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The latest dribble....

Hello from sunny Thailand.

Quick update just to deaden the growing anxiety.

Mark held off deleting the other subscription, he said he needed to discuss a bug in the financials table with me before he did it, that was just before I left the UK. I am now waiting for him to come onto skype so we can update each other... there is really no need to send in a ticket, everything will be put right. Also, we are going to be changing the subscription system yet again for a much easier one, this is more a need of the current situation... more later.

I also believe that the fault with the processor choice is linked to the same bug, or mark would have done it.

I am in touch with Chris regarding AP issue at the moment, and i am waiting to hear back from him in the next 24 hours before i choose the correct course of action to take. I currently have a great plan to give us full revival, but it relies on Chris, but he does have a very heavily vested interest in working to help us. Trust me on that.

I have to make this announcement.. This is very very very important.

IF YOU HAVE STARTED AN AP DISPUTE... CANCEL IT!!! THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT.... IF YOU HAVE MADE A CLAIM OR STARTED A DISPUTE YOU MUST CANCEL IT. THIS IS FOR THE GOOD OF THE PROGRAM!!!

This is the only thing that will prevent us from being able to issue refunds to all members from 60 to 90 days. If AP puts a full lock on the account then that is it... Chris can't do the refunds if he wanted to. We will need to use the courts to get it instead and that will also end the claims, so you won't win anyway.

Once i have talked to mark, I will give you a technical update.

thanks.

Dave.

"Need to use the courts to get it" lol. The chargebacks must be quite alot more than anticipated. I hope people don't fall for the "cancel the dispute" garbage as it's way too late and the only hope they have is alertpay giving the refund.

That last update looks suspiciously like it was written by Lolalola.

It looks like one of T2's top pimps, Faith Sloan, has abandoned ship. As expected, the post was immediately deleted by Lolalola - knowing she would do that, I copied it as soon as I saw it:

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Posted Today, 06:39 AM
Chris will cooperate but funds are frozen.
Chris will be sued
Chris will cooperate and funds are frozen
Chris will go to jail
Chris will cooperate and there will be a transference of the AP account and the funds are accessible
Chris is in deep doo-doo
Chris will not cooperate and won't transfer the AP account and no new AP account from Dave
Chris will now cooperate and give AP Refunds instead of just sitting on AP funds which he can't withdraw.

and on and on ...

You guys must admit that this is kinda hilarious at best.

Let me know when something is CERTAIN.

Meanwhile, we continue compounding ...

I am Reallllllllly looking forward to SOMETHING of SUBSTANCE.

Faith Sloan

Deleted post restored by Lolalola after accused (in another deleted post) by Sloan of using Gestapo tactics.

Originally Posted by Danni

It looks like one of T2's top pimps, Faith Sloan, has abandoned ship. As expected, the post was immediately deleted by Lolalola - knowing she would do that, I copied it as soon as I saw it:

Looks like Lola forgot to fill up the Kool Aid fountain over there.....Members are starting to see through the BS from admin....

Dave,

I appreciate you wanting to turn T2 around, but we really need you to be straight with us. We are getting a lot of contrary messages from you. Please what is the real story. So much of this just doesn't make sense, whether it be the Alert Pay situation or your dealings with Chris. Why won't Chris turn over the Alert Pay account to you? Does he want a percentage of the business or ?? Please, what is the true story? What is the hold up? What does Chris have on you that he won't relinquish the AP account? I think I can speak for others when I say we just want honest answers.

Also what happened with the simplefreeweb.com website? It isn't there anymore.

I have stopped compounding too. Like you said, doesn't make any sense.

I also thought there would be a group discussion here but it is not happening. I don't like to wait any longer and I am under a lot of pressure from my few downlines too. I wish something positive would happen. Dave said a lot of things that he'd do to Chris if he (Chris) doesn't transfer AP account ownership to him. I wonder if Chris would agree to Dave's new proposal now after what he said he'd do to him. It seems to me that Tripler2's life depends on Chris now. If Chris supports, T2 moves. If he shows his back then......

I am still hoping that some sort of restart or restructuring would take place this very week.

I wonder how many, if any of the "members" will wake up and admit it's ALL made up and NONE of it is true.

They're HYIPs, people.

Do you go out in the yard and check for prehistoric monsters every time you play "Dungeons and Dragons" ??

Do you check the skies for alien invaders after you stop playing "Space Invaders" and before you go to bed ???

Geez, get a grip,

THEY'RE NOT REAL.

It has been suggested that Dave (David Bell/Peakr8) is merely the frontman for this scam, the real operator/s having long deserted ship after emptying the 'chrisdar65' AP account. Apparently Ken Russo's T2 sponsor is David Reid. A response from Ken to his downline in the pre-launch days:

"The is no doubt that Frederick has delivered a real gem to the marketplace and, as I discussed in my original advisory, the JSS Tripler program continues to perform and grow nicely. I have spoken many times with Frederick over the years. I have not yet had the opportunity to meet or speak with David Bell. However, my Tripler2 sponsor, David Reid, has been communicating with him frequently during the past few days."

David Bell's alleged business partners includes one 'David Tung', of whom no other mention has been made since the launch. It's possible that David Tung and David Reid are one and the same person.

Latest update from David Bell:

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Posted Today, 05:57 PM
Hi.

Here is a quick update regarding the T2 site.

Currently we have closed the member's area to control the compounding and further purchases of DPs.

As you all know, we are experiencing some problems with access to the alertpay funds, thanks to my poor choice of business partner in the setup stages of T2.

We will be keeping it closed for the next few days until we know exactly which course we will be taking with regards to a recovery from this problem. At the moment there are 2 courses of action depending on the outcome of the next 24 hours (or less).

Those who have been following the updates and forums will already be aware of the situation, however, despite this, some are still confused as to what is happening with the alertpay withdrawals freeze, so just for those who don't like to read updates here it is for the third time.

Chris Kayne suggested starting this program and asked me to help him, after I was challenged to do so by cheerleaders (and staff) of justbeenpaid.com. Normally I would not accept the challenge, but as Chris contacted me via moneymakergroup.com offering me his 'expert' coding services and also stressed that he already had a fully business and bank verified alertpay account, I decided to have some dialog with him.

This dialog was conducted via Skype chat, and we discussed the possible format and marketing of the project after which I decided to give it a try, because I truely believe that this industry can be vastly improved and moved out of the ponzi realms of which I abhor. So after I insisted on getting his ID and proof of address etc, which I had checked out, we went ahead and set up the project.

During the coding up of the website, Chris would periodically disappear off the radar claiming that he had problems with family, or work etc etc... this got more and more frequent by the time launch was ready, and a lot of members will remember that we had a 2 week gap between opening for registrations and actually opening upgrades. We were already past the point of no return, after I had funded certain aspects of the setup from my personal money and set up the marketing.

On top of this, Chris proved himself on many occasions to be a serial liar, and also kept certain important things from my knowledge which were always unearthed eventually. There were also irregularities in the accounts, of which i insisted on access to all of then AP, STP and LR but was constantly refused. Also we were receiving a lot of complaints that support tickets were being deleted unanswered, When i challenged him about this, he denied it, and so i monitored the situation, and when he said he was going to log in and do the tickets, i also logged in and noticed that 50 tickets disappeared in the space of about 2 minutes. This is when I finally decided he had to go.

We had already taken a reasonable amount of money, even though I was able to track the AP balance live via the admin panel using their API system, the STP and LR accounts I was not able to. Chris also (at first) agreed totally that he was indeed not worthy of being involved. He agreed to transfer all accounts to my name, which is why I set up the trip to the UK so I could open my own accounts and get them business verified, which I did.

Shortly after agreeing to all this, he contacted me through Skype and launched a volley of four lettered abuse at me and claiming that it was his sole intention of bringing down T2, and that he was also going to get me 'put in prison' for running a ponzi, which we had spent weeks formulating a method for it to not be a ponzi... I believe he was drunk at the time, he also said that it was his mission to make my life hell, and that once i am safely in prison, he would take T2 for his own... I still have the entire Skype chat logs from day 1. A few days later he apologized and said he would help.

Once I was in the UK Chris then started making excuses that he had to be in this part of the country and then that part of the country, and avoided a face to face meeting with me at any cost. He was also ignoring all my emails, and now and then would send one to say that he was now in another part of the country and had 'no internet access' despite owning an iphone, and the UK having 100% internet coverage.

After I managed to negotiate the transfer of the STP account with the help of their CEO, I was informed that he had been withdrawing funds to a credit card issued in the name of Jordan D Barker. This stopped as soon as he was challenged, and this was all backed up by the transaction history of the account. The IP address for the credit card registration was based in Sheffield, UK which is Chris's hometown. Chris denied all this ctivity that went on up to the 29th Nov. Then later tried to assert that i had known and approved, hmmmmm. Why would I ever do that?

Anyway, after threats to involve the police, he handed over the LR funds, and then after an audit of our database I challenged him further regarding some discrepancies totaling around another $5000 which he said he had 'forgotten about'. This was forwarded to me.

Yet I was still insistent that he hurry up and transfer the AP funds to my control, this was met with excuse after excuse, and then finally, AP froze the withdrawals on the account, but still kept open the deposits, this was under their 'limited access' policy, and was regarding 'extra verification' from Chris which he was not providing. I had already verified my own account and Chris kept insisting that he had to give them my documents which I had already given them 'twice'. I had also called alertpay to ask if this was part of their transfer needs, to which they replied to me that under no circumstances would they EVER ask a user to supply the identification of anyone other than themselves. they also advised me not to give out my verification documents to other people, which i would never do anyway, especially not someone like Chris who had up till then proven himself to be a degenerate, lying internet fraudster.

So that is the sticking point with the alertpay issue, and there is actually nothing I can officially do with regards to getting any dialog open with alertpay if it has anything whatsoever to do with the T2 account. If I had seen this coming, I would have been on a plane before we launched and opened my own accounts, I live in Thailand, and it is impossible to verify any accounts to a Thai bank or address.

But I do call them regularly asking for advice and giving the scenario, as to know how to progress. But without the co-operation of Chris, I am left stranded. I contacted the UK police who said that it was not something that they could really do, because technically the accounts were not in my control, and that also Chris is only really responsible to those who made actual payments to his accounts. So I would have to take civil action against him to get any results, but as far as a criminal case is concerned, this needs to be as a result of a complaint made by someone who actually did a transaction, and who believes that there was fraud involved.

Now then.. how do we sort out this mess? Well, 16 hours ago I contacted Chris will a full and final demand that he start issuing refunds starting with the oldest first, and working forward. Obviously there will be some shortfall because of withdrawals and commissions etc... but it is a start and a good basis for a restart with or without AP in the future.

Anyway, the upshot is, that as usual Chris is non-responsive, and he actually told me a few days ago that he is bulletproof, and that he has done no wrong, and is calling my bluff regarding legal action. This could not be further from the truth. The facts are clear, he has done wrong and he has stolen, and he is lying and blocking progress.

One of his reasons for not wanting to surrender control, is that he wants people to file disputes, and get the entire account locked. This could be to cover something up, or it could be so that he can take advantage of the 30 day dispute rule and the 180 day suspension period after which all funds (some $160K) would be released to his bank account and I would be the one left holding the bag with all the out of pocket members.

I have just got off the phone with alertpay (again). This time their business accounts manager gave me 30 minutes of his time after I pleaded to be heard. I managed to tell them the entire story that I have just relayed here, and he has assured me that not a single cent will be handed to Chris, no matter how long he waits. Also, they will be willing to work with the UK police and anti-fraud squad if such an investigation arises, and the best part is. If I work in a support role with the members, they will dispense with the 30 day dispute rule. I will have to issue you all with a procedure to follow so that their resolution staff are able to identify the 'bulk case' and they will almost certainly issue a refund.

We will all need to work together on this issue, I do have some ideas for the recovery and i will make these public soon, but at this moment, please do not open a dispute with alertpay until we are 100% going down this road. I also will be asking the help of the UK members who funded by alertpay, to at least file a complaint to the police to bring this whole business to a speedy conclusion.

I must at this point insist to all the members that i have done nothing to aggravate this issue, and the entirety of this is at the hands of Chris Kayne. I will be issuing his full address details over the coming days to those members in the UK who are willing to help, if Chris does not see sense and do what is right. I have been happy to overlook prosecution for him on many occasions and unfortunately he has continued to call my bluff on the matter. That will be his undoing.... What can I do?

Regarding the support system. We will keep it offline for a couple of more days while we work on the jobs we are doing at the moment. Please do not worry, we will clear all pending tickets before support is reopened. We are still processing STP and LR payments at the moment after we fixed a bug in the STP script. These will be cleared tonight.

I will issue you all with an update in the next 24 hours when I know for definite exactly what course I need to take.

Please let this be the end of all the 'alertpay' and 'Chris' speculation and assertions that he has 'something on me', or I am hiding something.... that is ludicrous.

Regarding simplefreeweb.com. That is another bone of contention, after we found that the previous owner mashed up the Google adsense screenshots to misrepresent the income which was much lower than advertised, this is in dispute and we will get a refund for it. I also disputed unreported liabilities with the deal... the previous owner had been selling upgrades of 'unlimited reseller VPS' accounts with unlimited domains, bandwidth and diskspace for $19.00 FOR LIFE. They sold many accounts (of course you will at that price). Then they pocketed the money and we have to provide hundreds of accounts for life without getting a penny.... yeah right. To try to cover this up, the deleted the websites, But I still have the high traffic domains, and he is not having them back, so lets have some suggestions on what to put on there.. the domain has an alexa of 100K and has about 250 backlinks, so there should be a lot of organic traffic.

That's it for now.. I know it is not easy to smile, but please don't worry, i am working hard and thinking hard to get us back to what we should have been at by now.

If any one has the email list of their downline, can they please make sure they get a link to this update please, some of our newsletters still bounce.

Regards

Dave.

So our astoundingly brilliant business legend in his own mind, Superdave has not only chosen business partners that screwed him and the members around, he also got screwed on the Simplefreeweb deal that was being touted as such a moneymaker? And how many posts did he put up citing how incompetent the JBP admins were? Hmmmmm!

Originally Posted by laidback

So our astoundingly brilliant business legend in his own mind, Superdave has not only chosen business partners that screwed him and the members around, he also got screwed on the Simplefreeweb deal that was being touted as such a moneymaker? And how many posts did he put up citing how incompetent the JBP admins were? Hmmmmm!

I take it that the Simplefreeweb deal is not one of the potential goldmines.


2... Acquisition of assets.


Also among the T2 team, we have many years experience in webmastering and search engine optimization (SEO). So we know exactly what to look for when it comes to spotting potential goldmines. There are literally hundreds of websites for sale that have many good positive things going for them. Such as, established domain name, existing member base, good Google page rank, existing established income. However, at the same time, they are poorly optimized and run at a fraction of their potential. Therefore these sites can be generally picked up very cheaply indeed.



Not only do they add a platform for free advertising of the T2 program, but they have so much scope for improvement. We will be using only the best SEO experts in the field (I am talking first page on Google for the keyword SEO!). This would dramatically build the income from the sites. Also all of the revenue from the website family, goes out for compounding for at least 60 days before being fed into the system cash.

I notice that the management team didn't bother to post the update at MMG. Also NO posts of any kind on TG for the last 4 days. The significance is that program admins and mods tend to avoid outside forums when things go sour.

Here is the scammer trying to lay down a new smoke screen to cover their tracks! There is only so much Bulls*** people can be expected to swallow!

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Posted Today, 02:09 AM

View Postsimplynicc, on 10 January 2012 - 06:54 PM, said:
Jordan D Barker???.. Jaydabee??? What are the odds?


This post got me to checking it out, and the name rung a bell. I have seen a few post on MMG by him as a banned member, but I don't really know too much about him as I was relatively new to MMG.

I just opened the full skype chat log up and did a search for 'jaydeebee' and a piece of text popped up as follows.

[03/11/2011 18:27:45] David: yes I suppose
[03/11/2011 18:28:15] David: but in JBP the banners was just a single link
[03/11/2011 18:28:29] David: I am sure... you still have an account there, can you look?
[03/11/2011 18:29:24] Chris Kayne: nope, 2 links
<a href="http://www.justbeenpaid.com/?r=jaydeebee">

CHECK OUT THE LIKK!!

Then I did a Google search on 'jaydeebee scammer' and unearthed this little nugget.


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Old 06-05-2011, 06:42 PM
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Default Re: FastTrackCycler - FastTrackCycler.com
Date: 6/5/2011 11:10:27 AM
Reference Number: 4C9C4-A7F73-xxxxx
Transaction type: Transfer Received From
Name/Email: Jord Bark
ap@fasttrackcycler.com
Current Status: Completed
Amount: $147.00 USD
Purchase Type: Service
Shipping Details: Not Provided
Details (optional): Congratulations
Don't forget to refer to triple your profits!

My fourth payment in 1.5 days.

jaydeebee = JDB = Jord bark = Jordan D Barker.

I rest my case. I do recall him saying that he has admined a couple of bux sites before, obviously some that he was pimping in the past as well as FastTrackCycler.com which may well have been his scam site too.

If it is not him, then he is definitely working with him.

I also lifted the email mantezas5@yahoo.com from another Google result that was naming and shaming scammers and got this...

Username: jaydeebee
Email: owner.movieproject@hotmail.co.uk
PayPal Account: mantezas5@yahoo.com
PayPal Name: Mantas Sidagis
PayPal Phone: 07817235487
Date: 09/07/2009

and did a facebook search on it and turns out to be one Mantas Sidagis

http://www.facebook....s=1326244814269

I also ran a Google on the other email address and he did say at one time that he worked in movie production as a TV locations manager.. sort of fits with the email owner.movieproject@hotmail.co.uk

Found some other stuff and a lot of signings 'Jord', not a mention anywhere of a 'Chris' also here.

InterPals Penpals :: jaydeebee's Profile

He always told me he was 27, but has his age as 17 on here in 2008 making him aged 20.

So that's what i have at the moment. Probably more to come, but it really is boring looking for it all.

Link:

http://moneynetworkforum.com/index.p...page__st__1720

That drama queen Lola needs to get back on the same page as Dave....

We get it FAITH, you want to know how T2 is going to move forward. Well Dave is going to take it one step at a time. So, please don't demand or expect him to come out an give you all the answers that you want at this very moment.

There has been a lot absorbed in one day. Give him time to sort it out and come back with a proper plan and solution. He has already asked this of you.

Thanks
Lolalola

But, but, but, but didn't Dave already say days ago that he was 80% of the way there to sorting out a new begining??....

Oh the lies...The drama....And the bullsheet from these 2....

Originally Posted by Danni

It looks like one of T2's top pimps, Faith Sloan, has abandoned ship.

She been shown the door...Booted from the forum...

Yes she's been given 'a holiday' from the scam forum but is now posting on her own blog. The BS and web of lies being weaved every second over at MNF is getting too tangled to follow. I have to take back what I said earlier about Dave being merely the front man of this fraud. In light of his postings today it looks like this was a very elaborate, carefully thought out scam designed by David Bell and Lolalola themselves.

LOL he's making it up as he goes:

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Posted Today, 07:18 AM
Well... there has been yet another twist in the tale.

I have just had another email from Chris who I think is now fully conscious of his situation and has told me that he is now going to do whatever he can to get the transfer of the full account into my control. I have heard this before, but this time i think he sounds quite urgent about it.

He says that he spoke to AP last night and they are very happy to do the transfer, and lift all account restrictions.

I am now going to send in all my documents in a support ticket to AP and email the ticket number to Chris who will phone AP asap and confirm the support ticket number to collect and verify the documents and they will proceed with the full transfer and the lifting of the restrictions.

Sp alls well that ends well, and Chris gets away by the skin of his teeth.

But lets save any celebrations until i have the full control. then we can tak restart, because all these problems have created a mess in the system, and all still needs to be made good before we move forward.

thanks for bearing with me.

What next from this lying scammer (Dave/Peakr8)?

The latest pack of lies from admin

Yes I plan to do that next anyway. His time is now up. His goose is cooked and we will move forward, and let him clean his own mess up.

I will be issuing my testimony and that can be used as evidence.

I have a lot to do now. I need to put together the recovery plan in full, so that everyone will know exactly what is happening with the program. I can bounce back from this mess, and we will be strong again, even if we shrink in membership, we still have a solid foundation to work off.

This time there will be no Chris to ruin things and I will have ultimate control.

I have other things to think about also, I still need to get the slide rule out concerning those who are all running for the door. I would much rather just refund them and close their accounts rather than them doing daily withdrawals.

But anyway. We will need to close the member area for a couple of weeks while we adjust all the accounts and set up the coding to be bug free. As well as get some extra income streams in place ready for the restart, as next time, members will have to earn their 2% daily.

On an end note. When I did my audit last week. I noticed that not a single cent came from member DP sales money to pay out other members. Every bit of money that has covered all the withdrawals so far has been generated from upgrade fees. that makes us officially NOT A PONZI. Not even by the slightest element, and that is the way i want it to stay, which is why we are overhauling the whole subscription system, and to simplify things, we are making it mandatory to pay a subscription, based on the amount of DPs you have in your account. Everyone will be subscribed from the same day to also keep things simple. This makes it a lot easier for the coding, and everyone knows where they stand. basically everyone need to have their set amount in their main account on the 1st of every month.

We will set the rates so that people are still making good profits from their DPs but will put a much larger amount of money in the system, and create yet a bigger 'ponzi buffer'.

Again this is all part of the bigger plan and all will be revealed as soon as i have got it established that we are able to get every member a full refund.

What do you think ??

Is he setting up for round 4/5/ whatever number he's up to

or

is he trying to salvage what's left of his choke, guffaw, chortle "reputation" snicker, snicker

or

Is he going to attemp............err.........start another HYIP PONZI GAME ???

LOL, Russo the scammer conducting his own 'investigation':

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Posted Today, 09:03 AM

I have been waiting patiently during this time of uncertainty. Not easy
to do for someone who has a substantial amount of AP funds and even more
STP funds tied up in the program. Since there are always two sides to
every story, I did contact Chris at the address he uses for his AlertPay
account which is chrisdar65@gmail.com On January 5 I sent this message.....

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Greetings Chris,

I'm not sure what is going on between you and David Bell. However, before
I initiate my own litigation, I would like to hear your side of the story.
Please reply at your earliest convenience.

Thanks,

Ken

12/25/2011 Payment To chrisdar65@gmail.com Completed $700.00 USD $0.00 USD - $700.00 USD
12/19/2011 Payment To chrisdar65@gmail.com Completed $140.00 USD $0.00 USD - $140.00 USD
12/18/2011 Payment To chrisdar65@gmail.com Completed $190.00 USD $0.00 USD - $190.00 USD
12/17/2011 Payment To chrisdar65@gmail.com Completed $215.00 USD $0.00 USD - $215.00 USD
12/16/2011 Payment To chrisdar65@gmail.com Completed $400.00 USD $0.00 USD - $400.00 USD
12/16/2011 Payment To chrisdar65@gmail.com Completed $300.00 USD $0.00 USD - $300.00 USD
12/16/2011 Payment To chrisdar65@gmail.com Completed $500.00 USD $0.00 USD - $500.00 USD
12/14/2011 Payment To chrisdar65@gmail.com Completed $500.00 USD $0.00 USD - $500.00 USD
12/14/2011 Payment To chrisdar65@gmail.com Completed $500.00 USD $0.00 USD - $500.00 USD
11/22/2011 Payment To chrisdar65@gmail.com Completed $500.00 USD $0.00 USD - $500.00 USD
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He replied quickly the same day. Here is his response.....

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Hi Ken,

He's caused me a lot of hassle, admittedly, I caused him a bit of hassle with code but
I'm the one that's ended up out of pocket and had to scramble to get my job back that
I had given up to work on T2. We were supposed to be partners but me sacked me of
the position (questionable) he then lied about telling the police, which when he did I went
to the police and opened my own case and found he'd lied about that.

He thinks he's untouchable, but he's in the UK and running a ponzi (essentially) so the case
he's opening against me will backfire, not only will I walk away free (I've done nothing, all
money withdrawn was sent to him via bank transfer (which he spent on flights and hotels
and stuff) and all account histories were sent to him (and accounts transferred to his name)
so he'll probably get locked up.

Let me assure you, your money is safe. There is a restriction on the AP account anyway,
and there's over 100k in there and any disputes submitted I am paying out. Stupid idea
by Dave, because that means people who have withdrawn will also get money they sent
in back, but whatever, it's his business. The accounts in my name which could mess me
up further... again... Dave doesn't think about others.

If you would like to know more, I'm happy to answer your questions.

Chris
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My response....

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Hi Chris,

Thanks for responding.

Are you suggesting that I file a dispute to obtain the funds that I sent to your account?

Any additional information you can provide will be helpful.

Ken
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His response.....

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Hi,

Yes, I'll honour them straight away. Not my money, and Dave owns the business. It's a
crap decision he's made but I can't go against it so file disputes and your money will be
returned (all of it) then use a different processor (won't affect your T2 account. except
you'll have double money invested without spending double the money... Dave hasn't
thought about that one!)

Half midnight here, I'll send another email to you tomorrow when I've had some sleep..
won't be til later in the day as I work long hours but I'll explain in more detail and show
you some of the things Dave has said/done just to get my side over to you as I'm sure
he's been telling you all sorts of tales about me. He thinks I'm using a false name, false
address, false pictures, false emails, false accounts and embezzling thousands of dollars
and accessing the account from allover the world using proxies and a load of other stuff
too... some of the stuff he suggests is truly crazy. Everything he's asked for I've given him,
I've been fully verified by all processors and I sent him stuff from my bank so he could
see my details and sent my ID and the processors have sent him the full account histories
proving I haven't been taking funds.

Anyway I'll get that email over to you tomorrow, and will honour all the chargebacks
tomorrow too.

Take care Ken,
Chris
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Chris did not send another message as he indicated he would do. On Monday I sent this
message.....

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Hi Chris,

Did I miss a message from you?

Any news?

Ken
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He did not respond. Yesterday (Tuesday) morning is sent this message to him.....

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Hi Chris,

Here is an excerpt from David's latest update....

I am in touch with Chris regarding AP issue at the moment, and i am
waiting to hear back from him in the next 24 hours before i choose the
correct course of action to take. I currently have a great plan to give
us full revival, but it relies on Chris, but he does have a very heavily
vested interest in working to help us. Trust me on that.

I have to make this announcement.. This is very very very important.

IF YOU HAVE STARTED AN AP DISPUTE... CANCEL IT!!! THIS IS
VERY IMPORTANT.... IF YOU HAVE MADE A CLAIM OR STARTED
A DISPUTE YOU MUST CANCEL IT. THIS IS FOR THE GOOD OF
THE PROGRAM!!!

This is the only thing that will prevent us from being able to issue refunds
to all members from 60 to 90 days. If AP puts a full lock on the account then
that is it... Chris can't do the refunds if he wanted to. We will need to use the
courts to get it instead and that will also end the claims, so you won't win anyway.

Can you confirm this and/or provide any additional information?

Thanks,

Ken
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Again, no response from him. I then this message yesterday afternoon....

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Hi Chris,

David's latest update paints a very disturbing picture. If it is true I would
suggest that you have committed a serious crime and that you should cooperate
fully at this time.

I await your response.

Ken
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No response. I sent this final message yesterday evening.....

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Chris,

Your lack of a response would indicate that you are, in fact, guilty of internet
theft. Do you understand the consequences? One of our members posted
these comments in the forum.....

Chris,

If you ever slip in here through an alias or have contacts that send you messages.
It is over. You will never get any more money from the AP account no matter what
you try. Right now you may think you are hurting Dave but you are primarily hurting
innocent members. We don't care what happened or what your intentions were. Do
the right thing now. The clock is ticking. We will get our funds back through refund
or through dispute. You can prolong this and make your life miserable or do the
right thing and get it over with once and for all. Authorize AP to refund our money
and your life will get much better.

Excellent advice!!

Ken
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One of the comments by Chris is particularly interesting. He said.....

"your money will be returned (all of it) then use a different processor (won't affect
your T2 account. except you'll have double money invested without spending double the
money... Dave hasn't thought about that one!)"

Essentially he is suggesting a way that I (or anyone else) could take advantage of the
situation and cheat the system. Such a suggestion points to the mentality that has led
to the situation that currently exists and which, hopefully, will be resolved very soon.

Thanks to David for hanging in there. Much appreciated!

Chris,

Your lack of a response would indicate that you are, in fact, guilty of internet
theft. Do you understand the consequences?

LOL....The pot calling the kettle black!!!!

Chris,

Your lack of a response would indicate that you are, in fact, guilty of internet
theft. Do you understand the consequences?

Why yes, yes we do.

Unfortunately, it appears you don't.

So, which one of the lads is gonna consult a REAL lawyer and contact a REAL law enforcement agency and institute REAL legal action ???

Time to retire gracefully, children.

This has now become too ridiculous even for the HYIP ponzi world.

http://www.talkgold.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4623287&postcount=141

http://www.talkgold.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4623315&postcount=142

Originally Posted by Danni

LOL, Russo the scammer conducting his own 'investigation':

Litigation? Police? LOL. What tools.

Originally Posted by Whip

Litigation? Police? LOL. What tools.

OK, so whose $3945 did Russo lose in this turkey???