Thread: Club Asteria - club-asteria.com

Hello Path2prosperity,

Eagle One and Glimdropper have been able to get me signed up here. I do not know much about Club Asteria other than what I have read here, but it looks like the founders of CA are using lots of lipstick for their pig. Do you (or anyone else) have any details of the various payouts and promises that CA is making?

Originally Posted by path2prosperity

If you can locate this man Lynne and he joins us here, you will have an injection of pure gold for the naysyers cause........snip......

Good to have you here Entertained, and glad I could play a small role in helping make it happen.

Entertained:

Sorry I have not been able to answer your question as I am preparing for a seminar I am doing tomorrow night. Didn't want you thinking I was ignoring you. Hopefully by the time I get finished someone else will have answered your question, and provided their comp plan. I know that GlimDropper has a question for you on the previous page or on page 3.

GlimDropper,

I'd be happy to help (although at this point it might be beating a dead horse, errr, Ponzi). I am afraid I don't know too much about CA, so I'd appreciate a few details....

Originally Posted by GlimDropper

Fairly trivial but a though occurred to me. I'd been looking at the cash flow numbers from the individual user break even perspective. At the current 6.25%/week return it takes 53 weeks for a passive gold member to break even for example. But the numbers look very different from C-A's perspective. When you join as a gold member you pay $19.95/month but $9 of that goes to the person who recruited you. The network directors get commissions in addition to that but the numbers there are too opaque to be cleanly factored. But it is safe to say that while a passive gold member breaks even in 53 weeks (at current return rates) the company actually starts losing money on that same gold member in under 37 weeks.

Back when Ad Surf Daily was a hot topic there used to poster at Patrick's (and at other places) going by the name Entertained, there wouldn't happen to be anyone here he owes a favor to that I could barter with? He was better than anyone I can think of with mathematical modeling and I'm coming close to thinking we have access to enough data to predict the specific growth rate required to sustain C-A. Within a margin of error to be sure but provided with the correct formulas, and someone either patient enough to or wielding a heavy enough stone to get them through my skull, we stand a chance of having a clearer notion of when this house of cards will fall then Kenny boy and his pimps.

A fools errand perhaps but that's all you'll get from me tonight, I'm going down the drinker. If you're posting in this thread tomorrow morning, please type softly. :)

Entertained,

you can read all the bulls.....err.....details of the Club Asteria "revenue sharing" plan HERE

....the pain, the pain.....

What total BS.

Club Asteria, based on the information that is out there, seems pretty easy to deconvolute, if we use the Black Box model. As a quick refresher, the BBM allows one to discard all of the flowery verbiage and focus on the cash flows. We can ignore the irrelevant language such as Asteria's, directors, gold members, silver members, upline commissions, etc. (Those can be modelled with a spreadsheet as well, the results of which depend on the assumptions one makes....more on that perhaps later). In any event, here's the Club Asteria cash flow BBM:

Members contribute X dollars per month (in the form of gold, silver, director fees and special Asteria purchases -- it doesn't matter). The owner skims off at least 25% (and as much as 50%). The payout for the month is thus no more than 75% of the total input. The "average member" therefore loses 25% minimum of every dollar he or she sends in. Can't get around it. Individual results will vary (as in any Ponzi).

Another simple way to look at it.......

Let's assume that there are no new members joining, and the member base contains just 10000 gold members. Let's also say that each member has sponsored enough others in such a way that each member shares equally in the 25% recruitment bonuses. Then, each and every month, each gold member pays in $20, and recives $15. What a deal.......

Originally Posted by littleroundman

Entertained,

you can read all the bulls.....err.....details of the Club Asteria "revenue sharing" plan HERE

LRM:

Thanks for providing the link for entertained. Though he may not be able to access the site, as they are having "issues." Not a lot of happy members right now. They can't access the site, and keep getting server error 504. I am seeing a lot of posts claming they are not professional. Gee, wonder what their first clue was?

Originally Posted by EagleOne

LRM:

Thanks for providing the link for entertained. Though he may not be able to access the site, as they are having "issues." Not a lot of happy members right now. They can't access the site, and keep getting server error 504. I am seeing a lot of posts claming they are not professional. Gee, wonder what their first clue was?

HeHeHe,

C'mon Lynne,

you know very well that in the world of HYIP ponzis of the modern era, just saying it has a reliable website DOES set the HYIP apart.

HYIP ponzi players don't care that the website ISN'T reliable, just as long as the "admin" SAYS it is reliable.

If the HYIP also claims it has DDoS protection, "players" fall about the place in absolutely orgasmic delight.

What's more, if the HYIP also claims to have "upgraded" its' server and/or website, GOOD LORD !!!!

What more proof of legitimacy could a ponzi player require than a HYIP saying it has a reliable website, DDoS protection AND increased server capacity ???

LRM: In regard to your question: What more proof of legitimacy could a ponzi player require than a HYIP saying it has a reliable website, DDoS protection AND increased server capacity ??? Why Andrea's update on all the great philanthropic things Club Asteria and their members have accomplished. That alone makes this legit. Hmm, wait. Bryan Marsden was doing all those good works, Blake Prater was doing all those good works, Garrett Rainier was doing all those good works, Robert Spearman was doing all those good works, Andy Bowdoin was doing all those good works, uh.......Never mind.

Originally Posted by EagleOne

LRM:

Thanks for providing the link for entertained. Though he may not be able to access the site, as they are having "issues." Not a lot of happy members right now. They can't access the site, and keep getting server error 504. I am seeing a lot of posts claming they are not professional. Gee, wonder what their first clue was?

The complaints are increasing almost by the hour.

Rest assured, once the complainants start outnumbering the shills the on "usual suspect" forums such as Talkgold, it's already too late to do anything about it.

All the members can do now is bend down, put their head between their knees and kiss their a***s goodbye.

It's really rather sad to see newbies complaining they have sent their money and haven't even had any Asterios credited to their account.

They STILL can't accept that it wouldn't make any difference if their accounts HAD been credited with Asterios.

No matter how you cut it, 100 X nothing = nothing.

They could have a squillion "Asterios" in their account and they'd STILL have nothing.

Originally Posted by littleroundman

The complaints are increasing almost by the hour.

Rest assured, once the complainants start outnumbering the shills the on "usual suspect" forums such as Talkgold, it's already too late to do anything about it.

All the members can do now is bend down, put their head between their knees and kiss their a***s goodbye.

It's really rather sad to see newbies complaining they have sent their money and haven't even had any Asterios credited to their account.

They STILL can't accept that it wouldn't make any difference if their accounts HAD been credited with Asterios.

No matter how you cut it, 100 X nothing = nothing.

They could have a squillion "Asterios" in their account and they'd STILL have nothing.

Yep....Time to move this one to the "Non-Paying ponzi" folder in all the forums

This is two paragraphs from the official update. They don't even bother to change words from one program to another.

All of the above represent the common and consistent questions and concerns that we receive each and every day from our members. Our staff is dedicated to answering and taking care of every one of your concerns as quickly as possible. Our support tickets are designed to communicate with our staff so that they know what your problems and questions are so that they can be resolved. We find that we are having difficulty catching up because inquiries are being sent multiple times to five or more Club Asteria email addresses, Skype addresses and Fax in addition to recording in the ticket system. This is simply strangling our ability to respond in a proper manner. Please understand that with thousands of inquiries, each inquiry, even if it is a duplicate, has to be thoroughly researched all over again before it can be responded to. That means that our staff is doing multiple times the same amount of work, which is counterproductive and does not resolve your issues timely and efficiently. Attempting to communicate with any of the Directors on these support issues, defeats the whole purpose of our support ticket system. We are all so dedicated to helping each of our members but we cannot respond to your support inquiries in addition to all of our other responsibilities.

We have found that of the thousands of support tickets that we are processing, over 90% have already been resolved. We are wasting time researching duplicate support inquiries. For this reason, effective immediately all outstanding support tickets prior to the move to the new system (February 14th) will be closed and we will only deal with support tickets on our new system. If you have an issue that has not been resolved you will be able to issue a new ticket and inform us of your question or concern, so we can handle it on a timely basis. OUR STAFF CAN ONLY PROCESS/RESPOND TO INQUIRIES THAT ARE SENT VIA OUR TICKET SYSTEM.

Should there really be thousands of inquiries for a legit enterprise? Same old ponzi excuses.

Originally Posted by Whip

Same old ponzi excuses.

"Nothing new here, time to move along, folks"

Originally Posted by Whip

Same old ponzi excuses.

I often wonder how long it takes a newbie true believer like poor "Extortion Buster" and "Jenaya" until the lightbulb moment hits when he/she realizes to his/her horror that the scam-du-jours' exit strategy is straight out of the HYIP 101 handbook and has been used a squillion times before.

Originally Posted by littleroundman

I often wonder how long it takes a newbie true believer like poor "Extortion Buster" and "Jenaya" until the lightbulb moment hits when he/she realizes to his/her horror that the scam-du-jours' exit strategy is straight out of the HYIP 101 handbook and has been used a squillion times before.

You give them both way too much credit. After they run, which they are just about to do, they will say they are shocked, it was all the naysayers fault this failed, the naysayers were not educating anyone, just being negative, and besides who are the naysayers to say what people can do or not do with their money; yada, yada, yada.

Originally Posted by Entertained

Hello Path2prosperity,

Eagle One and Glimdropper have been able to get me signed up here. I do not know much about Club Asteria other than what I have read here, but it looks like the founders of CA are using lots of lipstick for their pig. Do you (or anyone else) have any details of the various payouts and promises that CA is making?

Hello "Entertained",

I am so sorry that I had not seen this post before. I knew you by repute and I have made a number of comments to Lynne about this matter during 2010. Please forgive me for not picking up on your reply to me in this thread before. I have never been a member of CA, so I missed your comment.

I have spoken to Lynne and others about skills which scam busters need to build a more powerful team. I have "rabbited on and on" about the need for a theoretical mathematician with first class verbal communication skills to explain why these matrices are unsustainable in a few simple sentences that any official or recently scammed victim could grasp within 30 seconds to 3 minutes of the matter being brought to his or her attention.

A tall order? Of course, I have pointed out that fictitious mathematicians like The First Speaker in Isaac Asimov novels and Ian Malcolm in Michael Crighton’s “Jurassic Park” can make the concept not only understandable but absolutely riveting reading. Lynne sees you as one with sufficient verbal and numerate skills to do this.

I hope that he is right as you would have a market for your products and services. if he has hit the nail on the head. Perhaps you could apply your mind to this challenge and help British scam busters explain a mix of Euclidian geometry, calculus, non linear dynamics and chaos theory to clerical staff who open the mail at British Advertising Standards Authority.

The authority has introduced a law which will be placed on the statute book on
March 1st 2011 and they have given British people a severe warning that of their web sites do not conform to these rules, they face heavy fines.

I would like to pass on this warning to British people who may be inadvertently breaking the law by advertising sites like Fortune2x2.


Advertising Standards Authority - Google Search

I would like to pass on this warning to British people who may be inadvertently breaking the law by advertising sites like Fortune2x2. The British Advertising Standards Authority may not swallow Mathematical Gobbledygook churned out by CA administrators. Your help on preparing a draft complaint would be really appreciated.

Originally Posted by okosh

Yep....Time to move this one to the "Non-Paying ponzi" folder in all the forums

Wow! This is scary.. After months of thinking about it, I was just going to join CA with a fairly substantial investment. I was convinced at this point that it was a safe bet. Obviously it's not, unless of course things change. I will be watching this thread for a while. I'm just glad I didn't put in the money yet!

Originally Posted by Navigator

I'm just glad I didn't put in the money yet!

LOL, I bet you are

Originally Posted by Navigator

Wow! This is scary.. After months of thinking about it, I was just going to join CA with a fairly substantial investment. I was convinced at this point that it was a safe bet. Obviously it's not, unless of course things change. I will be watching this thread for a while. I'm just glad I didn't put in the money yet!

As a rule if it's being promoted by Ken Russo and talked about in the ponzi forums such as talkgold and MMG you can bet the farm that it's NOT a safe bet....

Especially in the case of programs like club-Scameria where they pay you with your own money for many, many months....

Originally Posted by baylee

LOL, I bet you are

Yea I've invested in what has turned out to be unsustainable more than a few times over the years. Looks like I was about to make that mistake again.

Originally Posted by okosh

As a rule if it's being promoted by Ken Russo and talked about in the ponzi forums such as talkgold and MMG you can bet the farm that it's NOT a safe bet....

Especially in the case of programs like club-Scameria where they pay you with your own money for many, many months....

duly noted

I'm tellin' ya, when the usual suspect "players" are complaining, it's all over, bar the shouting:

P2P,

I think that the ASA is not a governmental agency, or at the very least, cannot cause laws to be passed. Rather, they set standards on advertising, essentially requiring advertisers to be able to back up their claims (oh, the horror!).

As for anyone who advertises any 2x2 or other matrix program, well, those programs, 100% of them, do break the law. No exceptions......all are variations on pyramid schemes. As a result, I for one would love it if it were in fact illegal to advertise sites such as Fortune 2x2. People involved with it are involved with an illegal scheme, people who recruit to it are recruiting victims to a scam, and people who advertise it should be prosecuted imho.

Originally Posted by path2prosperity

Hello "Entertained",

....snip....

The authority has introduced a law which will be placed on the statute book on
March 1st 2011 and they have given British people a severe warning that of their web sites do not conform to these rules, they face heavy fines.

I would like to pass on this warning to British people who may be inadvertently breaking the law by advertising sites like Fortune2x2.

I would like to pass on this warning to British people who may be inadvertently breaking the law by advertising sites like Fortune2x2. The British Advertising Standards Authority may not swallow Mathematical Gobbledygook churned out by CA administrators. Your help on preparing a draft complaint would be really appreciated.

Originally Posted by Entertained

P2P,

I think that the ASA is not a governmental agency, or at the very least, cannot cause laws to be passed. Rather, they set standards on advertising, essentially requiring advertisers to be able to back up their claims (oh, the horror!).

As for anyone who advertises any 2x2 or other matrix program, well, those programs, 100% of them, do break the law. No exceptions......all are variations on pyramid schemes. As a result, I for one would love it if it were in fact illegal to advertise sites such as Fortune 2x2. People involved with it are involved with an illegal scheme, people who recruit to it are recruiting victims to a scam, and people who advertise it should be prosecuted imho.

You are right that ASA can not get laws on to the statute book in the UK but some "body" has done that for them. When the regulations become law on March 1st, ASA can prosecute those who do not abide by the law.

If you could help British people, who wish to report offences, with wording to dispute mathematical claims made by those who produce CA and Fortune2x2 matrices, it would be a great help. People like Andrea ( what's her face) spout mathematical gobbledook. If you can deflate the windbag and hang her out to dry with words similar to those used by brilliant fictitious mathematicians, there would be a lot of rejoicing over here.

Quote from ASA web site.

ASA - Advertising Standards Authority

From March 1st marketing communications on websites will be regulated by the ASA.
Make sure yoursite complies. Find out more and get advice