Thread: FlexKom aka Flexcom aka Weeconomy - legitimate MLM or scam ??

Micah Theard @homebasedmogul on Twitter

What page is this in the Ponzi play book? I forgot.

Flexkom Updates | Flexkom

A Message From Ian Driscoll, April 1st, 2014

"Well where do I really start?! There was so much information from the 3 day meeting I attended in Munich. After Askers UK meetings and the KTM concept we are now awaiting confirmation of the delivery for them. We all agree that it is regretful that it has taken the time it has to get to the point of POS completion, but it is often said “Good things come to those who wait ” and that will surely be the case with Flexkom.

Until the 31st of May there is a UK promotional deal which is that if any existing GTM or New GTM registers just 5 new GTM’s by the 31st May they will achieve the rank of Sales Manager and be accredited also with the position of Regional Coordinator. So if you really want to get your people off to a brilliant start and €1,000 on top then this is an excellent incentive!! This is the BEST time ever to invite people to Flexkom with a fully operational system and this very special offer. So arrange your diary to do one on ones or any size of meetings, and lets ramp up the UK Team in April. As Flexkom have said there will be a price increase and a much improved way forward from May 1st.*

Cengiz has a strong vision as to how Flexkom will develop over the next few months and years and with his leadership we are sure to succeed. He attended a business meeting and had a conversation with Richard Branson, realized they had many things in common, and that has really enthused him!

There will be the launch of the Italian market in Rimini on the 11th May so be sure that if you know people in Italy you contact them.

I am happy to do meetings around the UK for New Prospects and am doing a training & meeting in Bristol on Thursday 3rd of May.

We have a plan going forward and our own Flexkom Smart Phone that will be available on the 3th January in Las Vegas. We wanted to book a venue for 30,000 people but there are none available so a Venue has been booked with a capacity of 18,000, so the Las Vegas event will sell out quickly. I would hope that we have a good amount of British people that will go over and attend as it will be in your interest to be there on such a historic day for Flexkom.*

We will soon have a back office area where we will be able to purchase Flexkom items, and the Ticket, Ticket Hotel options will also be available.*

Savas has put together some more Promo materials etc

Sven has done some Academy videos. We will have Training Modules and first steps for new GTM’s soon.

The VideoMailing system is fully operational and FK just need to make it look better so again that is just around the corner.

As I said before if anyone wants to be on a 5 person UK Advisory board please e-mail board@tiscali.me.uk. *Thanks to the people that have already replied as again we can then have regional levels on from that.

Well I have covered where things are right now so lets all get Flexing! Ian.*"

"As many regional coordinators as we can" starting at 4:20.

Originally Posted by Char

What page is this in the Ponzi play book? I forgot.

Flexkom Updates | Flexkom

A Message From Ian Driscoll, April 1st, 2014

"Well where do I really start?! There was so much information from the 3 day meeting I attended in Munich. After Askers UK meetings and the KTM concept we are now awaiting confirmation of the delivery for them. We all agree that it is regretful that it has taken the time it has to get to the point of POS completion, but it is often said “Good things come to those who wait ” and that will surely be the case with Flexkom.

Until the 31st of May there is a UK promotional deal which is that if any existing GTM or New GTM registers just 5 new GTM’s by the 31st May they will achieve the rank of Sales Manager and be accredited also with the position of Regional Coordinator. So if you really want to get your people off to a brilliant start and €1,000 on top then this is an excellent incentive!! This is the BEST time ever to invite people to Flexkom with a fully operational system and this very special offer. So arrange your diary to do one on ones or any size of meetings, and lets ramp up the UK Team in April. As Flexkom have said there will be a price increase and a much improved way forward from May 1st.*

Cengiz has a strong vision as to how Flexkom will develop over the next few months and years and with his leadership we are sure to succeed. He attended a business meeting and had a conversation with Richard Branson, realized they had many things in common, and that has really enthused him!

There will be the launch of the Italian market in Rimini on the 11th May so be sure that if you know people in Italy you contact them.

I am happy to do meetings around the UK for New Prospects and am doing a training & meeting in Bristol on Thursday 3rd of May.

We have a plan going forward and our own Flexkom Smart Phone that will be available on the 3th January in Las Vegas. We wanted to book a venue for 30,000 people but there are none available so a Venue has been booked with a capacity of 18,000, so the Las Vegas event will sell out quickly. I would hope that we have a good amount of British people that will go over and attend as it will be in your interest to be there on such a historic day for Flexkom.*

We will soon have a back office area where we will be able to purchase Flexkom items, and the Ticket, Ticket Hotel options will also be available.*

Savas has put together some more Promo materials etc

Sven has done some Academy videos. We will have Training Modules and first steps for new GTM’s soon.

The VideoMailing system is fully operational and FK just need to make it look better so again that is just around the corner.

As I said before if anyone wants to be on a 5 person UK Advisory board please e-mail board@tiscali.me.uk. *Thanks to the people that have already replied as again we can then have regional levels on from that.

Well I have covered where things are right now so lets all get Flexing! Ian.*"

I'm pretty sure I read this in an ACN thread years ago.

Coming soon FK version 3.0

I wonder if Chris Smith will sue them for copyright violation of v3.0?

I have exiting news. In the Netherlands phase 3 has indeed started. Since last Friday (4 april) at least two Flexkom sales teams (probably more) are roaming the country trying to snare shopkeepers. The whole thing is in secret, no public announcement has been made by Flexkom. But we get inside reports that they have zero success. The first thing a shopkeeper does when the sales team leaves is to google Flexkom. Then they find very little info. Nothing in the media, nothing on independant sites, nothing even on Flexkom's own site. All they find is the anti-scamming info that this page and especially wouterhol.nl provides. Then they come to a fast conclusion: The whole thing smells! It smells like fraud and scam. Next thing they do is cancel the follow-up appointment and vote with their feet. So phase 3 indeed appears to be the final demasqué for Flexkom.
Flexkom agents think the wouterhol blog is to blame for this. Now they are collecting money among themselves to try to shut up wouterhol.nl by suing him. So they are trying to shoot the messenger. How pathetic, how naïve. Even if they manage to sue the blog, it will result in publicity, wich will kill Flexkom entirely.

Originally Posted by Scamtracker-Jaap

Even if they manage to sue the blog, it will result in publicity, wich will kill Flexkom entirely.

Shhhhh, don't warn them and perhaps they'll be stupid enough to go through with their threats.

Can you imagine the fun bloggers would have giving them all the publicity they and Flexkom deserve.

"Can you imagine the fun bloggers would have giving them all the publicity they and Flexkom deserve"

Yes, that is true. Wouter Hol has even placed a message on the Flexkom FB site two months ago, where he openly challenged Flexkom to finally redeem their promise of suing him. That was very funny. The FK management is probably too smart to really sue Wouter Hol or any of the other blogs/sites, but this is an initiative of the GTM's themselves. It is interesting, maybe the topdogs will go as far as to prohibit them from suing wouterhol.nl

Originally Posted by Scamtracker-Jaap

"Can you imagine the fun bloggers would have giving them all the publicity they and Flexkom deserve"

Yes the Streisand effect will kick in.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect

https://www.facebook.com/Flexkom.glo...type=1&theater

Notice the last two comments on this item from the FK facebook page where they announce that they have contracted Baker & McKenzie as their lawyers.... Wich is probably just another lie.

Originally Posted by Scamtracker-Jaap

https://www.facebook.com/Flexkom.glo...type=1&theater

Notice the last two comments on this item from the FK facebook page where they announce that they have contracted Baker & McKenzie as their lawyers....

Let me see how quickly you pick up on what is wrong with their announcement, and I quote:

FlexKom International Holding is proud to announce our new Legal Attorney Firm, Baker&McKenzie. The well known renounced international Law Firm will be coordinating all Legal Rights and Laws for the international expansion schemes of FlexKom International Holding AG.

If I had been drinking my glass of ice tea I would have ruined a perfectly good keyboard and monitor. I also have to wonder if the law firm was thrilled with this announcement by FK.

damn that's funny.

Originally Posted by EagleOne

Let me see how quickly you pick up on what is wrong with their announcement, and I quote:

FlexKom International Holding is proud to announce our new Legal Attorney Firm, Baker&McKenzie. The well known renounced international Law Firm will be coordinating all Legal Rights and Laws for the international expansion schemes of FlexKom International Holding AG.

If I had been drinking my glass of ice tea I would have ruined a perfectly good keyboard and monitor. I also have to wonder if the law firm was thrilled with this announcement by FK.

Well, I guess if it is well known that they have been renounced as a law firm internationally, they better figure out a way to maintain their lifestyle. Makes sense they are looking for work coordinating and expanding legal rights for the scheme of Flexkom International.

Some expansion suggestions regarding rights as they must need the help considering the above:

You have the right to remain silent.....and still. You have the right to an attorney....or two or three. Anything you say.....or your downline says....can be used against you in a court of law.

It was refreshing to see them admit they are a Ponzi though. No naysayers required.

Originally Posted by Scamtracker-Jaap

... The first thing a shopkeeper does when the sales team leaves is to google Flexkom. Then they find very little info. Nothing in the media, nothing on independant sites, nothing even on Flexkom's own site. All they find is the anti-scamming info that this page and especially wouterhol.nl provides. ...
Flexkom agents think the wouterhol blog is to blame for this. Now they are collecting money among themselves to try to shut up wouterhol.nl by suing him. ...

During the summer / autumn of 2013, when I first heard about FlexKom from a friend, I noticed a very interesting tactic on the part of FlexKom, which I thought was actually quite clever:

All these "entrepreneurs" who had signed up were gearing up to take their area "by storm". They were "building teams" and probably believed that they would be visiting every retail outlet within a given geography.

There was something else they were doing ... building websites.

Each "franchisee" was putting online their own website, with their own domain name or URL, which was typically a creative variant on "flexkom.com".

The result, at that time, was that if you Google'd FlexKom, you got page after page after page of these websites saying "We're team building. Sign up with me today!"

I should have taken a screenshot to post. The result was that blogs, critical sites & forums such as this were pushed down the search results, and were buried in the overwhelm of "sign up sites".

All in all, a clever SEO tactic which worked for many months.

Here are some examples:
www.flexkomleaders.org/
www.flexkom-international.com/
www.flexkominfo.com/
www.flexkomcentral.com/
www.joinflexkom.co.uk/
www.flexkomireland.com/
flexkomreview.org/
www.flexkom.org/
www.thisisflexkom.com/
www.flexkomuk.com/
www.flexkomfranchise.nl/
www.teamflexkom.com/

Yes quite clever maybe, although I thought that every MLM more or less does this. But it is telling that of those 12 sites only two are still active. The other ten are gone with the wind.

Originally Posted by Scamtracker-Jaap

Yes quite clever maybe, although I thought that every MLM more or less does this. But it is telling that of those 12 sites only two are still active. The other ten are gone with the wind.

It is telling, although I found 3 of those 12 working.

Having said that, I think new ones are popping up ...
flexkom365.com
www.flexkom.com.tr
www.flexkomsystem.com
www.flexkom.dk
www.flexkomhomebusiness.com
www.flexkomsrbija.com
thefutureofbusinessuk.com
flexkomhub.com
flexkomfranchise.biz

There were literally hundreds at one point. Each one hoping to become your upline.

Originally Posted by Stewart

There were literally hundreds at one point. Each one hoping to become your upline.

A consumer could with 99.9%(I made that number up, but it is high) accuracy follow a rule that if they find a similar website dynamic with any company they are at best dealing with a recruiting gimmick, and almost certainly a full blown scam.

All the shenanigans aside of the "faux review"; IS X A SCAM, why no dear reader I am a professional internet marketer and you can trust my judgement. WHY on earth would ANY company looking to be taken seriously even consider this method of marketing? Honest companies want to be at the top of searches so customers and would be customers can easily reach out to them.

I can just imagine the response from small business owners working 70-80 hours a week keeping the shop up and running finding 100 Flexkom websites to wade through. All trying to sell Flexkom affiliate programs, claiming Nooo this isn't a scam. But not one damn site listing participating merchants, number of users in their area, professionals handling the IT, NADA.

@ ribshaw - Excellent Point on what is basically the "800 pound gorilla in the room" Flexkom International is now 4 years old. They are still selling the future because the results from the past are just pathetic. Where are the customers who are benefiting from this service? All of the so-called leaders in Flexkom USA
continue to hype the future. They run contests that reward current Investors to bring in more Investors. It is similar to the Pay-Phone scams from the past, right? And, we all know how that turned out.

The obvious question: When will the regulators investigate Flexkom USA?

Originally Posted by MLM Broken Model

reward current Investors to bring in more Investors. It is similar to the Pay-Phone scams from the past, right? And, we all know how that turned out.

The obvious question: When will the regulators investigate Flexkom USA?

In the grand scale of things, Flexkom is a relatively small scale fraud, especially in the US.

My guess would be the number of "real" member / victims is a lot less than Flexkom would have us believe and what we are seeing is more than likely the product of a handful of very active promoters, rather than any large scale penetration of the US and European markets.

Originally Posted by MLM Broken Model

The obvious question: When will the regulators investigate Flexkom USA?

I have no idea when or if they will which does create a problem inherit to a lot of scams. I believe it was repeated here from other blogs, that the authorities would have shut us down if this was not legit. So the inaction becomes a recruiting tool.

People may get some traction when a seminar comes to town getting their local attorney general to stop by and sniff around. It seems that is where a lot of these actions start ala Russ Whitney, Wade Cook, et. al., but some two bit players have been operating on the seminar circuit for years. Isn't one of the state leaders not too long out of the pokey for running a similar money game?

People certainly have enough information to know what this is about and where their money will end up. As for the law fingers crossed, but there are so many variations of this scam being peddled it is hard to tell who gets roshamboed by Lady Justice.

Poor UncleFesta has his knickers all in a knot because of this comment of mine, and I quote:

"It was refreshing to see them admit they are a Ponzi though. No naysayers required."

It seems his train of thought left him and he ran around searching and searching and could not find where FlexKom said they were a Ponzi. It bothered him so much he wanted to enlist the services of Okosh to do his search for him.

So in the good of untying Festa's knickers that are in a knot, let me save you from all that searching. I was being facetious about the statement released by FlexKom which said, and I quote:

"FlexKom International Holding is proud to announce our new Legal Attorney Firm, Baker&McKenzie. The well known renounced international Law Firm will be coordinating all Legal Rights and Laws for the international expansion schemes of FlexKom International Holding AG."

Now for anyone with an IQ above a potted plant, they would have understood following the progression of posts that I was making fun of their claim "International expansion SCHEMES." Good grief, get a life.

Oh, I went to the movies a few days ago. Do you need Okosh to search for that info too since it is beyond your abilities?

Originally Posted by EagleOne

Poor UncleFesta has his knickers all in a knot because of this comment of mine, and I quote:

"It was refreshing to see them admit they are a Ponzi though. No naysayers required."

It seems his train of thought left him and he ran around searching and searching and could not find where FlexKom said they were a Ponzi. It bothered him so much he wanted to enlist the services of Okosh to do his search for him.

So in the good of untying Festa's knickers that are in a knot, let me save you from all that searching. I was being facetious about the statement released by FlexKom which said, and I quote:

"FlexKom International Holding is proud to announce our new Legal Attorney Firm, Baker&McKenzie. The well known renounced international Law Firm will be coordinating all Legal Rights and Laws for the international expansion schemes of FlexKom International Holding AG."

Now for anyone with an IQ above a potted plant, they would have understood following the progression of posts that I was making fun of their claim "International expansion SCHEMES." Good grief, get a life.

Oh, I went to the movies a few days ago. Do you need Okosh to search for that info too since it is beyond your abilities?

Seriously????.....I could have played with him all weekend over this......Now what am I supposed to do for fun?????

poor unky fecal......fell in **** yet again. he really needs to stop drinking at the Blue Oyster