Thread: Is Greenwood Management Aps legit or scam?

Originally Posted by Lil Ol' Radical Me

VAT is the Value Added Tax or Sales Tax which companies have to be registered for in order to offer goods and services for sale. Registering a company is not the same as being licensed to sell securities in denmark or anywhere else. If Greenwood is going to sell investments it will have to be registered in every country it sells in - whether through the internet or not. Links to the specific licenses PLEASE

You can search Google at the link I have provided here https://www.google.es/webhp?source=s...w=1309&bih=726

The Danish company registration (CVR number) is also the Value Added Tax registration number or VAT number for Danish companies.

In regards to forestry investment regulation this is not a security as such and outside of the remit of most regulators I have included some links in English below to try to help to explain this to you there are many more links I can supply.

Business7 - Insider Magazine - Latest News - THE FUNDAMENTALS OF INVESTING IN FORESTRY
http://www.clarityglobal.com/sites/d...investment.pdf

Originally Posted by Greenwood Management

This is your view and I do not want to convince you otherwise however the FSC is one (and probably the best known) of many "green certificates" but it does not mean that all timber produced under the guidelines of the FSC is done so in the right way. Their have been numerous claims surrounding certifications on unethical companies it does mean though that these companies can sell their timber without any problem in the US or Europe but really this certification is not a completely accurate measure of a company, its ethical stance or if it is producing timber products in the correct way.

FSC watch is an organization that is set up to monitor the activities of the FSC and has reported many issues whereby timber products that should not be approved under its guidelines have been. You can read more here FSC-WATCH.

Of course having some standards met is a good thing and most of the FSC certified timber is grown sustainability. However the fact is that FSC certification for wood produced for energy in Brazil is not a concern for the wood users who buy our timber. It is not the case that we go to see wood users to sell our timber and they request that it has FSC certification. They do not say we will pay you a better price for FSC certified wood. It is of course a concern for them if they receive a fine because our projects have not been certified as a sustainable reforestation project because if they purchase wood or native timber from a project that has not been certified they will be fined, this is the way it is in Brazil!

There's no perfect certification system but that's not a reason to ignore the value of it. A company that claims to care about environment sustainability despises the value of "green" certificates just to avoid spending some extra costs involved in the certification process??

So your company cannot plant eucalyptus in Europe so let's do that $hit in Brazil???

So your care about environment is totally BS and its only a false "green" propaganda to sell ...

Originally Posted by Greenwood Management

In regards to forestry investment regulation this is not a security as such and outside of the remit of most regulators I have included some links in English below to try to help to explain this to you there are many more links I can supply.

Business7 - Insider Magazine - Latest News - THE FUNDAMENTALS OF INVESTING IN FORESTRY
http://www.clarityglobal.com/sites/d...investment.pdf

Please don't try to lure us. What your company offer is an investment product which requires a license/regulation like VAT. Your investors are NOT buying timber phisically but just buying an investment product with medium/high yields like 12% per year....

Originally Posted by Fgold

Please don't try to lure us. What your company offer is an investment product which requires a license/regulation like VAT. Your investors are NOT buying timber phisically but just buying an investment product with medium/high yields like 12% per year....

Hi Fgold, I think you may be a little unclear when you state "Your investors are NOT buying timber physically" this is exactly what our clients are buying. We offer a direct investment into timber which we grow and deliver for the client. Maybe it would be a good idea if you explain how you think our investment works and I will try to clarify the process further for you so that you can understand completely.

Originally Posted by Fgold

There's no perfect certification system but that's not a reason to ignore the value of it. A company that claims to care about environment sustainability despises the value of "green" certificates just to avoid spending some extra costs involved in the certification process??

In regards to this its not that we don't care? If we were to export our timber to the US or Europe then we would of course obtain FSC accreditation which is not that hard to procure this really is required if export markets are your main market. We are a large employer in the region and this offers locals support with a job we have also given land to some locals to build a school so it is not that we don't care the company is adding something to the locals in the region. Regarding bio-diversity we use "degraded" land only which we repair before planting our timber crops this land has in the pas been overarmed and is desert like in its raw form. The difference is that we deal within the domestic market and I'm sorry but FSC accreditation does not bring any benefits environmentally or financially with our projects. We do adhere to strict licencing procedure and we are checked without any formal notice regularly to make sure that our projects are meeting environmental standards.

Originally Posted by Fgold

So your company cannot plant eucalyptus in Europe so let's do that $hit in Brazil???

So your care about environment is totally BS and its only a false "green" propaganda to sell ...

We do not promote ourselves overly as a green company although having said this if you look at the timber produced from say eucalyptus which averages growth rates of 45 cubic meters of timber per hectare per year this is the same annual timber production of 10-15 hectares of native forestry. If the timber markets relied on native forestry then there would be far less native forests in existence. All commercial timber crops are generally non-native from Sitka spruce in Europe and Eucalyptus in Portugal and Spain and this is because native pest and disease are not adapted suitably to attack non-native species. In Brazil for instance we also grow Senegal Mahogany although Brazil has its own species of Mahogany the difference is of course we could not grow native Mahogany in plantation areas because the timber would be destroyed by pests. Of course selling Senegal Mahogany into the marketplace means more native Mahogany is left can be left in native forests.

We are not "greenwashing" we are a forestry business and ethically I believe that this business not only supplies much needed jobs in the region but also supports the native forests by offering a sustainable option to cutting down native forests. Unfortunately timber will always be used until our energy needs are not carbon based and we are not reliant on timber for furniture, paper, etc etc.

Originally Posted by Greenwood Management

Hi Fgold, I think you may be a little unclear when you state "Your investors are NOT buying timber physically" this is exactly what our clients are buying. We offer a direct investment into timber which we grow and deliver for the client. Maybe it would be a good idea if you explain how you think our investment works and I will try to clarify the process further for you so that you can understand completely.

Do you realize how foolish you sound? Do you want us to believe that 12% income "opportunity" comes with wood delivered? All you answers are "blah, blah, blah". Everybody else on this forum knows that you are running scam. You job is to mud waters: create doubts with potential investors/marks by making a lot of posts hoping that not everybody will read them all.

Originally Posted by fromthehood

Do you realize how foolish you sound? Do you want us to believe that 12% income "opportunity" comes with wood delivered? All you answers are "blah, blah, blah". Everybody else on this forum knows that you are running scam. You job is to mud waters: create doubts with potential investors/marks by making a lot of posts hoping that not everybody will read them all.

Far from trying to "muddy the water" I hope I have responded with links to information that has been requested by you and others. And in fairness my only posts have been in response to questions raised by others.

I am of course happy to help if you have any questions in order for a healthy discussion on this subject.

In regards to returns these come from an established market with a proven track record of providing these returns (and in fact returns way above our projected rates).

As I stated before If I can be of help let me know and I will try to answer your questions.

Originally Posted by Greenwood Management

I am of course happy to help if you have any questions in order for a healthy discussion on this subject.

That's definition of muddying the waters. You did not not answer any questions. You just created enough posts that people who would want to know real information about this boiler room scam would have a problem finding it. And if you get called on it than "I am just here for a healthy discussion on this subject". This is not my first dance with scammers like you.

Lets take a step back what questions would you like me to answer?

Originally Posted by Greenwood Management

You can search Google at the link I have provided here https://www.google.es/webhp?source=s...w=1309&bih=726

The Danish company registration (CVR number) is also the Value Added Tax registration number or VAT number for Danish companies.

And the licences to sell securities in the countries whose citizens you sell them to live??

Originally Posted by Greenwood Management

Lets take a step back what questions would you like me to answer?

OK One more time.

1) Why company hides names of its top management? And do not give me bogus answer that European do not care about management.

2)Was your boss previously involved in similar scheme? It seem like more than one Irish board has thread about your company and its owner. But of cause they are fakers and competitors.

3) Why sales phone number doubles for a corporate number? You do not get other calls other than investment ones?

4) Where are your licenses to sell securities? Yes, offering $10K investment is considered security offering. And they are supposed to be tightly regulated in not all, but in majority of European countries. Corporate registration id in Denmark has nothing to do with it.

5) If you worked with that Portuguese University, where is listing of that particular research on University's research page. They list all completed and current projects. Repeat, on their page, not yours.

Originally Posted by Greenwood Management

Lets take a step back what questions would you like me to answer?

Umm....all the ones we have asked. So far you have just provided links to in-house data and nothing official and verifiable at all - apart form the sales tax number in Denmark

Originally Posted by Greenwood Management

You can search Google at the link I have provided here https://www.google.es/webhp?source=s...w=1309&bih=726

The Danish company registration (CVR number) is also the Value Added Tax registration number or VAT number for Danish companies.

So you can sell wood in Denmark.

SKAT: VAT for foreign companies from your search.
"All foreign businesses selling goods and services in Denmark must be registered for VAT in Denmark."

Investments/securities do not fit into goods/services for an average company. There are investment goods and investment services. Both mean different things from selling securities that what your company does.

Originally Posted by Lil Ol' Radical Me

Umm....all the ones we have asked. So far you have just provided links to in-house data and nothing official and verifiable at all - apart form the sales tax number in Denmark

As I explain below that Vat only can be used buy them to buy/sell wood or wood related machinery. Nothing to do with investments unless they are "registered" as financial services company.

Originally Posted by Greenwood Management

Hi Fgold, I think you may be a little unclear when you state "Your investors are NOT buying timber physically" this is exactly what our clients are buying. We offer a direct investment into timber which we grow and deliver for the client. Maybe it would be a good idea if you explain how you think our investment works and I will try to clarify the process further for you so that you can understand completely.

Buying a good (timber or anything else) is totally different than investing in a specific good. Can't you see that difference between buying a good and making an investment??

If you cannot see that very clear difference you should check if besides a piece of excrement you also have something else inside your head or not...

Originally Posted by Fgold

Buying a good (timber or anything else) is totally different than investing in a specific good. Can't you see that difference between buying a good and making an investment??


If you cannot see that very clear difference you should check if besides a piece of excrement you also have something else inside your head or not...

In regards to this the Danish company does not make a profit the funds are sent to Brazil and the Brazilian CNPJ number is the tax number for that company I should have the audited accounts for Brazil in a reasonably short space of time which should help with this.

One question and that is if you bought your house I presume you did that through an investment company am I correct?

Originally Posted by fromthehood

As I explain below that Vat only can be used buy them to buy/sell wood or wood related machinery. Nothing to do with investments unless they are "registered" as financial services company.

Greenwood asset managers is registered as a financial services company if this helps explain!

Originally Posted by Greenwood Management

Greenwood asset managers is registered as a financial services company if this helps explain!

But offer is from Greenwood Management Aps. Which finger did you suck "Greenwood asset managers" from? The one I saw on the web is also shady and offers investments in China.

Originally Posted by fromthehood

But offer is from Greenwood Management Aps. Which finger did you suck "Greenwood asset managers" from? The one I saw on the web is also shady and offers investments in China.

I was asked to supply the VAT number which I explained was the CVR number. It was then brought up that this is not the correct number because the company deals in investment forestry? So I was just trying to show the comparison with Greenwood asset managers (registered as an investment company) that has this same number.

In regards to China I don't understand?

Originally Posted by Greenwood Management

In regards to this the Danish company does not make a profit the funds are sent to Brazil and the Brazilian CNPJ number is the tax number for that company I should have the audited accounts for Brazil in a reasonably short space of time which should help with this.

One question and that is if you bought your house I presume you did that through an investment company am I correct?

A Brazilian CNPJ is not enough to offer investments in Brazil. What is your registered number in CVM Brazil : Comisso de Valores Mobilirios ??

Buy a house or any other good/yservice is not an investment. Investment is when you invest money to get it back with a specific % ROI after a specific period of time... Investments must have a proper regulation in each country otherwise its just a FRAUD scheme!

Originally Posted by Greenwood Management

In regards to China I don't understand?

You made a comparison with Greenwood asset managers which is another shady chinese company who offer investments in China...

Originally Posted by Fgold

A Brazilian CNPJ is not enough to offer investments in Brazil. What is your registered number in CVM Brazil : Comisso de Valores Mobilirios ??

Buy a house or any other good/yservice is not an investment. Investment is when you invest money to get it back with a specific % ROI after a specific period of time... Investments must have a proper regulation in each country otherwise its just a FRAUD scheme!

Forestry property is still property which is my point. Many people purchase forestry to receive a ROI but so also do people who purchase residential property. The fact we plant trees on this property is the only difference.

Originally Posted by Greenwood Management

Hi Fgold, I think you may be a little unclear when you state "Your investors are NOT buying timber physically" this is exactly what our clients are buying. We offer a direct investment into timber which we grow and deliver for the client. Maybe it would be a good idea if you explain how you think our investment works and I will try to clarify the process further for you so that you can understand completely.

From what I am reading it appears that you are selling investments/securities which would require licensing with appropriate agency's.