Thread: FlexKom aka Flexcom aka Weeconomy - legitimate MLM or scam ??

Originally Posted by justlogicnohate

What does Micha have to do w my post Joker? And what division would sell the terminal ? Customer service ? Maybe customer service can send emails and sign up all the stores Joker

You are Micah Theard. No need to pretend that you're not.

Nevertheless, if I manage to get to you, mister John Doe (aka. Micah), wouldn't that mean that a company does not need a horde of sales reps?

As you can see in the videos on youtube, you do not need a special tablet. Flexkom could have just made an app (one that works, that is) and offer that to download by the merchants and the consumers. Way easier, way more viral. Now, there are all those zombies out there making all kinds of claims about Flexkom that are not true. For instance, the guy who thinks that the 2 flexmoney on the app are to be spend at stores. Lots of confusion amongst Flexkom sales reps.

Originally Posted by freighttrain

So there are diffrent kinds of FlexMoney? Those you can spend in stores and those that you can only use to pay for a paid Skype service?


Many of your sales team don't get it. This piece of work tells me that I can spend the 2 flexmoney locally in stores. You should tell him he's wrong.
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And do you think that a sales division like yourself is doing a good job telling people who are discussing the company that this sales division is working for, that they are a piece of work? Do you think that is a professional way of working? Does Flexkom encourage his sales division to be rude and impolite?

Did you not know that Skype is also a paid service wow ignorance is rampant. Pardon me so much for being frank but you guys keep stroking each other on here and buy into each others bs. Who on here actually is a business owner? Anyone ? Do any of you own a store?

Originally Posted by freighttrain

You are Micah Theard. No need to pretend that you're not.

Nevertheless, if I manage to get to you, mister John Doe (aka. Micah), wouldn't that mean that a company does not need a horde of sales reps?

As you can see in the videos on youtube, you do not need a special tablet. Flexkom could have just made an app (one that works, that is) and offer that to download by the merchants and the consumers. Way easier, way more viral. Now, there are all those zombies out there making all kinds of claims about Flexkom that are not true. For instance, the guy who thinks that the 2 flexmoney on the app are to be spend at stores. Lots of confusion amongst Flexkom sales reps.

So people are misinformed (as with who I am obviously) sometimes that happens in this model that is what contracts and policy pages are for. Do you think every person who signs up for Flexkom knows all the info by default?

Do you always talk out if your own butt? Are you really comparing this to selling a $500 service to a store Honestly I hear circus music when reading your post mr.

Originally Posted by freighttrain

Makes no sense. Why would someone who owns a smartphone, not carry it with him? Whats the point if he visits next time, has scanned the QR code at home and again forgot his smartphone?

Why not just enable to register via flexkom.com without an invitation of a rep or store? Much easier. Also, when Flexkom does make it to the newspaper or other media, people don't have to search for a rep or store first. They can sign up right away.

Yes, that way there isn't anyone who gets residual income from the customers who have spontaneous thought of getting the Flexkom app. This makes Flexkom suddenly much cheaper. The whole idea of residual income with a system like Flexkom is a stupid idea to begin with.

If they want to bring the discount with them like delivery of a pizza they may want to leave the terminal at the pizza shop? Not sure if that is a good idea lol

Originally Posted by justlogicnohate

Do you always talk out if your own butt? Are you really comparing this to selling a $500 service to a store Honestly I hear circus music when reading your post mr.

Originally Posted by justlogicnohate

Did you not know that Skype is also a paid service wow ignorance is rampant. Pardon me so much for being frank but you guys keep stroking each other on here and buy into each others bs. Who on here actually is a business owner? Anyone ? Do any of you own a store?

I think Flexkom is proud, having well mannered sales people like you on board.

If you weren't trying so hard I'd almost think that you're a troll, wanting to destruct Flexkom by pretending to be one of Flexkom and then go on a rampage on forums, blogs and youtube. Unfortunally, you actually are one of Flexkoms reps. Poor Flexkom.

Originally Posted by freighttrain

I think Flexkom is proud, having well mannered sales people like you on board.


If you weren't trying so hard I'd almost think that you're a troll, wanting to destruct Flexkom by pretending to be one of Flexkom and then go on a rampage on forums, blogs and youtube. Unfortunally, you actually are one of Flexkoms reps. Poor Flexkom.

I'm hurt really

Minute 50 they do several transactions including paying with Flexmoney. The owner who actually have a business unlike the guys on here he should know what he needs and what Flexkom is for him. FlexKom Mobile Commerce Presentation - YouTube

Originally Posted by justlogicnohate

Minute 50 they do several transactions including paying with Flexmoney. The owner who actually have a business unlike the guys on here he should know what he needs and what Flexkom is for him. FlexKom Mobile Commerce Presentation - YouTube

It is a demo transaction. The guys have a POS of their own. Cute.

You should know that payment with FlexMoney is not yet possible at a real store. Flexkom is somewhat vague about to why that is, but fact is, that it is not possible yet. Did you know that?

Originally Posted by justlogicnohate

I'm hurt really

You should be. You represent a company and your behaviour makes the company look bad. Can't you see that?

If you really would be a good sales man, then you'd see what a great opportunity you have on a forum like this one. You've already got tens, maybe even a hundred people talking about your company. All you need to do is show what a great company you are and you've just turned a hundred people into your personal ambassadors.

But you can't see that opportunity. You are not someone capable of noticing such things. You're just a schmuck coming here all frustrated on how your Flexkom adventure is slowly but surely turning into one big disappointment.

Originally Posted by justlogicnohate

So good to see how the blatant scam accusations are simmering down and now the topic has moved to how the system doesn't make sense. I would say that is some progress.... I have a request. All you guys agree to never take a Flexapp as a bet you make on how sure you are it will never work. So every time you are asked if you have the Flexapp it will remind you of these wonderful times

Oh, there is no doubt it is a blatant scam, we just looking into idea hypothetically if the idea has any possible real-life scenario.

Just a fact that you have zero activity and your never stopping to switch directors running away with 6 digits checks is 100% proof of a scam.

Who pays to replace the terminal/Android tablet if & when it is stolen? How much will they need to pay?

Originally Posted by justlogicnohate

Who on here actually is a business owner? Anyone ?

Do you not read the thread, there is more than one business owner/self employed person who posts here. And a good handful of people who have added some very useful content, no matter what they do. Almost everything posted here has been a direct challenge to the purported business of Flexkom. Four FK reps have showed up and been given a more than ample chance to answer questions that real business people should care about, either as a merchant, or a BM. All we have gotten is some puffery and the occasional MLM meltdown, which is always a crowd pleazer.

Let me guess, you are one of the folks who still believes Robert Kiysoaki really had a "rich dad" who imparted worldly advice on him when he was 11?

This is a recruiting scam, plain and simple. No earnings statements posted, what's to hide? Worldwide merchant network can be found where? Revenue per terminal? Where where where?

How about Google, have they heard of them, OH YEAH you can get a whole list what a great opportunity this is. 4 1/2 years in this is a JOKE.

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Originally Posted by Joe_Shmoe

Who pays to replace the terminal/Android tablet if & when it is stolen? How much will they need to pay?

Its funny you mention that Joe, I got to wondering about collecting the terminal when a merchant bails. BUT what then of the terminal that has been in a restaurant or garage for a few months getting beat to hell and greasy? Nothing says we are a professional organization like "here is your beaten up, scratched, chicken grease filled terminal from the last shop."

Unless the merchants catch on what a poor deal this is, one has to conclude that in some situations it will not be a one time $500 per merchant cost.

Originally Posted by justlogicnohate

Do you always talk out if your own butt?

As has been noted earlier in this thread, rudeness on anybody's part does not help the discussion. And it makes you look especially silly when you've put the words "no hate" in your name.

Originally Posted by ribshaw

... I got to wondering about collecting the terminal when a merchant bails.

If you sign up as a merchant, get the free POS device, and then jail-break it, is that an easy way to get a free tablet?

You don't have to tell FlexKom that you quit ... it's just been a "quiet month", that's all!

(Because all your true discounts are given off the record ... )

Originally Posted by justlogicnohate

If they want to bring the discount with them like delivery of a pizza they may want to leave the terminal at the pizza shop? Not sure if that is a good idea lol

I seem to have missed this one.

Why don't you let go of the idea that there has to be a QR code for a second. If I order a pizza, they most likely know a few things about me. Like;
My phone number
My email address
My address

Wouldn't be one of these things be enough for them to know who I am and give me my discount? Flexkom could simply connect a phone number or email address to a Flexkom customer account. Way more easy than scanning a QR code when delivering pizza's. Hell, even easier at a store. I wouldn't have to reach out for my phone and even when I forget my phone or when the battery is dead, they'd still be able to give me my discount. I'd just tell them my phone number and it's done.

Doesn't it bother you that Flexkom has never thought of this?

But this all does not make any sense as they could just as wel lower the price a bit and skip all the Flexkom work.

Originally Posted by justlogicnohate

So good to see how the blatant scam accusations are simmering down and now the topic has moved to how the system doesn't make sense. I would say that is some progress.... I have a request. All you guys agree to never take a Flexapp as a bet you make on how sure you are it will never work. So every time you are asked if you have the Flexapp it will remind you of these wonderful times

Personally I prefer to focus on, who the people are, and the past history of who is asking me to give them money. Flexkom has a long list of previous offenders as well as an entire European continent complaining about this scam and the people behind it. However, discussion about the product is substantive so I thought this was interesting:

Paul c says:
March 13, 2014 at 4:58 pm
A business associate pitched FlexKom to me in the UK quite a while back (2012 from memory) and I was immediately cautious.

I am a technology professional as well as a business owner so was immediately cautious due to the ‘too good to be true’ nature of the pitch. I have no doubt my associate was well intentioned but it was clear they had been sucked in.

A few points which stopped me putting my money in -

Having developed financial systems for insurers with actuaries I followed the cashflow through for a number if cases and scenarios – it doesn’t stack up.

The rep was unable to specify any protection for retailers operating on tight margins from consistently loosing out by having to release products for credit (which we know isn’t real money)

The flexkom national manager made some sensational claims about how advanced their tech stack was – such as instant delivery of retailers marketing videos to mobile apps with NO buffering. This is technically an impossibility, it either needs to buffer whilst being delivered instantly and be subject to GSM carrier restrictions in bandwidth and speed or; not delivered instantly but downloaded in the background for uniterupted playback.

Not wanting to entirely doubt my friend I followed up with some very detailed technical queries as this would be easiest for me to validate based on my skills.

Where are the servers hosted and by who? We have our own in Germany.

Which operating system do the devices use and which version: we have developed our own propriety OS for performance reasons (maybe they are huge as it would seem the android platform was built specifically for their app! :-/ )

There were more sensationally obscure, technically impossible or blatantly vague answers to the 30 or so questions I posed but I don’t wish to waste time reflecting them here. Folk can of course make up their own mind on this one, but for me it’s not even MLM (which can be productive) as this proposition seems to rely entirely on blinding people with marketing BS and degenerative maths.

- See more at: Is FlexKom a Scam? » Lazy Man and Money

The link ( https://www.facebook.com/cashbackapp...?stream_ref=10 )went to Russell Longcore's Facebook Page. Special guests were Bill Resides, Tennessee State Manager, and Eric Stinnett, Georgia State Manager. Tom McMurrain did an outstanding presentation of the FlexKom Mobile Commerce Rewards program

I recognize Bill Resides, Tennessee State Manager and Eric Stinnett, Georgia State Manager (who I believe posts here as FlexkomGAUSA).

Who is Tom McMurrain?

Is he also a State Manager somewhere?

Originally Posted by MLM Broken Model

Who is Tom McMurrain?

Tom McMurrain is back with the most bizarre scam ever



By Okke Ornstein - September, 17th 2010


Hey, McMurrain! You wanna sue us again?

Friesner’s pimp has a free lawyer for you on offer who has been in jail too!

Remember Tom McMurrain? No? Oh, man, we wouldn’t know where to start. Noni and teak scams. Imaginary tree houses with elevators for the disabled. An independent country that was to be “a physical and virtual community on the natural resources of ones and zeros”. Yours truly discovered two arrest warrants against him for fraud in Atlanta, Georgia, which he vehemently denied. He even sued, lost, appealed – and before he could do any more damage he was indeed arrested and thrown in the slammer. So were several of his employees, by the way. His marketing director was wanted in Costa Rica for fraud and child sex abuse, for example. Other cases included boating under the influence, assault, more fraud – McMurrain ran a high profile robbers den in Panama under the name “San Cristobal Land Development”.

Well, he’s out of jail. And he’s back! Up to no good, of course. We had a great time reading his blog, where he writes under the name of The Dalitomma (whatever that is):

In the hustle and bustle of Success and its many distractions, it is easy to forget our original state. It seems that the full time job of the IM is to be distracting us from realizing what we want most. The IM’s thoughts swing wildly from tree to tree like a monkey, drunk with emotions and opinions, the Entrepreneur becomes deluded by his/her shadow and forgets his/her true nature of flow; this is what I call the “Supreme-Entrepreneur-Syndrome”. When the soul of the Entrepreneur separates him/herself (seemingly so) from the flow of Success and tries to become an island to him/herself.

Is it Narcissism to think we are separate of Success…to think we can “beat” what our essence really is. The Entrepreneur falls in love with his/her IM and all its cunning ways. The IM creates theme parks with un-ending playgrounds that serve as a lifelong distraction to the Entrepreneur. Playing on the playground of our own mind, we become deceived, yes?

Ummm, well, we wouldn’t know, really. Reading the info tab on McMurrain’s Facebook page, it appears that McMurrain has become a sort of an indigenous Buddhist:

I have had cancer and I have been to prison…survived both…I have seen the desert that Jesus, Krishna, Mohammad and Buddha speaks of. It is a very lonely place, a place that you get to know your Self very well. The Bhagavad Gita (The Song of Love) describes a beautiful story of battle that all people face before they cross the proverbial bridge. If you are not aware of the battle that I speak of, you don’t really know. I am fortunate in that I was able to see the depths of hell at such a young age. (…)

During my sixty three month journey through the desert I was befriended by a Lakota Chief who made me a medicine man and honored me with a Lakota name; ‘Man Without Shadow’. There is a special place in my heart reserved for Yellow Knife, The White Buffalo Woman, Black Elk, the Lakota Sweat Lodge, the four directions, Father Sky, Mother Earth and the Story of the Sacred Pipe (Chanupa Wakan). Aho Mitakue Oyasin
With that said, allow me to summarize my life; I have been way down, then way, way up, then way, way, way down and now I AM.

It goes on like this for several paragraphs. But click the “wall” tab and the old McMurrain is back:

Do you want to earn $80,000 a month? Check out this video and Enroll in the hottest social netowrking community in the world – Video explains how: www.joinaachoo.com

So all these hellish experiences of going through the desert and having to deal with Yellow Knife and the White Buffalo Woman and Buddha only served to make him a better promoter of cheesy MLM schemes? We were, frankly, disappointed. It’s not like McMurrain to piggyback on someone else’s ploys. What happened to him in jail, we wondered? Did he lose his touch? Where was the self-proclaimed guru who once told his victims that “God had put it upon him to walk a straighter line” – a line directly from their wallets to his bank account?

Ah, but then Eric Jackson proved how wrong we were, and reported that Tom McMurrain has now acquired the infamous EscapeArtist website from that wackjob Roger Gallo (with what money?) and is offering to sell you a country of your own! We steered our browser towards McMurrain’s latest purchase and, indeed, there it was, authored under his latest pen name “Tom Ocean”:

Buy Your Own Country for only US$150,000. Escapeartist Can Sell It to You

Now you can be a Power Broker and influence people around the world by becoming the Managing Director of your own media empire!
Become your country’s “GO TO” person and enjoy life as a Media Bureau Chief. Wine and dine with those in the power structure of your country to attract foreign direct investment to shape the image and future of your country.
In 2010, you can own your own country and become a Media Bureau Partner with the most recognized name in International living: Escapeartist.



Roger Gallo

Now that’s more like it! When we were finally able to stop laughing, we continued reading to find out what this offer was really all about.

As it turns out, for a small fee of just $150,000, you will be allowed to run your own version of the EscapeArtist website in another country. On top of that, you only have to give 50% of the income such a website generates to McMurrain.

It is basically a franchise offer, with the special feature being that there is nothing to franchise.

Maybe McMurrain doesn’t know this since he was in the desert with his new Indian friends, but websites can be visited from anywhere in the world. So people looking for EscapeArtist will just go to the original and typically not some clone that will inevitably rank lower in the search engines. But that is of course not what McMurrain is trying to have his future victims believe:

With Escapeartist as your partner, you can live a life without boundaries.

Are you ready to own a country and be the voice of your country, on the global stage? If so, Escapeartist has a clearly defined formula for success though our exciting new Escapeartist Media Bureau Partnerships.
For over 14 years, Escapeartist has been the undisputed leader and authority for individuals interested in relocating, traveling, investing, working and retiring overseas. Without question, we put the word International in International Living.
The forward thinking commentaries of Senior Editor and Founder, Roger Gallo have inspired the “Escapeartist Dreams™” of tens of millions of people around the world to ‘jump over many ponds™.’ Now you can become the ‘Roger Gallo™’ of your own country.

We have to admit: We missed this classic bullshit McMurrain prose. Roger Gallo – just so you know – was such a forward thinker that he called McMurrain’s noni and teak scam “the best retirement investment I’ve seen in twenty years!” That was of course before the whole thing spectacularly collapsed, McMurrain went to jail and everybody lost his money – except for Roger Gallo who had at least been forward thinking enough to cash in his massive sales commissions just in time.

Are franchises really that expensive, we wondered? We did a quick search, and guess what? If you’re looking for a real McFranchise instead of the McNoni version: A McDonalds franchise – a real business instead of some wacky McMurrain scheme – costs only $45,000. And if you’re attracted by the “underground” vibe of scam sites like EscapeArtist; why not consider a Subway franchise for just $15,000?

Of course those are much better deals than Tom McMurrain’s scam – they are real, for starters – but even so we can’t wait to see how our favorite noni hustler runs this one into the ground (he always does). Meanwhile, anyone interested in becoming an international media bureau partner for Bananama Republic and living the high life with movers and shakers and influence peddlers all over the world? Now you can!

We love going viral.



Bananama Republic

makes ya wonder how he missed the banners broker boat.

Originally Posted by watsco

Tell me exactly what past? Who and what did he do? What is your source to confirm the story about it? Are there any convictions?Or is this just more internet rumor based stuff?

Tom McMurrain criminal indictment link
http://http://www.jerryhallforcongre...rainindict.pdf


THOMAS E. MCMURRAIN, 37, formerly of Atlanta, Georgia, pleaded guilty today to four counts of a federal indictment on charges of mail fraud and wire fraud. ...
Between 1997 and the end of October 2000, MCMURRAIN obtained over $9,000,000 from 80 investors. In the end, the vast majority of the investors received only monthly interest payments which totaled $1,600,000 over 1997-2000. MCMURRAIN only paid back about $200,000 in principal. The remaining investors never received their principal back.
MCMURRAIN never disclosed to investors that his pay day loan operations were running at a loss. Nor did he disclose that he was using their monies to invest in any other non-pay day loan operations, including loans totaling $700,000 to other MCMURRAIN's companies, as well as uncollateralized loans to friends and acquaintances without collateral. Additionally, MCMURRAIN did not disclose to lenders that he spent and lost $600,000 of their monies on personal day trading and expended another $700,000 on personal life style purchases.




Furthermore, when the scheme unraveled, he ran off the Panama, and had to be extradited. Here's his entry on FraudDigest
On October 12, 2005, Thomas E. McMurrain was sentenced in federal district court in Atlanta, Georgia, to 87 months in prison and ordered to pay restitution of $7,500,000. McMurrain was convicted of mail fraud and wire fraud related to a loan fraud scheme.*McMURRAIN pleaded guilty to the charges on May 12, 2005.*
Assuming he started serving the sentence in 2005, and serve half of 87 months for good behavior and early release, half of 87 is still 43 months, or over 3 and a half years... That would make his release in... 2009 or so.

So he immediately joined TVI Express, a very obvious pyramid scheme 8-ball scam...

Guess a leopard really can't change its spots.
http://http://kschang.blogspot.com/2011/06/who-heck-is-tom-mcmurrain-and-why-was.html

During the pitch, you will be told that Flexkom has won the award for "Most Innovative Product for 2013" in Europe.

You're probably thinking wow, that's an impressive award.

In case you didn't know, this was awarded by an MLM magazine, The Obtainer.
They gave another award for top networker to a Mona vie fellow.

Just sayin.....

Check this headline out: http://New app earns innovative product of the year award Feb. 21, 2014 | 0 Comments 1 A A Debbie Brolley demonstrates how the FlexKom terminal works to Jenna Markham and Don Jasurda during a business luncheon at Peabody's. Written by Geri Peasley Correspondent FILED UNDER News Birmingham FlexKom America hosted a “Lunch ‘N Learn” at Peabody’s Restaurant on Feb. 14 to introduce their unique product to merchants and business people. Their product is so unique, they were recently awarded the “Most Innovative Product of 2013” by the prestigious European magazine, Obtainer.


"New app earns innovative product of the year award" reported in this Michigan local newspaper.


Prestigous European magazine???? How about MLM magazine?


Inmate Magazine awards cell block D for best license plate design. Congratulations on this phenomenal achievement.

Originally Posted by Char

Prestigous European magazine???? How about MLM magazine?

How about "MLM magazine that features an advert from FlexKom on the front page of its' website"

Not really what you could call "impartial" are they ??



Obtainer-online.com

What a dirty, grubby little industry.