Thread: FlexKom aka Flexcom aka Weeconomy - legitimate MLM or scam ??

Thanks, at least we got one of your colleague - WATSCO on this lie :)
Would you mind to review all statements from him here in this thread, and point out where else he was incorrect .

The numbers of shipments he mentioned here: #post66455

Originally Posted by FlexKomGAUSA

@ NikSam

No POS 3 terminals have ever been shipped to the US. The US was never going to install the POS 3 terminal so there were obviously no shipments. Unfortunately whoever you are relying on for your information is not keeping you up to date which obviously will create some major confusion.

Hopefully this will help: Approximately 500 POS 4S Terminals are sitting in Las Vegas right now which was the first shipment of terminals to the USA. I say approximately because a few have been sent out to the State Managers and approximately 10 each has been sent to the initial markets of Chattanooga and Mobile. There will be no need for refunds on POS 3 terminals because they were never purchased.

To date there are only a handful of terminals installed in both Chattanooga and Mobile. They are populating on the app and if you have the app you can search those areas and see them. We are getting letters of intent signed by merchants right now in those two markets. Our reps in those two markets have been trained and certified by FlexKom and are preparing for the market rollout. The reason for the letters of intent is to assign the merchant to the BM who is working with them and to hopefully prevent multiple sales calls to the merchants prior to the launch. Currently, I am responsible for the master list of merchants in our Greater Chattanooga market. There are hundreds of merchants on the list. I hope this helps clarify some things for you.

Originally Posted by ribshaw

The risk to you is $2000, but the real risk =$2000 X (TOTAL BRAND MANAGERS). If you are one of the top salespeople in your market then you're likely in good shape, if not everyone else is competing with you just to break even.

In the aforementioned Chattanooga market if there are 60 BMs, $1,200,000 is at risk, next to zero risk on the Flexcom side as they already have the money. The question then becomes does FK create a real system to deliver enough revenue to pay back those who invested through actual revenues. Worldwide, what we have seen thus far is the recruiting part performing like clockwork, the execution and affiliate payback has been a little light.

60 BM x 2000 = $120,000.00 not 1.2 million, but I get the picture. Well here in the US, we will see soon. The pilot stores in the Chatt/North GA (which they are a handful) are working properly and batching properly in the merchants back office. This I have seen with my own eyes.

Originally Posted by ribshaw

Unless you are dealing with a real Clever Clogs my money is they are two separate people, probably Salting the Mine for corporate.

I am not the same person as FlexkomGAUSA, I am just a GTM from GA and a diehard Bulldogs fan, nothing to do with corporate just trying to give honest answers regarding Flexkom. If you want to remove me I guess that is your right as the Administrator, but we are not the same person. Thanks

Originally Posted by UGA1

I am not the same person as FlexkomGAUSA, I am from GA and a diehard bulldogs fan thus my screen name. I thought I was joining a legitimate conversation about Flexkom, If you want to remove me, I guess as the administrator, that is your right.

Fair enough, so how would you explain the fact both of you have posted using exactly the same IP addresses ??

FlexKomGAUSA 205.144.209.253 75.90.7.92

UGA1 205.144.209.253 75.90.7.92

While the conversation may be legitimate, it sure as h*** looks like you guys are engaging in a little bit of shady behaviour.

Now, you're either both using the same 'net connection at the same time or are the one guy logging in using two usernames who both logged in here one minute apart today.

Which is it ??

Originally Posted by NikSam

Thanks, at least we got one of your colleague - WATSCO on this lie :)
Would you mind to review all statements from him here in this thread, and point out where else he was incorrect .

The numbers of shipments he mentioned here: #post66455

Show me where I said the POS3 was shipped to USA

Originally Posted by littleroundman

Fair enough, so how would you explain the fact both of you have posted using exactly the same IP addresses ??

FlexKomGAUSA 205.144.209.253 75.90.7.92

UGA1 205.144.209.253 75.90.7.92

While the conversation may be legitimate, it sure as h*** looks like you guys are engaging in a little bit of shady behaviour.

Now, you're either both using the same 'net connection at the same time or are the one guy logging in using two usernames who both logged in here one minute apart today.

Which is it ??

We are on the same team in Flexkom and share an office building, If I was trying to hide that, I probably would not have put UGA in my user name, we are not the same person. As for as being shady, I would invite you to Dalton, GA and I would be glad to take you around to our pilot stores, buy you lunch and use my Flexkom app to save money.

Originally Posted by watsco

Show me where I said the POS3 was shipped to USA

As far as we know now nothing was shipped. But you said it was, POS3 was my assumption as FlexKomGAUSA said POS4 was never deployed

Originally Posted by UGA1

We are on the same team in Flexkom and share an office building,

Good to know,

now our readers know exactly with whom they are dealing.

Originally Posted by UGA1

60 BM x 2000 = $120,000.00 not 1.2 million, but I get the picture. Well here in the US, we will see soon. The pilot stores in the Chatt/North GA (which they are a handful) are working properly and batching properly in the merchants back office. This I have seen with my own eyes.

Are you guys aware that commissions are paid out to all the brand partners?

Originally Posted by littleroundman

Fair enough, so how would you explain the fact both of you have posted using exactly the same IP addresses ??

FlexKomGAUSA 205.144.209.253 75.90.7.92

UGA1 205.144.209.253 75.90.7.92

While the conversation may be legitimate, it sure as h*** looks like you guys are engaging in a little bit of shady behaviour.

Now, you're either both using the same 'net connection at the same time or are the one guy logging in using two usernames who both logged in here one minute apart today.

Which is it ??

It is easy, one is browsing on POS3 other is on POS4 , on the same networks, and they travel together everywhere they go :)

or they working late at the same office building, lotsa of work ;)

Originally Posted by NikSam

As far as we know now nothing was shipped. But you said it was, POS3 was my assumption as FlexKomGAUSA said POS4 was never deployed

I said the POS3 was tested.

Originally Posted by watsco

I said the POS3 was tested.

Look here: #post66455

Originally Posted by wastco

...
FlexKom has opened several pilot stores in AL and TN in February also some new pilot stores are also open in Paris. These are the first of many stores that will open over the next 4 weeks. After this weekend and the event that took place in Paris, Paris now has 5,000 terminals paid for pre-ordered to go into stores in March at no charge to the merchant. POS 4S is completed and first shipment of the terminal has arrived in several countries.

Store owners in the initial testing phase are very excited and pleased with how the terminals have been bringing new customers to their stores. FlexKom is pleased to announce the transactions have been going through with out any problems and the testing phase is a success.

Over 300 stores in TN and AL have signed a letter of intent to purchase a terminal as soon as the 2nd shipment arrives in USA.
...

What did I get wrong out of it, there were devices shipped / deployed . You can call it "tested", did I say if I need tested or not tested?

So who is from 2 of you is right or wrong.

I repeat the question:

How Many POS3 devices were shipped into US, and lated setup in stores (even if for testing).

Originally Posted by FlexKomGAUSA

@ NikSam

No POS 3 terminals have ever been shipped to the US. The US was never going to install the POS 3 terminal so there were obviously no shipments. Unfortunately whoever you are relying on for your information is not keeping you up to date which obviously will create some major confusion.

Who is going mad here , I think not me ?

Originally Posted by NikSam

It is easy, one is browsing on POS3 other is on POS4 , on the same networks, and they travel together everywhere they go :)

or they working late at the same office building, lotsa of work ;)

and it was only coincidence they both just happened to log in within the same 60 second time period.




Oh look,

there's a flock of pigs flying past my window.

Originally Posted by NikSam

It is easy, one is browsing on POS3 other is on POS4 , on the same networks, and they travel together everywhere they go :)

or they working late at the same office building, lotsa of work ;)

Actually, I am at home, but thanks for being concerned about me working late, great sense of humor. As I see it, the way to end all of the speculation is to come to a store in our area where Flexkom is installed and see it for yourself. Don't take my word or anyone else's, remember I am just giving you my personal experience with Flexkom.

Originally Posted by littleroundman

and it was only coincidence they both just happened to log in within the same 60 second time period.




Oh look,

there's a flock of pigs flying past my window.

Who cares when we logged in, again I challenge you to come and look at the terminal for yourself. Isn't that the purpose of this topic???

Originally Posted by UGA1

60 BM x 2000 = $120,000.00 not 1.2 million, but I get the picture. Well here in the US, we will see soon. The pilot stores in the Chatt/North GA (which they are a handful) are working properly and batching properly in the merchants back office. This I have seen with my own eyes.

Good eye on my bad math.

There are several who have confirmed to have seen things with their own eyes. What I don't know and would like to pin down is will we see it soon? What will constitute a successful roll out that would lead to expansion? Is there a situation where recruiting would cease and BMs refunded? Of the 10,000 potential merchants in Chattanooga (if this is the number) what sort of closing ratios and revenues are needed to make this profitable for the 60 BMs?

]The last numbers I saw from Turkey were on the order of 40,000 BMs and 4500 merchants. So 1 merchant for every 4 BMs? Now maybe this number will or has changed, but in my opinion people who are trying to make a decision on whether to invest or not should have some concrete idea of their chances of return on investment.


What sort of details can you provide on the working and batching properly?

If we are talking about a gym and three restaurants as previously listed, what sort of traffic are we talking about?

Originally Posted by UGA1

I am not the same person as FlexkomGAUSA, I am just a GTM from GA and a diehard Bulldogs fan, nothing to do with corporate just trying to give honest answers regarding Flexkom. If you want to remove me I guess that is your right as the Administrator, but we are not the same person. Thanks

I am not ADMIN, failed the drug test, twice. What LRM was saying is both you and the other guy signed in from the same location, my first guess would be the same office but different people. Which I see was answered whilst I typed. As long as we get some honest answers for those that will be hearing a FK pitch at a Ramada in their town that will make me all warm and fuzzy.

Originally Posted by UGA1

We are on the same team in Flexkom and share an office building, If I was trying to hide that, I probably would not have put UGA in my user name, we are not the same person. As for as being shady, I would invite you to Dalton, GA and I would be glad to take you around to our pilot stores, buy you lunch and use my Flexkom app to save money.

What Office building might your FlexKom "team" be located at?

I only see homes in the West Dug Gap `Mountain Road area, no offices.

FlexKom Trace Route.jpg

FlexKom.jpg

Originally Posted by Ribshaw

What LRM was saying is both you and the other guy signed in from the same location,

What LRM was doing was giving both UGA1 and FlexKomGAUSA the opportunity to clarify for potential FlexKom members exactly how it is that both of them happened to share the same two internet addresses on multiple occasions and just "happened" to both sign in here within the same 60 second timeframe today.

Heaven forbid either one of them is attempting to deceive potential recruits into believing the Georgia FlexKom "team" is something it isn't

Originally Posted by ribshaw

Good eye on my bad math.

There are several who have confirmed to have seen things with their own eyes. What I don't know and would like to pin down is will we see it soon? What will constitute a successful roll out that would lead to expansion? Is there a situation where recruiting would cease and BMs refunded? Of the 10,000 potential merchants in Chattanooga (if this is the number) what sort of closing ratios and revenues are needed to make this profitable for the 60 BMs?

]The last numbers I saw from Turkey were on the order of 40,000 BMs and 4500 merchants. So 1 merchant for every 4 BMs? Now maybe this number will or has changed, but in my opinion people who are trying to make a decision on whether to invest or not should have some concrete idea of their chances of return on investment.


What sort of details can you provide on the working and batching properly?

If we are talking about a gym and three restaurants as previously listed, what sort of traffic are we talking about?




I am not ADMIN, failed the drug test, twice. What LRM was saying is both you and the other guy signed in from the same location, my first guess would be the same office but different people. Which I see was answered whilst I typed. As long as we get some honest answers for those that will be hearing a FK pitch at a Ramada in their town that will make me all warm and fuzzy.

Ribshaw, no problem on the math at all buddy, I understand. I think a successful rollout of course will be up to the Global Team Members doing their job along with Corporate. Our area is now closed to Global team Members because we have reached the number we need to reach the merchants. Of course with us being the launch market in the US, there will be some learning curves as we go, but as in any business, as you know, only a small percentage of the team members will do the work (my opinion only). Now you can still sign up and build a team in another open market but you can't build a team or sell to merchants in our market now. So, we now become a direct sales team that goes into the merchant place. Each area consists of regional coordinators to help this effort along with State Managers. The coordinators in each area are responsible for the merchants and the sales force making sure we don't overlap and making sure every merchant gets touched by Flexkom and trained properly if they decide to use the system. Of course, the state managers have the responsibility of working with the regional coordinators. I think like anything else, it can be very profitable for the people who work it just like any sales job. As for as working properly and batching properly, that was the purpose of the test markets. I went to a restaurant that has Flexkom and got my discount, saw the merchants back office and it showed the transaction in his back office and on my app. I have seen this app. 10 times since we put the first machines in which has only been about 2 to 3 weeks. I have talked to other team members and they have had the same experience to date. It seems, everything is working properly on the customer end and on the merchant side. The merchants in our area have been very receptive to Flexkom. Our area is really big on reward programs to keep up with the big box merchant, so this has been a very positive experience for us to date. I can't speak for Turkey or anywhere else, just my experience. I know the big question, is will this catch on and work here in the US, honestly I don't know but I do know that we are excited about the possibility and the merchants are excited too.

Originally Posted by Joe_Shmoe

What Office building might your FlexKom "team" be located at?

I only see homes in the West Dug Gap `Mountain Road area, no offices.

FlexKom Trace Route.jpg

FlexKom.jpg

I guess your tracking system is off, that is not where I am located. I would not imagine it would matter if I worked out of my home though, but I do not.

Originally Posted by littleroundman

What LRM was doing was giving both UGA1 and FlexKomGAUSA the opportunity to clarify for potential FlexKom members exactly how it is that both of them happened to share the same two internet addresses on multiple occasions and just "happened" to both sign in here within the same 60 second timeframe today.

Heaven forbid either one of them is attempting to deceive potential recruits into believing the Georgia FlexKom "team" is something it isn't

I would not deceive anyone with any business venture that I am in, I do more than Flexkom and that is not how I do business.

All I am trying to do is give my personal experience with Flexkom, some team members may have a different experience, but mine has been very positive at this time and only time will tell how well Flexkom does in the US market. I can tell you this, they are a lot of sharp business men in Flexkom and we are working hard to make it successful in the US.

Originally Posted by MLM Broken Model

Watsco - I went back and ran the numbers again and I was right: 571 users out of 5,000 or about 12%. Sorry.

Plus, you failed to address the rest of my post. If you will notice, I used 3rd party confirmation to make my point.
What did you use?

You said, "1000 stores = 1.5 million users." Amazing. Is this like your post from earlier where you predicted FlexKom will be making Billion-Dollar contributors to charities.
What is even more amazing is you are showing 1.5 million users FOR A MODEL THAT HAS YET TO BE PROVEN........anywhere in the world!

Now, that is QUITE the scenario you paint there Watsco. And, your continued use of exaggeration says a lot more about you than you think.

Remember, you came back to this board and CONFIRMED the company is telling the truth about the 4.5 million customers and 13,500 merchants.
I asked FlexKomGAUSA the same question and he has yet to
respond. Wonder why?

MLM broken model do you suggest that these numbers can be
proven on this website?


The numbers can't be proven on this website.

Should the video have 13,500 pictures of shops?

Should we submit a list with 13,500 shop names?

No matter what is posted it wont suffice to prove the numbers.



When I have people who are looking at FlexKom

I show them what it is. I ask them to do their due diligence and research.

They do. Some of them then are interested. Some of them are not.

If they are the way you are, Skeptical and need more proof. I let them know

they can go to Turkey call a friend check the videos and now go to Tennessee and Chattanooga to see the terminals in stores working.

If that is not enough I simply let them know it is not for them. I would eventually say MLM broken model this is not for you.

This business is not your cup of tea.

It is to risky, to many grey areas. To speculative. I would advice you to pass, I wouldn't keep discussing it.

So the proof is out there to some capacity. If you need to see it. Go there. Or not.

I can't prove the numbers. Time will do it

Originally Posted by NikSam

Look here: #post66455



What did I get wrong out of it, there were devices shipped / deployed . You can call it "tested", did I say if I need tested or not tested?

So who is from 2 of you is right or wrong.

I repeat the question:

How Many POS3 devices were shipped into US, and lated setup in stores (even if for testing).



Who is going mad here , I think not me ?

NO POS3 was shipped to USA. I have not said ever that the POS3 was shipped to USA. There is not one mention of the POS3 in my post.

@ Watsco

No need for further discussion on whether Flexkom had 4.5 million customers and 13,500 back in August 2013. FlexKomGAUSA already posted that he had never heard these numbers and HE IS THE STATE GUY FOR ALL OF GEORGIA and probably is better informed than you.

Flexkom already received at least $150,000 from you guys whether (as you say) this company with many grey areas, speculative and risky makes it or not, right?

For your sake and that of the other Flexkom reps on this board , I hope it works out. Otherwise, I can see a lot of refund requests and complaints coming in the not too distant future.
My only advice would be this: Don't spend the recruiting bonuses you guys received as rewards for convincing others to invest their $2,200 just yet.