Thread: Traffic monsoon. Better than MAPS with trusted admin Charles Scoville

Adrian Hibbert is a right moron he was named on a list of people who owe money from Zeek 84.000 Pound he was In maps Ufun Blue Square he is a Welsh Stepsys

Just when you thought things couldn't get any more ridiculous comes:

TRAFFIC MONSOON - THE SINGLE.

...darn it LRM, now I'll be humming that b****y song AGAIN all day
Wouldn't it be funny through if all ALL its (2 million members) downloaded it and made it a hit?
Just think of the publicity! Radio play! Interviews...Glastonbury doing the 'Charlie Dance' lol!!

Perhaps it will replace "The Birdie Dance" in popularity at childrens' parties and at weddings.

Then again, perhaps not.

Originally Posted by littleroundman

Complaining to Paypal might not help. Paypal is well known for its unethical practices (as demonstrated by numerous settled and pending lawsuits) and has started out by illegally operating without licences in the states they were required to have one in. IOW, Paypal has a past even shadier than TM's owner does. Complaining about Paypal (if/when it refuses to issue refunds) might be a better strategy than complaining to Paypal.

I've been reading this thread with interest as a mate of mine has been brain washed into investing (loose term) into tm to the tune of 20k and I'm desperately trying to talk him into at least trying to get his money out but to not avail. He's even got another mate interested in buying into it so before he makes the same mistake I'm doing everything I can to persuade him not to. It's a great thread to show him but I have a quick question. I've heard mentioned a few times mmg, what is this? And can I use it to persuade him not to join? Thanks for any help.

Originally Posted by littleroundman

hee hee hee. I think they absolutely should all complain to paypal.

Originally Posted by Daveyw

I've been reading this thread with interest as a mate of mine has been brain washed into investing (loose term) into tm to the tune of 20k and I'm desperately trying to talk him into at least trying to get his money out but to not avail. He's even got another mate interested in buying into it so before he makes the same mistake I'm doing everything I can to persuade him not to. It's a great thread to show him but I have a quick question. I've heard mentioned a few times mmg, what is this? And can I use it to persuade him not to join? Thanks for any help.

Tell the one who is about to invest to read TOS: he will be buying traffic. If he doesn't need traffic in the get rich quick niche in the amount of the money he is planning on spending (read he needs to have other schemes to promote himself), he shouldn't buy it.

ETA: MMG is a discussion forum where the majority of members either participate in investment fraud or stalk people who participate in investment fraud (like the forum members here).
http://www.moneymakergroup.com/forums.html

MMG is currently owned and administrated by the same group of people who own a similar board created in 2003: Talkgold aka TG http://www.talkgold.com/forum/

Both make money by promoting illegal and legal gambling establishments to the portion of the get rich quick niche who like to talk on forums rather than participating quietly.

There is also a similar major forum ran by a different group of people - DreamTeamMoney aka DTM: http://www.dreamteammoney.com/

TM is most actively discussed on MMG - http://www.moneymakergroup.com/Traff...450&start=5450 That about covers it.

Thanks for your reply mate that's helped clear a few things up for me and given me at least something to hit him with. I was running out of ammo to be honest. Is what tm are doing illegal? Obviously it's a ponzi and I thought they were illegal or am I wrong? If they are illegal then why is nobody doing anything to shut it down along with all the others I've found since looking into this? It's a shame that so many people are getting sucked into this but that's greed for you. It's opened my eyes to a whole new world out there of people willing to rip people off of their hard earned money, very sad. Thanks again for your reply much appreciated.

Originally Posted by Daveyw

Is what tm are doing illegal?

It's not illegal to sell traffic, it's illegal to misrepresent the purchase as something other than buying traffic - as income from home, as investment, as whatever else promoters are telling your friend it is to get him to spend. The bottom line is, while the program is at its peak and you have schemes to promote, you'll make money from buying traffic in the niche. However, if you are a regular person looking for something legit, best to stay away altogether.

Originally Posted by Daveyw

If they are illegal then why is nobody doing anything to shut it down along with all the others I've found since looking into this?

Good question. Ask the state of Utah what's holding them up. The Feds aren't going to do anything until it starts affecting the country as a whole - which might happen if/when TM sets up its own (illegal) payment processing system.

I know that their selling traffic (closed traffic by all accounts) but the bones of the business is obviously a ponzi even I saw that so why can't the law see that? There seems to be absolutely loads of these sites so there must be millions being lost, but nobody can do anything about it?

Surely the whole thing is a misrepresentation? How long do you think the tm steam roller will last? And no I've no interest in buying into anything like it, I like being able to sleep at night.

Originally Posted by Daveyw

Surely the whole thing is a misrepresentation?

Sure, but that's the name of the game in the niche, you don't make money by being 100% honest in it.

Originally Posted by Daveyw

How long do you think the tm steam roller will last?

There are two ways it can go:
1. Charles was able to meet up with people in Dubai who will help him out to setup the payment processing system. This would give TM a rocket boost for a few more months, if not a year.

2. If there is no payment system other than Payza or SolidTrustPay, it's over now in terms of payouts. The traffic will last a little longer while people are catching up on getting clue about what's going on.

Which way it goes? You'll know in a couple of weeks one way or another.

Originally Posted by Daveyw

I know that their selling traffic (closed traffic by all accounts) but the bones of the business is obviously a ponzi even I saw that so why can't the law see that? There seems to be absolutely loads of these sites so there must be millions being lost, but nobody can do anything about it?

Law enforcement is hopelessly underfunded and understaffed. Only scams causing horrendous monetary losses and those on Dateline NBC are guaranteed to get the attention that they deserve. So, many obvious scams fly under the radar. That doesn't mean such scams aren't operating illegally or unethically. It all boils down to money and staff.

Originally Posted by Daveyw

There seems to be absolutely loads of these sites so there must be millions being lost, but nobody can do anything about it?

Nope, no one can do a thing about it. If they could, they would have done already. They can shut down individual programs and payment processors, but others will appear to take their place. The money is too good for the niche to disappear entirely.

The latest from Charles and Imy:

Payments communications from Immy & Charles.
We're right now closing deal with a new payment gateway and getting superior help for resolving all problems. A script will be written tonight and video professionally done then sent to all members.
We expect news to be ready tomorrow with plan for moving forward and upward...
Charles Scoville.

Odd isn't it that there is not an update with Imy being involved, yet he is not the CFO or part of the management team. This type of update should have come from Charles and the CFO, not Charles and Imy. Get the idea that the new CFO is in name only? Of course when his CV was blown out of the water as being all lies might have something to do with him not making any comments. It sure looks like he is the CFO in name only.

Originally Posted by Daveyw

I know that their selling traffic (closed traffic by all accounts) but the bones of the business is obviously a ponzi even I saw that so why can't the law see that? There seems to be absolutely loads of these sites so there must be millions being lost, but nobody can do anything about it?

We're all doing lots about it Daveyw, it's just that alot of our work with the Authorities, Police etc can't be reported. The major obstacle we've always faced is that without complaints from the affiliates concerned, the Police can't/won't act.
The BEST way to end these scams is to publicize them and print the truth about them. The majority of people who do proper due diligence and apply a little common sense know a scam when they see one.
Good Luck persuading your friend. 20K is shocking

Daveyw:

Let's assume that your friend who put in $20K also got just 10 people to put in only $10K. Ask him how TM can pay him a 10% referral commission on the $100K, which is $10K and at around 60 days return $22,000 back to him for a total of $32K from his $20K investment? Does he really believe that by merely clicking on 10 ads per day TM can generate that type of return for him? Also ask him how does he know that all of the ads that he purchased actually were run as promised? What business is he advertising with TM? If a real business, and I don't mean other money making scams, how many sales has he made from his advertising or were people just clicking on his ad to get their 10 ads per day clicked?

Remember, this is not TV. Law Enforcement does not complete an investigation in one hour, one day, or one week as they do on TV. Investigations take time, especially when there are no complaints being filed. Also remember that the major pimps of these programs will do everything in their power to keep people from filing a complaint. Their mantra is don't ruin it for everyone. All the program needs is a little more time to work everything out. Don't be a spoilsport, and the list goes on and on of trying to intimidate members from filing a complaint with the authorities.

If your friend is honest with himself/herself, they will realize they've been had just by answering the questions. Good luck and hope it works. The problem now is getting his money out since payments are down to almost nothing at the moment.

Thanks for your posts and suggestions guys it very helpful. This has all been a real eye opener for me, Ive seen messages before about earning online but I've always just ignored them not realising just how big all this is. It's only now that a friend has got involved that I've done a little digging, and I've gotta say it doesn't take much digging to see it for what it is which is another thing. I've also noticed that the people who have bought in will defend both Scoville and his scam to the end, I've never seen anything like it. I've read somewhere (could be here) that it's almost as though he's running a cult not a company. The friend who put in 20k (that's £ not $) I've known for over 20 years and I've never seen him defend anything like he is with this which I'm finding odd. I've actually given up on him but the other friend I know can't afford the loss so being a good friend I am I have to do everything I can to stop him. At a guess how many of these scams online are there? That you know of. It's all sounding like a game of whackamole but with peoples hard earned savings. As you say exposure to the scam is the key so it looks like I'm going to be busy trying to expose people like Mr Scoville to as many people as I can.

I've never seen anything like it.

Say something on this forum that other members won't agree with, and you'll see a 100 times worse. MMG is a little more moderated, they won't let you get away with throwing dirt on whomever you want. Just a heads up, if you plan on sticking around.

OK thanks for the heads up. I'm sticking round and I'll share with you guys any news or posts I do on the sites mentioned, if nothing else it should be good for comedy value.

Originally Posted by EagleOne

The latest from Charles and Imy:

Payments communications from Immy & Charles.
We're right now closing deal with a new payment gateway and getting superior help for resolving all problems. A script will be written tonight and video professionally done then sent to all members.
We expect news to be ready tomorrow with plan for moving forward and upward...
Charles Scoville.

Odd isn't it that there is not an update with Imy being involved, yet he is not the CFO or part of the management team. This type of update should have come from Charles and the CFO, not Charles and Imy. Get the idea that the new CFO is in name only? Of course when his CV was blown out of the water as being all lies might have something to do with him not making any comments. It sure looks like he is the CFO in name only.

let's face it......they said absolutely nothing anyway. It was allegedly a 'payment communication' yet not one word about payments. just irrelevant hyperbole.

Oh dear...Charles is not a Happy Bunny. Dastardly Paypal have withheld all of his millions and aren't giving it back.
But never fear. One of the TOP lawyers in the whole of the USA is on the case! No idea who...but the TOP one, the very TOP one.

'Everyone knows what the situation is. We're in a position where most of the funds are inside paypal and paypal is not allowing funds to go out. We've retained one of the top attorneys in the USA to help with this matter. Their only reasoning for holding onto funds is because we grew too fast in a short amount of time. We have a group of people here in Dubai who have been working on resolution towards making sure members get paid right away using a new payment gateway. We're getting closer to finishing the resolution to the matter. #1 goal is paying members asap while we resolve getting funds out of paypal. What PayPal is doing is not fair on our members, me, or the company as a whole. In fact, we believe it's illegal what PayPal is doing. We're doing our best given the situation, and I don't know why anyone would say B.S. when I've always been honest and open with our members.
Just know we are working on the best outcome for all members asap, which means payouts, not just payments for purchases. We have made some very incredible connections I can't even describe or release who they are, but I will just say that we are very close to the resolution of the matter at hand, and that there are plans in development for taking TM to a whole new level structurally and commercially...'

So if PAYPAL have all of Charles money. And PAYZA have all of Charles money, where exactly are these funds going to come from to pay people?

the real question is if Paypal really did just 'take their money', why is he allegedly in Dubai and not in court immediately going after that money?
If his alleged reason is true, he could really embarrass Paypal in court and get the money to put in any real bank as he would have proven the monsoon isn't the scam everyone knows it is.
I'm pretty sure Microsoft, Dell, HP, Starbucks, Google, insert legitimate business here, never had this growth issue and grew substantially faster than the monsoon.