Thread: Traffic monsoon. Better than MAPS with trusted admin Charles Scoville

Originally Posted by stacy532

they make fun of me cause they see me a threat or they feel the need to act like a school girl ..

Or they simply recognize the fact that you are an established ponzi player just trolling this site for shits and giggles.

Originally Posted by stacy532

one thing i hope is that they spend all their negativity and hate towards me get it off their chest that way they dont have any left when they have discussions with people they care about..

Unfortunately, engaging with little cyber criminals pretending to be innocent supporters can bring out the "negativity and hate" in some.

Originally Posted by stacy532

i could resort to the name calling cursing every 5 seconds . i could questions everyone's pedigree but i choose not to . thats me being me .

With at least one failed ponzi in your history and another one pending implosion, your pedigree is already getting much clearer.

Originally Posted by stacy532

i have no desire to tear anyone down to make myself feel or look better ...

Nope, the more I read from you, the more it seems you are the pick their pockets while patting them on the back type.

Originally Posted by stacy532

now i do joke around and i do have a sense of humor .

I guess some people do have fun while promoting an industry that ruins lives. Too sad.

Originally Posted by stacy532

all that aside i dont believe the monsoon to be a ponzi..neither does lynndel he believes it to be a pyramid scheme .. that the only reason for the purchase of service is to profit from the purchase .. i would agree if charles only sold one form of advertising adpacks . i would agree 100% but thats not the case he sells 8 other services .. can i prove that the other services makes enough money pay all the profit per package . no and i dont feel you need to as that profit if any is given is a bonus paid on top of a service.. if he cant afford to pay it he does not pay it..

Ponzi/pyramid...who cares? In the digital age, the two are practically interchangeable.

Previous and future ponzis have and will claim to sell other services. In the end, the math is still unsustainable because the "not guaranteed" ROI must be maintained or the whole thing collapses because any secondary products/services can't stand on their own two feet in the market. But let's not kid ourselves, you already know all of this as an experienced player.

Originally Posted by stacy532

where folks get into trouble is when they look at it as a passive income opportunity and that the packages are an investment .. if someone is spewing that i will swing the hammer at them and say slow your roll you do not invest here .. no way to invest .. you buy a service whether you feel its a quality service or if you even need it is up to the purchaser ..

Well, you better get busy hammering because as illustrated in previous posts, that's exactly how TM is promoted and that's exactly how Scoville wants it to be promoted. Again, if it wasn't promoted this way, it would die.

Originally Posted by stacy532

if you dont need traffic to a website then why in the hell would you buy it.. ?

For the greater than 100% ROI, silly. :) Again, something you already knew.

Originally Posted by Bestbud

Yep! The Coen brothers are pretty diverse when it comes to genres; so, I'm sure they'll be interested! ;)

Nah, they already did CRIMEWAVE back in 1986

Originally Posted by stacy532

The 45 bucks instantly turns into revenue. It cant be anything else .. It just ads to the revenue pool .. The 5$ is paid to the sponsor .. And 45$ goes into the revenue pool now if anyone gets any of that revenue is up to charles.. He does not have to give it to anyone .. He is not obligated or forced to .. One does not hold the adpack with a signed contract promising returns from it ..

You did not answer the question Stacy....You just waffled on with your scammer speak.....

I'll type slower for you this time....

Each $50 adpack creates a debt of $55...$60 in most case since most have an upline...(more like 99.999% of cases)....

How is this not a ponzi??.....

Don't be so stupid okosh.

Stacy has already told you that the revshare isn't guaranteed, so it's not really creating any liability Charles can give it or not and everybody in TM would still be happy with just the services that they purchased.

After all, look how happy everyone has remained after the PayPal freeze. No complaints, no chargebacks, nothing bad at all happening.

The traffic is so well targeted and provides such great conversions that the revshare is completely inconsequential.

Originally Posted by stacy532

all that aside i dont believe the monsoon to be a ponzi..neither does lynndel he believes it to be a pyramid scheme ..

For those at the top, it's a pyramid.

They have very little of their own money invested, and instead make their money from the amount of new members who come in from their recruitmentefforts

They have done special deals with the schemes owner/s and receive a higher rate than "normal" members

The 97% or 98% remaining members make up the ponzi component of the scheme.

Oh, and the pimps try and muddy the waters by continually arguing it's not a "true" ponzi or "true" pyramid because elements of both exist

Originally Posted by Gina

Stacy, these good people are actually trying to save you. How much money have you put into this?

Just like you Gina at the start I was also fooled by Stacy into thinking that he's a true believer and not a seasoned scammer fluent in scammer speak.....As the pages rolled by and his post count increased it became clear that he's no believer or newbie....He knows exactly what's what and how to play the game and win....

No need to be concerned about Stacy losing any money in TM....

Included in Stacy's deal with Charles for being head spin doctor and pitchman for scams run by charles is the inside knowledge directly from Charles of when to pull out in time b4 round 1 ends..Stacy got out of TM in profit weeks ago just like he got out in time in a number of other scams Charles ran(were 17 in total)....

OKAY, if it's OKAY with you guys, I'd like to bring you Frankie Calabro jrs' latest nonsense OKAY ??



OKAY, just make sure you take notes, OKAY ??

Adrian Hibbert is a typical team leader who stole 110K from this scam.....

Originally Posted by stacy532

Well for someone selling traffic it is almost all profit as he does not have to buy his product to resell it to us . there also no cost in production. So the the cake anaolgy is nonsense.. There we go with the adpacks costing money they dont cost charles anything they are simply used to keep track of what each members share in revenue is .. Just like if it was soda and we are holding empty cups waiting for someone to buy soda so we can all have a share of the soda purchased. So no there is no way to predict how much can be or will be shared.. All he can do is place a reasonable cap on tge revenue.. And there were screenshots of the reserves and a live login video on jan 11th so no word needed to be taken .. And since he froze the paypal backed share positions the payza backed ones are earning up to a level set by charles that he regulates according to sales ..

The cost of "production" for traffic is and ad pack. Each person with active ad packs = ten views a day. How many people would click on the ten ads a day if they saw no Rev share?

Ad packs are a cost to TM - $50 in, $5 to up line and $55 paid out eventually to the purchaser = -$10 however you want to spin it.

This in itself is not a bad thing as this is how Charles creates traffic to sell. Now if the sales of the other services exceeds the total liabilities of ad packs then he has something to share. Then again if doesn't (and doesn't by the way) he has nothing to share.

Ad packs have no expiry date do they. Is it true they only expire once they reach $55? In which case your 10% ROI is guaranteed. What's not guaranteed is the amount of time it all takes. Currently people's packs are reaching $55 in much less than 55 days but if took 110 days how many people are going to be happy with that.

If he had an accurate split of sales by product it would be pretty simple to work out how much can be shared.

Look out TM, there is a new game in town and it is going to destroy all the revenue sharing programs and make them a thing of the past. I just saw this promotion and I am so tempted to get in as you can see immediately how real and legal it is; AND NO PAYPAL needed:

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$53 Million Dollars – 15 Cents = $42,999,999.85!
$53 Million Dollars times 52 = Two Billion Seven Hundred Fifty-Six Million Dollars in ONE year!!

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No one needs to buy anything from me or Bing or Google in order to get paid. Hmm. Wait, I already said that.

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Well, it makes as much sense as TM and stacy's posts.

It seems the TM thread at MMG has been either deleted or moved.

Originally Posted by stacy532

Im a good little traffic pimp. ..

Yes you are. And I'd like to give you credit for offering 'seemingly' plausible explanations as to why Traffic Monsoon isn't a Ponzi.

Imagine being that lady with cancer and having Stacey explain it to her - no wonder she joined. Or anyone who hasn't spent time researching and understanding what Ponzi/pyramids are.

Many people involved in a ponzi will tell you it's not a ponzi (a la Stacey), or they didn't know.

The question is, how do we solve this problem and eliminate the confusion?

Hint: There is one common denominator amongst all these schemes from Vemma to Banners Broker to Traffic Monsoon.

I'd be interested in suggestions other than the one I've posted earlier. But frankly, after 15 years of thought and research, I personally haven't found a better solution. And so the scamming continues year after year.....

Warning people how to identify a ponzi won't help because theirs isn't a ponzi, they sell advertising. Don't they? I thought they did. Stacey explained it to me. And Charles is a good guy. He has a lot of experience as an entrepreneur. My friend is making money off this. And so on.

I think your being a little harsh on Stacy hes a fine example of a man (with a girls name). You only have to look here, on MMG and Facebook to see that he has a huge following of admirers who trust and believe every word he says, Im willing to bet he`s loved at the bakery too. Hes an upstanding citizen, no a model citizen that any country would be proud to hold up high and say "this is how we all should be". And so we should all follow his exampleof honesty, morals, character, integrity, honour, honesty (felt the need to say that twice because hes doubly honest) and considerate. Some would say he is a powerhouse of fair minded thinking and his impartial advice should always be considered. We should cut the guy some slack and allow him to express himself freely on our fine website....

YEA RIGHT... JOG ON BACK TO MMG

Welcome James.

Originally Posted by James1977

How many people would click on the ten ads a day if they saw no Rev share?

Not the top 6 testimonials so far as I can tell.

Top 6 Testimonials.JPG

https://trafficmonsoon.com/testimonials

Originally Posted by James1977

Ad packs are a cost to TM - $50 in, $5 to up line and $55 paid out eventually to the purchaser = -$10 however you want to spin it.

Leaving out the smattering of affiliate links Monsoon is really left with ads for Monsoon. If the pitch was pay $50 to advertise Monsoon on Monsoon even the dullest would shake their heads and this thing would be DOA.


Who would actaully pay money to advertise to otherss to join who would pay to join only to adver.JPG

Mix in a bit of incest clicking for those that "diversify" their scams. With Clixsense and Neobux people are actually paying to advertise, no free ads clicky clicky plus 10%.

Top Referring Sites.JPG

https://www.similarweb.com/website/t....com#referrals

Originally Posted by James1977

If he had an accurate split of sales by product it would be pretty simple to work out how much can be shared.

If Scoville had an accurate split that could be independently verified we would see the only sharing is recruiting Peter to pay Paul. I believe the closest we have is what someone can earn in a Clixsense or Neobux which as Stacy points out house the same crappy ads. Neobux gives the best range, it would be useful to know how many Ultimates have 4000 active referrals. Clixsense won't give an estimate, I believe it is fractions of a penny per click for most ads.


Standard membership with 25 referrals having an average of 1.0 clicks/day
$0.17 per day $4.95 per month $60.23 per year

Ultimate membership with 4000 referrals having an average of 4.0 clicks/day

$160.30 per day $4809.00 per month $58509.50 per year
https://www.neobux.com/m/a/

There are just too many factors in trying to determine what you can make here, sorry.
How much money can I make?

@daveyw

Could you tell us a little about your friend you've been trying to save from this ponzi?

I presume he's fairly intelligent. Any criminal record? Involved in other NWM opps in the past? Good honest family man? Etc...

And then your opinion why he got involved with this.

Originally Posted by EagleOne

It seems the TM thread at MMG has been either deleted or moved.

Yep,

a Google search gives you this:



Which takes you to this:



I think that's what people mean when they say: "shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted"

Things certainly are getting interesting in TrafficMonsoonland, and not in a good way

shades of banners broker. deja vu

The TM Ponzi Pimps "working hard" to separate people from their money:

Ian_Michael_Bigg.jpg

Originally Posted by littleroundman

Things certainly are getting interesting in TrafficMonsoonland, and not in a good way

Interesting for sure!

Traffic_Monsoon_Scam.jpg

Originally Posted by Char

@daveyw

Could you tell us a little about your friend you've been trying to save from this ponzi?

I presume he's fairly intelligent. Any criminal record? Involved in other NWM opps in the past? Good honest family man? Etc...

And then your opinion why he got involved with this.

Certainly. There are actually two friends, one I managed to make him think twice and the other were not talking to each other at the moment. I had a visit one day not long ago by a friend (lets call him Paul) who wanted my advice because another friend (lets call him John) had gone to him with what he called "an amazing way of making some serious money". Paul told me he couldnt make sense of it and didnt know if it was just another scam. He asked if he could run it by me and give him my advice. He hadnt been talking long before I knew something was wrong, I already knew what a ponzi was and it sounded very similar to me. He was at my home so I switched on the computer and asked him for the name of the company and the owner, which was Traffic Monsoon and Charles Scoville. Five minutes online showing Paul what I was finding told both of us everything we needed to know and luckily Realscam was one of the sites I found, so we both had a read on here and found not only everything we needed about TM but also about Charles. Both Paul and I agreed we should warn John straight away and tell him to get out which didnt go down well with John. He told us that he`d heard it all before and started to come out with things like "how can it be a scam Im getting paid" and "it cant be a scam because they use Paypal". Now I know after reading it dozens of times that these quotes are in the heads of pretty much all of the Monsooners and that their behaviour is something close to how you would imagine cult members to behave. I cant tell you how many times Ive brought it up with John and everytime you would think Im trying to pick a fight with the guy the way he behaves and the things hes said, to the point that now he just avoids me like the plague. So now Im pretty close to giving up on him, it is his money after all and the friction that it causes just simply isnt funny.

Ive always thought that he was pretty intelligent up until this fiasco.
Hes married, has two kids both young and has a mortgage like most people.
Im pretty sure he hasnt got a criminal record although he was a bit of a tear away when he was a kid.
Ive never heard him mention anything before about being involved in any other schemes, and he would have told me if he was.
I think he got involved because we all know he can be both greedy and selfish, especially when monies involved. Hes become blinded by the numbers on his screen when he logs onto Traffic Monsoon and thinks that its all real. Hes lied about how much hes taken out of it trying to impress people so he can convince them to join, with him as their sponsor. And a few have, mostly family and close friends. I could go on and on but I think Im probably describing hundreds of people youve already come across either online or out in the real world. Its incredible how much he has changed and in so short a period. Ive ended up spending quite a lot of time either online trying to convince people to think twice about getting involved and do some research or telling as many people as I know not to do it and again do research. The whole ponzi and scamming online world is a repulsive thing that too few people seem to know the truth and risks involved, with even fewer people doing anything about it. Or at least it seems.

Iam close to giving up on him but if theres anything you can suggest that might help, then that would be great. I cant say Im looking forward to the day he realises hes lost his money which has probably happened already because he got in just before new year and so his money is locked in Paypal.

Do you have a theory on what type of person usually gets involved?

Originally Posted by Daveyw

Do you have a theory on what type of person usually gets involved?

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WOW that list is so accurate. Ive only been exposed to this quite recently and Ive come across all of those characters.

This is just my opinion, but there is a good possibility that the TM thread will be back on the 9th. When I tried to post in a thread at MMG I got the message that my posting privileges were temporarily suspended until Mar 9. The mods may have felt it would take a week for people to calm down before re-opening the thread. It will be interesting to see if they re-open the thread on the 9th or it has been deleted.