Thread: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam

Originally Posted by samuel.r

Hi Jason - I did look at the FB and WP links - but honestly can't really be convinced that's a high probability of the 'right' person.

Not sure it matters either ;-)

The Facebook pages for Gloria and Raj are 99% them.
WhitePages I can't be certain without someone knocking on the door.

Jason

P.S - I don't suppose it does matter!

Interesting article posted today:

"1,200 Subpoenas Will Go Out This Week To Zeek ‘Affiliates Who Profited Most,’
Receiver Says; More Subpoenas Will Follow; Winners Also Will Receive ‘Letter
Offering To Negotiate Voluntary Surrender Of Profits’"

A fascinating factoid therein: "...a preliminary analysis suggests that Zeek losers outnumber winners by a factor of about eight to one."

Food for thought for the BB-droids.

Originally Posted by Julie Diligent

Interesting article posted today:

"1,200 Subpoenas Will Go Out This Week To Zeek ‘Affiliates Who Profited Most,’
Receiver Says; More Subpoenas Will Follow; Winners Also Will Receive ‘Letter
Offering To Negotiate Voluntary Surrender Of Profits’"

A fascinating factoid therein: "...a preliminary analysis suggests that Zeek losers outnumber winners by a factor of about eight to one."

Food for thought for the BB-droids.

Hi Julie

It's a pity that UK law isn't so tough. We have the "proceeds of crime" act, which theoretically means that the authorities can claw back unlawfully-obtained gains. In practice, it's only used against big-time criminals, rather than smaller-scale miscreants.

Uplines in scams would probably say "I didn't know it was a scam" and, because the UK criminal judicial system is so weak, would almost certainly get away with it. In civil law I doubt if claims would get very far, either.

I envy people under American law. 20 years in the pen for jaywalking, and several lifetimes inside for anything serious.

Originally Posted by Julie Diligent

A fascinating factoid therein: "...a preliminary analysis suggests that Zeek losers outnumber winners by a factor of about eight to one."

Food for thought for the BB-droids.

One to eight sounds a bit low. Not doubting the figures but don't think they taken into account the people with multiple accounts. There are plenty people in BB who may be up in one account but down in the other two or three accounts they have.

In my experience, those numbers are what I would expect from a HYIP ponzi scam.

A "normal" ponzi will return around an 20/80 winners/losers ration.

"Normal" ponzis don't have "referral commissions"

A HYIP ponzi/pyramid hybrid such as Zeek Rewards, will produce a much different winner/loser ration AND the amounts on the "winner" side tend to be a lot larger.

I has to be remembered that many/most of the insiders, including pimps and shills input very little, if any, money of their own.

They are "paid" with high positions, are often paid higher than normal "referral" commissions and, in fact, make most of their money largely from referrals. I.OW. they're paid straight out of the memberships without having to risk anything.

When a mere 2% of Zeeks' "revenue" (not profit) came from the penny auctions, then EVERY single cent paid out came from members fees.

Given the amounts shills, pimps and insiders were touting they'd earned, given many of the memberships were either free or nickel and dime sized, it would be my opinion the receivers' estimations won't prove to be far wrong.

After all, it would take a h*** of a lot of $10 or $20 "investments" to cover a single $10,000 "ROI" when there's no source of money other than membership fees.

Another idiot claiming to have doubled his money in only a month on MMG. How stupid can you be. If he gives me his investment I'll be more than happy to show him a spread sheet that SAYS he has doubled his investment too.

Originally Posted by noname999

Another idiot claiming to have doubled his money in only a month on MMG. How stupid can you be. If he gives me his investment I'll be more than happy to show him a spread sheet that SAYS he has doubled his investment too.

HeHe, add together the cash in his pocket and fifty cents and he STILL wouldn't have enough to buy a decent cup of coffee.

As the great majority of ex Zeeklers will tell him, numbers on his screen are worth less than nothing.

Morons - these people don't realise that just because it pays out or they 'double their money' does not stop it being a Ponzi. That is not evidence it is not a Ponzi, it just means you are higher up the banners broker Ponzi and ripping off the new people you are encouraging into it!

And also - the same people boasting about their earnings then conveniently dismiss them when they are told they may have to pay tax on their e-wallet balances!

Originally Posted by noname999

Another idiot claiming to have doubled his money in only a month on MMG. How stupid can you be. If he gives me his investment I'll be more than happy to show him a spread sheet that SAYS he has doubled his investment too.

You right...or he is not stupid at all but a bad liar...just trying to suck few spoons and fools into bubble

I think would be good that some of you guys visit MMG forum and make fools of few BB droids there..I can not..I am banned from this forum becasue of another ponzi and some shills which I blamed for their dirty job but I did it to rough...I admit

Have sent you a PM

Originally Posted by Mundorf

I think would be good that some of you guys visit MMG forum and make fools of few BB droids there..I can not..I am banned from this forum becasue of another ponzi and some shills which I blamed for their dirty job but I did it to rough...I admit

IM(very)HO, there would be absolutely no point in doing so.

Banners' Broker is dead.

It's not going to come back from here.

Close reading of both the MMG and Talkgold HYIP ponzi forums shows there's no one left except true believers, shills and regular players.

The shills don't care, the regular players already have their seed money safely in their back pockets and there's nothing the "true believers" could do, even if they saw the light and tried to withdraw their money.

Judging by the fact "payouts" have slowed to a crawl, the numbers of new members bringing in new money must be at almost a zero level by now.

Experience tells me, there is nothing that can be done now but to sit back and await the inevitable.

Retiring 30 years early, taking out 2,000 pounds, 300 people in downline. These are all lies. Let the idiots believe them. They deserve what they get.

Originally Posted by noname999

Retiring 30 years early, taking out 2,000 pounds, 300 people in downline. These are all lies. Let the idiots believe them. They deserve what they get.

Noname, sounding quite bitter.
If my grandmother was an 'idiot' and was naive enough to be pulled into this - I wouldn't believe she deserved it. Just a thought!

Jason

Originally Posted by Bonzer

Its people like this guy, ASH CAMPBELL that make me sick, with screenshots all over facebook bragging how much he's earned. He says he has put 300 people into his downline, and brags about banking £2000 in 3 days.

Anybody Know this guy? He has a list of his withrawals on the left of the screenshots to tempt people to join.

You can see this technique actually working, drawing people in even now:

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Banners Broker will now probably lock his account & stop him withdrawingany cash for breaking the T&Cs

Maybe it does sound bitter but people have to take responsibility for their actions too. There has been plenty discussion on the topic and it has become obvious that it is a scam. If people are just going to take the word of strangers on a social media site, people they have never met, we can hardly protect them. They are their own worst enemy.

Originally Posted by noname999

Maybe it does sound bitter but people have to take responsibility for their actions too. There has been plenty discussion on the topic and it has become obvious that it is a scam. If people are just going to take the word of strangers on a social media site, people they have never met, we can hardly protect them. They are their own worst enemy.

It's not only complete strangers.
For example, in my case a 'friend' involved me in this.
That's how these people work.

Banners Broker is dying. The only thing that would save it now is for these threads to disappear and for a few hundred thousand new members.
But that ain't gonna happen!

Jason

Well said

'Cool to have now the Traffic Packs automatically charged every month smile.gif'

Just posted on MMG. This muppet is actually happy that they are automatically taking more money from him. There is no hope for someone like that.

Then another posts this:

Excellent project. I want to enter, but do not have Liberty Reserve. Tell me, will there be a future in this system? Thanks in advance

First he describes the scam as an excellent project but then, in the same breath, asks if it has a future!!

-Sign up straight away. Make sure to put in every penny you have. Remortgage the house as well. You know it makes sense!

Originally Posted by noname999

'Cool to have now the Traffic Packs automatically charged every month smile.gif'

Maybe this marks a significant change in the Banners Broker biz model:

Recruit masochists.

Originally Posted by noname999

'Cool to have now the Traffic Packs automatically charged every month smile.gif'

Just posted on MMG. This muppet is actually happy that they are automatically taking more money from him. There is no hope for someone like that.

Then another posts this:

Excellent project. I want to enter, but do not have Liberty Reserve. Tell me, will there be a future in this system? Thanks in advance

First he describes the scam as an excellent project but then, in the same breath, asks if it has a future!!

-Sign up straight away. Make sure to put in every penny you have. Remortgage the house as well. You know it makes sense!

about the traffic, that is not ture, it is really a good thing that they made.
1. you can now cancel those packs.
2. you don't have to guess what is the time zone that banners is working with and buy it at that time (if you buy it too early it will count as if you got two packs and if you get it late then you got a new one but didn't pay for the old one)

any important stuff about banners broker, I do not have any time to go on talkingbb or go here a lot. did anyone get a talk to somone that can actually make the proccess of closing down banners quicker?

Greed is a really powerful emotion. If you've got it bad, you do really stupid things

Some people will pay good money to send their ID to dodgy ponzi schemes on the other side of the world.

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This guy has been waiting 5 Months for his wife's BB card:

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Its an amazingly powerful and ugly emotion. Couple that with stupidity and its amazing what you can achieve!

On the card issue. That guy is one of many. They are using the card application process as serious delay tactic. There are some people waiting over 6 months now.

Can someone tell me the exact reason that Banners Brokers gives for needing these notarized / highly personal & sensitive documents?

No theories please -- can someone actually research or maybe already knows the "legal" and specific reason that they assert for this requirement? Also, is the requirement in any way being connected to MasterCard?

I'm asking this for a very important reason so I need a good researcher or someone who is very familiar with the requirement to answer. Thanks...