Thread: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam

Originally Posted by Ken Roklin

You are right NikSam. In Canada we have no jails, our police investigate people and crime just for the fun of it, and when caught, give them a lollipop and tell them to be good boys and girls from now on. Our lawyers just sit on patios and discuss hockey instead of doing the job the taxpayers pay them. The judges, we don't have any, as who needs them when nobody gets arrested and charged. Everybody in Canada just goes around conning people into scams because of our LAZY and inept legal system knowing they won't get charged with a crime. After all, the Canadian system is based on the UK system and we are just trying to improve on it.

Yeap, you got it pretty much correct :)

Ken stop takin any statement about Canada as a personal offense, I speak of personal experiences on several occasions and a lot of people can support what i say , Canada in several cases was so dumb that let people under the investigation and charged run away from a country without any problems at the border, people charged with crime could easily wire their proceeds to the offshore banks (as if Canada never heard of account freeze)
and the stats on prosecution of financial crimes and their closing the eyes on major money laundering going on across the country for a decade are the real indicator - they do not do their job.

If it makes you feel better – make fun of the Ukrainian and Russian legal system (where I am from), those just completely f**ked
and people who should be in jails are the judges, if you cannot bribe the judge you can always bribe a politician who will press on the judge.
When you go to the investigator with evidence enough to lock some criminal up, the investigator goes to the criminal and asks for money to make the case disappear.

P.S. On the other hand, maybe you should continue. You say hilarious stuff when you pissed.

Very interesting. Mark Ghobril is in UK to winess for Septic Simon Sewage.

Also:
Plaintiff is looking for testimonial emails.

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.p...98614356881465

Originally Posted by Fat City, LA

Very interesting. Mark Ghobril is in UK to winess for Septic Simon Sewage.

Also:
Plaintiff is looking for testimonial emails.

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.p...98614356881465

This is starting to get interesting now.

Are you sure Mark Ghobril is in the UK? I thought they had to move the hearing to a court with video conferencing facilities to enable the Trans-Atlantic scumbags to appear?

Originally Posted by Joe_Shmoe

This is starting to get interesting now.

Are you sure Mark Ghobril is in the UK? I thought they had to move the hearing to a court with video conferencing facilities to enable the Trans-Atlantic scumbags to appear?

Over on the BB Ponzi Scam FB page, Demian has said:-

"Mark G., Keith L., Simon S and his wife Julie D. showed up. Seems like Mark even traveled over here from the US to support the defence. Anyway, make your own judgements about these 3 together in a room...lol"

Gets better by the minute, doesn't it?

Originally Posted by Della Cate

Over on the BB Ponzi Scam FB page, Demian has said:-

"Mark G., Keith L., Simon S and his wife Julie D. showed up. Seems like Mark even traveled over here from the US to support the defence. Anyway, make your own judgements about these 3 together in a room...lol"

Gets better by the minute, doesn't it?

It does Della, I hope this opens a huge can of worms for the main pimps involved.

Originally Posted by NikSam

Yeap, you got it pretty much correct :)

Ken stop takin any statement about Canada as a personal offense, I speak of personal experiences on several occasions and a lot of people can support what i say , Canada in several cases was so dumb that let people under the investigation and charged run away from a country without any problems at the border, people charged with crime could easily wire their proceeds to the offshore banks (as if Canada never heard of account freeze)
and the stats on prosecution of financial crimes and their closing the eyes on major money laundering going on across the country for a decade are the real indicator - they do not do their job.

If it makes you feel better – make fun of the Ukrainian and Russian legal system (where I am from), those just completely f**ked
and people who should be in jails are the judges, if you cannot bribe the judge you can always bribe a politician who will press on the judge.
When you go to the investigator with evidence enough to lock some criminal up, the investigator goes to the criminal and asks for money to make the case disappear.

P.S. On the other hand, maybe you should continue. You say hilarious stuff when you pissed.

LOL, I seem to remember a Canadian (Saint Nick from P2P) that is hiding in a coconut tree in the Philippines. Of course that was after he woke up from a coma and found out the Mounties were after him!

Originally Posted by NikSam

Yeap, you got it pretty much correct :)

Ken stop takin any statement about Canada as a personal offense, I speak of personal experiences on several occasions and a lot of people can support what i say , Canada in several cases was so dumb that let people under the investigation and charged run away from a country without any problems at the border, people charged with crime could easily wire their proceeds to the offshore banks (as if Canada never heard of account freeze)
and the stats on prosecution of financial crimes and their closing the eyes on major money laundering going on across the country for a decade are the real indicator - they do not do their job.

If it makes you feel better – make fun of the Ukrainian and Russian legal system (where I am from), those just completely f**ked
and people who should be in jails are the judges, if you cannot bribe the judge you can always bribe a politician who will press on the judge.
When you go to the investigator with evidence enough to lock some criminal up, the investigator goes to the criminal and asks for money to make the case disappear.

P.S. On the other hand, maybe you should continue. You say hilarious stuff when you pissed.

Sorry for this off topic moment....but....there is a lack of logic....stop takin -whatever - as a personal offense - meaning - you are not pissed...and then ...."when you pissed"... hm

Originally Posted by Joe_Shmoe

It does Della, I hope this opens a huge can of worms for the main pimps involved.

Will it drag in Mark "Twice Ya Money!" Stokes and Little Jamie, I wonder? Both have scuttled off elsewhere and make no reference to their happy days in BB.

Speaking of Little Jamie, he has now opened a coaching programme for wannabe online marketeers. (Well I assume that is what it is for. It could be giving hints and tips on how to choose your bog brush for all I know.)

Assuming it is for wannabe online gurus, will his first instruction be "First choose your coffee shop!" - because he seems to work out of coffee shops. Or garden sheds. Why does he do this, do you think? Do you think his mother throws him out of the house, as she wants to keep it tidy for when her friends come round for a game of bridge and a cheese roll?

Originally Posted by Della Cate

Do you think his mother throws him out of the house, as she wants to keep it tidy for when her friends come round for a game of bridge and a cheese roll cucumber sandwich with the crusts removed

Please show some respect,

We all know Jamie is no run-of-the-mill cheese roll eating ponzi pimp, he's got class

Originally Posted by NikSam

Yeap, you got it pretty much correct :)

Ken stop takin any statement about Canada as a personal offense, I speak of personal experiences on several occasions and a lot of people can support what i say , Canada in several cases was so dumb that let people under the investigation and charged run away from a country without any problems at the border, people charged with crime could easily wire their proceeds to the offshore banks (as if Canada never heard of account freeze)
and the stats on prosecution of financial crimes and their closing the eyes on major money laundering going on across the country for a decade are the real indicator - they do not do their job.

If it makes you feel better – make fun of the Ukrainian and Russian legal system (where I am from), those just completely f**ked
and people who should be in jails are the judges, if you cannot bribe the judge you can always bribe a politician who will press on the judge.
When you go to the investigator with evidence enough to lock some criminal up, the investigator goes to the criminal and asks for money to make the case disappear.

P.S. On the other hand, maybe you should continue. You say hilarious stuff when you pissed.

Hey, I'm not pissed, just figure some of your comments are funny and need a funny response. Your experience with the legal system is just that, your experience, and that doesn't mean that that is the norm. Several cases does not equal every case. Stats are stats and I can quote stats that show Canada, for the most part, is not what you claim. Your comments about Canada are applicable to most countries. Most countries have "several" cases" like you claim where Canada has not done their job. If I could be bothered I would take the time to quote you the many cases where Canada has acted in a timely manner on white collar crime, but, we have been over this in the past and you have your views and I have mine and nothing we say is going to change that.

What are the other countries doing to charge Driscoll, Stepsys and all the other top promoters worldwide in this scam now knowing that BBI was a Ponzi from the start? They are as guilty as Chris and Raj. Without these promoters BBI wouldn't have gotten off the ground. No recruiting = no members = no business! Are the authorities in the countries in which they operate slow and lazy or does it take time to investigate and charge them?

Originally Posted by baylee

LOL, I seem to remember a Canadian (Saint Nick from P2P) that is hiding in a coconut tree in the Philippines. Of course that was after he woke up from a coma and found out the Mounties were after him!

LOL! Wasn't there a show about the Mounties years ago? Dudley Do Right?

Originally Posted by laidback

LOL! Wasn't there a show about the Mounties years ago? Dudley Do Right?

Over on the BB Ponzi Scam FB page (many thanks for this cracker by the way - especially to the indefatigable Tara!), we have this:-

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He only introduced TWO people eh? And got only £24 for his trouble?

Oh, yeah?????

Originally Posted by laidback

LOL! Wasn't there a show about the Mounties years ago? Dudley Do Right?

And he was in love with his horse Nell.

Originally Posted by Le Chapeau

You cannot add the money that came in and the money that came out. That is double counting the figures. For example, the 6m in the Isle of man account most likely was generated from funds that came in via the payza/stp/other mechanisms and lodged there for 'rainy day'.
Just count the money that came in and you have the figure or thereabouts.

I was assuming the Isle of Man money came from direct credit card or other transactions to Smith rather than through the other payment processors mentioned because I didn't see that account mentioned in the Canadian report while it mentions all the other Bank Accounts. If not the 67 is about 60 million ballpark. Any further corrections or possibilities. dont foprget the 60/67 million is just what has been uncovered so far. Im surprised it is as high at that but pending someone clarifying me it seems it is at least in that region.

Originally Posted by NikSam

Yeap, you got it pretty much correct :)

Ken stop takin any statement about Canada as a personal offense,

While I agree somewhat with you To be fair to Ken (who I assume is Canadian ) you did claim the Canadian justice system was inept and run by lazy people. He probably has every right and reason to view this in a personal light.
Also dont forget that apart from India ( where the case hasnt progressed) and Isle of Man (which to be fair brought about the Canadian situation), Canada is the only jurisdiction who have acted on this. Also it has acted in an unprecedented manner giving broad and sweeping powers to extra jurisdictional liquidators.

I speak of personal experiences on several occasions and a lot of people can support what i say ,

Great because otherwise you are depending on "Argument from authority" and hearsay which is fallacious and unsupported.

Canada in several cases was so dumb that let people under the investigation and charged run away from a country without any problems at the border,

Can you cite the cases? And can you show how these don't happen in similar juristictions?

people charged with crime could easily wire their proceeds to the offshore banks (as if Canada never heard of account freeze)
and the stats on prosecution of financial crimes and their closing the eyes on major money laundering going on across the country for a decade are the real indicator - they do not do their job.

I would appreciate you supplying the stats because I think perhaps they are reports i already supplied. But how does this make Canada lazy or inept or a haven for money laundering as distinct from say UK or Luxembourg or Switzerland or elsewhere?

If it makes you feel better – make fun of the Ukrainian and Russian legal system (where I am from), those just completely f**ked
and people who should be in jails are the judges, if you cannot bribe the judge you can always bribe a politician who will press on the judge.

I really dont think russia and Ukraine ( heavily influenced by the russian system historically) are a fair comparison to Canada which is one of the most open free human rights supporting and non violent countries in the world.

But Im not going into a "pick on Ukraine and russia" debate here. While they are not Canada they also deserve some respect or at least their people do.

When you go to the investigator with evidence enough to lock some criminal up, the investigator goes to the criminal and asks for money to make the case disappear.

I dont believe this happens in Canada and if it does it is isolated and criminal.

P.S. On the other hand, maybe you should continue. You say hilarious stuff when you pissed.

While loathe to troll ... On this last point Im happy to agree.

Originally Posted by Ken Roklin

Stats are stats and I can quote stats that show Canada, for the most part, is not what you claim.

As I queried your interlocutor please feel free to do so and both of you will raise the level of debate from unsupported hearsay to actual evidence. And remember to refer to me if you are using sources i supplied :)

Your comments about Canada are applicable to most countries.

I dont know about this place is it between Morocco and Mozambique?

Most countries have "several" cases" like you claim where Canada has not done their job. If I could be bothered I would take the time to quote you the many cases where Canada has acted in a timely manner on white collar crime, but, we have been over this in the past and you have your views and I have mine and nothing we say is going to change that.

Now THAT is exactly why people should get involved in a proper debate. If you cant support you claims I suggest you dont make them! Also if you are going to adopt a "to lazy to bother" and "no point in doing anything as it will change nothing" stance then you are emulating the charistics you were suggesting Canadians do not have... which is sort of self contradictory.

What are the other countries doing to charge Driscoll, Stepsys and all the other top promoters worldwide in this scam now knowing that BBI was a Ponzi from the start? They are as guilty as Chris and Raj.

Correct but that is called "tu quote" and is another logical fallacy. Two wrongs dont make a right.

Without these promoters BBI wouldn't have gotten off the ground. No recruiting = no members = no business! Are the authorities in the countries in which they operate slow and lazy or does it take time to investigate and charge them?

That is a false dichotomy! It may also be both or neither and you may also have an "excluded middle". I was only discussing "critical thinking" to a neighbour this morning. I seem to identify lack of these elements everwhere. If that annoys you I am sorry but I dont regret identifying them.

Originally Posted by Joe_Shmoe

This is starting to get interesting now.

Are you sure Mark Ghobril is in the UK? I thought they had to move the hearing to a court with video conferencing facilities to enable the Trans-Atlantic scumbags to appear?

I read Demians email and it would be far better for him to contact the liquidator and ask the liquidator to attend. While many may not be SS downline the liquidator has an extensive list of claimants and further evidence which support the claim of BB being a ponzi. The way would then be clear to paint a picture of SS involvement in BB and a host of other ponzis for years before the liquidation and indeed in other similar schemes after it. It would be beneficial to point out how ponzi players work in roping in victims; getting direct money ( as in Damians case ) or kickbacks ( as in other cases); leaving/ceasing recruiting in the scheme while denying any links with higher management decisions or responsibilities to pay back any money; Several schemes are kept cooking at different stages at the same time and players jump ship to the next scheme. It is fairly easy to illustrate this with SS in the case of BB,Empower, MAPS

The Court Judgement is in:

Trustee in Bankruptcy, Corporate Insolvency, Restructuring, Consulting, and Corporate Finance - Active Files

Originally Posted by HARRISON

The Court Judgement is in:

Trustee in Bankruptcy, Corporate Insolvency, Restructuring, Consulting, and Corporate Finance - Active Files

Yes! Unfortunately though, had great difficulty reading the Judge's handwritten 10 page judgement? Let's hope the Judge is better than his handwritting.

On a separate issue, does anyone think that Driscoll expected this to go this big when he first started out on this journey? Does he not in a way implicate himself as a recruiter? Is he not part of the reason BB got as big as it did?

Originally Posted by Brenda

Yes! Unfortunately though, had great difficulty reading the Judge's handwritten 10 page judgement? Let's hope the Judge is better than his handwritting.

On a separate issue, does anyone think that Driscoll expected this to go this big when he first started out on this journey? Does he not in a way implicate himself as a recruiter? Is he not part of the reason BB got as big as it did?

Agree on all points, Brenda!

(The handwriting is bad, but I once had a boss who had truly terrible handwriting, so I shall have a go. It would be helpful if someone at Spergel Inc typed it all up, but maybe they can't read it that well either.)

Anyone remember our old friend, Nigel Albright? Up until yesterday, his website was still there, promoting a link to BB - although the link was only to the "Temporarily Closed" BB website.

Now, today, anyone looking for his website is confronted with this:-
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Maybe he has at last thrown the towel in on BB. Mind you, he is now pushing Leafit (formerly VLEAF, so I believe) over on Pinterest; so he too has moved on to the next "big" thing. Have to admire his persistence, he does keep on trying. Wonder how much he lost on BB? The last he said on his site was that he had put in about £1,200, but only withdrawn $50 (in the days when people still could get money out - i.e. pre 2013) So not that great a move, eh?

I'd like to say "better luck next time" but I really don't wish luck in these ventures to people who don't seem to learn from their mistakes.

Actually, has the main BB website now gone? I cannot find it anywhere.

No,it's still there...oh and who is there on BB Facebook page as first to "happily" bring the new court documents - Iain Sherriff - he is a real discover isn't he.

Iain Sherriff...a true scam horse with dragon face and snake skin now in rejection...so Iain..is the new skin already renewed and ready for new adventures and your forum shooting gallery preserved and ready for new Jurassic park drama ?...do not play to much roles ,Iain....you might forget who you really are.