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    Quote Originally Posted by Integro View Post
    Picture second from right.
    Ah! The one with the biggest pearly grin and who in other pictures has a triangular goatee beard.

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    Oh noes, we got debunked! Turns out, all the people not involved in Flexkom are simply dumb! Now it all makes sense.


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    Haha, they are getting very nervous. But sorry I cannot hear this longer than 3 minutes...
    '" It's only an issue in Holland and Germany". He's forgetting Turkey! All other countries will follow soon with anti-flexkom-blogs. In England you have with Driscoll and Stokes two Banner Brokers scammers who are involved in Flexkom. I can not imagine that these 2 imposters are given the chance to do the same scam again?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Integro View Post
    '" It's only an issue in Holland and Germany". He's forgetting Turkey!
    They're referring to the topic title of the Reddit discussion they are doing a review on. I do have to admit that the one who started that reddit discussion, did a rather poor job. I't not only Germany and the Netherlands in wich Flexkom is active, its also lots of African countrys, USA, France, Italy, Spain, etc. etc.

    The reddit discussion can be found here:
    Flexkom Scam Turkey - Germany & the Netherlands : Scams
    The blog that the topic starter is referring to on the Reddit discusison is gone. He hasn't included any more prove in his post. Also, his points aren't really strong and clear. Luckily, a few other Reddit members did include links to other websites, proving their point. The guys from the vid have skipped those links, of course.

    The fact that the guys from the vid are referring to the non-believers as losers, dumbasses and morons says enough.

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    "All people who are not understanding the Flexkom business model are dumb....." Sorry, but impossible for me to listen the full comment of these BRAIN WASHED IDIOTS. The commentator and scammer scambloggertakedown from the Reddit discussion are probably the same person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Integro View Post
    Sorry, but impossible for me to listen the full comment of these BRAIN WASHED IDIOTS.
    I know what you mean. But calling FlexkomFollowers idiots is not going to help opening their eyes. They'll simply be forced back into the Flexkom cult. Because there they feel understood. Out here, in the real world, they don't. Shouting at them only makes their feeling of being misunderstood stronger.

    'MLM' The American Dream Made Nightmare: 'Lyoness' and its copy-cat, 'FlexKom,' have exhibited the universal characteristics of a cult.

    Best thing you can do is try to open their eyes with logic and reasoning. Most Flexkom people will not be cured with logic and reasoning, but that's their choice.

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    Of course you are right… I know the blog from David Brear and it’s interesting stuff to read. It’s unbelievable that normal, reasonable people are not be able anymore to place things like Flexkom in a proper perspecitve.

    But we also know that – besides the normal people – there are a number of imposters (e.g. Driscoll) inside such a organization who are making weak people crazy.

    Below a message from a Flexkom scammer to a potential prospect….


    “Generally speaking, MLM has a bad name. When people here of MLM, they turn the other way. This is because of what many companies have done with the MLM structure. They have used it illegally to run ponzis or pyramids. But did you know that MLM is a legitimate business model, and furthermore, can be extremely lucrative?

    FlexKom is not an MLM company. Its core business is still the loyalty system and retail outlets. However, there is a separate side of the business which can be utilised if needed, and that part involves networking. Some call it MLM. This side of the business is totally optional and can be used for a limited amount of time and then stopped when you are satisfied.

    If you did decide to take advantage of the networking side of the business, you stand to make a good deal more than if you relied totally on the retail side of things.
    If you’re making say £35,000 per month by simply visiting retail shops, then networking and creating say 6 partners, can quite easily double or triple that. You’d be sitting on £60k-£90k per month with a handful of partners.

    So although you’ve heard negative things about MLM, you can’t carry that through to this business, because FlexKom works differently. Furthermore, the figures you are able to achieve through this method of networking are just too large to be ignored.
    FlexKom has a special additional pay structure applicable to those who do utilise the networking side of the business.

    We’ll go over some of that tomorrow….”

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    Quote Originally Posted by freighttrain View Post
    'MLM' The American Dream Made Nightmare: 'Lyoness' and its copy-cat, 'FlexKom,' have exhibited the universal characteristics of a cult.

    Best thing you can do is try to open their eyes with logic and reasoning. Most Flexkom people will not be cured with logic and reasoning, but that's their choice.
    I've come across this guy's blog a while back. Whilst you're making a valid point here, personally I find him in his expression a bit too much of a hater. For example, I think it would be wise to leave religion out of Flexkom discussions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stewart View Post
    I've come across this guy's blog a while back. Whilst you're making a valid point here, personally I find him in his expression a bit too much of a hater. For example, I think it would be wise to leave religion out of Flexkom discussions.
    I totally agree. Especially his next blog, in which he compares Flexkom to certain parties in WOII, is a bit too much in my opinion.

    I like logic, facts and mathematics more. Nothing beats a good equation along with logic and facts.

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    1. I see what you mean (the book…). Haven’t even noticed that before. No mean to take this discussion into religion or whatever.
    2. The other picture is a censured copy from the David Briar blog and of course intended to be ironicalk, as kind of wake-up call.

    But you both have a point, let’s try to focus on facts & figures - however not always easy ;)

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    We shall see.....Indeed ;)

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    Ah, you've resorted to making childish cartoons, displaying how you've failed to read and understand our posts.

    Do they pay you FlexMoneys for this? Or are you just frustrated that you cant find any awnsers to our posts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by freighttrain View Post
    Ah, you've resorted to making childish cartoons you dummy dum dum, displaying how you've failed to read and understand our posts.

    Do they pay you FlexMoneys for this? Or are you just frustrated that you cant find any awnsers (he means answers) to our posts?
    Flexmoney?? What is that? Are you talking about something that doesn't exist? Where would I use it mr Freighttrain? In make believe stores with make believe terminals? No they would have to pay me in dollars not flexing money!

    laters!

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    Dear MLM-shill justlogicnohate (or should i call you Micah:) )

    would you mind please explain to everybody here your role in this pyramid ?

    including disclosure if you are being employed, paid, contracted or more than just a participant of a kind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NikSam View Post
    Dear MLM-shill justlogicnohate (or should i call you Micah:) )

    would you mind please explain to everybody here your role in this pyramid ?

    including disclosure if you are being employed, paid, contracted or more than just a participant of a kind.
    JLNH is fine.

    And I would answer your question if I understood your terminology.

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    Just wanted to clarify something, on Google+ your profile says you work at FlexKom,
    on your pimping site it says you and Jason are "FlexKom Global Team Members / US Regional Coordinators & Sales Managers"
    on your facebook it says you are CEO at "Geeks Own Technology" and you like cash cyclers (Rocket cash Cycler, Ultimate Power Profits, ...),
    on your other facebook it says you work at "Runway Textile",
    on your youtube you are sitting together and talking with Asker Sakinmaz.


    just wondering.
    Who are you exactly at flexkom (other than a sucker who bought "Global Team Member" license)?

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    Hey Niksam, what is your role in this hexagon?

    Employed, paid by competing companies. Working for The Islamic Fettulah movement.

    Maybe just a silly hobby....:-)))

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    No, just locking scammers up from time to time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NikSam View Post
    Just wanted to clarify something, on Google+ your profile says you work at FlexKom,
    on your pimping site it says you and Jason are "FlexKom Global Team Members / US Regional Coordinators & Sales Managers"
    on your facebook it says you are CEO at "Geeks Own Technology" and you like cash cyclers (Rocket cash Cycler, Ultimate Power Profits, ...),
    on your other facebook it says you work at "Runway Textile",
    on your youtube you are sitting together and talking with Asker Sakinmaz.






    just wondering.
    Who are you exactly at flexkom (other than a sucker who bought "Global Team Member" license)?
    hahahahahahahahaha good try!!

    Now what part do you play in this Hexagon again?

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    Quote Originally Posted by justlogicnohate View Post
    hahahahahahahahaha good try!!
    It's called skill, talent and perseverance.

    Three things that are sadly lacking in the "justnonsensenologic" household, judging by what you choose to promote..
    The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing

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    Micah, I do not know what kind of voodoo you talking about, what do you refer by "Hexagon" ?

    other thing, why do you need 4 (maybe more) Google+ accounts ?
    do you create new one every time you forgot your password or you prefer to keep different things you pimp in different places?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NikSam View Post
    Just wanted to clarify something, on Google+ your profile says you work at FlexKom,
    on your pimping site it says you and Jason are "FlexKom Global Team Members / US Regional Coordinators & Sales Managers"
    on your facebook it says you are CEO at "Geeks Own Technology" and you like cash cyclers (Rocket cash Cycler, Ultimate Power Profits, ...),
    on your other facebook it says you work at "Runway Textile",
    on your youtube you are sitting together and talking with Asker Sakinmaz.
    Quote Originally Posted by NikSam View Post
    other thing, why do you need 4 (maybe more) Google+ accounts ?
    do you create new one every time you forgot your password or you prefer to keep different things you pimp in different places?
    How did you find these profiles and how do you know that this is the same guy? Don't see any links listed by justhatenologic's profile on this forum?

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    As a graduate in economics, this is my thought process in considering this subject:

    Vendor A has an item to sell - a widget. There is a minimum price he/she will accept; of course he/she would prefer more.
    Punter B wants a widget. There is a maximum he/she will pay; of course he would prefer less.

    Simple situation #1: Vendor A and punter B meet face to face, either by chance, by prior knowledge, by going to a known location, such as a market or high street (or ebay)

    No other person, company or agent is required - they talk, they agree a price (or fail to agree) and a sale is made or not.
    (For efficiency, retailers often fix their price and advertise it - saves time for everyone, for routine purchases.)

    In this simple situation, *any* additional agent is actually parasitic upon the hard work of both A and B (for example, sales taxes or VAT)

    Complex situation #1: Vendor A or punter B don't know that the other exists. Or perhaps all the A's that B meets, or all the B's that A meets can't agree the price.

    Assuming that somewhere out there is an A to match the B, at this price, how do you find them?
    This is where an additional agency comes in. For example, vendor A can advertise his widgets - in the local newpaper, a sign in the street, via a website, word of mouth, or even through an agency (for example, estate agent, recruitment agent, etc)

    In this situation, the 3rd agent will take a cut of the wealth of both A and B, perhaps an agreed percentage. In this situation the 3rd agent should not be considered parasitic - for they have brought something necessary and valuable to the table: information. Without the information, the trade could not have happened, and to be fair, the 3rd agent probably had to do some work to facilitate provision of the information.

    For these following scenarios, punter B is not actively seeking a widget, or rather his/her willingness to pay is too low.
    Simple situation #2: Vendor A, sells widgets. He/she is not making sales - failing to find sufficient punters B as above, and wants to shift this stock. Vendor A wants to persuade punter B to buy a widget that he might not otherwise buy.

    When eventually A and B agree a price, vendor A has had to lower his/her minimum price he/she will accept. Vendor A doesn't really want to do this, but has no choice. A 50% loss on stock is better than a 100% loss.
    Vendor A vows to him/herself to make better decisions about stock purchases and his/her guesses of what the market is like.

    Alternatively, perhaps vendor A's discount is an ongoing situation, in order to reach a certain market, for example, a student or old-age discount. In this situation, the discount CANNOT be at a loss, because it is not a one-off, but an ongoing situation. A discount that's too steep is better off not being given at all. Vendor A has to assess whether it's worth it going after that market sector.

    In this situation, there is no 3rd agent, it's just that there is an additional cost, for vendor A, to running the business. Punter B is better off monetarily from this - BUT is not necessarily more wealthy, because that would assume that punter B *really wanted* the widget (as in Simple Situation #1 above)
    When I bought my biker leathers for £350 instead of £500, I was more wealthy, because I was looking for leathers and would have bought some anyway (it's also a once in a lifetime purchase).
    When my wife came home with her 30th pair of shoes because "they were in a sale" .. ok, let's not get into that discussion ;-)

    Complex Situation #2
    Vendor A is persuaded by a 3rd agent (advertising, VISA services, window cleaning) that he/she should pay for that agent's services. Vendor A now has increased costs to the business. Vendor A has to decide if it's worth it. Advertising pulls in punters. Visa makes it easier for punter B to pay = increases likelihood of a sale. Window cleaning makes the shop more attractive and pleasant to enter.

    What about a service that, for whatever reason, doesn't deliver? For example, advertising that fails to pull in punters. For example - a local magazine that doesn't have quite the circulation promised, or perhaps some "SEO services" that promise "you'll be No#1 on Google, but you have to wait 6 months for it to work".

    The wise vendor A will acknowledge their mistake, learn from it, write off the loss, and move on.

    But what if that 3rd agent "service" has vendor A "locked in"? This gets interesting.
    For example, every punter that comes in from the failed magazine must be given a discount at a loss to vendor A?
    Sometimes this is done: "35% off 1st purchase" or something.
    If the magazine doesn't pull in the punters, only the purchase of the advert is lost.
    If the magazine works, then the discounts are given and vendor A hopes to keep all the punters B that come in as customers.
    Ok, still all fairly inert. Some decisions work, some don't. Small business is often trial and error like this.

    But in a magazine that doesn't have the circulation, or isn't working, what if they say:
    "If you advertise with us, we will give you a cut of every trade made off the back of *every other* advert in the magazine."
    Sounds good doesn't it?
    But you have to reverse the flow: for every punter coming to vendor A for a widget, via the magazine, by what mechanism does vendor C (the local horse-riding school - also advertising in that mag) get their promised cut?
    Answer: by taking a cut from the trade for a widget between A and B. Would this cut be parasitic (as in sales tax) or deserved (as in a required business cost for information and facilitating a trade which would not have otherwise happened) ?

    Why does the horse-riding school deserve a cut? Is it because they paid money to the mag, for an advert, thereby helping to keep the mag in business, so that the mag can do its job of pulling in punters for all the advertising businesses?
    Sound convincing to you?
    Not me. This extra artificial injected construct sounds fishy to me.
    Either the mag has the necessary circulation *innately* or it doesn't. Either it pulls in the punters or it doesn't.
    A magazine (in my area there are a number of these free local mags get put through your door) will have to do or create *something* of value, to add to the exchange. Maybe it writes good articles and editorials. Maybe it screens the businesses so well, that punters feel stress-free about trusting those businesses. Maybe it simply has massive circulation - such as Google or Facebook.
    But something about the quality of the mag is such that makes the punters *want* to be exposed to those adverts.

    How do you judge such quality?
    Well, that's a fuzzy thing, probably having much to do with the business sector, but perhaps includes such things as brand reputation, eg Google vs Lycos (remember them?) or for smaller 3rd agents, maybe it's a judgement call about the people running it themselves, such as who is it who writes the editorials for that advertising free-mag? Or maybe personal reputation, for example, Virgin's brand rests a great deal on Richard Branson's personality and likeableness.

    However you judge it, a component part will be to do with how other people judge it - in other words, the word-of-mouth / viral factor.
    This component is so important, in fact, that some companies spend money & effort trying to force the viral factor. Done with skill this may work. Done badly, it can backfire so bad that a company goes bust almost overnight. (Of course, an engineered viral factor is slightly an oxymoron, but some brands could be said to achieve it - for an example, google "chipotle scarecrow")

    What of a company were trying to spontaneously create such situation? ie, having no *innate* quality factor, they simply believe that being big enough is good enough, and therefore specifically target circulation size as the cause of popularity and viral factor above all else. In other words, try to make a service popular by saying it's popular. Would there be workability to this?

    I don't know about that, but what I do know is that _if_ it's going to work, that company would have to reach a critical mass of circulation before it would be workable. To achieve that, it all rests on persuading enough punters to receive copies of the mag, and enough vendors to advertise, all in one big push.

    Part of that would be trying to create a self-proving situation, where if enough people think it will be big enough, then they'll sign up and so it will be.
    But is that how Google, Facebook, Twitter, Microsoft, Apple, etc got big? Did people start buying iPhones *purely* because they wanted to be compatible with everyone else who would also be buying iPhones (they believed)?

    Perhaps we need something more than that, to persuade people to sign-up. Having no *innate* quality, we come back to the gimmick of:
    "If you advertise with us, we will give you a cut of every trade made off the back of *every other* advert in the magazine."

    Is this gimmick a suitable, workable injection of quality into the trade equation to switch that 3rd agent from being a parasite, to being an enabler of trade?
    It sounds enticing because everyone loves free money. But is it a bona fide "value add"?

    My answer is: NO!

    Why? Because the "value add" is coming from another vendor, and another trade.
    The cash back that vendor A gets, and the cash back that punter B gets, come from that horse-riding school and other vendors and punters.
    In other words, whilst on *this* trade, A gives a discount to B, and has to give the advertiser a slice, and therefore loses out, the "value add" in the form of cash coming in to A is not only nebulous and unquantifiable, but it relies on vendor C's loss to exist at all.

    The 3rd agent has created an APPARENCY of "value add" by displacing the location of the loss. It appears to add value to the trade of persons A & B only when you consider persons A & B and don't look at the wider scope. The moment you consider all of those people together, all making trades via this 3rd agent, it can be seen that the 3rd agent remains parasitic.

    And what of the "critical mass" factor? What if the 3rd agent does indeed become as big as Google?
    Imagine a town where *everyone* was signed up to FlexKom. That means that EVERY TRADE GIVE FLEXKOM A SLICE. And in exchange for what?
    Is it for the enabling factor of added information? After all, that's what businesses are willing to pay Google Ad for.
    But with Google, the business pays PER CLICK, NOT PER TRADE. Google Ads pulls in new punters. Existing punters don't need pulling in.
    And a business isn't locked in to Google.

    Ok, maybe vendor A isn't locked in, because they don' t have to offer discounts to B via FlexKom. But in that case vendor C gets no cash back (passive income) from the trade of A & B.
    Actually, vendor A IS LOCKED IN, because he's obliged to honour FlexMoney that vendor C offers when buying a widget.
    Or if he isn't obliged to honour FlexMoney purchases, then FlexMoney collapses as a currency.

    So you get either:
    Endgame A) Businesses are all offering discounts and "trying out" the FlexKom system, so vendor A is giving some of punter B's money (paid for the widget) to FlexKom, and vendor C gets some FlexMoney out of that, which he can spend with vendor A, for a widget which vendor A bought for real money from the wholesaler. In other words, vendor A has been duped into giving away widgets for free. He thinks he's getting value because the cash flows on this circuitous route via vendor C. And each iteration of that circuit, FlexKom takes their cut.

    It cannot sustain. So we get:

    Endgame B) Businesses have all paid for a FlexKom terminal, but don't want to offer discounts, so there's no cash back being given and no FlexMoney circulating, and the thing just sits there as an unused piece of expensive electronics taking up space.

    Meanwhile, FlexKom walk off with all the REAL money, whilst giving away lots of FlexMoney, which costs not FlexKom, but the vendors.


    And all the while it looks SO CONVINCING, because there's always these arguments for why the 3rd agent is an enabler, not a parasite. That it's injecting into the economy, not leeching.

    And the whisper echoes down the ages and the hotel conference rooms and the internet forums .... "Just wait until they get big, then you'll see."

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    Quote Originally Posted by freighttrain View Post
    How did you find these profiles and how do you know that this is the same guy? Don't see any links listed by justhatenologic's profile on this forum?
    Maybe i am Hexagon voodoo master or "scam blogger"/ "shyster" / "scammer myself" how Micah likes to call us here.

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