Thread: FlexKom aka Flexcom aka Weeconomy - legitimate MLM or scam ??

Originally Posted by watsco

What I meant is why would I have those numbers? Me

Hmm, maybe to prove to us (dumbasses) that there is at least one small part where FlexKom is somehow legal.

Can you show us on the APP how many merchants have signed up in Chattanooga. You posted Paris, how about here in the USA?

Do you have first-hand knowledge the Flexkom system works? Have you ever used it here in the USA yourself?

What happens when the regulators claw back the profits from net winners of an illegal pyramid scheme and they have already spent the money and are broke? Does anyone know?

Watsco, I see that you ignore my postings or at least that you do not reply to them. Can I therefore conclude that you do not have an appropriate response and/or can't argue that I am wrong?

This guy is involved in every get rich quick scheme known to man.
See #1.
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Some in english, some not.
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Flexk...53709781338460

Bunch on the con. Some in English.
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Originally Posted by watsco

I do think none of the members that are posting are business owners.
How have I insulted your intelligence?

And you are wrong. Shocking, I know. I am a business owner. You and flexkom are nobodies. Why should I pay you for me to give a customer a discount that I can already do myself? YOU have to convince me why. YOU are trying to get money out of my wallet for what YOU think I should buy so YOU can make a commission. YOU need to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt why I should buy from you. YOU HAVE FAILED THUS FAR. You are insulting my intelligence by throwing around this flex money bullshit. Like I said, businesses can't pay their bills with that crap.

Originally Posted by watsco

What do you mean pay a nobody to do what they can do? What is it we do they can do already?

Are you really this stupid? I can have coupons put in valupak mailers. I can put ads in papers offering discounts. I can put ads in papers offering discount coupons.

Originally Posted by watsco

Do you know how the system works? Why do you think shop owners can't convert FlexMoney to currency they can pay bills with?

Do you know how the real world works?

Originally Posted by watsco

Could you imagine that the FlexMoney that goes into an account and "turns green" has been funded by the shop owner, who gave it out, with local currency by transferring it to FlexKom's bank account? Can you imagine that such a transfer is possible to do and that FlexKom can then allow the currency to be spent in the system secured by those funds? Is it possible to build such software and do such a transaction even if it wasn't FlexKom doing it Is it possible?

is it possible none of the members here understand how the system works at all?

No, not at all. Again, stop insulting our intelligence. It is YOU that has no idea how anything really works.

Originally Posted by watsco

Ok you "think" it's idiotic to charge 100% additional fee for the service right? Would you explain to me why that is idiotic?

Seriously. Are you really this stupid? Why am I going to pay you what I am already giving the customer that is costing me money to begin with? Why do I want to double my loss just so you can make money? No mythical math can make up for a loss. A loss is a loss no matter how you look at it. Additional income does not make up for what is given away. Once it's gone, it's gone. This bullshit is why you can't sell it. $2200 is not cheaper than valupak or the phone book which is ridiculously expensive. I can advertise in the phone book for 4 years at that rate with a half page ad. You don't have a clue what any real advertising costs and is why you can't quote any in a rebuttal but yet people are suppose to take your word for it that your scam is somehow better.

Instead of asking stupid questions because you don't have the answer or the real answer looks really, really, bad (and it does), just answer the question asked with "I don't know" and save what little shred of dignity you have left.

Originally Posted by watsco

Explain to me why I would have those numbers?

Why wouldn't you? You did do due diligence right? And uncovered along the way that Ian Driscoll is a scammer too right?

Originally Posted by watsco

There are stores that have completed their contracts and have paid and will have their terminals delivered and installed June 1st.

Then you are not 'full circle'. June 1st isn't even here yet.

Originally Posted by MLM Broken Model

Can you show us on the APP how many merchants have signed up in Chattanooga. You posted Paris, how about here in the USA?

Do you have first-hand knowledge the Flexkom system works? Have you ever used it here in the USA yourself?

IMO, I think we need to be careful here and not confuse watsco.

There are usually different types of Ponzis. Ones that never have anything tangible or useful, and ones that have a little something. The latter is where suckers like watsco fall into the ponzi man's trap. Poor fellow.

When guys like watsco see apps and equipment, they take that as proof it works and is legit. Again, like Global Verge, they got phones, Telexfree had VoIP for a very few, and so on. Oh and let's not forget the "I got paid once" crowd of believers.

Originally Posted by watsco

Ok, I have a question for you about this. Do you think Tiger Woods drives a Buick?

Who cares what he drives, he can drive anything he wants and switch the next week.
But if i saw a Picture of Tiger woods saying "I am Sarah, 31 and i saved hundreds with a [...] Scam" and i can show
he is not linked to that scam in anyway or never even heard of it. I find such statements from the scam as "at least" dishonest.

But it also indicates that the scam does not have the real retail Sarahs who can endorse or do testimonials.

This is something as FlexKom tried to drag the Hooters name along before.

Watsco, there is no point for you to throw in the things FlexKom already posted publicly, anyone can see those.

Let's talk about your personal experiences.

How much money in total you threw into all FlexCom opportunity, (including events you attended )?
How much money you made so far ?
How many people you recruited ?

Since you are a person, and not the "company", it will be much worth to talk about your personal experience, marketing and pimping aside. And please be honest.
It will also show everyone where you stand, if you are successful with it or just a guy who tries to be succeseful.

Originally Posted by watsco

Why do you think there are stock photos to buy? LOl

Did you think the people in the commercials are really using those products? They find them in stores?

Really? What Kind of Car Does Tiger Woods Drive

Sometimes mean what down to the corner? Thanks Tiger now you can get back in your Porche?

Do you even read the links you provide? In your pathetic attempt to try and deflect that FlexKom is using fake photos of people who are supposed to be making a killing as a FlexKom rep, you asked do you think Tiger Woods really drives a Buick? Well, if you had bothered to read the article you would have seen this story, and I quote:

"What Kind of Car Does Tiger Woods Drive? Tiger may drive his Porsche Carrera GT and a golf cart now and then, but his car of choice is the one he is a proud sponsor of, the Buick Enclave. Currently, he drives the 2008 model year of this luxurious SUV that is priced between $43,000 and $65,000 according to Edmunds. These Buick SUVs are famous for not only their heated seat feature, but also their cooling seat feature for hot summer months."

The mere fact that you can't tell the difference as to why it is wrong for FlexKom to use stock photos in their advertising portraying successful reps to what car Tiger Woods drives shows your ignorance, gullibility, or you are nothing more than a Ponzi shill. My bet is on the latter. Good grief, the next thing you will try to claim is that is not stealing because you used a keyboard not a gun.

Originally Posted by Char

When guys like watsco see apps and equipment, they take that as proof it works and is legit. Again, like Global Verge, they got phones, Telexfree had VoIP for a very few, and so on. Oh and let's not forget the "I got paid once" crowd of believers.

I heard a new term this weekend "cockroaching" where folks scurry from one scam to the next as soon as the lights come on. My hope in Watsco's time away was he realized what he got involved with and started asking better questions. Seems either not to have, or is unwilling to share the numbers that matter. Will he be entrenched until the next world changing recruiting opportunity?


Watsco, a few things that sure would add to the discussion on a business level.

Number of affiliates worldwide.
Number of merchants worldwide.
Number of Flexkon users worldwide.

Affiliate earnings statement with a breakdown of "residual income" versus income from "recruiting".
Revenue Per terminal.
Merchant attrition rate.

With 40,000 BMs in Turkey anything less than 800,000 active merchants would seem to confirm what everyone here has been saying, recruiting is all FK has to offer.

Originally Posted by watsco

The final phase was not entered until May In Chattanooga 3 months delayed.

But they have more than 200 stores signed on our contracts per what they have shared.

I see you ignored the question, but why the delay? Years in this "model" should be plug and play. When the other guys were here a few months back we heard there were 200 stores with signed contracts. Signed for free terminals, $500 paperweights for as much commitment as that takes on a merchants behalf. What is a business owner going to think of a company that can't deliver a free terminal for months on end? What on earth should potential recruits be doing except tying their running shoes?

I didn't see this posted before, but then I didn't really look all that hard. Is in Italian.

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https://www.facebook.com/pages/Flexk...315520?fref=ts

Originally Posted by watsco

Now maybe the audience will understand this is not a place for discussion but merely a place where you and the other fellas act as prosecutors not investigators.

Prosecutor not investigator?

You must have missed my investigations into EBCON and Bund der Sparer e.V.
You can find them on page 12 of this thread ... http://www.realscam.com/f8/flexkom-l...2/index12.html

Note that, for me at least, research is not just google-search.

I directly communicated with the people involved, including telephone calls to Germany, as well as directly consulting authorities such as the Swiss and German equivalent of Companies House.

And of course, there is the warning about Stefan Kletsch from European Economic Chamber of Trade
EUROPEAN ECONOMIC CHAMBER of Trade, Commerce and Industry - Warning

Ive found this email on another Flexkom blog

FlexKom Breaking News FlexKom 2.0

Learn directly from the founder and president Mr. Cengiz Ehliz & Vice President Sales expansion Mr. Michael Scheibe, the latest news about FlexKom 2.0.
Here you will get all the information that will be launched worldwide uniformly from the 1st of June 2014.
You can expect top news that will boost your business-building enormously!
Pass this important date quickly on to all your partners.

On: Thursday, 29 th of May 2014
To: Start 21:00 Clock CET (Central European Time)
Language: German & English

From 20:45 clock, you can start any time in the webinar room.
Webinar space is limited to 3000 people!

Link:
Conference, V3.2.9 -- RC172

We wish you a successful final sprint!
Your FlexKom Team

Could be interesting and fun to watch. I wonder what theyre telling now. Seems like theyve abandoned the phases and now started to use version numbers instead, as theyre referring to Flexkom 2.0 instead of Flexkom phase III.

Too many were typing Flexcom failure III.

Again, if this were a real business, there wouldn't be all these ridiculous 'announcements'. They would just fire off an email to the alleged 'business owners' much like all my distributors do for our businesses (I am including other businesses in my field). Or, a simple one on one phone call.

I'm not sure but I think Flexkom 2.0 is all about the new gold plan, flexgold. Is it replacing the phase 3 "roll out", "launch", or whatever they call it? It will be interesting to see where this is going. Could be more delays given the new system, don't you think? I mean look at all the issues BannersBroker version 3.0 is still having. lol

If there was any doubt Russ is defiantly out.

Some interesting comments about what awaits in Flexkom 2.0

And the video that the above video references

More on FlexKom V2.0 & Russ' new scam Beepextra

I think this is pathetic and shameless. He finally realises he is scammed by Flexkom, but he has no problem selling his worthless Flexkom licence and his outrageously overpriced POS tablet to other losers. Homo homini lupus. Do you have any morals left, Russ? Is this what happens to you if you get entangled in MLM?

Russell Longcore loves a good pyramid scheme. He will regret the high profile he achieved on Youtube when the
house of cards comes tumbling down. IMO

On the video he talks about the "value" of the $2,290 license. He points out NOW there is little to no value. Funny thing, nothing has changed since the day he joined. Why didn't he see that then? Was he ONLY seeing the money he could make by promoting this pyramid scheme?

He brags about building a team of 35 in the Flexkom deal.
Let's do the math:

35 x $2,290 = $80,150

So, it took 9 months for his team to convince 35 others to invest?

Yet, Watsco still comes on this board and asks the BURNING QUESTION, "What type of car does Tiger Woods drive?"

It is still amazing they couldn't figure this out BEFORE getting their FRIENDS & FAMILY to invest THEIR money too.

$80,000 went to Flexkom. What value did that generate to anyone other than the company and the upline? NOT A DAMN THING!

And welcome to the world of network marketing. FYI, in that world "free" doesn't mean free. Or maybe I just don't speak that language. See another former Flexkom rep, Brian McGinty, pimping beepxtra where it's completely free BUT:

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They won’t believe you when they see everything they get for a one off $250, €180, £140!

Business owners pay Beepxtra a 2.75% charge ONLY when Beepxtra proves the system works.

B.*If you want to be really professional order a demo tablet, powercards and your debit card so you can get paid every month!

Rather than telling a shopkeeper about the Beepcards, the Tablets and the Beepxtra Payment card you can show them one of each. (Seeing is believing, I have a picture of mine attached)
[B]Order them now:[/B]*Beepxtra have provided these in a convenient bundle format at Beepmarket … *Click*HERE......



That doesn't look like free to me. Also remember the business owner has to give a discount which also cost money.

Instead of scamming people for $2200 in flexkom, scam them for $250. Wasn't it Brian McGinty who wrote he didn't have a problem with the lesser amounts. Yep, I only steal from ATMs and not banks because I'm a good guy. Lol

Longcore mentioned there wasn't a lot of negative reviews on google, perhaps it's time for a Beepxtra thread on realscam.

Originally Posted by Char

And welcome to the world of network marketing.

It really should be aptly named 'Nowhere Marketing'