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03-05-2016, 06:00 PM
#2676
Re: Traffic monsoon. Better than MAPS with trusted admin Charles Scoville
Originally Posted by
Daveyw
Do you have a theory on what type of person usually gets involved?
Paying people on time, at least initially, is probably the single most powerful reason these scams continue to flourish. Where is the scam if your friend is always able to get his check, or at least see his money?
Yes indeed Traffic Monsoon is a Ponzi.JPG
A lot of cult feel to what goes on in these endless recruiting schemes. Who doesn't want to be in some sort of exclusive club?
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...ple-join-cults
Who Joins Cults, And Why? | Apologetics Index
Cult Influence & Persuasion Tactics
Originally Posted by
Daveyw
John and everytime you would think Im trying to pick a fight with the guy the way he behaves and the things hes said, to the point that now he just avoids me like the plague.
I know you have been putting in some time on Facebook, is this not similar to the response you get from many involved in the Monsoon? If you have ever tried to engage someone heavily invested in MLM, you have probably felt it there too.
Endless recruiting and ridiculous ROI comes down to a series of math problems (a penny doubled for thirty days, a grain of wheat doubled on a chess board, or the world running out of people in a chain letter) most sixth graders could understand.
I don't mean that (this time) to be facetious but to illustrate a justification from those involved is almost always disproportional to a very simple set of doubts being presented.
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03-05-2016, 07:27 PM
#2677
Re: Traffic monsoon. Better than MAPS with trusted admin Charles Scoville
Please bear with me Im a bit of a noob so Ive not figured out how to use the site properly yet.
Yes its very similar to the reponses everybody seems to get on Facebook at the moment, in fact a lot of the time its word for word. Ive not known about companies like Traffic Monsoon for very long and so the behaviour is something Ive not come across very often in my sheltered but happy life, or was happy .
Im all ears if anyone has a good strategy that their willing to share that might make things a little easier. I want to try and do something about this I just dont know how. Far too many people get hurt, far too much money gets lost, the people that run them always seem to be slimy creatures and a lot of people seem to get away with it. The more I look around and see the companies (thats what they insist on calling themselves) causing this chaos and their attitude towards it, the more I detest it all
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03-05-2016, 07:32 PM
#2678
Re: Traffic monsoon. Better than MAPS with trusted admin Charles Scoville
Originally Posted by
Char
Imagine being that lady with cancer and having Stacey explain it to her - no wonder she joined. Or anyone who hasn't spent time researching and understanding what Ponzi/pyramids are.
There was no lady with cancer....Stacy admitted that....She was created(by Stacy?) just so he could take a swipe at us on FB and MMG....
The whole "lady with cancer" story just goes to show the lengths that the shills and reff whores will go to in order to steal peoples money....
ʎɐqǝ uo pɹɐoqʎǝʞ ɐ ʎnq ı ǝɯıʇ ʇsɐן ǝɥʇ sı sıɥʇ
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03-05-2016, 07:37 PM
#2679
Re: Traffic monsoon. Better than MAPS with trusted admin Charles Scoville
Originally Posted by
Daveyw
Iam close to giving up on him but if theres anything you can suggest that might help, then that would be great. I cant say Im looking forward to the day he realises hes lost his money which has probably happened already because he got in just before new year and so his money is locked in Paypal.
Would love to know what he thinks about TM now.....Does he now see TM for the scam that it is or does he blame paypal and believe the whole Charles is in Dubai setting up the TM bank BS??....
Will he join the next rev share or has he learned his lesson??...
ʎɐqǝ uo pɹɐoqʎǝʞ ɐ ʎnq ı ǝɯıʇ ʇsɐן ǝɥʇ sı sıɥʇ
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03-05-2016, 07:52 PM
#2680
Re: Traffic monsoon. Better than MAPS with trusted admin Charles Scoville
Originally Posted by
okosh
Would love to know what he thinks about TM now.....Does he now see TM for the scam that it is or does he blame paypal and believe the whole Charles is in Dubai setting up the TM bank BS??....
Will he join the next rev share or has he learned his lesson??...
Nope, he blames Paypal (surprise surprise). He honestly believes that their to blame, hell get his money back and more and Traffic Monsoon is the future. Him and his wife are in Tm but under different accounts so one of them has to either go and use their parents internet or drive down the road and click the adverts on their mobile phone.
I`d like to think they wouldnt do it again but if they believe all the crap thats come from Traffic monsoon then they`ll fall for it again. The problem is nowadays people seem to think the world owes them something so why cant they take whatever they want.
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03-05-2016, 08:24 PM
#2681
Re: Traffic monsoon. Better than MAPS with trusted admin Charles Scoville
Originally Posted by
Daveyw
Nope, he blames Paypal (surprise surprise). He honestly believes that their to blame, hell get his money back and more and Traffic Monsoon is the future. Him and his wife are in Tm but under different accounts so one of them has to either go and use their parents internet or drive down the road and click the adverts on their mobile phone.
I`d like to think they wouldnt do it again but if they believe all the crap thats come from Traffic monsoon then they`ll fall for it again. The problem is nowadays people seem to think the world owes them something so why cant they take whatever they want.
The 6 month freeze on the paypal account ends about 11th July....So 4 more months....Domain registration for TM expires this August...Coincidence??....
Your friend will work it out eventually what the truth is....Do you know how much they deposited into this scam??....Any idea who their upline(sponsor) is??....
ʎɐqǝ uo pɹɐoqʎǝʞ ɐ ʎnq ı ǝɯıʇ ʇsɐן ǝɥʇ sı sıɥʇ
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03-05-2016, 08:44 PM
#2682
Re: Traffic monsoon. Better than MAPS with trusted admin Charles Scoville
Calabro Jr. may not be able to perform his "job" and lose his TM "business" if this is his clicking hand.
Calabro_Jr_001.jpg
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03-05-2016, 09:04 PM
#2683
Re: Traffic monsoon. Better than MAPS with trusted admin Charles Scoville
Originally Posted by
Daveyw
Nope, he blames Paypal (surprise surprise). He honestly believes that their to blame, hell get his money back and more and Traffic Monsoon is the future. Him and his wife are in Tm but under different accounts so one of them has to either go and use their parents internet or drive down the road and click the adverts on their mobile phone.
I`d like to think they wouldnt do it again but if they believe all the crap thats come from Traffic monsoon then they`ll fall for it again. The problem is nowadays people seem to think the world owes them something so why cant they take whatever they want.
He should be questioning why chucky isn't sicking his lawyers on Paypal since he says he has them. It's what any prudent businessman would do with that much at stake. what could the lawyers cost..........$60,000 to get your alleged 60mil?
again, they should be asking themselves why they have to do something so ridiculous if this was a legitimate business. It's like saying mom and pop stores were never allowed to exist.
hate to say it but I feel they are past the true believer stage and know exactly what they are doing and don't care as long as they get theirs.
Haven't lost any money to online scams.......results are typical.
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03-05-2016, 11:16 PM
#2684
Re: Traffic monsoon. Better than MAPS with trusted admin Charles Scoville
For all his talk of his ponzi $. It looks like Big Time Cash works his cons out of here:
https://www.google.com/maps/uv?hl=en...AyUQoioIhQEwCg
Originally Posted by
littleroundman
In further evidence of the imminent collapse of Traffic Monsoon, the usual suspect ponzi pimps are moving into desperation mode:
Take this nonsense post in the Traffic Monsoon thread on the MMG HYIP ponzi forum from BigTimeCash
According to BTC, the fact Scoville is using his "real" name and image to promote his scheme is an indication of his legitimacy because "no one in their right mind" would put themelves in that position if he or she was running a scam.
Unfortunately for BTC, it's BECAUSE of the naivete of victims such as BigTimeCash ponzi owners DO use their real names, addresses and photos.
Think Bernie Madoff, Paul Burks, Greg McKnight, Andy Bowdoin, Trever Reed, Clayton Kimbrell.
They all used their real names and addresses and it worked for them.
The "BigTimeCash" ponzi players fell for it hook, line and sinker
The same goes for the B/S story that Paypal has frozen TMs account illegally
IF YOU ATTEMPT TO RUN A MULTI MILLION DOLLAR PONZI SCHEME IN THE USA USING A US BASED MONEY SERVICES BUSINESS IN 2016 YOUR MONEY WILL BE FROZEN.
Keep up with the times, BTC, or you'll pay the price, exactly as you're doing now.
"the owner seems really confident and even promises this one won't be going anywhere"
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03-06-2016, 03:37 AM
#2685
Re: Traffic monsoon. Better than MAPS with trusted admin Charles Scoville
Originally Posted by
Whip
He should be questioning why chucky isn't sicking his lawyers on Paypal since he says he has them. It's what any prudent businessman would do with that much at stake. what could the lawyers cost..........$60,000 to get your alleged 60mil?
again, they should be asking themselves why they have to do something so ridiculous if this was a legitimate business. It's like saying mom and pop stores were never allowed to exist.
hate to say it but I feel they are past the true believer stage and know exactly what they are doing and don't care as long as they get theirs.
I suspect you might be right whip, although I havent said anything yet. You dont just overnight turn stupid and blind to reason. Do I just give up and carry on helping the ones who actually want the help?
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03-06-2016, 04:08 AM
#2686
Re: Traffic monsoon. Better than MAPS with trusted admin Charles Scoville
Originally Posted by
Daveyw
I suspect you might be right whip, although I havent said anything yet. You dont just overnight turn stupid and blind to reason. Do I just give up and carry on helping the ones who actually want the help?
I would concentrate on helping those who want help. Your friends have already written you off and are not going to listen to you no matter what you say to them. They have joined the cult mentality of TM, and nothing you can say or do will make them change their minds.
If for some strange reason they would reach out to you with questions, then that is your opening to try again. I don't see that happening based on what you have said. You're the last person they want to talk to about TM, as well as your other friend who has tried. Sometimes people have to learn the hard way, and it can be an expensive learning lesson.
EagleOne
Author: "Robbing You With A Keyboard Instead Of A Gun - Cyber Crime How They Do It" available in soft cover and eBook at Amazon.com
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03-06-2016, 05:02 AM
#2687
Re: Traffic monsoon. Better than MAPS with trusted admin Charles Scoville
Originally Posted by
EagleOne
I would concentrate on helping those who want help. Your friends have already written you off and are not going to listen to you no matter what you say to them. They have joined the cult mentality of TM, and nothing you can say or do will make them change their minds.
If for some strange reason they would reach out to you with questions, then that is your opening to try again. I don't see that happening based on what you have said. You're the last person they want to talk to about TM, as well as your other friend who has tried. Sometimes people have to learn the hard way, and it can be an expensive learning lesson.
Thanks for the advice Eagle. Deep down I know thats the right path to take, just hard turning your back on a friend that you know is being ripped off. But you are right. Theres another thing thats worries me about them, Ive seen plenty of people online that seem to think doing this is ok and they jump from one scam to the next. I dont want to end up seeing my friends doing the same thing, they wont be friends for very much longer if they do.
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03-06-2016, 06:22 AM
#2688
Re: Traffic monsoon. Better than MAPS with trusted admin Charles Scoville
Originally Posted by
Daveyw
Thanks for the advice Eagle. Deep down I know thats the right path to take, just hard turning your back on a friend that you know is being ripped off. But you are right. Theres another thing thats worries me about them, Ive seen plenty of people online that seem to think doing this is ok and they jump from one scam to the next. I dont want to end up seeing my friends doing the same thing, they wont be friends for very much longer if they do.
That is the harsh reality faced by the hundreds of thousands of friends and family who inadvertently become exposed to the criminal world of ponzi and pyramid schemes every year.
The fallout from these things goes a lot further than "just" the immediate monetary losses involved.
Money can be easily regained,
Trust and respect, not so much
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing
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03-06-2016, 06:40 AM
#2689
Re: Traffic monsoon. Better than MAPS with trusted admin Charles Scoville
Somehow I don't think buying any of this stuff to put away as Christmas presents would be the smartest idea anyone ever came up with
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing
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03-06-2016, 06:47 AM
#2690
Re: Traffic monsoon. Better than MAPS with trusted admin Charles Scoville
The Ponzi pimps. shills and players like to claim that it is only money that is lost. It is total rubbish. Since I formed Eagle 8 years ago, I have had people call me and tell me that due to their losses: they were getting a divorce, grandparents ostracized from seeing their grandchildren, families torn apart, people losing their jobs, suicides, wives treating their husband with more contempt for them than the crook who stole their money, and friendships lost. Then we have the widow who has never worked a day in her life that all of a sudden is penniless because her husband committed suicide after losing all their money, and she doesn't know what to do. It is the dark side that the pimps, shills and players don't talk about because it hurts recruiting for their next Ponzi de Jour. I actually have a chapter about this in my book. They are not "innocent money games" as they are always portrayed to be.
EagleOne
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03-06-2016, 06:54 AM
#2691
Re: Traffic monsoon. Better than MAPS with trusted admin Charles Scoville
Originally Posted by
littleroundman
That is the harsh reality faced by the hundreds of thousands of friends and family who inadvertently become exposed to the criminal world of ponzi and pyramid schemes every year.
The fallout from these things goes a lot further than "just" the immediate monetary losses involved.
Money can be easily regained,
Trust and respect, not so much
This is what disturbs me the most.
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03-06-2016, 07:58 AM
#2692
Re: Traffic monsoon. Better than MAPS with trusted admin Charles Scoville
Originally Posted by
Daveyw
Theres another thing thats worries me about them, Ive seen plenty of people online that seem to think doing this is ok and they jump from one scam to the next. I dont want to end up seeing my friends doing the same thing, they wont be friends for very much longer if they do.
From your statement below, he may already be well on his way.
Originally Posted by
Daveyw
we all know he can be both greedy and selfish, especially when monies involved. Hes become blinded by the numbers on his screen when he logs onto Traffic Monsoon and thinks that its all real. Hes lied about how much hes taken out of it trying to impress people so he can convince them to join, with him as their sponsor. And a few have, mostly family and close friends.
If he has lied and deceived in order to pry money out of the hands of friends and family, he doesn't sound like much of a friend worth having. Many people exaggerate about what they make at a job or online, but when it's done in order to con people out of their money, that's a whole new level.
It's next to impossible to get through to someone when one of these ponzis is chugging along relatively flawlessly in the early stages, everyone is being "paid", and everybody is happy.
When the inevitable collapse begins as it probably has with TM, you might have one last shot to see if they were simply blinded by greed/desperation and are now willing to see the simple math problems these schemes have or if they have finally found the type of scam they may have always been looking to play.
Although it might be a bit uncomfortable, you could also research/investigate your friend to see if this is indeed his first rodeo in the ponzi scam world.
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03-06-2016, 11:28 AM
#2693
Re: Traffic monsoon. Better than MAPS with trusted admin Charles Scoville
Originally Posted by
Daveyw
Do I just give up and carry on helping the ones who actually want the help?
You might find your friend pulls away from you which solves several problems without lifting a finger. You after all are too negative and have J.O.B. mentality both of which will stifle his ability to help people generate passive income. Maybe try a few motivational posters in your cube, but I doubt it will help a case as bad as yours.
One thing that leads me to believe he is not so innocent is the second account under a different IP you mentioned. This is done for the purpose of cutting his sponsor out of the referral commission loop as Dandygal pointed out to me here. http://www.realscam.com/f9/my-advert...html#post86666 It's a great business and all, still no sense in paying the one that brought you to the dance.
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03-06-2016, 12:37 PM
#2694
Re: Traffic monsoon. Better than MAPS with trusted admin Charles Scoville
Originally Posted by
ribshaw
You might find your friend pulls away from you which solves several problems without lifting a finger. You after all are too negative and have J.O.B. mentality both of which will stifle his ability to help people generate passive income. Maybe try a few motivational posters in your cube, but I doubt it will help a case as bad as yours.
One thing that leads me to believe he is not so innocent is the second account under a different IP you mentioned. This is done for the purpose of cutting his sponsor out of the referral commission loop as Dandygal pointed out to me here.
http://www.realscam.com/f9/my-advert...html#post86666 It's a great business and all, still no sense in paying the one that brought you to the dance.
A sad thing is that I cant argue with any of the points all of you have made. Which for me at least is the bit that smarts a little, because Ive known this guy for over 30 years and he was or so I thought a close friend. Even though Ive known him for so long I would rather lose him as a friend than bear witness to him participaing in schemes like this, it would feel as though I was complicit to what hes doing especially if he recuits others. Ribshaw thank you for your post, its made me realise that actally yes he does know what hes doing and mustnt care about any of the downsides as long as he gets paid. The second account proves it, for me it does anyway with everything else hes said. Ill just back away from him and concentrate on trying to help as many other people as I can, theres plenty of them.
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03-06-2016, 01:53 PM
#2695
Re: Traffic monsoon. Better than MAPS with trusted admin Charles Scoville
Originally Posted by
ribshaw
I cant stand to watch this pathetic human.
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03-06-2016, 02:43 PM
#2696
Re: Traffic monsoon. Better than MAPS with trusted admin Charles Scoville
Originally Posted by
Fendaril
I cant stand to watch this pathetic human.
Me neither. If it's any consolation, the bigger they are, the harder they fall...
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03-06-2016, 05:15 PM
#2697
Re: Traffic monsoon. Better than MAPS with trusted admin Charles Scoville
Our Shazza posted a happy photograph of her enjoying lunch with her family. Many people posted admiring comments, but there was one rather sad observation from someone - to which Shazza responded below:-
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That's what I admire about these people - they're all heart.
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03-06-2016, 05:43 PM
#2698
Re: Traffic monsoon. Better than MAPS with trusted admin Charles Scoville
Watching Sharon lose it all is going to be a pleasure...
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03-06-2016, 05:45 PM
#2699
Re: Traffic monsoon. Better than MAPS with trusted admin Charles Scoville
Originally Posted by
Bestbud
Me neither. If it's any consolation, the bigger they are, the harder they fall...
So, did anybody count the number of times he said "you know" in almost 9 minutes? Not to mention the claims "it's not a ponzi" without offering any supportive evidence for that statement! NIMROD!!!
It seems like in this "industry" common sense is not all that common!
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03-06-2016, 07:03 PM
#2700
Re: Traffic monsoon. Better than MAPS with trusted admin Charles Scoville
Originally Posted by
Daveyw
Thanks for the advice Eagle. Deep down I know thats the right path to take, just hard turning your back on a friend that you know is being ripped off. But you are right. Theres another thing thats worries me about them, Ive seen plenty of people online that seem to think doing this is ok and they jump from one scam to the next. I dont want to end up seeing my friends doing the same thing, they wont be friends for very much longer if they do.
It is very sad to see that the old old story of "the Emperor's New Clothes" is based on human nature. "Spin doctors" and the old yarns to deceive people have existed from the dawn of time.
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