Thread: Hilarious

littleroundman the first article i read at this site is your piece on MLMs and the toll they exact on perfectly functioning families. Literally tears running down my face re-living what amounts to predators torturing fish in a barrel. And Jeff, with the personality of an ashtray, took the "devil's bargain", to sell good people for scrap, so to speak. When Jeff thought he'd ruined me, he approached me about selling my property for pennies on the dollar. And was he in a RAGE when I declined.

Over the years, after dealing with people such as Jeff, Amway in general and religious hustlers, I took an interest in detecting deception. You can see it in all of Jeff's videos:

https://www.youtube.com/user/becomingorganic/videos


Someone makes a statement and their eyes give it away, if not a look they know they're being exploited, Eleanor has Dupers delight because she was an Amway distributor for decades and she sure-as-hell doesn't admit it. No, here she is, can't touch her toes! And the viewers were born yesterday! and what's with so many people with a small left eye and large right? Weird...

There are a lot of strange things get whispered around the churches they inhabit -and she makes money selling books and polar-right-wing ideology.

But I'll tell you one thing, after seeing how large a scale they can rip your life apart and wreck a reputation that so much as asks for financial statements or thereabouts (Jeff's get-rich quick schemes like wealth4all lately) - crooks.

In God We Trust alright.

The man himself:



B.T.W. the strength test mentioned by Jeff Santti has been discredited so many times I'm surprised any MLMer would be silly enough to even attempt to bring it back,

In simple, everyday terms:

Jeff Santti is lying through his back teeth when he claims the test shows the supplement improves strength

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Serious? He's not a doctor nor nurse. That color shirt isn't the mailman's

littleroundman that's funny stuff! I thought i peeked a Leonardo daVinci-type chart with the reasons why exhibit A is full of $hit LOL

well goodnight; I can sleep better knowing there's watchdogs over toxic "leaders"

if you think we've seen hell itslef, no wait... one of the links given is this one, for IBO Social:

Jeff Santti | IBO associates

"Jill Santti likes it"... Jill is Jeff's wife and works as a nurse at the Marquette County Health Department.

That poor lady used to sew together little toys Jeff would sell, hours and hours at every waking moment, then after decades of that, Jeff blew the cash on a failed restaurant.

Honestly, I hate to say this but it's true: for years I've had a health ailment and didn't' go to the Health department, not because Jill in known to have a big mouth. But if she does talk in her sleep it'd be repeated twice around the world before Jeff gets up for his morning greed affirmations!

i'm serious, these people are a cancer.

Back to the Health department, that's another reason i wish an investigation gets under way.

Originally Posted by Gina

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I think it's seriously pathetic when scammers try to fool people by tossing religion in.

Originally Posted by Katra

I think it's seriously pathetic when scammers try to fool people by tossing religion in.

Yes, because of them we can't open the door to anyone anymore.
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They make their own rulers alright! No Golden Rule here!

Originally Posted by Katra

I think it's seriously pathetic when scammers try to fool people by tossing religion in.

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Met too! This from lately:

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Note from Marquette Area:
The Good Book used to say:
* Blessed are the poor...
* You cannot serve God and money...
* The love of money is the root of all evil.
And the Good book is right once again!
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Well that got all blessed into oblivion aye?

Ladies & Gentlemen,
I must back-peddle for a second and offer an apology to Jill Santti. I probably shouldn't have brought her up out of the blue, although Jeff clearly has her stamp of approval and it's displayed publicly. But it's another unclear area why a Licensed Practical Nurse won't comment on how great the new formula is. Yet comments she likes Jeff's new business.

If you read the ingredients list for the new herbs at $54 a month, you'll see silica (sand), two byproducts of latex, pepper, etc, and it's the same old ingredients available at the gas station for 1/3 the price and I'm talking gas-station dollars!

I'll attempt to read more at this fine site - I'll take off for a while and thank you all once again for your love and sunlight. Yeah, love & sunlight

Oh shucks, I almost forgot. What does a cornered scammer do? Go on the offensive!
As you might guess, this crusade didn't last long:

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uhm... if that's too hard to read I can re-up a screenshot of something better, let me know.

For anyone finding the screenshot hard to read, hopefully this will work better:

Originally Posted by Marquette_Area

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Met too! This from lately:

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You are kidding me,

Santti was promoting Wealth4All ????

That was one of the most easy to pick HYIP ponzi frauds of 2012.

It even had its' own thread here on REALSCAM.com

The guy really is a desperado, isn't he ??

It is perplexing. Why Jeff says he got scammed so bad in the past and then offers worse scams himself? Fails the "content of your character" test. I'm gauging we're all on the same page

More Fail:



In conclusion, I'd like to thank the hosters and PMs I got from a couple members I was graciously helped. i'll leave their nicks private just to show my boundaries are healthy LOL

But Santti's network, I'd be interested in seeing who is upstream of him if for no other reason than I love my area and "love always protects".

The plot thickens...

Originally Posted by Marquette_Area

More Fail:

When will these clucks learn it is ALWAYS wise to stay away from anything with silly names like Wealth4All, Easy Money U, or Get Cash no Skillz? Off the top of my head there has never been a legitimate company with such hyperbolic naming and U-Tube recruiting.

One thing that jumps out in his video is he failed at MLM for several years by his own admission, but now has found a "real deal" program. Laughable, every scheme has many from the get rich quick crowd using this sort of "testimonial" to lure in suckers. The reason people continually fail at these gimmicks is they are scams and some are too stupid to quit and find honest work. Others know damn well they are cons, but just want to line their pockets with OPM.

The four most expensive words in the English language are "it's different this time" - Sir John Templeton

Oh... maggod. I Googled Santti's email address (with quotes):
"jeff.santti@gmail.com"

The results are the businesses behind the daily unsolicited phone calls. And Jeff works for them. Loans! Travel! Relationships! There's even a "Biggest loser" trans-dermal patch. Wow aye Jeff finally a product that worked for you.

But those results, see for yourself. Nothing prepared me for the world of scam... and that's just searching Google with his provided email address.

And Eleanor Maier is still peddling Evangelism Explosion. Isn't that nice? 86 years old they say. I suppose you may be asking, how could I be so callous to say a bad word about her actions? Is it because I was invited to a bible study with a person whose deceased father happened to be black - and the bible study the Maiers taught was about how all black people are cursed because Noah's son put a blanket on him? How do you suppose that evening went when we left?

I mean, sure we just witnessed Eleanor lying to us all on camera. But maybe she couldn't touch her toes until her old shill gave her a drink of tastes like money?

Or being led to a church group where Jeff Santti gathered the Christian men together and asked them boldly how often they masturbate? Well Eleanor is still waving that big white envelope filled with juicy tithe high above the basket every week, so her job/community influence is secure, right?

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Evangelism Explosion. They're the ones who ask the question: Suppose that you were to die today and stand before God and he were to say to you, "Why should I let you into my heaven?" what would you say?
Never mind the bible doesn't mention that dialog happening. At all. It's lambs and goats pre-sorted. No, there's no mention of a speakeasy up there. So they can quit supposing.

Years have come and gone since my bible studies at the Maiers. And noteworthy are the occasional mainstream cults who drop by to see if i'm interested. Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormonism, AOG, yet I've seen those people at the Maiers before and wonder if they run a cult school or what?

Note to strangers: if you need to study the Bible, just read it. Says the Love of money is the root of all evil. Yet the money plate passes and think of it... even with the video evidence you've just seen with your own eyes and heard with your own ears... the churches have no discernment to figure this out nor incentive to do the right thing. It's easier for them to win ideological wars against the mightiest strawmen of their own invention.

In conclusion, although something tells me there are two households who will have bags and bags of shredded paperwork on the curb this week, none of these people are from Marquette. Rejected by their own hometowns, they came here to sell, at high price, a God that doesn't know them.

Reading the Bible is still fantastic because the same kind of charlatans used to throw Jesus out of the Temple as well. In fact money-centric religious snobs are the only people Jesus turned the tables on.

Dear purists out there. I made a mistake. It should be "sheep and goats" not "lambs and goats". I whole-heartedly appologise. To make amends, I have a bonus for anyone interested.

You've undoubtedly heard preachers, pastors, shills and others ask the question "what does God want for you?". Or a myriad of questions that have the two words "God" and "wants" next to one another. As you can search in an online Bible, there is no place in that whole big book that says "God wants". In other words, IF the Good Book is really written by the hand of God moving in people's lives, the entire nature of this Creator is bastardized by characterizing God as someone who is in a state of want.

So the next time a religious person asks, you know they haven't even read what they're preaching.

There are wonderful people in the world we live who go un-thanked and unpaid, hungry and alone and oppressed and suffering. Religious people usually wont' help unless TV cameras are rolling. But at least they DO help.

The people I'm so mad at use false pretenses and even shills to swindle. That's why I've come to the conclusion God loves us so much he gets religious people out of our hair for a couple hours every Sunday. Thanks God :)

Here's a little more info why I'm concerned about the dealings of Eleanor Maier and why her decades-old Evangelism Explosion obsession (AKA Everyday Evangelism) raises red flags.

Right from the get-go, the current, official website for EE originates from a preacher who was named D James Kennedy. He was known to be as right wing as a reverse mortgage. You'll notice no matter how much he won't let you share Jesus until he gets some loot, they'll kindly help people Estate Plan for free. How nice... what could possibly go wrong?

Below: both regular money and old people money accepted
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Source: EE website

Okay, Eleanor didn't invent that, who could fault her... Now here is a direct lift from Bethel Newsletter from July 2013.

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Source: Bethel July 2013 - author Eleanor Maier

After decades of running 12-week courses on how to "witness" Jesus, thankfully another book altogether helps Eleanor to "build bridges" (I'm sorry but that looks like false pretenses) in order to get ready to really... wait, it's time for an Estate Planner again.

I blurred the names of the legal counsel so I don't get my ass unnecessarily sued off. They didn't invent it, who could fault them for wanting to help...

Below: direct screenshot the way it looks in the church newsletter
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Source: Bethel Newsletter September 2013

Now can you imagine any old person whose estate is being handled in a church?

Is it reasonable for me or anyone else to ask if any pressure is being applied for a person to donate some or all of their estate to ahem... uhm... ?

I don't use Skype, and today learned that malicious people use a Skype worm to keylog a mark's computer. I wonder if that's why some people like (ahem) insist on a Skype consultation? Maybe to size them up, and if they look rich and tech deficient...

One of the giveaways to this suspicion is, when shyster asks that transactions be handled by little known facilities. When a shyster says "no PayPal" that may be a red flag or not. PayPal is extremely secure and hasn't been hacked so far.

Maybe some fly-by-nights are afraid of the digital paper trail when great companies use great verification.

Which Federal agency would be most interested in this discussion?

Originally Posted by Marquette_Area

Maybe some fly-by-nights are afraid of the digital paper trail when great companies use great verification.

There's no "MAYBE" about it

Some of the self protection questions people should ask themselves are:

* Is the opportunity so good it's worth the risk of using an untraceable and non refunding method of payment ??

* Why DOESN'T it use Paypal and why doesn't it use any of the major credit card companies.

It's called taking responsibility for ones' own own internet safety.

When it comes down to it, anyone who relies on government action to protect them is guaranteed to lose their money and sooner rather than later

Is it REALLY worth the risk ???

Hey remember the time that Jesus got angry and started knocking the money exchangers stuff everywhere? This was Jesus and he didn't show anger much if ever before and after this event. Sooooo, you would have thought something as major as Jesus becoming agitated would leave an impression. But I guess he was just having a bad day.

Church is the best place to make connections, introduce people to exciting opportunities and scam older vulnerable people.

Grrrr! Evil incarnate I tell you!

Originally Posted by Marquette_Area

Yes, because of them we can't open the door to anyone anymore.
Ruler4web.jpg

They make their own rulers alright! No Golden Rule here!

So-o-o-o-o, this multi-gazillion dollar company can't afford a 10 cent wooden ruler for it's bogus demo? Fills me with all kinds of CONfidence...!

Originally Posted by laidback

So-o-o-o-o, this multi-gazillion dollar company can't afford a 10 cent wooden ruler for it's bogus demo? Fills me with all kinds of CONfidence...!

from the viewer's perspective, is the right hand 'before' and left hand 'after'? lol