Thread: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam

Martin Wild's son sent this to me on Facebook:

"... You want to take this to court? So be it. Banners Broker may not want to
take you to court because of whatever legal implications it may cause but
trust me Jason, my father will take you to court in the defence of his name.
I noticed that you said you only removed his name after threats were made,
true, but you removed his website after I asked you. Maybe a post that said
'I removed his website after my friend asked' would've been more
appropriate, yes? A lot of people with money behind them want to financially
cripple you for life. Out of respect for you, and your newborn daughter (who
is in no way involved in this admittedly), I asked my dad to reason with
you. He obliged and sent you those texts to try and genuinely help you. But
your refusal is now your sentence. Many people are about to attack you
legally Jason, and I honestly tried to get you out of it.

I'm quite drunk to be honest, and this in no way is a 'threat', but I'm
trying to help you. You may think BB is a scam but for the sake of your
future, I simply ask you to let it go. Do it in private if you want, I
genuinely don't care, but don't post names, addresses, phone numbers etc on
a public forum.

that is all I'm saying. I wish you well.,"

So, what are your thoughts?

Jason

Originally Posted by Poyol

So, for posting Martin Wild's information I'm supposedly being threatened with legal action --what law/civil offence I'm breaking; I don't know.

This was already public information -- so, not exactly data protection act, and it's all true so not exactly libel!

I can just imagine it in court (which it obviously won't come to)

Judge "So Mr Wild are you involved with Banners Broker?
Mr Martin Wild "'erm yes"
Judge "aaahhh yes the scam I have heard so much about. Case dismissed"
Judge " Tell me more about this scam Mr Wild"


Found this in 2 secs with a Google search...
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I would take Mr Wild to court for scamming you. (He sounds like a right ******)

Originally Posted by Poyol

So, what are your thoughts?

Jason

Mate, the chances of this getting to court are zero and the chances of Mr Wild or any other HYIP ponzi player and/or supporter getting to within 10 miles of a courtroom are even less.

If Mr Wild thinks he or his lawyer can stand up in front of a Judge and defend Banners Broker, then let him go ahead, I say.

In fact, it would probably be one of the best things to happen to the cause of those who set out to reveal the truth behind online fraud.

IOW, it's bul****t and he knows it's bul****t and is simply trying to scare you.

(P.S. if he decides to go ahead with his nonsense, make sure you get a proposed date for the court appearance so we can have as many media representatives and law enforcement agencies present as is possible)

AS IF

If for libel it'd be like:

Me: So Mr Wild can you explain what libel is?

...

Me: It's an UNTRUE written statement causing insult, defamation and or damage to reputation. So, are you not a presenter for Banners Broker in the Manchester area? Is this not your website? Do you recruit people 'under' yourself in Banners Broker? No more questions.

Apparently, Martin Wild and Don Allen Holbrook are going to joust to see who will be the Lord and Master of the Internet. We all know how that will turn out!

Soapboxmom

Do you accept money for promoting a fraudulent business ??

Can you prove to the court the program is NOT a fraudulent business ??

Can you show the court the steps you undertook to ensure the legality of Banners Broker BEFORE you accepted payment ??

Can you show the court the steps you undertook to verify the statements you made on behalf of Banners Broker were, in fact, accurate ??

SBM, he's not threatened you has he?!

If that's what you're saying!

Originally Posted by Poyol

Martin Wild's son sent this to me on Facebook:

"... You want to take this to court? So be it. Banners Broker may not want to
take you to court because of whatever legal implications it may cause but
trust me Jason, my father will take you to court in the defence of his name.
I noticed that you said you only removed his name after threats were made,
true, but you removed his website after I asked you. Maybe a post that said
'I removed his website after my friend asked' would've been more
appropriate, yes? A lot of people with money behind them want to financially
cripple you for life. Out of respect for you, and your newborn daughter (who
is in no way involved in this admittedly), I asked my dad to reason with
you. He obliged and sent you those texts to try and genuinely help you. But
your refusal is now your sentence. Many people are about to attack you
legally Jason, and I honestly tried to get you out of it.

I'm quite drunk to be honest, and this in no way is a 'threat', but I'm
trying to help you. You may think BB is a scam but for the sake of your
future, I simply ask you to let it go. Do it in private if you want, I
genuinely don't care, but don't post names, addresses, phone numbers etc on
a public forum.

that is all I'm saying. I wish you well.,"

So, what are your thoughts?

Jason

Legitimate businesses and business people do not send out correspondence such as this. Perhaps, the scammers should sober up before posting!!! That can't possibly construed as anything but a threat! I take it all his bar buddies are going to stagger your way and throw Nerf darts at you or something?

Folks that go public with all their contact information have no business complaining when it does in fact go public. The scammers best find a provably false statement of fact if they are going to belly-ache so. And, they should do a lot more legal research. Opinion is not generally actionable.

The ones who are "financially crippled" I would bet are the folks pushing this collapsing scam. The top guys made their money and were laughing all the way to the bank long ago. Now, the little guys are taking a blood bath and as we can see getting a wee bit grumpy. No consolation to be found in the beer apparently.

Of course these constant threats to those that are sharing the truth generates a ton of negative publicity and usually hits the first page of Google in record time. That sure does wonders for sales, now doesn't it!!!

Soapboxmom

If Mr Martin Wild is not careful when he next Googles his name this thread might be top of the Google search ranking.

Ask Don Allen Holbrook about that...

Originally Posted by Poyol

SBM, he's not threatened you has he?!

If that's what you're saying!

HAHAHA!!! Not yet, but as with many of these guys, they seem to fantasize that they are going to be able to threaten and intimidate people into doing their bidding. They want to believe they can be in charge of the internet. Very humorous to watch.

Trying to silence folks often backfires like this and a huge public scuffle ensues. Many scammers insist on learning the hard way!

Originally Posted by littleroundman

Do you accept money for promoting a fraudulent business ??

Can you prove to the court the program is NOT a fraudulent business ??

Can you show the court the steps you undertook to ensure the legality of Banners Broker BEFORE you accepted payment ??

Can you show the court the steps you undertook to verify the statements you made on behalf of Banners Broker were, in fact, accurate ??

The FTC says:

Your Responsibilities If you decide to become a distributor, you are legally responsible for the claims you make about the company, its product and the business opportunities it offers. That applies even if you're repeating claims you read in a company brochure or advertising flyer. The Federal Trade Commission advises you to verify the research behind any claims about a product's performance before repeating those claims to a potential customer. In addition, if you solicit new distributors, you are responsible for the claims you make about a distributor's earnings potential. Be sure to represent the opportunity honestly and avoid making unrealistic promises. If those promises fall through, remember that you could be held liable.

Folks promoting something better be dang sure they have checked it out thoroughly and that they are honestly representing said product and/or opportunity!

Another Nice topic, started a long time ago but people still post in it, here is the first part of the post -



and here is a very "nice" comment I found in the thread -




so much bullshit..

Does Mr Wild describe himself thus?

Entrepreneur, Speaker, Investor, Forex & Sports Exchange Trader, Husband & Dad to 3, Golfer & Manchester City Fan. Enjoy the Journey but Just Do It!!
Me: It's an UNTRUE written statement causing insult, defamation and or damage to reputation. So, are you not a presenter for Banners Broker in the Manchester area?

If so I seen him on twitter. He's an Entrepreneur don't you know?

Originally Posted by littleroundman

Mate, the chances of this getting to court are zero and the chances of Mr Wild or any other HYIP ponzi player and/or supporter getting to within 10 miles of a courtroom are even less.

If Mr Wild thinks he or his lawyer can stand up in front of a Judge and defend Banners Broker, then let him go ahead, I say.

In fact, it would probably be one of the best things to happen to the cause of those who set out to reveal the truth behind online fraud.

IOW, it's bul****t and he knows it's bul****t and is simply trying to scare you.

(P.S. if he decides to go ahead with his nonsense, make sure you get a proposed date for the court appearance so we can have as many media representatives and law enforcement agencies present as is possible)

AS IF

The punk bitch already knows it's never going to happen. That's why he opened with this, and even admitted why:

You want to take this to court? So be it. Banners Broker may not want to
take you to court because of whatever legal implications it may cause

Why would there be any legal implications if this is legit? So, what everyone is saying is true.

Wow Poyol so because of a post on a forum Martin Wild knows people who will ruin you for life.

Bloody Hell make sure you don't double cross him in a drugs deal, no telling what he might be capable of

I try not to get mixed up in drug deals!

Yeah, for mentioning his name he's going to financially ruin my family and I for life.

I think not.

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That on a Google?

Originally Posted by Poyol

That on a Google?

Absolutely!

Soapboxmom

Well done on capturing the pages from scam.com. Hell, I spent ages working out how to get the history pages off my HP Touchpad (no expense spared here; no cheap iPad for me! More money to invest in some scam or other that way), saving them to the awful word processor app, finding the cable to link it to a proper computer, copy the file across, save it as text, open it in Firefox, save as web page.... I did six pages in an hour... then saw what you'd done....

There's some seriously good research there, and I'm glad it is saved. It's biblioclasm in the modern age....not sure what the correct term when the internet is involved. Bitoclasm, but that sounds crap. Interesting that there's "history" between this sites.

I'm still amazed at the quantity of positive info out there o the web, how many people who are BB investors either believe they have found untold wealth or, having realised the principle of the scam, continue to "spread the word", to try and dig themselves out of the mire they are in by passing the **** on downwards.

Anyway, threats over the interweb? That's an offence under the Telecommunications Act, I'd have thought. Being drunk is no excuse... and I should know that, bein this thread's resident megalomaniac. (Now look, that word was dipsomaniac, not megalo.. .. and the damn autocorrect keeps cutting in. HP Touchpad is great for browsing, otherwise useless. All errors in this post are owing to my Touchpad, not the booze. Honest).

Can one sign up on a BB forum without spending £££ (or dollars, if you are that side of the pond?) I'd love to see how the mind-hive is convincing itself?

I see Jamie deleted his $3.6m Tweet
I didn't
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This will look plain silly one day

Or it'll look like evidence....

edit: what's the minimum investment? how little does it cost to buy into this ****? Any idea how much the minions are shelling out on average/maximum investment?

The psychology of the scam is fascinating. Those at the top know from the get go they are going to be defrauding innocent, trusting souls, many of whom are desperate to earn money. They laugh all the way to the bank.

The huddled masses join as they are in desperate straights financially and will give anything a shot. They perpetuate the scam against all logic as they cannot bear to admit to themselves they were conned and have spent money they are desperate to recoup. Who wants to admit to themselves much less anyone else they didn't see it was a scam and/or were so trusting they let someone screw them. Eventually some are overcome with a nagging unease and start researching the scam and realize they were taken. Most quietly drop out and hope they will not be vilified for being a quitter and failing. They have been told if the give up they are worthless and that any failure is due to their not following the plan and re-inventing the wheel etc.

A few will file complaints and speak out publicly. A rare handful might have the money and or savvy to find legal help and will pursue those that defrauded them. The vast majority will go on to the next scam sure that it is the one and success is just around the corner. A few will be grateful they were not very successful and therefore left few or perhaps no further victims in their wake.

With law enforcement underfunded and understaffed, sites like this across the net can help to keep folks from being defrauded. If one can read before they are pushed in with the high pressure tactics these deals employ, perhaps these scams can be stopped in their tracks. I believe education is the key! If folks knew they had a 97-99% failure rate, a lot less people would jump in. There are few retail sales and these deals only grow in essence due to recruitment. There is little money to be made when the sales people have no actual customers. Who would knowingly pay up to the top pyramid promoters?

Soapboxmom

Yep, the first forum I was on with this started with an appeal : what does anyone know about this, is it for real? There was a few days of non-response, while some of us looked into the matter..... we then posted back that it was a scam (I say Ponzi, others say Pyramid).... to be told by the OP. " don't you dare say that, it is a legitimate Company, stop calling it a Ponzi/Pyramid".... From asking - to preaching , in a few days. Yep, in the interim, he'd invested, and been converted to the + belief + of BannersBroker (hey, one up to my Touchpad, it wants to correct BannersBroker to (and I'll type the same, but not correct) to UnderwhElmed {sic}).
Sucked in, you either have to admit you were fooled, or you have to play the game, and pass the damage on down the line. Possibly the worst bit I've seen is the..."and it is so good, I got my mum and sister and nephew to buy in..." approach. The angst in years to come from that...

Then I realise I'm enjoying viewing this, the schadenfreude, the: I'm aware this is a scam.... hmmm that makes me feel a bit less good about myself....

So, Ponzi or Pyramid? I'm not experienced, and I'd say Ponzi.... There's no real investment, is there? No real marketing? There is almost some mesmeric beauty in the shifting concept of these panels. Many years ago, I saw the UK presenter Chris Tarrant talking about a Japanese slot machine that had mo payout, no methodology, just put a coin in, pull the handle, and lights changed, patterns appeared. Same thing here. But, apparently as addictive as crack. Once you are in, you're hooked.

Again, I blame typos on my touchpad..

edit: Japanese Pachinko machines...???

Are Banners Broker getting desperate for new recruits/victims?
On the 19th September Banners Broker sent out about 111 Tweets.
They seem to be sending out about 4 per hour or more.



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