Thread: justbeenpaid / ProfitClicking

pico3021,

Welcome to the site. I think you might be barking up the wrong tree. You are unlikely to get advice on how to perpetuate what is an obvious scam on this particular board.

Here is some constructive advice:
1,357 ways to make more money than in MLM.

http://www.talkgold.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4738924&postcount=1915



http://www.justbeenpaid.com/

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Its marketing plan is not good
May 04, 2012

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I have my doubts
Oct 26, 2011

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Comments: Everybody is raving about this program. The website is fine, speed if good, design isn't all that great but functional. I can see why people would like the content. From a psychological view the website pushes all the right buttons to get you in. The program itself is a bit confusing which is the part that I don't like. It is not very clear where the money comes from but if you dig a little deeper (read the interview) you'll find that this is a hybrid program. Some money comes from new members spending their way in, another part comes from revenue such as a Paid-To-Surf program. The program owner advertises that this is 'Indefinitely Sustainable' but I doubt that. Given the fact that withdrawals (cash flow out) are increasing rapidly in size I doubt that this is sustainable at all. The very fact that recently this program had a 'reset' illustrates just that. The cash flow in couldn't keep up with the cash flow out. Alexa here is showing us that traffic is pretty much topping. That tells us there can't be much new money coming in. No matter how you shift positions in the system and other tricks you do on paper, eventually it all boils down to stalling because it didn't change the incoming cash flow. Eventually the cash flow in can't possibly keep up with the ever increasing cash flow out. The next reset will be sooner. Now I might be wrong about this but after some discussion with people in the know I found no evidence or reasons to change my view. Up to today nobody could explain to me why this would be Indefinitely Sustainable. I'm sure the program owner will have some other tricks up his sleeve to prolong the duration of this program. But I'm seriously doubting if most people will like it as much as they do now in 6 months from now. Time will tell. Anyway, that is just my opinion against the other 9 positive ones above. Don't flame me for having an opinion ;-)

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Where is Fred Mann?

Wow, after reading through some of the WealthBooster Magazine Archive, I don't think there has been a ponzi or pyramid scam in the last decade that old Frederick Mann hasn't been a part of.... 12DailyPro, Prosperity Automated Systems, YMMSS, Reality Millions, and on and on.

Originally Posted by surfer

Wow, after reading through some of the WealthBooster Magazine Archive, I don't think there has been a ponzi or pyramid scam in the last decade that old Frederick Mann hasn't been a part of.... 12DailyPro, Prosperity Automated Systems, YMMSS, Reality Millions, and on and on.

Old Freddie might be giving Andy a bit of competition, you think??

Originally Posted by surfer

Wow, after reading through some of the WealthBooster Magazine Archive, I don't think there has been a ponzi or pyramid scam in the last decade that old Frederick Mann hasn't been a part of.... 12DailyPro, Prosperity Automated Systems, YMMSS, Reality Millions, and on and on.

I think that maniacalmoronbrain should tell us which one of these Fred lost money in, and which one he got taken by the admin. After all he "knows" that Fred did because Fred said so, and mmb believed him. Fred being such an "honest" man.

Judging by his posts, I think it's entirely probable MonkeyBrain has no idea of the existence of HYIP ponzi scams or the underworld in which they exist.

To MonkeyBoy, Surfer pointing out that Freddie Mann was involved in "12DailyPro, Prosperity Automated Systems, YMMSS, Reality Millions, and on and on" meant nothing in terms of establishing a pattern or as a pointer to past behaviours.

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http://www.talkgold.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4760705&postcount=2086

What an excellent idea.

Now, where is that bloody credit card ??

[QUOTE=littleroundman;21484]

After about 40 days, my free $10 is sent back to JPB so now I have about $5 bucks interest for my 'Legendre' effort...

Legendre:

"From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Legendre, LeGendre or Le Gendre is a French surname. It may refer to:
Adrien-Marie Legendre (1752–1833), a French mathematician
Legendre (crater), a lunar impact crater located near the eastern limb of the Moon"

Let me get this straight...After 40 days I may get about $5 bucks 'interest' (do I get to withdraw that $5 bucks?)...Then you suggest I fund my account with $1000...So, you give me $10 bucks free... I possibly/may get $5 bucks interest (not sure if can w/d)...Then you want me to 'fund' my account with $1000?...Ah'm a thinkin' this 'Legendre' effort is more a big crater than any mathematician...

Uh, why, after my free $10 bucks earned about $5 bucks interest, do I have to turn around and invest $1000? The 'math' just doesn't add up...Maybe it's just me...I never was very good at math

littleroundman: What an excellent idea.

Now, where is that bloody credit card ??

LRM, if you will 'loan' me your credit card I will gladly put $1000K into this 'crater'...You trust me...uh...this...right? (Really need 'whistle icon' here)...

Originally Posted by Nancetta

LRM, if you will 'loan' me your credit card I will gladly put $1000K into this 'crater'...You trust me...uh...this...right? (Really need 'whistle icon' here)...

Better still,

why don't I give you the serial number, P.I.N. number, CVV number and expiration date in my next post.

I mean, what could go wrong giving those details to strangers online ??


DUH !!

Interesting update on the PPBlog.

So Fred Mann admits he's a criminal and is a bit off his rocker to boot.

Originally Posted by surfer

Interesting update on the PPBlog.

So Fred Mann admits he's a criminal and is a bit off his rocker to boot.

Shhh. Don't tell 'manndownthedrain'.

Hmm, the restart began and everyone is happy.....well, not everyone. Seems there are a few people who have not been paid for several days now, some didn't get their 1.5%, and can't get into the website back office.

On cue, as soon as they posted, we had the rush of "I got paid" posts and of course the member had to have done something wrong because Fred is such an honest man and a great admin. This even happened on the MMG forum where anyone who dares raise any question or post payment issues is immediately drowned out by the "I got paid" posts and of course it is the members fault they aren't getting paid.

When this goes down, and it will, it is really going to be interesting to read all the "excuses" as to why, as well as all the moaning and groaning and crying. One just gets the feeling that Fred knows this has just about run its course when you listen to his conference calls. Of course the faithful never hear this, but only what they want to hear. The only question is will he continue until the Feds move on him, or will he try to run first.

I get the feeling he wants the Feds to shut him down so he can blame them. He knows the faithful will never blame him. As a sovereign, this will make him a hero and martyr in their eyes.

I say he runs and starts something else like Bowdoin did.

I say this one is good for a few more restarts yet....

Originally Posted by okosh

I say this one is good for a few more restarts yet....

Yep,

the pimps and shills are moving into overdrive and singing the praises of restarts,

the newbies are agreeing with them,

still some mileage in this one,

unless those really behind it decide to buck the Bowdoin/Marsden/CEP trend and snatch the money and run.

Originally Posted by EagleOne

[B][COLOR="#0000CD"]I think that maniacalmoronbrain should tell us which one of these Fred lost money in, and which one he got taken by the admin. After all he "knows" that Fred did because Fred said so, and mmb believed him. Fred being such an "honest" man.

Thanks for this and the last posts in my "I make a fool of myself" thread. :)
There is no question that Fred knows all the ins and outs as well as all the perils of running a bad HYIP. It gives me more confidence and reason to say that the old man probably knows what he is doing. You, on the other hand, consider his experiences in those programs as a bad thing. Well, how can you build a better program than those who failed without knowing those who did and why???

Originally Posted by EagleOne

[B][COLOR="#0000CD"]Hmm, the restart began and everyone is happy.....well, not everyone. Seems there are a few people who have not been paid for several days now, some didn't get their 1.5%, and can't get into the website back office.

It has been exactly as I said: Fred waited several days to fund its merchant accounts from his own bank account at a rate of $100,000 dollars per day (which is most of the payment processors' funding limits). That didn't include all the "Triplers" that were converted into JSS positions and which reduced JBP's liabilities acquired before February 17, 2012.

The restart took place when all funding was completed and triplers' conversions balanced JBP's financial sheet.

On cue, as soon as they posted, we had the rush of "I got paid" posts and of course the member had to have done something wrong because Fred is such an honest man and a great admin. This even happened on the MMG forum where anyone who dares raise any question or post payment issues is immediately drowned out by the "I got paid" posts and of course it is the members fault they aren't getting paid.

Well, you should question why people aren't running in throngs upon throngs, pushing and shoving you out of the way to make a line at the BBB to file complaints of fraud. There is clear evidence that JBP has an enormous amount of members now. You would think that after operating for more than a year, there would be at least one single complaint filed against them by now. Some say JBP has close to a million users, but I can't confirm that.

When this goes down, and it will, it is really going to be interesting to read all the "excuses" as to why, as well as all the moaning and groaning and crying. One just gets the feeling that Fred knows this has just about run its course when you listen to his conference calls. Of course the faithful never hear this, but only what they want to hear. The only question is will he continue until the Feds move on him, or will he try to run first.

That's your opinion all over again, Lynn. To put things in perspective, each time you've predicted that the end was coming, you have been consistently wrong about that.

I get the feeling he wants the Feds to shut him down so he can blame them. He knows the faithful will never blame him. As a sovereign, this will make him a hero and martyr in their eyes.

More hearsay. Your feeling is wrong and it makes no sense from the business stand point. Fred is making more money than anybody, not only because he is the biggest sponsor of it's own program, but he is probably paying himself a nice salary as the owner of the company, and which he rightfully deserves.
So, to assume that he wants the "Feds" or anybody to shut him down is a ridiculous statement at best coming (not surprisingly) from you.

Let me get this straight...After 40 days I may get about $5 bucks 'interest' (do I get to withdraw that $5 bucks?)...Then you suggest I fund my account with $1000...So, you give me $10 bucks free... I possibly/may get $5 bucks interest (not sure if can w/d)...Then you want me to 'fund' my account with $1000?...Ah'm a thinkin' this 'Legendre' effort is more a big crater than any mathematician...

Originally Posted by Nancetta

Uh, why, after my free $10 bucks earned about $5 bucks interest, do I have to turn around and invest $1000? The 'math' just doesn't add up...Maybe it's just me...I never was very good at math

It is YOU....Nobody is asking you to deposit $1K.....nobody is forcing you to deposit any specific amount of money, but if you really want to cash out the free $10, you are going to compound the 2% interest on your gift for about 112 days.

Here is another tip, if you want to expedite receiving your whopping $15, , just buy one TRIPLER position ($10) and in only 68 days you can withdraw $25. That is $15 (your bonus) + $10 (your deposit).

Now, do you "clearly" get the idea???

Originally Posted by MoneyMakingBrain

That didn't include all the "Triplers" that were converted into JSS positions and which reduced JBP's liabilities acquired before February 17, 2012.

This was inaccurate of me. The exact date, according to Fred, was April 7, 2012.

Hmm, could it be there are signs that there may be chinks in the armor of JBP? A lot of people not getting paid, others who accounts are frozen with no expanation, problems accessing the site, conversations banned about customer- service related issues on the conference calls, support tickets not being answered for weeks or more, and of course members E-mails hacked.

As in true Ponzi fashion, as soon as these posts start showing up on the Ponzi Forum threads for JBP, we have the obligatory "I got paid on time, what a great and honest guy Fred/admin is, if there is something wrong with your account it's your fault."

And now comes the dreaded "P" word.....Patience. Usually this word is not used until there are massive payment issues with people not getting paid posting on the forums. For them to be trotting this word out now, could mean that there are many not getting paid that do not post on the forums. They have to keep up this front that all is well in JBP-land so they can sucker even more people into this Ponzi.

No doubt the next few weeks are going to be interesting to see if the number of member complaints rise regarding all these issues that are happening now.

Just found one from Uganda promoting this on Facebook:

https://www.facebook.com/naturinda1

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It has grown very fast and steadily and now, people from all over the world converge to cerebrate its presence daily, it does great life and has created daily smiles each time members check in!
You are missing daily money from JSS tripler and 50% profit on any savings you make, on addition to 10% commissions on saving members you bring.
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News of nonpayments must not have reached some people. MONEY TRIPLER - what a joke!

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Maybe MMB could go over and be a leader for them! Fred would probably appreciate that!

Originally Posted by scratchycat

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Their own PAGE!




Maybe MMB could go over and be a leader for them! Fred would probably appreciate that!

Can't you just see him telling everyone that he knows who they are due to his IP Detector and web bugs! Now that would be worth reading.

More people having their accounts frozen, payments being delayed, issues with STP, and can't access the website.

What is truly fun to watch at MMG is all those who are epxressing 'issues' with not being paid, can't access the website, and then the immediate posting of I got paid on time as always. Straight from the Ponzi handbook.

They're a sympathetic bunch of cheerleaders over at JustBeenPaid.

This poor guy is one of the low level members caught up in the payout problems:



What does he get ?? Sympathy ?? Offers of help ??? Suggestions ??

Nah, in true HYIP ponzi player fashion he gets: