Thread: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam

A Court application at the Isle of Man Court has been approved for the following:
1/ The stay of Liquidation in the Isle of Man.
2/ The release of the joint Liquidators.
3/ A Transitional Service and Assignment Agreement (to be approved) in Court on Monday 14th November to transfer the Banners Broker Liquidation to MSI Spergel in Canada.
This basically means that the Liquidators in England will transfer all their work to Canada unless (David Rubin) are needed on a 'as is, where is' basis.

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Originally Posted by Della Cate

What I found interesting was that it looks as if Little Jamie Waters from Holmfirth was much more dug into this thing than I even thought. Rob "Wiggy" Pirie says that Jamie used to help out with compliance, along with Hooker. I'm assuming Hooker got paid by the BB outfit, what with him being a "world class speaker" and all, but my question is, did Jamie?

I'd like to think that some of the main pushers in the UK would be named - Simon Stepsys for a start. He was Bb "Affiliate of the Year", but did he have any other role, I wonder?

Hello, I have some of the answers to this for you. Jamie Waters was the person behind the BB Facebook page, he pretty much ran it, he was the main person answering questions and deleting those he did not like or care to answer. (This I assume was the compliance aspect!) Whats more, he had almost daily video calls / chats with Rob Pirie (AKA Ron Anderson) however, the main thing to note is that Jamie Waters was well aware that Ron Anderson was not his real name, well aware the BB outfit were lying about his identity, yet said nothing and continued in the promotion of BB and convincing "affiliates" that everything in the BB camp was perfectly fine. As for him being paid extra to run the Facebook page, it is not something he ever divulged.

Stepsys seems to have once again got away with his part, other than promoting it he was never that much involved with Chris/Raj/Hooker etc.

Hope this info is helpful in filling in some gaps.

Originally Posted by Jayd

Hello, I have some of the answers to this for you. Jamie Waters was the person behind the BB Facebook page, he pretty much ran it, he was the main person answering questions and deleting those he did not like or care to answer. (This I assume was the compliance aspect!) Whats more, he had almost daily video calls / chats with Rob Pirie (AKA Ron Anderson) however, the main thing to note is that Jamie Waters was well aware that Ron Anderson was not his real name, well aware the BB outfit were lying about his identity, yet said nothing and continued in the promotion of BB and convincing "affiliates" that everything in the BB camp was perfectly fine. As for him being paid extra to run the Facebook page, it is not something he ever divulged.

Stepsys seems to have once again got away with his part, other than promoting it he was never that much involved with Chris/Raj/Hooker etc.

Hope this info is helpful in filling in some gaps.

Welcome to RealScam! Haven't seen you here before, but any info that "fills in some gaps" is always welcome.

Originally Posted by Jayd

Hello, I have some of the answers to this for you. Jamie Waters was the person behind the BB Facebook page, he pretty much ran it, he was the main person answering questions and deleting those he did not like or care to answer. (This I assume was the compliance aspect!) Whats more, he had almost daily video calls / chats with Rob Pirie (AKA Ron Anderson) however, the main thing to note is that Jamie Waters was well aware that Ron Anderson was not his real name, well aware the BB outfit were lying about his identity, yet said nothing and continued in the promotion of BB and convincing "affiliates" that everything in the BB camp was perfectly fine. As for him being paid extra to run the Facebook page, it is not something he ever divulged.

Stepsys seems to have once again got away with his part, other than promoting it he was never that much involved with Chris/Raj/Hooker etc.

Hope this info is helpful in filling in some gaps.

Is wittle Jamie still running his scams from his bedroom at his mommy's house?

Originally Posted by Fat City, LA

Is wittle Jamie still running his scams from his bedroom at his mommy's house?

LOL I was never aware of him living at his mums house, he had a flat.

His "thing" is email marketing to build his list of people (around 20,000 people he claims in his emails) He classes himself as an "Internet Marketing Coach" He dabbles in various things as an affiliate and pushes those "opportunities" to his list. If you go to his website and sign up to his email list you will soon find out what he is pushing now. :)

As an addition, while you may not want to hear this, it's the truth and as much as many of you here got a lot of things correct about BB, there were many things you got incorrect about some people. As I followed through I found it frustrating at the time to see some of the wrong people being targeted when others who were never mentioned were getting away with ripping people off.

Originally Posted by Jayd

As an addition, while you may not want to hear this, it's the truth and as much as many of you here got a lot of things correct about BB, there were many things you got incorrect about some people. As I followed through I found it frustrating at the time to see some of the wrong people being targeted when others who were never mentioned were getting away with ripping people off.

Jayd, that is a very valid point and here is where I think its basis lies:

All of these Ponzis, pyramids and hybrids are SCAMS, but there is a significant population of people who are more susceptible to the juicy promises of the promoters than they are to objectivity and reason. If this forum consisted of one thread for each new SCAM and each of those threads contained a single post stating the obvious (such as "trafficshitstorm.com is a SCAM"), RealScam would have few readers and serve serve little purpose.

Readership is driven by content; producing new content when every one of these SCAMS is "the same old story" with a fresh coat of paint requires scrutiny of every scrap of bullsh*t that the owners and promoters produce. "Here's my new truck - GOLIATH, paid for with Four Corners money, guys!" can mean:

"My dad parks his truck here when he visits"
"I love Hertz!"
"The dealer said have it back Monday morning"
"72 payments on the $55,000 loan are only $880/month!"
"I only had to promote this SCAM to 550 people to pull this off - kewl, huh guys?"

When you're turning over every rock and examining every detail to try and illustrate what frauds the con artists are, small mistakes occasionally get made. I called "fake" on the appearance of Charles Scoville's UAE Residence Card and questioned the language of his PayPal account representative's letter; I now believe both were genuine.

Now consider how many gullible people got the seed of doubt planted in their brain reading through the 676 pages of this thread and the 290 pages of the Traffic Monsoon thread. I think the benefits of the diligence greatly outweigh the occasional "side error".

SD

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Originally Posted by Jayd

As an addition, while you may not want to hear this, it's the truth and as much as many of you here got a lot of things correct about BB, there were many things you got incorrect about some people. As I followed through I found it frustrating at the time to see some of the wrong people being targeted when others who were never mentioned were getting away with ripping people off.

Jayd: First Welcome to RS. There is no doubt that in every Ponzi we cannot uncover all the players involved that made lots of money from promoting their Ponzi de Jour. All you have to do is look at Zeek Rewards and the Receiver listing over 9,000+ winners that were just in the US. Then he went after those in other countries for clawbacks. While the largest were easy to spot due to their promotion activities, others remained below the radar so as not to call attention to themselves. No FB page, no posting on forums, no posting on blogs, no website promoting the Ponzi, etc., etc.. Unless you were on their mailing list, or had someone contact you to sign up you would not know of their involvement. BannersBroker was no exception, as it is with every Ponzi.

It is why people like you are so important to exposing as many of these winners as possible. Hopefully you did report these individuals to the authorities. While we can't be 100% accurate on who all is involved in a Ponzi at the top, we are 100% correct it is a Ponzi or an illegal pyramid scheme. It is the job of law enforcement once they have shut down the Ponzi to uncover who all the winners are and do clawbacks against them. The purpose of RS is to provide as much information as possible to the visitors of RS so they don't become involved and a victim of the Ponzi. The more people providing information the better for all, and the more people will learn who they need to stay away from so they don't get caught up in the Ponzi, or if they are in it to get out.

I look forward to your continuing contributions to RS as it will make RS even more productive in helping people not get caught up in the hot Ponzi de Jour, or convince them to get out.

While I appreciate and agree with most of what you are saying, especially about exposing scams and trying to stop others falling for them, it does not excuse or justify the onslaught of personal attacks both on and off of realscam at those who are/were victims themselves, people who simply got caught up with it, lied to and ripped off. Yes maybe people should know better but they don't and that is life unfortunately.
Better research on certain people could have been done to be sure you were exposing the right people. It didn't seem to matter who they were or what their purpose of being in BB was, it seemed if you found anyone who was part of it that dared to stick up for it (only because they had been sucked in by the way) the onslaught began regardless.
A lot of damage was done to people who did not deserve it on top of already being ripped off by BB and the big hitters involved.

There are always other ways to deal with it without all the personal attacks on people you know nothing about.
I know people who wanted to come forward and give you a lot more information they were getting from the "inside" (including me) this information would have helped tremendously in stopping new people joining and would also have helped to bring it down a lot sooner however, those people did not come forward because they did not trust any of you on here to keep their identity private and felt they too would be attacked! Things are not always as they seem, that is all I am saying.

You didn't have to come here to expose the fraud.
You had to go to the authorities. If you felt people didn't deserve to be warned then shame on you. Your excuse is laughable. Poyol and others had no issue coming here as a victim.
And it must only be you that you are talking about since you won't name who this site is incorrect about.
Or are these alleged people really serial pimps getting caught again?
Vagueness doesn't help your case. You could be simon septic for all anyone knows.

Originally Posted by Jayd

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I know people who wanted to come forward and give you a lot more information they were getting from the "inside" (including me) this information would have helped tremendously in stopping new people joining and would also have helped to bring it down a lot sooner however, those people did not come forward because they did not trust any of you on here to keep their identity private and felt they too would be attacked! Things are not always as they seem, that is all I am saying.

If you read the entire thread you would know that some such "insiders" were already posting here and at some other scam-busting sites. Nobody here is making fun of or shames the true victims. Cheerleaders / shills / pimps will be always made an example of , outed and exposed for who they are - they are the main problem, way bigger than an admin of a ponzi scheme which could be just a kid who got his computer for christmas and figured out how to set up a website.

Serial pimps deserve much bigger ridicule, than a onetime chearleader who realized his mistake. He might have been a brainwashed victim who actively defended or recruited to a single scheme , but he did his part in a scam and for that single part he might have been mentioned. So, if he lost money in the scam but caused many others to loose it too, is he a victim ?
Or they only pretend to be victims when they are "in a minus" / "not in profit" ?

So lets hear, just bring a name of who was exposed here and was a true victim ?????

Originally Posted by Jayd

Things are not always as they seem, that is all I am saying.

You're entirely correct.

When it comes to HYIP ponzi fraud, things and people are not always what they seem.

Which is why the only sensible approach is to set aside personal judgement and treat people by their actions, not trying to decide if someone is a player / pimp / shill / innocent newbie / true believer based on the image they project.

* Both promoting AND / OR participating in a pyramid scheme is illegal in the USA and most western countries

* Accepting money (i.e. recruitment commission) for a fraudulent scheme lays people open to charges as well as having any "winnings" over and above their initial investment clawed back.

* Money lost to an "true believer" is still lost, no matter how good the intentions of the believer were.

IM(very)HO, we're fast approaching the day participants in these schemes will be prosecuted, as well as the "insiders".

The approach taken by the courts and authorities has hardened considerably over the past few years, as evidenced by the number of subpoenas issued and clawback proceedings instituted, both inside and outside the USA.

The only naming and shaming done here on REALSCAM.com has been using evidence provided by the target themselves.

IOW, we haven't produced the "evidence" we have REproduced information freely available on the 'net, then matched it with Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn or other social media outlets.

I find it interesting that REALSCAM.com is criticized for exposing the nexus between fraudsters' "legitimate" 'net presence and their adopted fraudulent activities.

Oh I read EVERY page.

And there we have it, nothing has changed I see. You just blew trust out of the window YET again. This is exactly what I mean, you all jump on people and slam them just because you're not getting your own way by having people reveal who they are or reveal who they are talking about. Funny that as hardly any of you reveal who you really are, it's a joke. I was handing you more information on a plate and you just threw it away again.

My intention was to fill in gaps about certain people because they are still out there scamming others and people still believe them, if they knew some of the things I know, they would be more likely to have nothing more to do with them but you know what, there is zero point using this site to do that as you would rather turn it into another attack on me than help anyone else.

For the record, I did a LOT more than just go to the authorities, I worked with them for months and still do, so to say who I am is something I simply cannot do! Another reason things are not always as they seem!

Now, if there is anyone out there that I feel I can trust implicitly then I am willing to talk, get in touch but other than that, I will find another way to change peoples minds about these scammers.

Originally Posted by Jayd

Now, if there is anyone out there that I feel I can trust implicitly then I am willing to talk, get in touch but other than that, I will find another way to change peoples minds about these scammers.

Well, it seems we have a basic difference in approach and philosophies then

We can only wish you well in your endeavours and hope you'll keep fighting the good fight, however you choose to do it.

OK, so we have another "gotta do it my way or I won't play" messiah! You say you want to expose scammers, but not the way Realscam does, OK, Whatever! Your story is starting to sound a bit inconsistent, but maybe it's just me. If you are indeed a scambuster, good luck.

Jayd, it seems like you put a single label on all of the posters here.
Do you think we as one are members of some political party , organization or going to the same church or worship same gods ?

Every poster can post whatever he wants as you yourself did till he is out of line or violated basic forum rules.
Then you as much a member of the RealScam group whose methods you do not approve.
Whatever you share here becomes public and you cannot claim that if we were a bit different you would spill all the insiders info. Others (not even members) can read it and use it in any way which you might not like.
You either talk or you walk, do not pretend that you know some "secret info" but would not share it.
What next ? You gonna start selling that info in private messages to other members ?

I do not know about the rest, but myself I do not care to listen to any "insiders" as they call themselves.
They always come here and post their lies, threats or nonsense. It is still entertaining but never valuable information.

I would suggest you to stop pretending that you are someone you are not.

Originally Posted by Jayd

Funny that as hardly any of you reveal who you really are, it's a joke.

Originally Posted by Jayd

For the record, I did a LOT more than just go to the authorities, I worked with them for months and still do, so to say who I am is something I simply cannot do!

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Originally Posted by Jayd

I was handing you more information on a plate and you just threw it away again.

So all these unnamed people were wrongly accused but you won't say who they are? All these victims in this dead for two years scam were going to show up, but busy that day? Simultaneously you have information on all these scammers so dare I blurt shocking that it would stop them in their tracks? If that is the case why did you have to do "more" than go to the authorities, whatever "more" might be?



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Originally Posted by ribshaw

If that is the case why did you have to do "more" than go to the authorities, whatever "more" might be?

And, who's to say that some or all the posters here didn't do the same "more" and that they didn't do it as well as posting here ???

To paraphrase Abraham Lincoln:

"We can satisfy all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but we cannot satisfy all the people all the time"

And the onslaught begins lol, even when someone is on your side and can give even more information you turn on them. Unless I (or someone) agrees with every little thing you all say it seems you just don't like it and cannot bear to hear the truth that you were wrong about some things and you were.

I came here to give more good and valuable information, it's a shame you cannot see the bigger picture and welcome that information. It seems (as you have done to others in the past) You would rather argue with me about who is right and who is wrong. I did not come here for that but I can see that nothing here has changed and I have no intention of playing your silly ping pong games.

The fact is those scammers are still out there, still scamming and they don't give a f*** about any of you because they are laughing all the way to the bank. Information I have will have put more people off continuing with them and stop new people falling in with them but you would rather try to be right than continue to help people.

but myself I do not care to listen to any "insiders" as they call themselves.

What you fail to understand is this is not about YOU though is it. Talk about self centered.

For me it's all about helping others, coming here to reveal more could have helped a lot more people and faster but hey ho, you don't want that so I will continue to talk one on one with those that I can.

I could go on and answer each of you but I would quite simply be wasting my time because the truth is, you don't want to know.

Originally Posted by Jayd

I have no intention of playing your silly ping pong games.

Yet you appear to be doing just that.

So who in your esteemed opinion deserved less attention re Banners Broker (you perchance?) and who have we missed?

Originally Posted by Jayd

And the onslaught begins lol, even when someone is on your side and can give even more information you turn on them. Unless I (or someone) agrees with every little thing you all say it seems you just don't like it and cannot bear to hear the truth that you were wrong about some things and you were.

You seem to be a bit thin-skinned. Personally, I love truth. You were invited to point out what people were wrong about and instead decided to put on this little high and mighty show.

Originally Posted by Jayd

I came here to give more good and valuable information, it's a shame you cannot see the bigger picture and welcome that information. It seems (as you have done to others in the past) You would rather argue with me about who is right and who is wrong. I did not come here for that but I can see that nothing here has changed and I have no intention of playing your silly ping pong games.

If that's what you came here to do, do it.

Originally Posted by Jayd

The fact is those scammers are still out there, still scamming and they don't give a f*** about any of you because they are laughing all the way to the bank. Information I have will have put more people off continuing with them and stop new people falling in with them but you would rather try to be right than continue to help people.

And you think the scammers care more about you?? LOL

Again, if you have info, feel free to share it.

Originally Posted by Jayd

What you fail to understand is this is not about YOU though is it. Talk about self centered.

Right back at ya.

Originally Posted by Jayd

For me it's all about helping others, coming here to reveal more could have helped a lot more people and faster but hey ho, you don't want that so I will continue to talk one on one with those that I can.

By all means, go ahead and sacrifice the greater good because your feelings are hurt.

Is there some reason why you feel your word is Gospel over any other contributors here?

I saw members here agree that some info could definitely be wrong, but it seems that you are the one that got your panties all in a bunch because someone might disagree with you.

Originally Posted by Jayd

I could go on and answer each of you but I would quite simply be wasting my time because the truth is, you don't want to know.

Do whatever you want.

Stick around and provide info to help others avoid scams and scammers or don't.

I wouldn't be surprised if a number of others around here do "a LOT more than just go to the authorities", possibly even those who don't bother posting.

If you do, great..way to go...wooohoooo.

If you're sticking around, welcome to RS and I look forward to your future contributions.

If you're going, goodbye. Good luck in doing whatever it is you claim you do in helping to fight scams.

Originally Posted by Jayd

I came here to give more good and valuable information

Let's take a look at that...

Originally Posted by Jayd

Hello, I have some of the answers to this for you. Jamie Waters was the person behind the BB Facebook page, he pretty much ran it, he was the main person answering questions and deleting those he did not like or care to answer. (This I assume was the compliance aspect!) Whats more, he had almost daily video calls / chats with Rob Pirie (AKA Ron Anderson) however, the main thing to note is that Jamie Waters was well aware that Ron Anderson was not his real name, well aware the BB outfit were lying about his identity, yet said nothing and continued in the promotion of BB and convincing "affiliates" that everything in the BB camp was perfectly fine.

Where's your PROOF Jamie knew?

Originally Posted by Jayd

Stepsys seems to have once again got away with his part, other than promoting it he was never that much involved with Chris/Raj/Hooker etc.

As with the above, where's your PROOF Simon was never much involved? You tapped his phone and hacked his Yahoo with your 007 spy-craft did you?


Anyone reading these threads with the slightest comprehension skills can soon figure out Simon isn't to be trusted with their money.

http://www.realscam.com/f16/simon-stepsys-3342/
https://taratalkstoday.blogspot.com/...r-scammer.html

If they can't you can have them.

Originally Posted by Jayd

For me it's all about helping others, coming here to reveal more could have helped a lot more people and faster but hey ho, you don't want that so I will continue to talk one on one with those that I can.

Everyone that posts here knows Jamie Waters and Simon Stepsys are degenerate scammers. What does Jamie taking Rob wig shopping add to the mix other than LOLZ?

Originally Posted by Jayd

The fact is those scammers are still out there, still scamming and they don't give a f*** about any of you because they are laughing all the way to the bank. Information I have will have put more people off continuing with them and stop new people falling in with them but you would rather try to be right than continue to help people.

If you have this information, why are the scammers still out there? Why haven't you already put people off from sending them money? Didn't use High Tea time with the Queen to get Simon arrested?

Originally Posted by Jayd

My intention was to fill in gaps about certain people because they are still out there scamming others and people still believe them, if they knew some of the things I know, they would be more likely to have nothing more to do with them

Two or three posts in you lost the plot. As much as I would like to hear from a fresh face I don't believe you are being forthcoming with the real reason you're here or have that much to add.

He MAY have something to add, but so far it that hasn't occurred. And, yes, it doesn't appear that his real motivations have been revealed. While I am probably totally off base with this, it almost seems like Elena reincarnated.

Forget it, you have proven once again there is no real communication here, I am not going to be interrogated by people I don't know, who really don't want to listen and who obviously won't believe anything I post anyway, that has already been made clear so there is simply no point. I didn't have to come here, I just thought it would help other people but this is obviously not the place to do that. Now you can do what you normally do and revel in the fact you drove yet another person away, pat yourselves on the back, speculate on what you think you know about me bla bla, but it's not me that loses out, shame you can't figure that one out!

I do not have to justify myself to anyone and I really am not bothered what you think, it certainly won't affect my life. The whole thing is laughable. See ya