"The Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which relatively unskilled individuals suffer from illusory superiority, mistakenly assessing their ability to be much higher than it really is. Dunning and Kruger attributed this bias to a metacognitive inability of the unskilled to recognize their own ineptitude and evaluate their own ability accurately. "
In simple terms, someone who is stupid (in a specific area) doesn't have the mental faculties to understand that they are stupid.
Re: Traffic monsoon. Better than MAPS with trusted admin Charles Scoville
Originally Posted by Bestbud
Sunil is still spinning his wheels....
I don't know what mind altering substances he uses, but they must be g-o-o-o-o-d! Let's see, 200 successful ad campaigns out of 160000+? that amounts to .125%! ( one-eighth percent) Freaking awesome!
It seems like in this "industry" common sense is not all that common!
Re: Traffic monsoon. Better than MAPS with trusted admin Charles Scoville
Harash Abdul, 50 mins ago:
Charles Scoville Isn’t it strange that without adpacks TM only made $2,950,836 from other services?
We weren’t told about this. Where does the extra money come from? Only from the packs right and that is a problem.
Charles won’t ever be able to pay out every single member if they all cash out with less than $3 million. So why do you keep saying there’s enough to payout everyone?
It’s certain that all TM members joined was because we thought we would get paid 110% for all packs owned. That is the only reason they bought the packs.
Plus Charles and Immy Aslam always said that 5% is from adpack purchases and 95% from other services. That was clearly a lie. So we aren’t entitled to any information. But we are entitled to be lied towards?
Anjali quoted this find on behindmlm.
So, I have a few questions:
Why would anyone outright purchase advertising when you can buy it for free plus make 10%; and if you get someone else to buy one for free, you get another 10% and he gets 10%. (Free because you get your 50 back)
Why would he/anyone think that 95% of people would not choose the ad-pack option that's available to all?
Sammy Jane That stuff you just posted don't mean anything to me..They have only been granted something temporary until it goes to court and SEC don't automatically shut down companies they also try to work with them restructure if you like if they deem it fit too...Why do people automatically assume that because SEC are involved it means the shut down of the company absolute rubbish..Like · Reply · 1 · July 27 at 6:00pm
Sammy Jane Absolute rubbish.. people are assuming just because they are involved it's the automatic shut down of a company that's wrong...SEC like to have a piece of the pie and will do what they can to negotiate and settle out of court so they don't have to court spend money not knowing if they gonna win or not..Every time a company is thriving and making a noise there will be people out there trying to ruin it..I don't know what the matter is with this world why people can't just be happy with others success..It's so wrong �� I am excited for my future in TM and it will be around for a long time...��
Like · Reply · 1 · July 28 at 3:35am
Sammy Jane I wouldn't invest in **** are you for real saying that??? Got more risk of losing an investment investing in a investment company than you ever will buying a product...You are going to be kicking yourself when TM has gone no where and no one can touch us lol ����������
Like · Reply · July 28 at 3:52am
Sammy Jane Are you joking??? I can't tell if you are seriously mentally Ill or stupid...It hasn't even got to court...There has been a temporary freeze on funds while negotiations are carried out..Wake up man!!
What you going to say when it's all over and done with and we are still trading??
Like · Reply · July 28 at 4:49am
Sammy Jane You'll probably think that there's been some conspiracy ffs man read between the lines TM ain't getting shut down FACT!!! Like · Reply · July 28 at 4:50am
Re: Traffic monsoon. Better than MAPS with trusted admin Charles Scoville
Originally Posted by h8ter
lol he's not helping himself at all. Should probably have his fb profile taken down for his own protection. But then again... what would I do with all this popcorn I've bought in :D
It is entertaining in that completely detached 'must-look-at-the-accident' kind of way, I'll grant you.
I don't usually troll. But it's times like these that Jack needs to put his oar in from time to time....
Last edited by JackTolerance; 08-06-2016 at 02:38 PM.
Btw, well done to the admins etc for finally getting on top of that whole extremely irksome fake 'deceptive site' BS that was plaguing this site for a while there. The site speed is also pretty nifty now and all.
Another day or two of that and I would have been skulking around my garden and going after my family with a pickaxe.
Why do these people always drag God into it? I've noticed that they all do it. If they had such faith in the deity, they wouldn't be in these schemes in the first place. Beacuse one of the chief tenets of most faiths is to "love they neighbour". Not "induce they neighbour to join online schemes".
And "the love of money is the root of all evil" does not seem to strike a note with them, what with their worship of expesnive cars/watches/five star hotels etc.
I could go on, but I will stop there. You get the picture.
Re: Traffic monsoon. Better than MAPS with trusted admin Charles Scoville
Originally Posted by Della Cate
Why do these people always drag God into it? I've noticed that they all do it. If they had such faith in the deity, they wouldn't be in these schemes in the first place. Beacuse one of the chief tenets of most faiths.....
IMHO, Because God is based on faith, and faith isn't about tangible proof.
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