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    Quote Originally Posted by UGA1 View Post
    Yes thats exactly what I am calling it, getting trained or certified to do a job is usually what happens when a legitimate company is doing business.
    lol. yeah. everyone calls basic training on a product they know nothing about 'certification'. Do you really have that low of self esteem?

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    Quote Originally Posted by UGA1 View Post
    Have you watched the Flexkom video or seen any presentations? This is not for corporate america. This is for the small to medium size businesses. McDonalds, Wal-Mart, etc will not be using Flexkom. The merchants that will be using this will be your small to medium sized businesses like your local restaurants, dry cleaners, furniture stores, chiropractors, gyms, c-stores, etc….
    I have no reason to watch sales pitches. If you can't answer simple questions, then you shouldn't be in this. This is a basic question any merchant should be asking. If not, then I guess you know you have your mark.
    If walmart asks to be involved, you will have to oblige. Otherwise it will be discrimination.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whip View Post
    lol. yeah. everyone calls basic training on a product they know nothing about 'certification'. Do you really have that low of self esteem?
    That really makes no sense, don't worry about my self esteem. I am not getting into a pissing contest, I answered a question about us getting trained, if you don't like the answer, WHO CARES??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whip View Post
    I have no reason to watch sales pitches. If you can't answer simple questions, then you shouldn't be in this. This is a basic question any merchant should be asking. If not, then I guess you know you have your mark.
    If walmart asks to be involved, you will have to oblige. Otherwise it will be discrimination.
    Exactly, you have not done any research on Flexkom, you want to come on a message board and bash something that you don't know anything about and then when someone who does have knowledge, that has put the POS 4 terminal in pilot stores tries to tell you about the experience, you act like the training was a joke when you actually have no idea….

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    A happy smiley sales pitch tells me nothing about what I want to know. Your company's boy Ian Driscoll made all kinds of videos for Banners Broker and it's a ponzi. Everyone that goes into a job and knows nothing about that job gets training. They don't need to trump it up by calling it 'certification'. I never said training was a joke. Your embellishing of it to try and make yourself look good is what is hilarious.

    So, since you used that lame excuse to dodge the question as always, what is flexkom going to do if a walmart wants to get involved? how can you discriminate against them? If this does what you claim, why wouldn't they want to get involved?

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    You still have not awnsered my questions, UGA1. I know that you are afraid that once you do so, it will turn out that Flexkom is a scam. But dont worry. By the time that you finally get that Flexkom is a scam, you'll still deny it but you'll also be in your next opportunity of a lifetime. By then, Flexkom was your previous life and you don't want to mention that nightmare ever again.

    That raises another question. How many of these opportunities have you been with and how many have actually turned out to be successfull?

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    Quote Originally Posted by UGA1 View Post
    Exactly, you have not done any research on Flexkom, you want to come on a message board and bash something that you don't know anything about and then when someone who does have knowledge, that has put the POS 4 terminal in pilot stores tries to tell you about the experience, you act like the training was a joke when you actually have no idea….
    Then how come that you don't know even the most basic things about Flexkom? You act like you did not know that Flexkom has been delaying everything since 2012. You act like you don't know that **** has hit the FlexkomFan in Turkey. You act like you don't want to think about all the questions and facts that we brought up here. You just blindly believe whatever bullshit your Flexkom sponsor feeds you. You are the one that has not done any research on Flexkom.

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    Could either of you post the Income Disclosure Statement that Flexkom requires be presented in its polices and procedures? It is a available on the corporate website. Seems like maybe we have all been dancing around with hypotheticals when the company has information readily available and encourages its use.

    Quote Originally Posted by watsco View Post
    So the GTM's get paid on customers using the service not merchants. The amount of gyms we need we calculate to 1 per 10,000 people. So if half of them use the service or lets say 1/4 and we make 50 cents a month on each customer it would add up to $1,250 a month. If a GTM has $1,250 coming in from his accounts it would be paid even if that GTM is also working a full time job or decides to retire. The numbers can also be much higher per customers the 50 cents would mean they only get around $5 cash back a month.

    The hard working GTMs could of course do much better than the others.

    Quote Originally Posted by UGA1 View Post
    3. I don't need a marketing analysis. I am smart enough to know that if I put in the 2 merchants with an average of 500 customers each, that is 1000 customers, if I am just earning 50 cents per month on the customer rebates, thats $500.00 per month. So, if all 60 reps only put in 2 merchants = 120 merchants, they can make $500.00 per month with this example. In the counties I mentioned above there are many small business. Plenty of merchants to go around.
    I ran into the same problem as OZ when I tried to pull the Lyoness Income Statement, but it is a very very close model. Lyoness 2012 Income Disclosure Statement analysis | BehindMLM
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    Wow! I just went over the the FlexKom Review: Merchant network and recruitment | BehindMLM page you referred to and found this post about IQ Concept and Cengiz Ehliz. I wonder if Watsco, UGA1 or FlexkomGAUSA have read this? And, is it true? Can you guys confirm or deny the validity of this comment?

    @maron: these are almost exactly my thoughts back in 2007 when I joined “IQ Concept”, an almost identical project of “Cengiz Ehliz” before “FlexKom”. About 2000 partners / affiliates / independent reps lost 2.5. to 3 Millions Euro.
    The Grand Opening took place in Aschaffenburg, a town about 50km east of Frankfurt in early March 2008. The next day the web servers were down and never came back and I’d lost 1500 Euro.
    The concept is great … but it would take a lot of money, and I mean A LOT to do something like this. Remember, Jeff Bezos started Amazon in the nineties offering 6 books over the net. BUT, he had time to grow. However fast it grew he had time.
    Now, if you want to start something kind of similar re. the size of the operation and kind of over night, with thousands of affilliates waiting on the edge of their seats, it would require huge capital.
    Bottom line: stay away from “Cengiz Ehliz”. He is very clever and a very convincing elegant pusher, period.
    There is a lot of material on the net but mostly in German. Here is a Turkish link:
    fakeflexkom.tr.gg/FRAUD.htm
    It seems game over for FlexKom in Turkey.

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    Yeah, IQ concept was an almost identical scam to Flexkom, apart from the app and pos. Chengiz Ehliz scammed 1500 people out of their money. The day after the great launch all websites went to black and never came back online. People still want their money back. This scam mainly took place in Germany. Most sites publishing about this scam are German.

    Few links, some of them in German.

    Michael Kipke vs. Cengiz Ehliz - die Vergangenheit trennt die beiden, nicht FlexKom - Saguntum (Michael Kipke is/was a furious fighter against the scams of Cengiz Ehliz. Ehilz has had several scams. )

    Cafe4eck - Recherchen - Fakten - News - Tipps: FlexKom - Cengiz Ehliz und die Network-Karriere mit Bernd Seitz als (Zensiert) für Deutschland - Seitz und Mattis Werbeagentur GmbH (in the comments several victims of the IQ Concept scam)

    Was war mit IQ-Concept geehrter Cengiz Ehliz (FlexKom)? - Prosperia Salzburg (Cengiz Ehliz blames others for the failure of IQ Concept but he is confident that Flexkom will not fail just like IQ concept did)

    http://www.maharbal.de/iq-concept-de...-den-vorstand/

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    Quote Originally Posted by UGA1 View Post
    I really could care less if you believe anything I say or not.
    That didn't really make sense.

    I think what you meant to say was this:

    "I really couldn't care less if you believe anything I say or not."

    Anyway, carry on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MLM Broken Model View Post
    UGA1 said, "Of course they have to pay Flexkom, everyone who has a rewards program pays for it!!! They decide their discount. If they are giving a 10% discount already, then nothing changes, they just do a 10% total discount."

    This is the part of the Yet-To-Be-Proven model that makes NO SENSE whatsoever.

    I think everyone on this board will agree the Local Small Merchant is being squeezed on both ends - price and margin, by Costco, Sam's Club, Walmart, BJ's etc.

    So along comes Flexkom. Rather than opening Las Vegas and proving the model there, they went straight to the MLMers, Money-Gamers, Over-priced product pedlars and offered them MILLION DOLLAR BONUSES to SELL THEIR FRANCHISE (as it is called in Europe) to other investors. Why not? They sold 40,000 in Turkey and never even had to prove their model (this is a fact and the information is there if you aren't afraid to look for it).

    I give the guys down in TN and Ga credit though. I believe some of them are actually honest people that have bought into the STORY of HUGE SUCCESS in other markets.

    So, you have a Local Merchant who has to compete on PRICE against the other chain stores and Flexkom comes in and says, " We have a solution. Instead of just setting up a mobile texting platform where you can engage your OWN customers and offer them 10% discounts, rewards etc.....use our FREE system and continue to take 10% out of your margins BUT ALSO.....give us another 10% so that we can pay our Multi-Level Compensation Plan and make our profit too. Mr. Local Merchant - - we plan on doing this with other merchants too. And, we will then take some of the EXTRA MONEY we are charging ALL OF YOU.....and give some of it back to you."

    YEAH RIGHT?

    So, with all of this extra money being charged the Local Merchant......does your system allow the merchant to communicate with their customers....right now?
    OR, is this another one of those COMING SOON, WE REALLY MEAN IT THIS TIME - marketing ploys Flexkom is so famous for using all over the world?

    I see most of the posts by UGA1 and Watsco DRIVEN BY FEAR. You can tell because they try and mask that FEAR with happy faces, not actually answering the questions
    and acting like everything in FlexKom World is just fine.

    I have said it before but it needs to be repeated. If there have been 2000 "investors" buy their POSITION IN THE COMP PLAN at $2,200 each, then Flexkom USA has already $4,400,000 UP FRONT.
    They plan on keeping that money EVEN IF the USA fails like so many other countries have done.

    My advice: If you have profited in the selling of this opportunity - - don't spend it.
    Ok thank you. It's not for you I understand. No problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freighttrain View Post
    Yeah, IQ concept was an almost identical scam to Flexkom, apart from the app and pos. Chengiz Ehliz scammed 1500 people out of their money. The day after the great launch all websites went to black and never came back online. People still want their money back. This scam mainly took place in Germany. Most sites publishing about this scam are German.

    Few links, some of them in German.

    Michael Kipke vs. Cengiz Ehliz - die Vergangenheit trennt die beiden, nicht FlexKom - Saguntum (Michael Kipke is/was a furious fighter against the scams of Cengiz Ehliz. Ehilz has had several scams. )

    Cafe4eck - Recherchen - Fakten - News - Tipps: FlexKom - Cengiz Ehliz und die Network-Karriere mit Bernd Seitz als (Zensiert) für Deutschland - Seitz und Mattis Werbeagentur GmbH (in the comments several victims of the IQ Concept scam)

    Was war mit IQ-Concept geehrter Cengiz Ehliz (FlexKom)? - Prosperia Salzburg (Cengiz Ehliz blames others for the failure of IQ Concept but he is confident that Flexkom will not fail just like IQ concept did)

    IQ Concept Déjà-vu: FlexKom-Chef Cengiz Ehliz holt Peter Grünewald in den Vorstand - Maharbal

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    Quote Originally Posted by watsco View Post
    Ok thank you. It's not for you I understand. No problem.
    What a pathetic attempt to show that Flexkom is going to be good business.

    This is a tactic that scammers use. People who don't fall for the scam are then waved goodbye with "ok then it's not for you" and then the scammer proceeds to other people to scam.

    Well done.

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    FlexKom = Tinpot MLM scam from what have seen so far.

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    If Flexkom comes to a town near you, what you need to know.

    From their own policies, this is to be disclosed and is readily available to ALL BMs. Hopefully one to the folks here who are in the program will load it for us, as I read the statement from Flexkom it does not look like it has to be kept top secret. And it would certainly put to rest a lot of speculation.

    I have some thoughts on how "easy" it is to earn $500 a month or get 500 customers per terminal each month. But those are things the company should be willing to sign their name to. If they have 13500 terminals placed they know EXACTLY how many FK members are using each terminal each month.

    Happy talk is for the circus and daycare, when you are being asked to open your wallet demand data.

    FlexKom Income Disclosure Statment.jpg


    Oh and sell and sell fast, no commission for 6 months and they can consider you inactive and show you the door. I am guessing without a refund.

    Hurry Up and Sell.PNG
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    But no worries all! Obama has a license too, so surely it can not be a scam!

    wittehuis.jpg

    When Flexkom has finally put an end to its neverending pilot, Obama will go visit stores and sell them Flexkom POS systems.

    (picture is from the Flexkom backoffice)

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    This space is such a non issue. These people on here are not trying to find out what company is legitimate. They assume every company that pays in more than one level is a scam.

    It wont matter what is said or shown it will still be a scam in their eyes. The questions are set up for more spins on their end. It has nothing to do with research or finding the facts.

    pay plan has levels = scam

    No more needs to be shared on here. The terminal is irrelevant, the numbers are irrelevant all the detail and any picture or really anything we say or do on here is irrelevant. The first issue was as soon as Ian Driscol was determined to be involved it was in their minds a scam.

    So then it makes no sense answering any of their questions. It is a waste of time and effort. They will surely dissect this message and spin it. But check any of these posts and see if any of our responses have been acknowledged without a spin.

    The rudeness is rampant. Name calling a put downs remind me of bullying tactics I seen in middle school. It is all about emotional triggers accusations of us being anything but forthright in our dealings with this opportunity.

    This board here are visited by lots of people in my opinion when they read this site and see the way these guys act it should give them a clue as to what is going on here. None of them have really looked at the FlexKom model. they feel above it, they already have cast the verdict as the judge and jury. They jump from thread to thread and it doesn't matter what the company is, it is simple, with them- ALL mlm are scams and if it has levels it is an MLM.

    The list of companies will be long.

    But it includes:

    Amway
    Herbalife
    Avon
    Melaleuca
    World Ventures
    Keller Williams
    Prime America
    Legal sheild
    Organo Gold
    Nuskin
    Empower Network
    Ambit
    Vemma
    Visalus
    Nerium
    Send out cards
    Isagenix
    ACN
    and all of the MLM companies the list is long.


    These are companies that have been doing business for decades. This isn't a scam site. This is a MLM hater site. This site is promoting to shut down the entire industry of any company that wants to pay people in more than 2 level. So we are not up against a group o scam busters this is simply a hater club for MLM.

    Here is the reasoning. Because people fail in MLM it is a scam. When the number of people in the comp plan shows that not everyone is successful they label it a scam.

    What field is easy to make money? The minimum wage here in Los Angeles is $8.25 an hour. 30% of college graduates are unemployed and three month later they have their student loan asking for the monkey back, and MLM is suppose to have more people succeeding? It should be easier to make thousands of dollars after starting a business that cost maybe $500? It can cost 100,000 to get a degree at the university and then only 7 out of 10 get a job and MLM should be easier to make money. This kind of thinking is remarkable.

    Lots of people share how the industry changed their life. How they made a fortune in MLM. Not unlike anything that can make you a millionaire in cash it can't be mistaken as a easy thing to do. How on earth would a person even think that? But then again we see people buying lottery tickets every week $5 a week $20 a month $120 a year for a 1 in 10,000,000 chance. I can't find a lottery thread on this site. Why not? Oh government sponsored.

    The network marketing company I joined a made a level that only 1 out of 1000 made. But so what? For me it was not that hard. I can say I still felt like I didn't really do my best. I think my American attitude of getting things so easy held me back in that company. Most of the people I noticed would sign up and then they simply quit after a few days. so quitters are victims on this website. The reality is this. You build a team and get paid on the results. The amount of money you make is explained in the comp plan. The product is pitched and sold as the best, just like Coca Cola and Mc Donald's. But these guys have a problem with people failing. People fail everywhere, so why wouldn't they fail in MLM? And if the company fails or their attorney fails in compliance they all fail just like any other company the people will go down with the company. But if an MLM fails it's a scam every time.

    So then there are also companies that are illegal and of course they should be shut down.

    But this place doesn't know the difference. This site does not separate the two and that is why this site is a waste of time for everyone unless you think all MLM should be outlawed then this place will be a home for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by freighttrain View Post
    What a pathetic attempt to show that Flexkom is going to be good business.

    This is a tactic that scammers use. People who don't fall for the scam are then waved goodbye with "ok then it's not for you" and then the scammer proceeds to other people to scam.

    Well done.
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    Relax, buddy, you already scammed Turkey.
    We just want to see how you gonna do US.


    Levels have nothing to do with that, the simple fact is where money are from , is it from retail sales or chain recruiting ?
    You have no retail sales, well you do not even have anything to sell so far.

    You are not a MLM, you are a hybrid of pyramid/prelaunch scam.


    Lies from FlexCon tops - plenty.
    Past scammers involved - plenty.

    Did you expect a warm welcome, when any independent place calls you a SCAM ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by watsco
    They assume every company that pays in more than one level is a scam.
    Excellent, you're learning your craft, watsco.

    Throw in a red herring and then lead the discussion away from where it's heading to where you want it to go.

    It's highly unlikely that the planners of a suspect opportunity would had left such glaring holes in their story that a bunch of posters on an internet forum could declare a fraud exists based on one single fact.

    Rather, it is much more likely any exposure would come in the form of clues or "red flags"

    The fact that FlexKom pays "in more than one level" is incidental to the fact such clues and red flags exist

    After all, the forum is named REALSCAM.com so we are highly unlikely to be discussing MLM companies simply because they "pay in more than one level" if there are no other clues or red flags present.
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    Quote Originally Posted by watsco View Post
    This space is such a non issue. These people on here are not trying to find out what company is legitimate. They assume every company that pays in more than one level is a scam.

    It wont matter what is said or shown it will still be a scam in their eyes. The questions are set up for more spins on their end. It has nothing to do with research or finding the facts.

    pay plan has levels = scam

    No more needs to be shared on here. The terminal is irrelevant, the numbers are irrelevant all the detail and any picture or really anything we say or do on here is irrelevant. The first issue was as soon as Ian Driscol was determined to be involved it was in their minds a scam.

    So then it makes no sense answering any of their questions. It is a waste of time and effort. They will surely dissect this message and spin it. But check any of these posts and see if any of our responses have been acknowledged without a spin.

    The rudeness is rampant. Name calling a put downs remind me of bullying tactics I seen in middle school. It is all about emotional triggers accusations of us being anything but forthright in our dealings with this opportunity.

    This board here are visited by lots of people in my opinion when they read this site and see the way these guys act it should give them a clue as to what is going on here. None of them have really looked at the FlexKom model. they feel above it, they already have cast the verdict as the judge and jury. They jump from thread to thread and it doesn't matter what the company is, it is simple, with them- ALL mlm are scams and if it has levels it is an MLM.

    The list of companies will be long.

    But it includes:

    Amway
    Herbalife
    Avon
    Melaleuca
    World Ventures
    Keller Williams
    Prime America
    Legal sheild
    Organo Gold
    Nuskin
    Empower Network
    Ambit
    Vemma
    Visalus
    Nerium
    Send out cards
    Isagenix
    ACN
    and all of the MLM companies the list is long.


    These are companies that have been doing business for decades. This isn't a scam site. This is a MLM hater site. This site is promoting to shut down the entire industry of any company that wants to pay people in more than 2 level. So we are not up against a group o scam busters this is simply a hater club for MLM.

    Here is the reasoning. Because people fail in MLM it is a scam. When the number of people in the comp plan shows that not everyone is successful they label it a scam.

    What field is easy to make money? The minimum wage here in Los Angeles is $8.25 an hour. 30% of college graduates are unemployed and three month later they have their student loan asking for the monkey back, and MLM is suppose to have more people succeeding? It should be easier to make thousands of dollars after starting a business that cost maybe $500? It can cost 100,000 to get a degree at the university and then only 7 out of 10 get a job and MLM should be easier to make money. This kind of thinking is remarkable.

    Lots of people share how the industry changed their life. How they made a fortune in MLM. Not unlike anything that can make you a millionaire in cash it can't be mistaken as a easy thing to do. How on earth would a person even think that? But then again we see people buying lottery tickets every week $5 a week $20 a month $120 a year for a 1 in 10,000,000 chance. I can't find a lottery thread on this site. Why not? Oh government sponsored.

    The network marketing company I joined a made a level that only 1 out of 1000 made. But so what? For me it was not that hard. I can say I still felt like I didn't really do my best. I think my American attitude of getting things so easy held me back in that company. Most of the people I noticed would sign up and then they simply quit after a few days. so quitters are victims on this website. The reality is this. You build a team and get paid on the results. The amount of money you make is explained in the comp plan. The product is pitched and sold as the best, just like Coca Cola and Mc Donald's. But these guys have a problem with people failing. People fail everywhere, so why wouldn't they fail in MLM? And if the company fails or their attorney fails in compliance they all fail just like any other company the people will go down with the company. But if an MLM fails it's a scam every time.

    So then there are also companies that are illegal and of course they should be shut down.

    But this place doesn't know the difference. This site does not separate the two and that is why this site is a waste of time for everyone unless you think all MLM should be outlawed then this place will be a home for you.
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    You might want to double check your facts about the list of successful MLM companies you tout as being in business for more than decade because of couple of them have only been in business for a few years (organo gold and empower network); but more importantly several of them are illegal pyramid schemes.

    So because we didn't fall all over ourselves proclaiming how great a program FlexKom is, and we are asking questions that none of you seem to want to answer or address, this automatically makes us the bad guys and those of you promoting it are the good guys. Yeah right.

    It is not our fault that all of you keep ducking the questions being asked of you, questions that anyone who claims to be in the program should be able to answer immediately. The fact you can't means you have not done any due diligence other than buy the hype your sponsor told you and that FlexKom is spewing out that has also been proven to be lies.

    You have been given the opportunity to present FlexKom here and why you joined. Your comments have not been censored or deleted, and you have not been banned from posting. So instead of addressing the questions being raised, you choose to do a everyone here hates MLM speech and therefore you are right and we are all wrong for challenging the legality of FlexKom.

    People are coming here to read this thread and they will make up their own minds as to what is real and what is not. At least they are going to have the opportunity of hearing different viewpoints about FlexKom so they can make up their own minds. Obviously we are having an impact on recruiting or you wouldn't be complaining so loudly, and you accuse us of name-calling; and of course the obligatory evil gambling argument. Good grief, at least you have the Ponzi speak 101 down perfectly. You might want to try facts for a change, not Ponzi speak. You do have the facts don't you? Start using them instead of the PR spin of FlexKom and your upline. I seriously doubt if your upline could provide any facts as they have bought the PR spin of FlexKom. But they are more than welcome here to provide the facts since so far none of you supporting FlexKom have done so.
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    re: FlexKom aka Flexcom aka Weeconomy - legitimate MLM or scam ??

    Stop me if you heard this before, an attorney, doctor and network marker walk into a bar....




    POST 176 SEPT 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by justlogicnohate View Post
    Ok so it's quite obvious you have no clue what FlexKom does so I will be more understanding here.
    POST 192 SEPT 2013
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    Here in USA we have 1000 brand manager in our first month.



    POST 251 SEPT 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by justlogicnohate View Post
    As these bloggers are posting nonsense on this here scam blog. I keep posting proof of technology and concept. Just being a Network marketer is a crime on here and that will remain the same. FlexKom is continuing it's growth and currently gaining momentum in every country. My posts on here is giving the reader a chance at having another side to look at when making a decision. Ultimately this place will obviously be their domain as it is called Real Scam so what you will find here is all their views against FlexKom. You will find our issues we had in Turkey in the past. Launching a company of this magnitude does not come without challenges.

    I will keep posting on here about our progress and these guys will keep posting anything negative they can find.

    meanwhile the reality is FlexKom is not slowing down and it keeps gaining momentum the launches across the world keep showing that we are here to stay and in the end the company will show what it is about. That is when you will know for sure.
    POST 253 SEPT 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by justlogicnohate View Post
    It has come to my attention!

    what we have on here is a group of professional realscam bloggers who are working this blog fulltime "Niksam" "freighttrain" "joe Schmoe" are everywhere on this website and so the business model is having a team of guys who do nothing but attack Network marketing companies. FULLTIME!

    these aren't real people with real concerns these are professionals keepint this website current as their seems to be a lack of real people with real concerns posting on here.

    Follow their names from and to each company expressing their views of the companies. One has to wonder what is in it for them? Why are they spending countless hours on here. How can they afford to invests so much time talking about an industry they don't have any involvement in?

    You will know that when you look for garbage you will find it. And these guys will be here full-time talking about any company they can find that is getting any kind of attention.

    Slander and more slander.
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    Three words used by promoters of suspect "opportunities" repeatedly that are guaranteed to elicit a sympathetic response from the public:

    "bullying" and "not fair"

    Allege they are being "bullied" and they KNOW it will produce an emotional response in many people, whether there is any bullying happening or not.

    Similarly with their claim anyone who speaks out against the "scam-du-jour" is being "not fair"

    As if it's somehow "fair" they be allowed to spin their lies and deceit and rip people off, but "not fair" for anyone to point out the bleeding obvious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by watsco View Post
    This space is such a non issue. These people on here are not trying to find out what company is legitimate. They assume every company that pays in more than one level is a scam. It wont matter what is said or shown it will still be a scam in their eyes. The questions are set up for more spins on their end. It has nothing to do with research or finding the facts.
    Watsco many of us have tried to engage you in a meaningful dialog about Flexkom, with questions that relate to the matter at hand. This is a site that seeks to prevent people from losing money, not one that exists on claptrap of how everyone can quit their job and work from home. The questions should be hard, if more people took the time to ask hard questions less would be scammed.

    Something as simple as the Flexkom income disclosure would clear a lot of things up. If 95% of BMs are making under $1000 a year after expenses, as is the case with virtually every MLM in existence, people have a right to know. If they still want to proceed, I wish them well. That you and others will not provide any answers beyond what we can get in a sales spiel makes a true dialog a bit challenging.

    FLEXKOM FACTS AS ALREADY ESTABLISHED IN THIS THREAD

    As high up as the C-Suite, Flexkom has leaders who have been involved in very questionable recruiting schemes, and at least one outright scam.

    BMs in Turkey had to take Flexkom to court after a botched roll out.

    FlexKom was caught presenting phoney certifications and awards.

    Flexkom recruited over 1000 BMs in the USA around Sept 2013.

    Flexkom ran an opportunity seminar in Chattanooga in January 2014 and decided to do a test market with only 60 BMs the next month.

    Flexkom representatives claim to have both active merchants and users, but are unwilling to substantiate the network when asked about it.


    Those are FACTS as presented in this thread, not sure which of those has to do with MLM. They have a lot to do with how recruiting schemes operate. Wonder how the 1000 folks who signed up in 2013 are feeling with their wallets $2000 lighter? How should a family who has a Flexkom seminar coming to a Days Inn near them react to the FACTS as presented?
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