Thread: Club Asteria - club-asteria.com

I'm trying to remember the particulars of Ad Surf Daily's comp plan, I ~believe~ it promised to return 120% of your money in period of time that was deliberately ambiguous (for legal reasons) but was more or less understood to be 120 days. And if I recall correctly you could in theory cash out your account if not at will but at least during any given week. I invite any correction on the above.

C-A has a much tighter hold on peoples money. The 80/20 rule, that you must reinvest 80% of your "asterio" balance each week and can only cash out 20%. I still haven't found a complete written description of C-A's pay plan but one of their big promoters did make this spreadsheet with a few of the numbers. A "gold" member pays in $19.95 a month and with the 80/20 plan and assuming a 7% per week "revenue share" it will be some point in month 11 before that member breaks even.

Now there are many generous bonuses for recruiting fresh money, er. people into the program and those "commissions" are in addition to the "revenue share." You get $4.50 each month for every paying "silver" member you recruit and $9 each month for every gold. You also get 10% of any cash purchase of "asterios" one of your recruits makes. Then you can add in any other bonuses you get from buying a "directorship." In theory the most you can earn from C-A as a totally "passive" (i.e. non recruiting) member is $400 a week (presuming a 10% weekly rev share) but it isn't too hard to make far more than that from various commissions if you recruit broadly enough.

That's another thing that shows me this is a more mature form of ponzi scam, it's harder for basic members to break even than in ASD and at the same time it's easier for the Ken Russo's of the world not only to profit but to profit similarly off of a smaller investment. And the marketing is spot on, all the "expat" and remissions pitch really opens this scam up to the portions of the internet to whom English is not their first language. I can't imagine a cash gifting idiot like Hank Needham figured these angles by himself, I think he's only the "public" face behind Andrea. I think someone smart enough to stack this program is smart enough not to have their name tied to it. I hope someone with the proper authority will examine the transactions in and out of the following account:

Wachovia Bank
Belmont Greene Financial Center
42995 Eastern Kingbird Plaza VA 9308
Ashburn, VA 20147

Bank account number: 2000043061897
Bank routing number: 051400549

I think there's one very important point which needs to be remembered here.

"IF", and I do mean "IF" Club Asteria were a legitimate business, then all the talk of compensation plans might have at least some relevance.

However, the AdSurfDaily experience has shown it is highly unlikely that any of what's being claimed by CA and its' shills is in any way accurate.

It's an online HYIP ponzi game and no more "real" than Eve or World of Warcraft or Counter Strike.

Even previously committed AdSurf Daily "members" have been absolutely shocked to discover their whole experience was nothing more than a sham.

There is no "profit sharing"

There are no rules saying that the top earners receive a set amount.

The insiders skim off as much as they can as often as they can.

That, dear friends, is how modern day HYIP ponzi games work.

Take notice of history.

Notice how much money the "insiders" in PIPS, and CEP and ASD took out.

See the commissions "Matt Gagnon" and "Mazu" took out of the "Legisi" HYIP ponzi scam as "commission" (HINT: think in the millions)

These are not just a couple of "good ol' boys" (and girls) playing a harmless game,

These are serial fraudsters and, as the title of the book says it all comes down to nothing but "Numbers on a Screen"

GlimDropper: You are almost correct, it was 125% initially and then later they had 150% matching bonuses for certain rallies they held.

I was just focusing on the website and server issues that are almost identical for both, the same excuses being given for both, and the problems with the number of particpants that is required after they hit the 100,000 member mark.

But you are correct as to the 'differences' in both programs from the payment aspect.

Actually it was 150%....Plus 10% reff commission and 5% for level 2 reff commission....

1. Earn 150% commission for Surfing.
2. Daily Pay Outs – Pay within 24 hrs. of cashout request.
3. Unlimited daily earnings.
4. Stable Commissions.
5. Sustainable - Our innovative commission payout system allows the company to be stable and endure.
6. 60% of all ad fees are paid out in commissions for surfing.

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Thanks to Jungle Hunter from TG comes this news about Andrea:

Foreclosure Details:

Case Number: 2008-00522
File Date: 1/7/08
Property Type: Single Family
Propery Information
Address: 337 NE 20th Terrace
Cape Coral, FL 33909
Loan Balance: $286157.76
Equity: $-76747.76
Plaintiff Information
Name: Washington Mutual Bank FA
Attorney: Bouavone Amphone (954) 453-0365
Defendant Information
Name: Andrea R Lucas
Build this 1400 sf BLUERIDGE LOG HOME with GARAGE on your lot for only $58,413!
Take Over Assignable Contract
Current Price $99,000 if purchased from the manufacturer The Original Log Cabin Homes Ltd $40,587 SAVINGS!

FOR DETAILS ON THIS INCREDIBLE OFFER CONTACT ANDREA LUCAS AT andrea@celeracorp.com or enter your information below and I will get in touch with You

Guess all those years at the World Bank didn't stick. Can't wait to see how the faithful try to spin this one!

andrea@celeracorp.com ????

Surely that cannot be the same Andrea R Lucas

THIS Celera Corporation ????https://www.celera.com/celera/about

I wonder what the good folks at Celera think about having the NASDAQ listed name of their healthcare business associated with an online ponzi scam such as Club Asteria ????

Maybe some concerned citizens might like to contact the Celera Head office and voice their concerns:

Principal Offices:
Celera Alameda
1401 Harbor Bay Parkway
Alameda, CA 94502-7070
Phone: (510) 749-4200

or one of their branches:

Celera – Rockville
45 West Gude Drive
Rockville, MD 20850
240-453-3000

Celera – South San Francisco
884 Dubuque Avenue
South San Francisco, CA 94080
650-873-1814

Berkeley HeartLab, Inc.(Marina Village)
960 Atlantic Avenue
Alameda, CA 94501
510-747-1740

Berkeley HeartLab, Inc.
839 Mitten Road
Burlingame, CA 94010
650-651-0040

Originally Posted by EagleOne

Thanks to Jungle Hunter from TG comes this news about Andrea:
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The bottom part seems to be a little bit muddled so here is the original....

2010-07-25 - Log Home Contract for Sale - andrea@celeracorp.com
Build 1400 sf Blueridge Log Home with Garage on your lot for only $58,413. Take over assignable Lay-A-Way Contract for log home package; seller cannot build due to medical reasons. Current Price $99,000 if purchased from manufacturer

Log World: Classified Ads

It wont be long now. This scam has let it mouth overload its check book like they all do. Its days like these I wish I was not banned at the Talk Gold Crime forum. I wonder what is next for criminal Ken.

Originally Posted by littleroundman

andrea@celeracorp.com ????

Surely that cannot be the same Andrea R Lucas

THIS Celera Corporation ????https://www.celera.com/celera/about

I wonder what the good folks at Celera think about having the NASDAQ listed name of their healthcare business associated with an online ponzi scam such as Club Asteria ????

Maybe some concerned citizens might like to contact the Celera Head office and voice their concerns:

Principal Offices:
Celera Alameda
1401 Harbor Bay Parkway
Alameda, CA 94502-7070
Phone: (510) 749-4200

or one of their branches:

Celera – Rockville
45 West Gude Drive
Rockville, MD 20850
240-453-3000

Celera – South San Francisco
884 Dubuque Avenue
South San Francisco, CA 94080
650-873-1814

Berkeley HeartLab, Inc.(Marina Village)
960 Atlantic Avenue
Alameda, CA 94501
510-747-1740

Berkeley HeartLab, Inc.
839 Mitten Road
Burlingame, CA 94010
650-651-0040

I'm thinking it's more Web hosting provider - Bluehost.com - domain hosting - PHP Hosting - cheap web hosting - Frontpage Hosting E-Commerce Web Hosting Bluehost , a hosting company.

I think the "Celera" in question is celera.gocrb.com.

What makes
one credit company
BETTER
than another?

About Credit Restoration brokers, LLC

credit restoration brokers, llc CEO and owner has been in the credit industry for over 15 years. The company has been at its current office location since 2002. When you’re dealing with credit restoration brokers, llc you can have confidence, not only in our credit experts and services, but that the company is contracted with one of the leading credit law firms in the country.

credit restoration brokers, llc uses every tool possible to help improve your credit profile. We correspond with the bureaus, creditors, collectors, their legal departments and States Attorney General. Additionally, credit restoration brokers, llc may send affidavits, cease and desist letters, and use legal stipulations which can legally force the removal of prior late payments, charge offs and collections from a credit report.

Here are some further credentials that separate us from the others:

* The only restoration company in the state of Florida that is licensed to teach continuing education for mortgage loan officers and real estate agents.
* The only credit restoration company that is licensed by the state of Florida Department of Business and Professional regulations of real estate as an approved continuing education course provider.
* The only credit restoration company that is a member of the Association of Family Law Professionals and the Association of Family Conciliation Courts—we work with divorce lawyers
* Member of the Better Business Bureau
* Member of the National Association of Mortgage Brokers
* Member of the BIA (Building Industry Association)

We serve clients in all 50 states!

44050 Ashburn Shopping Plaza, Suite 609, Ashburn, VA 20147

Tel: 703-201-9734, Fax: 703-832-0772, Email: andrea@celeracorp.com

The phone number lines up with this Realtor page:

Andrea Lucas

• My Profile
• My Blog

• Associates
  
  • Associates
  
  

• Points Summary

Home : Virginia : Loudoun County : Ashburn : Andrea Lucas user147390_1_l.jpg

400 Points

NameAndrea LucasCompanyKeller WilliamsOffice Phone(703) 859-6899Cell Phone(703) 859-6899Alt. Phone(703) 201-9734Fax(703) 832-0772

The formatting on that went tits up but that's our Andrea, former Realtor former Debt counseling specialist.

Hmm, more number to check.,...

Her Virginia real estate license is still valid:

Real Estate Individual License INDIVIDUAL NAME:LUCAS, ANDREA R LICENSE TYPE:SALESMAN LICENSE NO:0225185404 LICENSE STATUS:ACTIVE CITY, STATE: ASHBURN, VA INITIAL CERTIFICATION DATE:NOVEMBER 09, 2007 EXPIRATION DATE: NOVEMBER 30, 2011 BUSINESS NAME:PROFESSIONAL REALTY SERVICES LLC TRADE NAME:KELLER WILLIAMS REALTY FIRM LICENSE NO:0226007362

No complaints on file.

Back on that celera link, note it's a sub domain off of gocrb.com, the owners of that domain are Credit Restoration Brokers LLC of Fort Myers Florida. It appears Andrea's "Celera" was her affiliate marketing website when she was working for their service. How good is that service, well it's a lot better now than before the FTC landed on them. The FTC's news release reads in part:

For Release: 03/18/2010
Promoter of Credit Repair, Debt Relief Services to Settle FTC Charges

A promoter of credit repair and debt relief services has agreed to settle Federal Trade Commission charges that he deceived consumers into paying thousands of dollars based on false promises that he could help solve their credit and debt problems.


According to the FTC, the promoter falsely told consumers he could improve their credit reports by removing negative information such as judgments, foreclosures, tax liens, bankruptcies, repossessions, and child support delinquencies, from the reports regardless of how old or accurate the information is. The FTC’s complaint also alleged that he and his lawyer falsely told consumer reporting agencies, as a reason to dispute negative items, that consumers were identity theft victims.


The FTC complaint charged that the marketer, Sam Tarad Sky, and his companies illegally charged consumers up to $2,199 before performing any services and failed to tell customers they could cancel the contract within three business days. He also falsely told consumers who bought debt relief services that they could satisfy their debt by paying much less than the full amount owed, such as 30 cents on the dollar.

No wonder Adrea needed a new gig.


And the next time you find yourself needing a $30 bottle of fruit juice, go to this page and Andrea can hook you up with some Mandura.

BUSTED:

In all the time I've had to look at Andrea and Club Asteria the thought I had in the back of my mind is that she was just a "face", none of her previous employment history had any ties to the online fraud world (unlike Hank Needham for example). But I just found what I sincerely believe is Andrea Lucas's Ad View Global capture page.

The real link

The WebSite.org link (in case the real one goes poofers)

Her member number was 3094, if I recall correctly AVG went tits up at better than 20,000 members so while not an early adopter she still had time to be in profit. And this would seem to be solid verification that Club Asteria isn't Adrea's first ride on the ponzi pony.

I also think she was in ASD with Hank Needham. Hank was a big promoter of ASD. If she wasn't on the same level as Hank she would have been in his downline.

So many things are similar to ASD that I figured there had to be some connection. Great find.

The above info should be posted at TG. Only problem is it would probably get deleted and the poster getting a warning or banned.

Originally Posted by EagleOne

The above info should be posted at TG. Only problem is it would probably get deleted and the poster getting a warning or banned.

You're welcome
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And a special thank you to you too for posting that okosh.

That life-script site is a little interesting because it just displays as a directory (link), The "Hank" directory is just a prototype of the E-Book store on the Club-Astreia site. I have some questions about the GulfCoast/ and GCRInvitation/ directories. I'm more familiar with get rich quick pitches than with real estate investment opportunities so the degree of overlap here has me a little stumped. The person behind the offers seems to be Patrick J Hutton and I do find his name mentioned in a Rip-Off Report as an "instructor" at a Russ Whitney seminar which does throw up some potential red flags. Whitney was one of the more egregious get rich quick seminar salesmen who danced a little too far past the line of legality a little too often that he had to remove his name from his organization and replace it with Robert Kiyosaki. So when I see pages on Adrea's site like this one and this one I have a hard time knowing if it's bad copy writing or a questionable offer. The involvement of Mr.Needham could explain the bad page design and ad copy but if Mr.Hutton worked for Russ Whitney I can't discount the possibility that this was just another bad seminar pitch. Anyone with more interest and expertise who takes a look at this has my thanks.

This is the bit where the line needs to be drawn.

Quite frankly, I couldn't give a damn WHAT the HYIP ponzi players do with their time and their money.

Neither do I care one iota about the existence of Talkgold and whether or not they ban naysayers.

HOWEVER,

this is now not just a simple case of a few good ol' boys having a quiet gamble on the side,

this is now down and out fraud of the lowest order., and THIS is what keeps me angry enough to do something about it

This today from "Club Asteria" management:

DONATIONS BY MEMBERS IN 2010

At the end of 2010 the members of Club Asteria had the wonderful opportunity through their Club to make positive contributions to some of the world’s neediest causes. Andrea Lucas, Managing Director, announced that at the end of December, in addition to the Club’s philanthropic programs, 9 other organizations were selected in order to support them in their goals to make the world a better place. Club Asteria contributed over $50,000 to partner with or contribute to the Grameen Foundation, World Concern, Heifer International, Living Earth Institute, Opportunity Now, Kiva, Gospel for Asia, Water Aid and World Vision. All of these organizations share the goals of Club Asteria to help eliminate the cycle of poverty that inhibits a large portion of our population from being able to enjoy the abundances of life.

At Club Asteria we are so humbled and inspired by our members’ desire and intent to follow through on our mission and vision to contribute to these organizations and their worthwhile causes. These contributions served families in India, Thailand, the Philippines, Cambodia, Bangladesh, Vietnam, Peru, Brazil, Mexico, Kenya, Somalia, Ghana, Nepal, Tanzania, Russia, Romania, Ukraine and so many other parts of the world.

Through our micro-finance/micro-credit program we were able to fund dozens of entrepreneurs who now have the ability to expand or start their own businesses with the micro loans they received. These individuals will be able to buy cloth, inventory for their stores, seed, fertilizer, farming equipment, animals and food products, and make repairs to their transportation equipment and so many other things that will fund their business enterprises. We also contributed several dozen sewing machines to women entrepreneurs to give them an opportunity to earn a livelihood for their families by making clothes. These sewing machines will not only put clothes on the backs of their children but for a lifetime put food on their family’s table as well.

In addition to the micro-loans our members made significant contributions to the ownership of animals which play a crucial role in many people’s lives throughout the world. These animals provide sustenance and produce income when their milk, cheese, butter, eggs or offspring are sold. These animals change the lives of each family that is fortunate to receive a gift such as this. At the end of 2010 we had the opportunity to donate camels, pigs, cows, chickens, water buffalos and goats to make a difference in so many families’ lives. These animals are breathing sources of income for the poor and what is even better, is that when they reproduce the offspring can be given to additional families to assist even more people so that the donation and gift keeps on giving. Our contributions included not just the gift of the animals but also the gift of learning how to keep their animals safe and productive.

One of our most important goals at Club Asteria is the vision that everyone in the world should have access to clean, safe water and sanitary facilities. This is the basis for health, education and successful livelihood. We contributed to the construction of machine drilled deep fresh water wells for villages in Kenya and Somalia so as to provide clean drinking water. These villages lacked facilities for clean drinking water and the women were forced to walk many miles to collect water from polluted ponds and streams. The wells will improve the health of entire communities and allow the women to do other jobs and spend more time taking care of their children. In addition we contributed towards a rainwater harvesting tank that, when completed, will serve over 1000 people in Tanzania with fresh water.

We were also able to make significant donations by helping provide clothing, supplies and nutrition for children so that they could attend school to have the opportunity to reach their full potential.

Through these many programs and the organizations that we supported our mission is to transform lives through these educational programs, micro-loans, agricultural programs, stockyard animals and in providing nutrition and safe water to live a good life.

As we are now entering 2011 our mission continues. Our members are even more inspired and motivated to provide the underserved families of the world with the help they need. Through Club Asteria we provide opportunity where before there was none. We give people the tools, education and knowledge of how to create a better life for themselves and their families. Our vision and mission continues with the responsibility of knowing that if we don’t do something to help these people, who will?

Originally Posted by GlimDropper

So when I see pages on Adrea's site like this one and this one I have a hard time knowing if it's bad copy writing or a questionable offer.

It's also interesting that the "contact us" website address given on both those pages for http://www.gcrevital.com/ produces:

Server not found
Firefox can't find the server at www.gcrevital.com.

Originally Posted by littleroundman

This is the bit where the line needs to be drawn.

Quite frankly, I couldn't give a damn WHAT the HYIP ponzi players do with their time and their money.

Neither do I care one iota about the existence of Talkgold and whether or not they ban naysayers.

HOWEVER,

this is now not just a simple case of a few good ol' boys having a quiet gamble on the side,

this is now down and out fraud of the lowest order., and THIS is what keeps me angry enough to do something about it

This today from "Club Asteria" management:

That crapola is intended to give the members the warm fuzzies and help them overlook the fact that they are participating in an illegal ponzi. It also gives them the BS argument that scambusters trying to take them down have no heart...!

What was truly appalling to me was in this 'goody two-shoes" update not one verifiable reference was made to confirm all these "good works." Where's the names of the "entrepreneurs" they helped fund and when? Where are the names of the cities/towns/villages where these wells were dug and when? Where was all those clothes, etc. sent and when? One would think with all these good works they would have pictures on their website, and stories detailing all these good works. Yet not one picture or story to be found about them.

What is even more incredulous is that not one of the members is asking for the proof. One twit on MMG actually thanked CA for providing "free money." Incredible.

I wouldn't be surprised to find out they solicited the database of ASD members since copies were sold to the highest bidder by Andy.

LRM: You mean you don't care that I got banned at TG? I'm crushed!

Originally Posted by okosh

You're welcome
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Too funny! Thanks and that should really have ticked them off!

Club-Asteria isn't even the first ponzi scheme that Andrea has helped Hank with, MyCashExchange came first.

Here is Andrea explaining MCE in her own words. And an archived copy of the MCE website from May of 2006 reads in part:

EARN up to 2.5% COMPOUNDED DAILY
Funding is never paid to MCE, only to introducing members. MEMBERS RECEIVE 95% of each transfer

$25 Gift of Advertising Credits
to each new joining member

Your Free Gift will generate you an immediate income in your first month
and will continue to increase at a compounding rate every month thereafter.
YOU CAN TRANSFER YOUR COMMISSIONS INTO CASH AT ANY TIME.

CLICK HERE to VIEW YOUR MONTHLY INCOME POTENTIAL

The Internet Archive lists the last site update for MCE as July of 2008. MCE uses anonymous registration but good old Hank is quick to brag of his program. On one of his Cumuda gifting spiels he says of himself:

QUICK STORY ABOUT YOUR POWER TEAM

.

We have been promoting on the Internet since 1998 and have created some of the most active web sites in the world - FreeAutobot.com, MyCashExchange.com, Cumada.com ProsperityTeamInternational.com and others. We have always been strong leaders and entrepreneurs at heart. We have never know anything other than success on the net. However, we have seen many individuals suffer for reasons of incorrect marketing techniques.

And on his "better" networking profile he lists MCE as his website:

Hank Needham

Successfull Online Promotor & Coach

Company: HankNeedham
Industry: Business Opportunities
Experience: Veteran (3+ years)

My Web Sites
http://www.hankneedham.com
http://www.cumada.com
http://freeautobot.com
http://www.mycashexchange.com

So Hank and Andrea have been promoting ponzi schemes together for a number of years now.

And that mention of "Prosperity team International" cleared up another small mystery, Hank is fond of using the initials PTI a lot. So that's what PTI stands for and here's an archived copy of the site with the suitable headline:

You can make an EXTRA $250 - $1000 per day
by SHOWING YOUR SITE HERE and getting others to do the same!

"PTI has shown me How to Build a Successful Sales Team and MAKE MONEY on the NET.
I now EASILY find, train and sell to my NEW PROSPECTS. PTI is simply "the Best".
VISIT my links BELOW, I am keen to work and help get you started making money RIGHT NOW!
When you join PTI, you will be able to change the above adverts to whatever you want.
WATCH the Pre-Recorded Presentation, read through this site and JOIN MY TEAM TODAY!"

It's worth clicking around that site, scamolicious. One aspect of C-A's profit share I didn't recall seeing before is the allocation based on your ownership of ponzi funny money (in this case Asterios), it seems that PTI was a forerunner of this plan:

PTI Profit Sharing. All profits from PAS sales will be shared between each active Ad Pack equally. The more Ad Pack credits that you own, the more money you will receive. All PAS Profits will be paid as soon as funds are cleared.
Therefore, if during the first three months you have purchased 7 Ad Packs and throughout PTI there were 100 Ad Packs sold in total, and we made a PAS Premier sale, then $3000 would be available for distribution. This would equal $210 to yourself. If another sale was made the following day, you would receive another $210 and so on. If you no longer wanted to purchase / accumulate any Ad Packs you would still receive your percentage based on the 7 Ad Packs that you already own for a total of 180 days.

Great finds GlimDropper. I know there is more out there, just have this feeling about it. Only time will tell if I am right or not.

The Club Hysteria thread at TG is fun to read. JH is handing the lamebrains their heads. Any bets they are trying to trump up a charge to ban him?

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