Thread: FlexKom aka Flexcom aka Weeconomy - legitimate MLM or scam ??

Originally Posted by watsco

I'm not interested in a he said she said.

This has got to be the funniest thing a Flexkom sales rep has ever said.

You do realize that Flexkom is all about he said she said? It is never that someone of Flexkom has any facts themselves, they are always talking about someone else who has said that he said..


You also claim to have done some research. Then you'll definitely have done research on mr Ehliz, Sakinmaz, Driscoll (or whoever your country manager may be, in every country Flexkom selects crooks to be their country manager) etc. You know that these are people who have a life long trail of scams. You'd also have found that Turkish newspapers write of 30.000 people ripped off.. And you'd maybe have done some math yourself with Flexkom, revealing that there is no way there is money to be made with this scam. Apart from the money people pay when they sign up to the pyramid scam.

My Dear Watsco is in a blind state of denial.

QUESTION: Has FlexKom proven their model in ANY country EVER?
The company said (on website under Company) they have already sold licenses/franchises to 50,000 reps in 10 countries so far.

The ONLY thing FlexKom has PROVEN is their ability to collect UP FRONT payments for a SYSTEM that has NEVER been proven.

AGAIN (3 years and tens of millions in up front fees later).......has FlexKom proven their model in ANY country EVER?

Remember.....the model used in Turkey was completely different to what is being launched in the other countries. If you are not aware of this FACT, I will explain later.

Originally Posted by watsco

Just got back from Germany and Turkey last week. This is real. Stores are there. I went to a lot of stores in Leipzig on my own. Turkey stores where open and accepting cards. Store owners satisfied with the service.

many stores in the video below including the headquarters in Switzerland.

thanks for the great evidence on which stores were scammed or conspired with the scheme

Originally Posted by freighttrain

Here another gem from Micah Theard. Why not hire sales people?



I'll let you guys watch the vid first. Maybe someone like justlogicnohate likes to comment to it first, before I'll explain why this is pure bullshit that mister Theard is telling you.

First, Micah assumes that Flexkom would need 30.000 sales people in order to launch Flexkom globally.
Maybe Micah has been sleeping over the last 20 years. We now have this thing called the Internet, on which you can reach almost all of the word population trough channels like Facebook & Twitter or maybe even your own website. It is no longer necessary to visit someone in person in order to tell him or her about something. So it is not necessary to have an army of 30.000 people. Take any populair app nowadays. Most of these apps do not have more than 40 people working on it. For example, Whatsapp has 40 of 50 people hired. Still, whatsapp has 350 million active monthy users.

Let's say that, for whatever reason, it still is required to have this amount of people who are more or less working for you. (allthough a Flexkom sales rep is not working for you, it is paying money and has no right to receive any loan). Then the worst decision you could make is having people that get paid by recruiting other people which get paid to recruit people which get paid to recruit people etc. Yes, this is a quick way of gathering an army of people. But what qualities do these people have? As the owner of the company, you do not know what kind of people you will get on board. I think Micah himself is the best example. He makes youtube videos in which he does some sort of review on critics. In these vids, he calls these people idiots and morons. Way to get a good reputation for your company!
And yes, it is possible that when you hire people the normal way, that you hire a guy like Micah who is not doing his job good. But then you can simply fire guys like him. Flexkom can not fire people, as they are not hired.

Then for the so-called facts being told by Flexkom. It is all about he said she said. You get a story from your sponsor (the guy who has signed you up) which got the story from his sponsor etc. This way the stories always get mixed up, exaggerated or simply told wrong.

Then for the poor math of Micah. Being an Flexkom sales rep already confirms that you can't do any math, so let's make this one easy. Google has been around for how long? 15 years? Then how is it possible that there are over 46.000 people working for Google, if it would take over 200 years to hire this amount of people according to Micah's math?

So, it is always bullshit to use a MLM system to roll out a company. It is just another excuse to steal savings from naive people.

Originally Posted by Integro

A Personal Message From Ian Driscoll

“Hi Flexers,
....
On the Saturday Peter Grunewald went through the technical parts .... Peter informed us they have 8 server banks in the Cloud and can now handle 8 BILLION transactions in one day ( WoW ). ...“

8 billion per day!?

And I thought my company was doing "big data" at 50 million jobs per day.

8 billion definitely puts them up there with the big guys .....
Which APIs Are Handling Billions of Requests Per Day?

Ian doesn't even know how a smartphone works. He's known for his silly statements. In an appearance on Trinidad television he claimed that the internet was created in 1994.

Originally Posted by freighttrain

Ian doesn't even know how a smartphone works. He's known for his silly statements. In an appearance on Trinidad television he claimed that the internet was created in 1994.

I think he confused it with Netscape web browser, which was first mainstream after the Mosaic one and could run from 1.44MB floppy disk

I knew a guy who used to make money selling floppy disks with free Netscape and free Trumphet internet dialer for $10 a piece,
telling them they "buying the internet at discount , it is worth way more", maybe Ian is one of his customers

Ripoff Report | FlexKom Complaint Review Nationwide: 1096436

Lets talk about scams everyone!

Your life and how you live your life is a scam. The amount of "money" you make is a scam. The amount of time you get after working 9-5 is a scam. The world is a big scam. If you look around you see nothing but stress. Stress to survive the world. "Not enough" is written on everyones face. People panicking because network marketing doesn't work for most people is only because the rest of world is upside down. We have gotten used to "not enough", "not enough" for everyone so we have to fight for what is there. Why do we allow this to be what we believe?

We are slaves and if we aren't slaves we enslave people to get out of being slaves. Where does all the wealth go? Why does it look this way? What is the deal with this world of ours?

We have the technology and we have the will to make it better. What is the problem? Are we really this moronic as a whole where we can't come together and make it work for the world? Is lack the reality? Do we really not have enough to go around? No one would go hungry if we saw the truth of our world. This is a team and we are in it together or we die.

It has to be reconstructed and redone. Look at yourself and your life. You, what did you do so far in this world? What do you think about how we are doing so far?

Since your birth until now we have really made a mess of things. We are self destructing and you are asleep waiting for what?

Spending time on this stuff is a joke. I hope you and your friends do something that really makes a difference. This here is a distraction.

Maybe it takes someone who really cares to step up and tell you how it is.

Youre life is a scam you are scammed and you where born into a scam. The world the whole world is a scam.

So, freighttrain / justlogicnohate / watsco you've decided to return to us with your pearls of wisdom.

I'm not going to ban you immediately, however, could you please indicate which of the three usernames you'd like to keep and I'll can the other two for you.

Must be hard out there recruiting new victims err........members if you have to resort to such trickery.

freighttrain (double t) - is not him

freightrain (one t) - is Micah i guess,( and i think he had one too many or got some great weed from Turkey), he just in love with us, wait, let him talk to his other selves , we will watch

He is just desperate for someone to agree with him.

Originally Posted by NikSam

freighttrain (double t) - is not him

freightrain (one t) - is Micah i guess,( and i think he had one too many or got some great weed from Turkey), he just in love with us, wait, let him talk to his other selves , we will watch

He is just desperate for someone to agree with him.

OOPS !!

My mistake.

I missed the "double T" trick.

So, freightrain, watsco and justlogicnohate.

All posting from the same IP address AND at the same time.

No one ever said HYIP pimps had to be smart to do their dirty work, I suppose.

Originally Posted by freightrain

Lets talk about scams everyone! ....

This post is utter drivel - a bunch of incoherent generalities.

Originally Posted by freightrain

We are slaves and if we aren't slaves we enslave people to get out of being slaves. Where does all the wealth go? Why does it look this way? What is the deal with this world of ours?

Where does the wealth go? I answer this I recommend a book called http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Creature.../dp/0912986395

Originally Posted by freightrain

You, what did you do so far in this world?

I think this is a pretty arrogant position to adopt, but seeing as I'm in the mood for answering, just one of the things I've done is volunteer for Crisis at Christmas · What we do · Crisis

Originally Posted by freightrain

Since your birth until now we have really made a mess of things.

What's my birth got to do with it? The human race has been going a looonnnng time, and actually, despite all the awful things that go on, the human race has actually never been in better condition than it is today. People are more aware, government is more accountable (I know, hard to believe), fewer people are living in extreme poverty (globally speaking) and there's less war than ever before.

It seems like these things are all worse because we hear & see much more about them, and we're better connected than ever before, but part of the actual result of that is that more gets done about it than ever before.

Here's a good example: Soldiers of Peace Movie

Originally Posted by freightrain

We are self destructing and you are asleep waiting for what?

Youre life is a scam you are scammed and you where born into a scam. The world the whole world is a scam.

How about the scam of making your name "freightrain", so similar to the well known "freighttrain" - that's pretty low stunt!

Now shut up, you're boring me.

Originally Posted by freightrain

Lets talk about scams everyone!

rationalize

justify

lay blame

yada

yada

even more yada

The world the whole world is a scam.

Gee,

all that to justify your participation in a scheme designed to defraud many innocent victims as is possible.

First of all, I feel honored that Micah Turd tried to impersonate me. Makes me feel like I really impressed him with my postings.

But I feel sorry for his dumb ass the has to resort to this kind of childish behaviour. He must be really desperate knowing that Flexkom scammed him. Poor ******* :(

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Flexkom in the UK, Netherlands, Belgium and Germany is falling apart rapidly. France and Italy are following.

America still believes thiat Flexkom is not a scam



Let's tell scammer Russell Longcore the truth

Russell, welcome to Real Scam. First, some real tips on sussing out scams.

1. If someone looks like they are shooting a video in a gym they should be mopping, it is probably a scam.

2. Things are called SCAMS because they are not a good deal for the consumer financially. You use Verizon as an example of google + scam. Not many would say Verizon itself was a scam, but they may say OVERAGE CHARGES, CONTRACTS, or PHISHING EMAILS pretending to from Verizon are "SCAMS". Pretty simple on that front.

3. WWW.REALSCAM.COM does not accept advertising, or pimping of programs by members. So no one here is calling something a scam, and then pushing something else as the "real deal". And on that front, you will find a LOT of sites that ask "Is FLEXCOM a SCAM", only to tell you nope sign up now. Sort of like, well your video.

4. This is a recruiting scam, sounds great but will generate more from recruits than it ever will in real revenue. It is hardly unique in its product or scope.

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Part II

1. You assert that if this was a PONZI this would have been shut down. This is not a Ponzi, at least not yet, but more to the point, on what planet do you live? Ponzis can and do run for years, completely undetected. Yours is like a TV detective telling the victim's family, "we'll get them for you". Any idea how many crimes never get solved?

2. The people would be Prosecuted. LOL, again too much TV detective, not enough real world.

3. The business is "Under Construction", which is a tell tale sign of a recruiting scam. Any idea how many crap programs are in "Pre-Launch"? If you don't understand that this is part of the con, you are not really equipped to lecture on due diligence.

4. Asking people to check Government Agencies in general is a good point. But its hardly a slam dunk in protecting yourself against scams. See 1 and 2.

5. Awards-LOL That has been covered here, the FLEXCOM awards are all fake, as in they have 0 merit outside the scam world. Someone putting out videos on something not being a scam should not make such a amateur mistake.

6. Money--WTF money are you speaking of??? The only money so far in this ruse has gone one way, into the hands of the Flexcom founders and heavy recruiters. Hence the SCAM.

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Scammer Russell Longcore has hired a team of bots to like his Is flexkom a scam? vid. Very professional.

Hey Steven

My friend here in San Diego just got back from the Vegas Convention... He is pretty high on FlexKom and I am just learning it... Here is what I THINK I KNOW From the Customer Side....1) Once you join and download the APP you receive 10% off your purchases at participating FlexKom locations...2) FlexKom stores and participating businesses then contribute an additional 10% of your purchase to the BIG PIE... So the store has given away 20%, which is not uncommon.... The stores of course WIN because they recieve checks from all purchases each month (a small rebate or reward each month) and they are in the Buyers Group of FlexKom with a growing list of people who want to use FlexKom participating locations... The RUB as I see it is that the stores have to replace thier existing POS system with FlexKom POS system... Which for many stores is far too much to do in HOPES of a return.. Not saying they wont, just saying it will be challenging. Love to hear what you know... Joseph...San Diego

Originally Posted by Joddy23

Hey Steven

My friend here in San Diego just got back from the Vegas Convention... He is pretty high on FlexKom and I am just learning it... Here is what I THINK I KNOW From the Customer Side....1) Once you join and download the APP you receive 10% off your purchases at participating FlexKom locations...2) FlexKom stores and participating businesses then contribute an additional 10% of your purchase to the BIG PIE... So the store has given away 20%, which is not uncommon.... The stores of course WIN because they recieve checks from all purchases each month (a small rebate or reward each month) and they are in the Buyers Group of FlexKom with a growing list of people who want to use FlexKom participating locations... The RUB as I see it is that the stores have to replace thier existing POS system with FlexKom POS system... Which for many stores is far too much to do in HOPES of a return.. Not saying they wont, just saying it will be challenging. Love to hear what you know... Joseph...San Diego

Hi Joddy23,

Welcome to Realscam.

In the example above you provide to us of a participating FlexKom location, what type of store might we be talking about?
Also who provided you with the percentages that you presented to us? Are they accurate?

Originally Posted by Joddy23

My friend here in San Diego just got back from the Vegas Convention... He is pretty high on FlexKom and I am just learning it...

Welcome Joddy! How many other deals/opportunities has your friend been excited about in the past? And of those how many have returned a reasonable profit when factoring in work and time?

There is no doubt in my mind the Flexcom roadshow will steamroll through the states getting people "high" and cashing checks along the way. How many is the question, aren't there like 40,000 in Turkey who signed up 15,000 vendors. So 100,000 in the states, 200,000, 300,000,000, FK for ALL.

There are plenty of folks in Flexcom that were excited about numerous other programs that never panned out, except for the recruiters.

Originally Posted by Joddy23

The RUB as I see it is that the stores have to replace thier existing POS system with FlexKom POS system... Which for many stores is far too much to do in HOPES of a return.. Not saying they wont, just saying it will be challenging. Love to hear what you know... Joseph...San Diego

I think this is right.

I question how many business owners want to deal with a largely unprofessional sales force, en masse at that. Using the ole standby Amway even if it was the bestest opportunity ever, the past 30 years of being approached by nitwits has soured most of us. So now everyone is going to be running in and out of businesses pitching Flexcom? How many different reps will have to pop in and out of high traffic businesses before the owner says F-THIS!!!!

Folks are basically paying for the opportunity to sell on commission with no benefits, no draw, no company vehicle. Or as an alternative, they could just make U-TUBE videos and tell others how great paying to knock on doors can be. Sooner or later, everyone is on U-TUBE making videos just hoping to get back to even.

Joddy, I am confused, who is Steven ? who is Joseph ?


did you copy-paste all of it from somewhere ? what exactly in this you think is worth of anyone's attention?


About POS systems, it is clear that nobody would replace existing ones , specifically not with stuff which does not even exists,
and whatever FlexCon comes with, it will not provide all required functionalities as processing cash/debit/credit/food stamp/state tax payments, product inventory and pricing, looking at FlexCon App - my little sister can make one better,
and I am not even mentioning that each piece of POS equipment must be licensed and certified in US, FlexCon will never even dare
to submit their stuff for licensing :)
Some store owners might take it as an extra crap , to try out and see if lines of idiots with FlexCon cards will show up, till they realize they been had.

Originally Posted by ribshaw

Welcome Joddy! How many other deals/opportunities has your friend been excited about in the past? And of those how many have returned a reasonable profit when factoring in work and time?

There is no doubt in my mind the Flexcom roadshow will steamroll through the states getting people "high" and cashing checks along the way. How many is the question, aren't there like 40,000 in Turkey who signed up 15,000 vendors. So 100,000 in the states, 200,000, 300,000,000, FK for ALL.

There are plenty of folks in Flexcom that were excited about numerous other programs that never panned out, except for the recruiters.



I think this is right.

I question how many business owners want to deal with a largely unprofessional sales force, en masse at that. Using the ole standby Amway even if it was the bestest opportunity ever, the past 30 years of being approached by nitwits has soured most of us. So now everyone is going to be running in and out of businesses pitching Flexcom? How many different reps will have to pop in and out of high traffic businesses before the owner says F-THIS!!!!

Folks are basically paying for the opportunity to sell on commission with no benefits, no draw, no company vehicle. Or as an alternative, they could just make U-TUBE videos and tell others how great paying to knock on doors can be. Sooner or later, everyone is on U-TUBE making videos just hoping to get back to even.

In the States business people are tossing out POS sales people all the time. flexscam will just be another on the pile.

Complaint Centre Lyoness: FlexKom: the new Lyoness?

FlexKom is a 'company' founded, allegedly, in 2010, by either Cengiz Ehliz and/or Asker Sakinmaz, which are both presented as current CEO of the 'company', most probably because they are supposed to represent different divisions of the 'company'. It claims to be some sort of a franchise provider, supplying its partners (which pay about 1500 euros for a 'gold package') with the right to enrol shops into the network, sell them the special FlexKom machines (for about 400 euros), which functions as a reader for the FlexKom cards. The enrolled shops then have the right to issue FlexKom cards to their customers, with the promise that the cardholders will get discounts on their purchases at FlexKom-affiliated shops, and the shops are promised a percentage in commission over the purchases made by the cardholders at every FlexKom-affiliated company. Naturally, the earnings exponentially increase as soon as new partners and shops are brought in.

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The company appears to be Turkish, but is most often claimed to be from Germany - yet is registered in Switzerland.
FlexKom International Holding AG, Kreuzlingen - trade register data and business information
Also , like Banners Broker and other scams, many of the national divisions, presented as if they were incorporated and registered at the local chambers of commerce, are not findable in the company registers or the local chambers of commerce.

Both Cengiz Ehliz and Asker Sakinmaz are not officially attached to the Swiss corporation registered under the name 'FlexKom International Holding AG'. Instead, the two names currently attached to this holding (as managers and founders) are Hasan Süslu and Guido Gmür. About Süslu, nothing much is publicly available. About Gmür, however, one can find a little bit more. According to Moneyhouse, Gmür has worked for about 13 companies, amongst which is First Tax AG, registered on the same address as the FlexKom headquarters. Observant readers may remember that this is the company of which Lyoness co-founder and tax and bankruptcy expert Iwan J. Ackermann is the co-founder and CEO.