Thread: Traffic monsoon. Better than MAPS with trusted admin Charles Scoville

Originally Posted by Gina

When did I say that? I said they had to WAIT UNTIL THEY GOT ENOUGH EVIDENCE TO EVEN SHUT HIS PONZI DOWN. OTHERWISE HE'D STILL BE AT IT.....AND OFF LAUNCHING MORE!

No need to shout....You said he's going to jail....Guess what??....He already skipped the country.....

Originally Posted by okosh

No need to shout....You said he's going to jail....Guess what??....He already skipped the country.....

Mark my words....he's going to jail eventually.

Originally Posted by Gina

Mark my words....he's going to jail eventually.

He might be dumb enough to return to the USA....But I doubt it...

They'll get him, don't worry. And it will be oh so much sweeter when they do :)

I'm shocked that Charles deleted my constructive post on his Facebook page!

The SEC can only file Civil cases. If the SEC wants to charge someone with a crime, they go to the Justice Department with their case; and, the Justice Department or the U.S. Attorney's office will prosecute.

Originally Posted by laidback

It should be noted that the SEC brings civil actions, not criminal, and as such I don't believe they have authority to restrict or restrain crooks.

Correct.
As of this time Mr. Scoville has NOT been charged with a crime.

Originally Posted by Bestbud

The SEC can only file Civil cases. If the SEC wants to charge someone with a crime, they go to the Justice Department with their case; and, the Justice Department or the U.S. Attorney's office will prosecute.

Correct.
In the US only a 'prosecutor' (ie. District Attorney [DA], etc..) can file criminal charges. Even a Judge can not file charges (except for contempt, basically) against someone.

Okay, but every SEC case I've been involved in ALWAYS ends up in criminal charges, so there's that. I get the feeling they don't even bother unless they can get a criminal prosecution out of it.

Originally Posted by Gina

Okay, but every SEC case I've been involved in ALWAYS ends up in criminal charges, so there's that. I get the feeling they don't even bother unless they can get a criminal prosecution out of it.

'ALWAYS' means without exception.
I'm pretty sure that if I did enough digging I could find at least 1 (one) US Federal Court case in which criminal charges did not follow a SEC civil case.

Instead of the word 'ALWAYS' may I suggest using the words, 'most often'.

At this stage, the focus is on protecting the assets

This can't be done as easily if the charges are criminal and not civil.

In a civil court, the assets can be frozen and therefore protected.

In a criminal matter, the defendant is presumed innocent until proven guilty, which can take years, giving him / her the opportunity to conceal or dispose of the profits of crime

TM is stopped, the assets are protected no more damage can be done, stage one of the mission has been accomplished

When there's a 95% chance of getting a conviction, the U.S. Attorney's office is "most often" happy to indict on criminal charges...

Originally Posted by nomaxim

'ALWAYS' means without exception.
I'm pretty sure that if I did enough digging I could find at least 1 (one) US Federal Court case in which criminal charges did not follow a SEC civil case.

Instead of the word 'ALWAYS' may I suggest using the words, 'most often'.

You are most correct, Nomaxim

I sincerely apologize if I offended anyone. My point is, in my experience, the SEC doesn't file a lawsuit unless they have enough evidence to convict someone criminally. They don't "get" anything out of it, and the resources expended are large. They're not just doing this for the fun of it, and I'm sure they've already put a hold on Charles' passport. If he somehow escapes to Dubai, he'll be captured eventually.

In the meantime, let us all bow our heads once more with Sunil, and contemplate the meaning of a scam.

Originally Posted by Gina

I'm sure they've already put a hold on Charles' passport. If he somehow escapes to Dubai, he'll be captured eventually.

Yea right....ROFLMAO.....Too funny....

Originally Posted by Bestbud

When there's a 95% chance of getting a conviction, the U.S. Attorney's office is "most often" happy to indict on criminal charges...

Yep, even through I'm not really up on these kinda cases. I do believe that the amount of monetary returns to the participates is something like, maybe 15% of the initial investment.

If that, it mainly depends on the funds/assets that are recovered.

In the event that no criminal charges are filed, the civil fines can match or exceed those levied in a criminal case...

Criminal charges will be filed.

No matter what else happens, Charles has already successfully ruined the lives of thousands of people along with his own...

Originally Posted by Gina

They're not just doing this for the fun of it, and I'm sure they've already put a hold on Charles' passport. If he somehow escapes to Dubai, he'll be captured eventually.

I hope he runs, the crazy could only get better. I would say it will be a long weekend for Monsooners to see if he comes home, but these folks have waited for six months, been shown they were lied to and still think its all good.

Charles seems almost delusional in some of his responses, it would not surprise me if he really figures he has this thing beat. If he had a stack of loot and an escape plan why keep running his mouth for the past month other than to be a jerk? He could have faked his death or claimed total body paralysis and these saps would eat it up.

Then again, maybe he is riddled with guilt and looking forward to a slap on the bum while showering with Kevin Trudeau in club fed?

Originally Posted by Bestbud

In the event that no criminal charges are filed, the civil fines can match or exceed those levied in a criminal case...

I don't see how no charges would be filed in a Ponzi this large. Maybe if it turns out Scoville really was sharing revenue and selling 8 great products.

Originally Posted by ribshaw

I hope he runs, the crazy could only get better. I would say it will be a long weekend for Monsooners to see if he comes home, but these folks have waited for six months, been shown they were lied to and still think its all good.

Charles seems almost delusional in some of his responses, it would not surprise me if he really figures he has this thing beat. If he had a stack of loot and an escape plan why keep running his mouth for the past month other than to be a jerk? He could have faked his death or claimed total body paralysis and these saps would eat it up.

Then again, maybe he is riddled with guilt and looking forward to a slap on the bum while showering with Kevin Trudeau in club fed?

Hey, ribby, seems like a losing proposition trying to figure out what is going on in his obviously malfunctioning cranium! reminds me of an English Literature professor I had in college. One of her assignments was to look at Van Gogh's "Starry Night" painting and write what we thought was going through his mind. Now this was a guy that took a straight razor and cut off his own
ear! Sounds like a job for a Psych Major to me!

It wouldn't surprise me if Charles states that he was just an affiliate himself. On the other hand, we all know that he wasn't living a pauper's life evidenced by his ability to travel back and forth to Dubai, the UK, the USA, etc...

Originally Posted by ribshaw

I don't see how no charges would be filed in a Ponzi this large. Maybe if it turns out Scoville really was sharing revenue and selling 8 great products.

Unless....um...a certain orange con job somehow becomes commander in chief. Then all bets are off.

History tells us criminal charges are almost a certainty.

Like night follows day, this long period of will he / won't he speculation follows every SEC civil action against ponzi / pyramid fraud and fraudsters.

It should be remembered, the SEC is part of the much larger Financial Fraud Enforcement Task Force.

I'm in no doubt Scovilles' passport has been flagged and the other agencies involved in the FFETF are on the case as we speak

Scoville has learned from his and others' mistakes.

He remained out of the country as much as possible and (attempted) to skim off as much of the money as he could before the inevitable happened

As a long term observer of these things, it's very much a matter of "deja vu all over again" with only one or two variations

Originally Posted by littleroundman

History tells us criminal charges are almost a certainty.

Like night follows day, this long period of will he / won't he speculation follows every SEC civil action against ponzi / pyramid fraud and fraudsters.

It should be remembered, the SEC is part of the much larger Financial Fraud Enforcement Task Force.

I'm in no doubt Scovilles' passport has been flagged and the other agencies involved in the FFETF are on the case as we speak

Scoville has learned from his and others' mistakes.

He remained out of the country as much as possible and (attempted) to skim off as much of the money as he could before the inevitable happened

As a long term observer of these things, it's very much a matter of "deja vu all over again" with only one or two variations

100% agree.

He will most likely be criminally charged.




He, he;
Look at Charles run!

I don't think Charles has learned from his or others' mistakes at all or TM (and all of his other illegal programs) would have never happened. And, he still thinks he's trying to restructure TM. If he feels sorry, it's only because he regrets getting caught...

Originally Posted by Bestbud

I don't think Charles has learned from his or others' mistakes at all or TM (and all of his other illegal programs) would have never happened. And, he still thinks he's trying to restructure TM. If he feels sorry, it's only because he regrets getting caught...

If Charles had learned from his or others mistakes he wouldn't have run a world wide ponzi scheme under his real name from within the USA....