Thread: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam

Originally Posted by Fat City, LA

That video. Wow. Few left who are slow enough to not see this as a farce.

Mark G - This is NOT a business. It is a PONZI scam. You have lost your house after being repo'd by bank!

Now what happens? Everyone is having a great time; yes I bet Chris and Ronnie are. Are you still penniless or did Chris pay you to come here?

Are you ready for this ! Our good friend Jamie Waters spills the beans on his Trinidad tour. The first paragraph, I am told is in response to a thread on the talking BS forums

Enjoy everybody!


Firstly - I’ve just caught up on this thread and some of the comments have down right annoyed me - I wrote my report before reading the thread, but my closing remarks are very apt… I won’t be sticking around here for much longer if the attitude continues.

BB World Tour 2014, Trinidad

I’m sat in the lounge on waiting for the flight back and reflecting on the tip of last week. We have some good news, we have some ‘no’ news - but on the whole I’m very happy that I made the decision to travel to Trinidad.

When you visit different countries and experience different cultures, you really see things from a whole new perspective - none is more try than this visit to ‘paradise’ (so they all kept telling me).

The affiliates are engaged, active (very!) and have 3 meetings every week, Monday, Wednesday and Friday with training, business opportunity presentations and more training. The meetings usually get around 80-100 people at a time. I made sure I spoke with as many as possible, before and after the event (I was very fortunate to be taken round a few tours of the island) and the commitment to BB is quite inspiring.

Their attitude, either founded on the ‘island mentality’ of being super relaxed (and super late, see below) is something that we should bottle up and pass to every single BB affiliate, because we would all be in a better place if we took a leaf out of their book.

There are no photos from the event because as usual (and like any other company) they are not allowed - BB did have a video crew there so it looks like a video will come out later if the footage is any good.

The event opened up at 11am with about 50 people… I was concerned that no one was turning up, but by about half an hour into the first session the room was nearly full with about 450-500 people. The steel band was a nice touch (BB affiliates) and the volunteers were very helpful and organised.

Ron opened the show and went through the new BB presentation - its been revamped, looks visually more appealing and focuses on social media and the advertising channel. It will be translated to as many languages that BB has affiliates and there was a big focus on improved multi channel communication helping affiliates who do not speak English.

Mike Kraemer from World eWallet made the trip to speak with us. It was good to put a face to the name. His slot was interesting, very frank and honest about where WeW are at, how they’ve been let down by partners who failed the due diligence test of WeW, how poor their communication and support has been. He made a commitment to improve both and to be a company that becomes a market leader.

There was talk of the card and how it’s not ready yet - while the relationship with T24 is not over (one department was working with Mike and WeW and another department didn’t know about them - that is why those who tried to contact T24 were being sent mixed messages) there are options for other providers should this not comes through. No date was given, but it is a priority.

The bank to bank payments are 2-4 months away.

Mike made it clear, as did Chris later, he (they) both know how important payments are, they know how the systems need to be in place asap - we as affiliates just need to let them get on with it.

He’s got over 20 years experience in the banking sector and after speaking with him 1-1 after, I’m happy with what he had to say and how he had to say it. (Selfie on my Facebook)

Next up was the speaker for the day, Patrick Schwerdtfeger - he spoke about the rise and importance of social media, personal branding and video. I thought he was excellent and learned a great deal and the affiliates there were given so many tips to help grow their respective businesses. Again I spoke with him after and look forward to hopefully working with him in the future (Selfie on my Facebook)

Chris closed the day for about half an hour. I don’t have word for word, but it was very honest and raw about the current issues and the future.

He covered why issues/rumours/noise are not instantly replied to - certainly the last few weeks, the issues are from BB providers and until those providers give BB details it is impossible for BB to keep affiliates informed.

He reinforced why BB are going with WeW - accepted they are not the best, not the most efficient but certainly the best for a long term relationship with BB.

He covered why it was important to have world tour - to show the comment, the resilience and have the face to face interaction with affiliates.

The ‘new things’

The premium blind network - BB have forged a partnership with a network that has nearly 1million websites and over the last 2 months have been testing the new advertising platform and the results are good. Because the service is more expensive than previous networks, the ratio of impressions used will be 50 to 1 - He joked that “this should not be a problem because you’ve probably got millions of impressions ready to be used” - Very true. This should be live by the end of the week. I think this is an excellent and welcomed update.

The Create My Suite - there are about 8 new websites all under the same group that did Create My Banners - tools that marketers will certainly use and will certainly be able to sell. I don’t have the links - but make sure you look out for them when they are released.

List 101 - This was interesting (as was the background to why it was created) - when BB started, people promoted BB as a way to advertise their business and the platform was full of external adverts. Fairly quickly into BB, people started to sell BB has a business so the ads became only BB ones - naturally the perception of this is not good when outside agencies look at BB, so List 101 will help. The design looks swish and is on the same wavelength as Clickbank - so affiliates can list their product or service and other affiliates can sell and gain commissions - there is also an affiliate deal. It can be used to promote none BB things.

v3.1 was talked about in different bits throughout the day but wasn’t given its own slot - bits that I’ve got are the traffic generation methods will be along the lines of liking, retweeting, blog post commenting and participating in the advertising channel.

I met people who generate 20,000 click incentive hits a day and are delighted with that, I met others who generate 30-40,000 a day in organic traffic. Affiliates need to realise that accounts can grow if they are ‘passive’ but the level of expectation needs to be brought back to reality. The value you bring to BB by making sales, will ALWAYS be worth more than anything else. As in anything, it is sales makes the world go round.

On summary, it has to be said that v1 and v2 days are gone and they are not coming back. The investment mentality has to change if the company and its affiliates are to move into the future stronger than ever - BB are finally getting the platform together to allow us to do that (although it seems the rest of the world are doing it already).

Nothing was dodged and it was good to get some time with Chris after (didn’t get a selfie but there is a pic on Facebook) - with all the different chances he’s had to close and walk away, he hasn’t. He knows things are tough, he knows what the priorities are - I’m happy and confident that with time and support things will be resolved and the upward curve will start again.

PS - In addition, I saw the tweets and mentions of the liquidation… you need to make sure that your affiliates are aware that the company in VOLUNTARY liquidation is an Isle of Man company that hasn’t been used. Affiliates have agreements with BB based in Belize.

You’re either with BB, or you’re not - but you need to get off the fence and make a decision. After spending time with the Trinidadians this week, it’s lowered my BS threshold. I’ve been with BB since May 2011 and TBB since September (I think)... all for free. I charge upwards of $500 an hour for coaching clients and if the attitude continues from certain posters, I’ll be calling it a day with TBB.

PPS - Can I please ask that you do not repost this post anywhere - if you want people to see it, have them create a TBB account. Thanks muchly :)

Same new-old rubbish...."...we as affiliates just need to let them get on with it." - you don't say...they just did it for 3 years and the result is - we as affiliates just need to let them get on with it.

"I charge upwards of $500 an hour for coaching clients" aka No one has ever paid for my coaching....but thats what I charge!

He knows things are tough

but not 5 days ago, things were merely a 'hiccup'

Interesting that there are really no pics of this event. They had plenty of nothing pics to show of stellar point when trying to convince of legitimacy.

Thanks to whatthe for posting this.

Far be it for me to play the man rather than the ball, but Jamie W really takes the biscuit. As and when the police catch up with him, he will have no defence whatsoever regarding conning people.

I also cannot comprehend that he still thinks this is "business". But then I suppose a crook never thinks in any other way.

Jamie lad... give it up now before anyone else gets hurt and decides that you are the one responsible for their misfortune.

*shakes head*

Originally Posted by CitizenKhan

Mark G - This is NOT a business. It is a PONZI scam. You have lost your house after being repo'd by bank!

Now what happens? Everyone is having a great time; yes I bet Chris and Ronnie are. Are you still penniless or did Chris pay you to come here?

Isn't there some book that warns of False Profits(sp)? Having read Jamie's wailing I am wondering other than recruiting new suckers why this event was held? Money to travel but not money to pay bills? What more do people need to know?

Originally Posted by Jamie Waters

You’re either with BB, or you’re not - but you need to get off the fence and make a decision.

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Originally Posted by Jamie Waters

I’ve been with BB since May 2011 and TBB since September (I think)... all for free.

So you are both a BB millionaire and have worked for free? I am not much with the numbers, but something seems amiss.

Originally Posted by Jamie Waters

I charge upwards of $500 an hour for coaching clients

As much as I would like to make a snide comment about that being my charge for modeling underwear... You live with your parents and work from your bedroom. You just said you worked for free since 2011. What blooming idiot would do that?

If I blogged for "free" it would either be for pure enjoyment OR to enhance the opportunities of the business I was in. In the later case, the word FREE would never enter my mind. Unless, I really made no money or was trying to placate all the suckers I convinced to work not for free, but at a price.

Funny thing word usage!

Originally Posted by Jamie Waters

PPS - Can I please ask that you do not repost this post anywhere

Golly Gosh I will keep an eye out, does BB have some sort of a way to report rule breakers?

Originally Posted by ribshaw

Having read Jamie's wailing I am wondering other than recruiting new suckers why this event was held?

This was the only reason and why:

Originally Posted by the scammer

After spending time with the Trinidadians this week, it’s lowered my BS threshold.

They were on to his bullshit

Originally Posted by ribshaw

So you are both a BB millionaire and have worked for free? I am not much with the numbers, but something seems amiss.

And a fine thing to be telling affiliates that have been waiting for money for over a year while still having to pump cash in.

Is this what they call "damning with faint praise"?

Quote from Little Jamie's screed above Smiffy talking about WeW: He reinforced why BB are going with WeW - accepted they are not the best, not the most efficient but certainly the best for a long term relationship with BB.

Maybe they are "going" with WeW because no other payment processor will "go" with BB......

Lil' Jamie again on Mike Kraemer:-

Mike made it clear, as did Chris later, he (they) both know how important payments are, they know how the systems need to be in place asap - we as affiliates just need to let them get on with it.

He’s got over 20 years experience in the banking sector and after speaking with him 1-1 after, I’m happy with what he had to say and how he had to say it. (Selfie on my Facebook)

Over 20 years experience in the banking sector, eh.....yet on Linkedin, all he has is this......you'd think he would list all his past roles, wouldn't you, as a banking expert?

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This is what BB said in their webinar on 11th July:

The other issue is with the system itself. It's more of a hiccup. It's unfortunate, because we've waited so long for this to go live, so we were hoping for it to be one of our multiple payment mechanisms but now it's coincided with not having Payza and STP, so the delay feels a lot more, it hurts a lot more than if we had other options.

So while WeW figures all this out, we will be suspending Admin fees for one month. No admin fees for the month of July. This is only fair since we have no way to payout. Everything else will be moving along as usual inside BB. You will still have full access to the system. We feel this is a good step for the delay that is outside of our control. We have chosen World eWallet and we are sticking with them.

I have not heard yet what the solution will be. I am hoping this solution is one we can move forward with. Worst case scenario, we do have other options lined up and ready to go. We will not be long without a payout option. So once again, we look forward to the official news release from WeW to see what the solution will be. We were hoping for today, but we are waiting just like you.

I have passed all the information over to you. We have not posted anything more because we only know there is a hiccup and are waiting for it to be smoothed out. So that's the news for WeW.


Full text of that webinar is on the Bb Blog Banners Broker

So according to Rockin' Ronnie (AKA Wiggy), it's just a "hiccup", but Lil' Jamie says this:-

Mike Kraemer from World eWallet made the trip to speak with us. It was good to put a face to the name. His slot was interesting, very frank and honest about where WeW are at, how they’ve been let down by partners who failed the due diligence test of WeW, how poor their communication and support has been. He made a commitment to improve both and to be a company that becomes a market leader.

There was talk of the card and how it’s not ready yet - while the relationship with T24 is not over (one department was working with Mike and WeW and another department didn’t know about them - that is why those who tried to contact T24 were being sent mixed messages) there are options for other providers should this not comes through. No date was given, but it is a priority.

Think you chaps need to get your stories straight - a bit like Ron's wig really.

Originally Posted by Della Cate

Lil' Jamie again on Mike Kraemer:-

He’s got over 20 years experience in the banking sector and after speaking with him 1-1 after, I’m happy with what he had to say and how he had to say it. (Selfie on my Facebook)[/COLOR][/I]

Over 20 years experience in the banking sector, eh.....yet on Linkedin, all he has is this......you'd think he would list all his past roles, wouldn't you, as a banking expert?

Mike K July14.jpg

What he really means is that he has had a bank account for over 20 years. . .

Good one, I mean, he just grayed it out there and some people could just misinterpret that.

Someone follow Ronnie to the airport and see if he needs to, ah, adjust his appearance to get through passport control.

Where's next on the Comedy World Tour?

Brace yourselves.....and get the sickbag ready.....Rockin' Ronnie has shed his wig and has dipped his pen in the purple ink.....

Good afternoon dearest Banners Broker affiliates, invitees and readers. We’re finally back!

The Banners Broker World Tour in Trinidad and Tobago was amazing. The country of Trinidad was breathtakingly beautiful; the environment was constantly filled with an abundance of culture and energy. We’ve had the opportunity to meet wonderful Banners Broker affiliates from all over the world and we must say Trinidad and Tobago was a perfect choice of location! Trinidad, you’ve left all of us at the Banners Broker Team mesmerized!

The event itself was nothing short of dynamic. We had four speakers that graced the stage at the Banners Broker World Tour. Our very own Ron Anderson was introduced and he revealed the new Introductory Presentation and spoke about the inherent structure of Banners Broker and engaged the crowd with his humour and charisma. Mike Kraemer, the CEO of World eWallet, took the stage next and spoke about the bright future he envisioned with Banners Broker. Thereafter we had the pleasure of having Patrick Schwerdtfeger, a well-known social media expert, give lessons on social media, nurtured leads and the potential to grow in advertising. Finally, the man of the day, Chris Smith spoke about the future of Banners Broker and introduced new sister sites as well as the new Premium Blind Network!

Guests and affiliates were serenaded to the beats of the steel drum throughout intermission periods. We must send our warmest thanks to the Sapophonic’s Ensemble who did a great job of entertaining the crowd and filling the atmosphere with an energetic local vibe. These men also wore Banners Broker swag in the form of shades while they played!

The Banners Broker World Tour was held at the Hilton Trinidad Hotel and Conference Centre in Port of Spain. Its amenities, and the view that it offered, were beyond compare. We have to send our sincerest gratitude to the staff, associates and visitors that were friendly, hospitable and, overall, incredible to work with.

We must also commend our fabulous Master of Ceremonies, Marlon Modeste, and his team for their excellent energy! Marlon vibed with the crowd and created a wonderful environment for everyone to interact willingly and openly with one another. Marlon’s team was there to ensure the smooth delivery of activities, technical support and general feedback whenever the opportunity presented itself. Everyone worked cohesively and we cannot thank everyone enough for their input.

Last, but not least, we must extend our utmost gratitude to our wonderful group of volunteers! Everyone’s positivity, enthusiasm and excitement permeated throughout the course of the day. The conference would not have taken place without everyone’s involvement and with that said, we must thank each person that volunteered their time and effort to make this event successful. Everyone was fantastic!

All in all, the event was a huge success. We want to, once again, thank everyone that attended, volunteered, MC’d, organized and supported in whichever way they could this past Sunday.

Everything turned out marvellously and we cannot wait for the next Banners Broker World Tour!

I didn't realise that this event only lasted one day! What on earth can you say and do in a day?

Mind you, what can they say about BB? "You won't get your money, suckers.........so p*ss off!"

That would only have taken about 30 seconds.......

All you naysayers are going to look very silly when someone answers this question: how many dates are there in the World Tour? Because this sort of thing can't be undertaken by some fake company conning people with made up numbers on a screen!

Between 2009 and 2011 U2 played 110 shows on a World Tour! Between 2005 and 2007 the Rollings Stones played 144 dates on their World Tour! This sort of thing requires serious planning and finances!!

So if someone can please list the venues and dates for this World Tour, I'm sure everyone will have to agree that it's all above board and a real business.

Where's the list?

Originally Posted by Eponymous

All you naysayers are going to look very silly when someone answers this question: how many dates are there in the World Tour? Because this sort of thing can't be undertaken by some fake company conning people with made up numbers on a screen!

Between 2009 and 2011 U2 played 110 shows on a World Tour! Between 2005 and 2007 the Rollings Stones played 144 dates on their World Tour! This sort of thing requires serious planning and finances!!

So if someone can please list the venues and dates for this World Tour, I'm sure everyone will have to agree that it's all above board and a real business.

Where's the list?

BB can CLAIM all it wants about venues, dates, attendance, etc, but without independent corroboration means exactly squat!!!.

apparently baldy went to a different gig than the jaimster. Chris allegedly said there were problems yet baldy says they're adding more sites. You can't get the ones you have now working but you'll allegedly add more.

Originally Posted by Della Cate

Brace yourselves.....and get the sickbag ready.....Rockin' Ronnie has shed his wig and has dipped his pen in the purple ink.....

Good afternoon dearest Banners Broker affiliates, invitees and readers. We’re finally back!

The Banners Broker World Tour in Trinidad and Tobago was amazing. The country of Trinidad was breathtakingly beautiful; the environment was constantly filled with an abundance of culture and energy. We’ve had the opportunity to meet wonderful Banners Broker affiliates from all over the world and we must say Trinidad and Tobago was a perfect choice of location! Trinidad, you’ve left all of us at the Banners Broker Team mesmerized!

The event itself was nothing short of dynamic. We had four speakers that graced the stage at the Banners Broker World Tour. Our very own Ron Anderson was introduced and he revealed the new Introductory Presentation and spoke about the inherent structure of Banners Broker and engaged the crowd with his humour and charisma. Mike Kraemer, the CEO of World eWallet, took the stage next and spoke about the bright future he envisioned with Banners Broker. Thereafter we had the pleasure of having Patrick Schwerdtfeger, a well-known social media expert, give lessons on social media, nurtured leads and the potential to grow in advertising. Finally, the man of the day, Chris Smith spoke about the future of Banners Broker and introduced new sister sites as well as the new Premium Blind Network!

Guests and affiliates were serenaded to the beats of the steel drum throughout intermission periods. We must send our warmest thanks to the Sapophonic’s Ensemble who did a great job of entertaining the crowd and filling the atmosphere with an energetic local vibe. These men also wore Banners Broker swag in the form of shades while they played!

The Banners Broker World Tour was held at the Hilton Trinidad Hotel and Conference Centre in Port of Spain. Its amenities, and the view that it offered, were beyond compare. We have to send our sincerest gratitude to the staff, associates and visitors that were friendly, hospitable and, overall, incredible to work with.

We must also commend our fabulous Master of Ceremonies, Marlon Modeste, and his team for their excellent energy! Marlon vibed with the crowd and created a wonderful environment for everyone to interact willingly and openly with one another. Marlon’s team was there to ensure the smooth delivery of activities, technical support and general feedback whenever the opportunity presented itself. Everyone worked cohesively and we cannot thank everyone enough for their input.

Last, but not least, we must extend our utmost gratitude to our wonderful group of volunteers! Everyone’s positivity, enthusiasm and excitement permeated throughout the course of the day. The conference would not have taken place without everyone’s involvement and with that said, we must thank each person that volunteered their time and effort to make this event successful. Everyone was fantastic!

All in all, the event was a huge success. We want to, once again, thank everyone that attended, volunteered, MC’d, organized and supported in whichever way they could this past Sunday.

Everything turned out marvellously and we cannot wait for the next Banners Broker World Tour!

I didn't realise that this event only lasted one day! What on earth can you say and do in a day?

Mind you, what can they say about BB? "You won't get your money, suckers.........so p*ss off!"

That would only have taken about 30 seconds.......

Jesus, the steel band wore shades! Who would have thought it, sunglasses in Trinidad and Tobago! Now there's a trend that might catch on, perhaps BB are onto something

amazing no pictures of any of this. from the people that flooded the internet with pics of a warehouse with empty desks.

Hope the band got paid upfront or cheap sunglasses are all she wrote with these scoundrels.

Here's Mr Schwerdtfeger..........and it does look like he was in T&T recently (according to his map, anyway).

Patrick Schwerdtfeger - Author and Motivational Keynote Speaker

He seems to work mainly in the USA. We haven't had the pleasure of him in the UK yet. However, now I know he has spoken at a BB event, I shall certainly seek him out to listen to his pearls of wisdom, should he ever come this way.

Unfortunately for Mr S, someone has already posted comments on his Facebook page....

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Meanwhile, BB has announced that it is suspending admin fees for a month "due to a lack of payout options" - i.e, WeW hasn't come though yet (if it ever does). They're still going to charge for traiffic packs, so your "subscription wallet" needs to have a positive balance in it to pay for them.

About 15 people have lined up to post on the Fb page to say THANK YOU to BB for being so generous!

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Originally Posted by Della Cate

Here's Mr Schwerdtfeger..........and it does look like he was in T&T recently (according to his map, anyway).

Patrick Schwerdtfeger - Author and Motivational Keynote Speaker

He seems to work mainly in the USA. We haven't had the pleasure of him in the UK yet. However, now I know he has spoken at a BB event, I shall certainly seek him out to listen to his pearls of wisdom, should he ever come this way.

Unfortunately for Mr S, someone has already posted comments on his Facebook page....

Patrick Schwerdtfegers' old, 2010 Tactical Execution.com blog