Thread: FlexKom aka Flexcom aka Weeconomy - legitimate MLM or scam ??

Originally Posted by Char

Longcore admits he was "stupid" about Flexkom.

I think he must be reading this thread, Russell don't forget to site your sources. "Verifiable information" must be a new concept or he never would have involved others in FK. Just a few weeks ago his idea of verifiable was claiming the authorities had not shut Flexkon down so it must be legit.

What bothers me about Russell Longcore's about-face is not that he was stupid or naïve to believe the Flexkom lies. That can happen to anybody. It is not even a question of intelligence, but more one of having certain vulnerabilities in your personality. What bothers me is the absolute lack of excuses and moral justification. He seems to think that his involvement in Flexkom was just a bad business decision, he lost some money but that's about it. But what about the moral side? He lured probably hundreds of people into the Flexkom scam, and so is at least partly responsible for their downfall. He called on people to trust him, to trust Flexkom. He had done his due diligence and was sure Flexkom was reliable, he claimed. That was a direct lie, cause if so he would have found out about the scamming past of Tjengiz, Asker and Driscoll. And it's only one of the many, many lies he told.
Russell is angry at Flexkom, but where is the mea culpa? Where is the "sorry for misleading you''? Where is the "Yes, I was not only stupid but also lost my moral compass"?

Two days after making the realscam thread, Driscoll's new website not working???
Account Suspended Wonder what that means?
Also, I haven't seen any updates to his original Flexkom site. The new 2.0 changes should really be up by now.
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Longcore is far from stupid. He is just smart enough to move on to the next....scam. Anyone who buys his bull$hit excuse is the stupid one.

IMO, career networker marketers simply don't have a moral compass to lose.

Remember this article: Andrew Penman: Is FlexKom REALLY 'the future of business' or just another hopeless 'get rich quick' scheme? - Andrew Penman - Mirror Online

Anyone in the UK interested in updating Andrew Penman with hopes he will do a follow up story. Perhaps he'd like to inform his readers that Mr. Driscoll is now promoting Rockwell-Partners as well as giving his readers an update on Flexkom, AND Banners Broker.

Payol??

Originally Posted by Fat City, LA

Ian is devolving. Rockwell is just flat out ponzi w/out the pretense of a "program".
Judging from the advertising slowing down it later in its life cycle.

He, the voice in this Rockwell video is familiar. It is also the voice of that stupid little rabbit in this MLM propaganda video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZiw15VgWoI
You know, the one where the female rabbit keeps repeating "it still looks like a pyramid scheme" and gets discredited (although she is right of course)
Apparently the MLM world has its own class of shady sub suppliers that operate outside mainstream business. Like The Obtainer magazine for example

Flexkom tactics
The high percentage of devout Christians in Flexkom is remarkable. This is the case in Trinidad and Kenia for example. I don't know about the U.S. though. I can imagine this Bayo Surakat poses as a fanatical Christian and thus is able to gain the confidence of likewise minded people. I don't know if this is really what happened, it is a bit of a speculation, but maybe somebody has more info about this?
It is a well known tactic of scammers to look for a trait in their victims that they can use to gain their trust. Ethnicity and religion being favourites. It is no coincidence for example that Flexkom started in Turkey. Being ethnic Turks themselves, the Flexkom leaders could thus pose as trustworthy more easily.
The same thing happened in Trinidad and Kenia. They left it to Bayo (Nigerian) to fool and mislead his fellow blacks. Probably also posing as a devout Christian. And then Flexkom used the many contacts that Trinidadians have with the U.S. as an inroad to target the black population in the U.S., again playing the ethnic card.
In the Netherlands, where I live, there aren't many Christians so they targeted other ethnic groups. Turks of course, Indians and other Asian immigrants. These people tend to be more isolated, often don't read Dutch or English, and are easy victims in this way.
This shows that Flexkom has a strategy and is indeed a pretty sophisticated scam. Tjengiz definitely has learned something in his five or six previous scams.
The exception is that they have not (yet) played the muslim card, although this would be easy for them given their backgrounds. What would keep them from doing that? Fear of muslim violence? Or of a nasty fatwa?

Originally Posted by Scamtracker-Jaap

It is a well known tactic of scammers to look for a trait in their victims that they can use to gain their trust. Ethnicity and religion being favourites.

It's called "Affinity Fraud" and is a serious enough problem it has prompted the Federal Trade Commission to issue a warning:



FTC Consumer blog

Originally Posted by Scamtracker-Jaap

Flexkom tactics
The high percentage of devout Christians in Flexkom is remarkable. This is the case in Trinidad and Kenia for example. I don't know about the U.S. though. I can imagine this Bayo Surakat poses as a fanatical Christian and thus is able to gain the confidence of likewise minded people. I don't know if this is really what happened, it is a bit of a speculation, but maybe somebody has more info about this?
It is a well known tactic of scammers to look for a trait in their victims that they can use to gain their trust. Ethnicity and religion being favourites. It is no coincidence for example that Flexkom started in Turkey. Being ethnic Turks themselves, the Flexkom leaders could thus pose as trustworthy more easily.
The same thing happened in Trinidad and Kenia. They left it to Bayo (Nigerian) to fool and mislead his fellow blacks. Probably also posing as a devout Christian. And then Flexkom used the many contacts that Trinidadians have with the U.S. as an inroad to target the black population in the U.S., again playing the ethnic card.
In the Netherlands, where I live, there aren't many Christians so they targeted other ethnic groups. Turks of course, Indians and other Asian immigrants. These people tend to be more isolated, often don't read Dutch or English, and are easy victims in this way.
This shows that Flexkom has a strategy and is indeed a pretty sophisticated scam. Tjengiz definitely has learned something in his five or six previous scams.
The exception is that they have not (yet) played the muslim card, although this would be easy for them given their backgrounds. What would keep them from doing that? Fear of muslim violence? Or of a nasty fatwa?

that's why they targeted the south in the US. Why wouldn't you go straight to NY? Because they would have gotten their asses kicked and the religion schpeel doesn't fly nearly as well.

Flexkom is NOT growing in the USA. The ONLY question I have is whether or not the participants will be required to give back their profits. Flexkom USA is like the tree where the roots are dead but the leaves don't know it - - yet!

I think that is why Watsco and others have stopped commenting on this board. I believe most of them honestly thought the "model" was unique AND proven.
We now know it was neither.

I wonder if Bill Toth called people who were against Flexkom negative and jealous when he was first pimping it? Lol

https://www.facebook.com/bill.toth.127
Bill Toth
Yesterday
Conversation with Mark Mandela a Sales Director in Flexkom and big promoter of Asker Sakinmaz the most successful Flexkom Brand Partner in the world.
Mark Mandela
1:16pm
Mark Mandela
You are a real hater. Everything that spews from your mouth is hatred. I've never met anyone like you. You need the Lord.
Bill Toth
1:21pm
Bill Toth
It sounds like you need the lord with all the lies you are spreading about what Flexkom is. You can only turn a blind eye for so long then you have to look at the facts and see Flexkom has cheated thousands of good people out of thousands of dollars. call me and I will enlighten you on the truth with documents to prove what I say.
Bill Toth
1:21pm
Bill Toth
716-345-1888
Mark Mandela
1:23pm
Mark Mandela
Why would I ever want to call a person that is filled with so much fan I'm like you. Why? I will never call your number because your hate is so awful I wouldn't want to be exposed to it.
You are evil... That hate will eat you up inside. I guarantee it!
When you die you will either be known as a person that hates or a person that does good. Your family will not be able to use you and your name when you were gone because your name is filled with hate.
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Is this the kind of person you want to have as a business partner.
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Pre-registration for class action suit in EU against Flexkom.

http://www.rechtsraad.nl/flexkomeuclassac.html

New thread created for Beepxtra HERE

20,000 euros or dollars per month for the rest of your life. Click on the K20 video.

http://boffice.flexkom.com/flexintro/index/t/K20

People wonder why I hate network marketing. I do admire their creativity in devising these schemes and acting skills though.

Edit: They mention in video you're paid in gold.

Originally Posted by Char

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Edit: They mention in video you're paid in gold.

If You catch a leprechaun (on time) .

I just received a forwarded message about Flexkom naming Bill Resides as the new Country Manager for the USA.

Here is it:

It is with great pride I announce to you that my good friend Mr Bill Resides has been named the Country Manager for the United States Of America! It is my opinion that Flexkom has indeed made the right decision. I know that Bill will do a tremendous job representing each and everyone of us.

Congratulations Bill THAT iS Certainly Next Level!!!!!

ALRIGHT,ALRIGHT,ALRIGHT !!!!!

Special Announcement - Breaking News!!!

FlexKom International Holding AG and FlexKom America, Inc. are very excited and proud to make the following announcement. As you all know there are only positions of State Managers available within the United States and the position of a Country Manager, like we have in Europe, is not in existence within the United States. However, we have made a decision to show our full support and admiration for a special man that has been the glue to FlexKom America regarding the growth and the sales since Day 1. He is a tremendous leader, a great family man, but moreover he is one of the most humble human beings to ever meet in life. Seeing that he has an unbelievable potential to lead the United States in the Sales Department and believing in him and also in his skill set that he is the right "first mover". We want to announce with a lot of emotions that Mr. William "Bill" Resides has been appointed the new Country Manager of the United States of America. From all the Executives and the members of the Board we would like to send out our congratulations to Mr. Bill Resides and we are excited and are looking towards moving forward with him as the leader in the field and have no doubt that your new Country Manager will bring success into your States.


With best wishes from the Munich and Henderson Executive Teams.

Mike Livingston 678-XXX-XXXX

Here he is.

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/william-resides/63/819/b1

FlexKom.jpg

Is Payoneer issuing the Flexkom MasterCard? That's what I saw in a photo but not sure it's current. Anyway,

Read some info on Payoneer's realscam thread here: http://www.realscam.com/f43/payoneer...ide-scam-2968/

Attorney Kevin Grimes facing troubles in connection with the Ponzi scheme Zeek Rewards.
Zeek Receiver sues Kevin Grimes for "legal malpractice"


Deborah Brolley [Corporate head hunter for Flexkom per her LinkedIn] says:
Is FlexKom a Scam? » Lazy Man and Money
February 2, 2014 at 3:29 am
.....So glad they [Flexkom] just hired Kevin Thompson as another big hitter attorney, to work with Grimes and Reese.....!

aaaaaaaaand boom goes the dynamite

Bill Toth https://www.facebook.com/bill.toth.127
Yesterday
Notice To all Flexkom Merchants, GTM's or partners that have not had a response from Flexkom to get a refund. I am working with Bill Resides the USA Country Manager on a deal to sell the licenses for you. He has asked for a complete list of people along with what price you are willing to sell it for. Please private message me ASAP. I am not sure on the demand but if you go the legal route to get the money back the cost will be between $100.00 and $1000.00 based on what state you are in. Bill just wants to replace the disgruntled people with people that believe in the new vision of Flexkom 2.0.

So people aren't getting a response from Flexkom to get a refund.
People asking for refunds.
Mention of the legal route.
Remember Russell Longcore stated he was unable to get one and had his pos for sale in that video.

Something not jiving here with Bill Resides offering a refund.

Originally Posted by Char

Something not jiving here with Bill Resides offering a refund. [/B]

The deal to "sell licenses for you" sounds like pure bullshit. Why can't Flexcon simply offer a full refund? It is an intangible license, not crates of tuna that have now spoiled. There is next to zero cost to simply write a check and make the BMs whole.

Once again BMs and potential affiliates get a peek under the Kimono and see exactly the type of people they are dealing with.

Where's watsco when you need him? I am sure this is all a big misunderstanding and that watsco can explain where we are getting this all wrong.

Anyone interested in a bridge I have for sale?

Originally Posted by ribshaw

Why can't Flexcon simply offer a full refund? .

Where's the money going to come from ??

There is no source of revenue with which to make refunds

Originally Posted by littleroundman

Where's the money going to come from ??

There is no source of revenue with which to make refunds

exactly. The top of the scam has done spent it already. Hell, one bragged of running away with a big check in a picture if I'm not mistaken. The scare tactic of 'cost' to get your money back is hilarious.