Thread: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam

Mr Sills, a word to the wise....

Alan, I'm sorry, but you sound like a complete tool.

A DESPERATE complete tool at that!

Banners Broker The New Google?

What ever happened to that slogan?

Originally Posted by Della Cate

Mr Sills, a word to the wise....

Alan, I'm sorry, but you sound like a complete tool.

A DESPERATE complete tool at that!

What Della said Alan.

For almost a year you have deleted all the real comments from your videos, you know like the ones about people not being paid. You continue to claim that people have made a ton of money with Banners Broker, but this isn't true either. You have $300,000 in a pretend account, with no access, that is not the same as having it in your bank. As was pointed out, you did not pay tax on this money as required under US law. So there you go, that is what people on your channel don't get to see.

Like this:

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Alan.Sills of alan@alansills.com snows his "team" with a complete lack of transparency. He is making the video not because he 'can't control what he doesn't own", but because he has been scolded for violating the terms of service on U-Tube. Scams https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/2801973?hl=en

Some users create content which attempts to trick others for their own financial gain. Content that deliberately tries to mislead users for financial gain may be removed, and in some cases strikes may be issued to the uploader. Please be wary of claims that seem too good to be true, as they likely are.

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A real business person would hit this straight on and say that people are accusing me Alan.Sills of alan@alansills.com of promoting a Ponzi Scheme called Banners Broker. And then proceed to lay out a case with audited financials that it is a real business. After all he gets to talk to his man crush Chris Smith, so this whole thing could be put to bed with numbers, not positive affirmations. Sadly all we get is the usual bashing the naysayers and dreamstealers, oh and Chris saved a cat in a tree when he was 11, so I am sure he will pay the 100 million he owes affiliates.

Allan Sills Calls Out The 3 Time Loser



*Credit To Dan Dare Over At BB Ponzi Scam FB Page

Does anybody have any info on this woman? I did my best in informing her about the coming BB liquidation but she isn't very bright! She keeps trying to convince me I'm wrong lol. She doesn't know me very well does she!
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BBv3 is on its way, whoopee!

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I have a question: Why should an affiliate need to promote him/herself on websites, and why such an emphasis on introducing BB to new referrals? What exactly IS the product that they are pushing? They're never explicit, are they? (For obvious reasons, they are never explicit in my opinion.) Come on, BB believers, when an affiliate pays to join, what do they get for their money?......As some of us have been asking for months, years even!

Originally Posted by HARRISON

Does anybody have any info on this woman? I did my best in informing her about the coming BB liquidation but she isn't very bright! She keeps trying to convince me I'm wrong lol. She doesn't know me very well does she!
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Oh dear, Harrison - it's sad, isn't it?

It's all the fault of naughty bloggers, of people out to get poor innocent BB which is only trying to help the ordinary person make an honest buck, of negative people, of people who just don't understand the business - take your pick!

As I say, sad.

Originally Posted by HARRISON

Does anybody have any info on this woman? I did my best in informing her about the coming BB liquidation but she isn't very bright!

You would probably have more luck getting my dog to stop licking himself. Looks like she is going broke one bullshit program at a time...

https://www.facebook.com/notes/nyron...05744576106245

https://www.facebook.com/IMGLOBALMASTER?filter=2

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This link is broken, she, or someone who knows her is asking what happened to UP Private Banking. The fact that the word "business" is referenced is rather comical. I think they were the ones that offered the "No More Green" account.

http://pt.slideshare.net/haykalmusan...king-prelaunch

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The uploaded presentation Uprivatebanking prelaunch has been suspended since been verified violation of the Terms of Service and / or Community Guidelines SlideShare.

Originally Posted by HARRISON

Does anybody have any info on this woman? I did my best in informing her about the coming BB liquidation but she isn't very bright! She keeps trying to convince me I'm wrong lol. She doesn't know me very well does she!
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Tara, i only agree with her on one part, you are being a bit emotional about that upcoming liquidation.
It is a standard process to take down company without strike out. Initiated by OCRA (who are with their own entity Targus are the only shareholders of the company).
And that Targus in IoM court is the only party which can disolve the company, What those Brit lawyers did not tell you, is that they only will try to show in court there are other obligations on that entity and intervene in the process, and
most possible outcome of that they will not be even taken seriously and there is no any legal claim from those (foreign in IoM) lawyers with letters of other people who say the entity owes them money.

In any case Targus will show assets of the company which are $0, and court will rule to dissolve, which % of 0 lawyers would claim the right on?

Why OCRA liquidating it? - perhaps because Chris requested that he does not need this company, perhaps Chris refused/unable to pay management fees to OCRA for another year (all those events, abandoning registered address, resignation of all OCRA directors started exactly 1 year after BB bought Bedford LTD) - I more likely to assume that is exactly what happened.

Let's think for example that court will do the impossible and will appoint the brit's firm to be a second liquidator together with Targus (who is the one and only shareholder). Which way will they split $0 ?

On another hand Chris already said that IoM company is nothing, and he is now hiding under another entity in Belize (which also has $0 assets in there and absolutely no official link to him).
None of that will also make a judgement against Chris as a person (he officially has no link to this IoM company, while he can be a secret benefactor who only OCRA knows)

I appreciate all this noise you do about this so called "liquidation", it might help in exposing the scam , but no money will ever be recovered this way,
IoM offshore laws (and all structures and courts) were built specifically for that :)

Stay more optimistic, and you and Tom please try not to mislead people that this liquidation will return them money, and please stop posting other false or unverified information you both were spreading.

If you decided to post some stuff i uncovered, i prefer you do not misrepresent it, if you do not understand what some of that info mean, ask in PM, do not make the stuff up to fill the blanks.

More Smoke....

Nik Sam...
I have no idea what your talking about?
I have never misrepresented what you say or taken any of your posts in any context whatsoever?????

And if me and Tom (and all the others on here who do a cracking job shouting on other forums, blogs etc) weren't a little bit loud and yes, emotional at times, we wouldn't have reached so many people!

I am really sick of the persons like Nyrone.I would normally say Lady or Madam but I can not and will not...she is a slave with fanatic wish to defend indefensible and with that lack of integrity she is not a Lady.This is now to much...positivity?...time not money...ego...garbage...greedy...what the hell is she talking about??? ...all this "moral" speech just to explain that business without money is a quite normal thing - suddenly to expect profits from a business is pure ego,is not positive thinking,those who expect money for service done are greedy ??????..I mean how bloody pathetic is she...she is completely killed by the scam,pushed in an abyss of nothing,she is empty what makes her mind look like damaged.Speaking with such monsters you feel they are not they - as some other ghost has the control and opening their mouths ...so I understand Harrison very well...you can't speak with robot and stay cool - what irritates the most is - there are 2 parties but no communication -like a table with plates but no food in it.. to be emotional about that is very human indeed ! !

Everyone who has been following the recent Liquidation news needs to revisit "YESTERYEAR" in BB-Land.
Chris Smith Explains The Corporate Structure.



More weekly lies and deceit.

So which is it Chris? You are telling your minions to spread more lies that this Liquidation is nothing and that you have not used BBI in over a year.

Which LIES shall you have us believe this week?

He was actually keeping and still keeps his story straight.

BBI in IoM was abandoned (so liquidating it now is very logical expectation)
and according to him
what he said in this vid and says now: there is another BBI registered in Belize with office and employees,
and that is where the true BB is :)


Anyway, only gullible would assume those offshore/shelf companies mean anything.
They just pieces of paper he bought online. Everything is and always been in Canada.

Originally Posted by NikSam

Tara, i only agree with her on one part, you are being a bit emotional about that upcoming liquidation.
It is a standard process to take down company without strike out. Initiated by OCRA (who are with their own entity Targus are the only shareholders of the company).

I appreciate all this noise you do about this so called "liquidation", it might help in exposing the scam , but no money will ever be recovered this way,
IoM offshore laws (and all structures and courts) were built specifically for that :)

Stay more optimistic, and you and Tom please try not to mislead people that this liquidation will return them money, and please stop posting other false or unverified information you both were spreading.

If you decided to post some stuff i uncovered, i prefer you do not misrepresent it, if you do not understand what some of that info mean, ask in PM, do not make the stuff up to fill the blanks.

Maybe I missed it but I never saw where Tara said affiliates would recover any money lost when BBI IoM is liquidated. he encouraged affiliates to file claims against BBI and hopefully get something back but that is not the same as stating they will recoup any losses. It appears you are reading something into his posts that is not there.

Originally Posted by NikSam

He was actually keeping and still keeps his story straight.

BBI in IoM was abandoned (so liquidating it now is very logical expectation)
and according to him
what he said in this vid and says now: there is another BBI registered in Belize with office and employees,
and that is where the true BB is :)


Anyway, only gullible would assume those offshore/shelf companies mean anything.
They just pieces of paper he bought online. Everything is and always been in Canada.

When you say everything is in Canada, what exactly, other than Chris living here, is in Canada? Where are the BBI bank accounts? Those I can guarantee you are not in Canada.

If someone was tracking an evolution of BB "contact us" page they would probably noticed,

that in beginning of this year BB removed all the addresses and kept only this:

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As You can see, they list IoM address as "Registered Address"
and incomplete PO BOX address in Belize as "Head Office"

Which sounds to me as a giveaway that BBI was never registered in Belize, why would they still keep IoM on it ?

Ok so let take a look how that "contact us" page changed this month all of the sudden:

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Opps, IoM address is gone completely and we stuck with undeliverable address in Belize :)

Originally Posted by Ken Roklin

When you say everything is in Canada, what exactly, other than Chris living here, is in Canada? Where are the BBI bank accounts? Those I can guarantee you are not in Canada.

Raj, Chris, Terry, Couple designers and developers who worked on the site and i tracked down before - StellarPoint - the real BB which you seem to deny a fact- whole operation is based in Canada
- some indian guys working on it online -
- some shils and collaborators live in other parts like Kul, Ian, etc..

You will never see your money, honestly.
No, money would not be in Canada, at least not all (just pocket change for whores), even if they there, they stopped being yours after you surrendered it to scammers.

BBI never had bank accounts, do you think they are idiots ?
That was a nameplate company registration.
The bank accounts are in some other/unknown to us entities names, in unknown to us jurisdictions.

Originally Posted by NikSam

Raj, Chris, Terry, Couple designers and developers who worked on the site and i tracked down before - StellarPoint - the real BB which you seem to deny a fact- whole operation is based in Canada
- some indian guys working on it online -
- some shils and collaborators live in other parts like Kul, Ian, etc..

You will never see your money, honestly.
No, money would not be in Canada, at least not all (just pocket change for whores), even if they there, they stopped being yours after you surrendered it to scammers.

BBI never had bank accounts, do you think they are idiots ?

Somebody had bank accounts somewhere in order to transfer money to STP & Payza. Are you positive BBI didn't have a bank account offshore somewhere?

Originally Posted by Ken Roklin

Somebody had bank accounts somewhere in order to transfer money to STP & Payza. Are you positive BBI didn't have a bank account offshore somewhere?

Of course they did, but who said it would be accounts in BBI name, maybe shell accounts (empty most of the time only filled when needed), or maybe they used Technocash accounts, all that information can only be unwrapped by Canadian authorities going to Payza and STP.
Maybe US authorities can do the same. You should alwys keep in mind that Raj is specialist in setting up offshore webs, it is not his first scam.
Unwrapping where money where coming from on debit cards, would require going to Belize's Choice Bank, that is who transferred the balances, that maybe only US can do, after an indictment to demonstrate a criminal nature to Belize court so bank will surrender info.

Anyone who deposited by wiretransfer ?
which bank and account money were going to ?
Credit card deposits would also give some links.

Analyzing all that info, subpoenas on financial institutions to surrender info how money were moved in connection to those will give a better picture where all (or some) of that hidden.
But you already know there is only one country which can go that far and do all of that.

Also sometimes scammers will sing as a cannery to get a smaller jail sentence, will give up some or maybe all hideouts.
Also taking a nature of BB being a Ponzi , it is possible there is not that much really left.

Here is some very good FYI info to read.
http://www.drpartners.com/downloads/DRbrochure.pdf

I would also ask anyone who would question the Liquidation process to call this firm themselves.

Originally Posted by NikSam

Of course they did, but who said it would be accounts in BBI name, maybe shell accounts (empty most of the time only filled when needed), or maybe they used Technocash accounts, all that information can only be unwrapped by Canadian authorities going to Payza and STP.
Maybe US authorities can do the same. You should alwys keep in mind that Raj is specialist in setting up offshore webs, it is not his first scam.
Unwrapping where money where coming from on debit cards, would require going to Belize's Choice Bank, that is who transferred the balances, that maybe only US can do, after an indictment to demonstrate a criminal nature to Belize court so bank will surrender info.

Anyone who deposited by wiretransfer ?
which bank and account money were going to ?
Credit card deposits would also give some links.

Analyzing all that info, subpoenas on financial institutions to surrender info how money were moved in connection to those will give a better picture where all (or some) of that hidden.
But you already know there is only one country which can go that far and do all of that.

Also sometimes scammers will sing as a cannery to get a smaller jail sentence, will give up some or maybe all hideouts.
Also taking a nature of BB being a Ponzi , it is possible there is not that much really left.

Like you said Chris isn't stupid, so if the Bank account is not in BBI's name what name would it be under and who has signing authority? It's certainly not in Raj's name or he would have cleaned it out for good when they parted ways (not on the best of terms I may add). If Chris really isn't stupid as you state, would he give sole signing authority for the Bank account to anyone other than himself? As soon as he does that he loses control of the company. Canadians have no more authority to force a foreign bank to divulge ownership of the bank account than any other country. Canada can't go after Payza as it is a UK corporation. They could subpoena STP for their info if ordered by a court.

Raj isn't the specialist you make him out to be. In the previous scam he was involved with, ICF, he was merely a marketer and had very little to do with operations. I know him well and he isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer. With ICF he learned more about how not to run a Ponzi than how to run a Ponzi. He also learned that to operate a Ponzi you don't do anything in your own country that is not compliant with their laws, hence the formation of Stellar Point. BBI was his first Ponzi where he was one of the main principals in the operation of the scam.

I am also pretty sure that Chris has hidden any money he has and no liquidation court proceedings will uncover a bank account with any money in it.

Originally Posted by Ken Roklin

Like you said Chris isn't stupid, so if the Bank account is not in BBI's name what name would it be under and who has signing authority? It's certainly not in Raj's name or he would have cleaned it out for good when they parted ways (not on the best of terms I may add). If Chris really isn't stupid as you state, would he give sole signing authority for the Bank account to anyone other than himself? As soon as he does that he loses control of the company.

We can only speculate, who did which part and who holds the keys, and who is the boss Chris or Raj, and what love story there is between those 2,
i was merely explaining how the standard offshore structures setup to get away with crime.

Originally Posted by Ken Roklin

Canadians have no more authority to force a foreign bank to divulge ownership of the bank account than any other country. Canada can't go after Payza as it is a UK corporation. They could subpoena STP for their info if ordered by a court.

Here is where you wrong. Payza is not a UK company. Both are canadian companies.
in case of Payza, you should not really believe what they tell you :) , yes Patel brothers registered an entity in UK with a puppet nominated director, there are no normal offices in UK, but it just to keep things legal and separate in europe. Their license and registration in UK is only good to serve UK residents, and can not be used for foreign customers.
Payza is and always was based in Montreal, by Patel scammer-brothers.

Payza and STP are registered with canadian FinTRAC as MSB, that what makes them legal in canada,
Payza got FinTRAC MSB registration for "PAYZA.COM" under canadian entity "MAZARINE COMMERCE INC"
(http://www10.fintrac-canafe.gc.ca/ms...Details/124454)
aka "9244-4421 QUEBEC INC." (QUEBEC company number: 1167328377) which is also run by Ferhan Patel. (US Fincen MSB license they also got on the same Quebec company, : http://www.fincen.gov/financial_inst...tml?ID=5948445)
MSB license comes with responsibilities to work with investigations, and Canada is the best place to force Payza,STP to cooperate.

And Canada as well as US can even show their face in offshore courts to demonstrate a criminal nature of investigation so court would force a bank to give out info.
(Research how US tracked LR,PS, Zeek bank accounts and froze them across the world)

Originally Posted by Ken Roklin

Raj isn't the specialist you make him out to be. In the previous scam he was involved with, ICF, he was merely a marketer and had very little to do with operations. I know him well and he isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer. With ICF he learned more about how not to run a Ponzi than how to run a Ponzi. ...

Smoke and mirrors buddy, most scam masterminds do not come up front or make it obvious they are behind. He seemed not important in ICF ? really ?
Ok maybe to you. He as in old good times seems not that important now in BB to some - his mission is accomplished i guess.

This Weeks SCAMINAR:


(*) Friday Q&A Webinar - 2/21/14

Ron Anderson speaking:

Welcome to the call. Lots of great things to talk about today. As you can see we are going to be winding down the BannersMobile opt-in period. This will be your last opportunity to opt-in. Opting in means you keep your current sponsor and your current team. If you want until the opt-in has closed, you will need to sign up under someone else. Once opt-in closes we will be doing the geneaology compression in BannersMobile.

Chris will be handling the annoucements of the closing opt-in date and blackout date.

Chris Smith speaking:

Good day everyone. We are sorry about the mixup of the gotomeeting time. We do have a full house here, so let's get rolling.

The timeline that we've decided upon is.. we now have a go-Live date of the 18th of March for BB v3. It will be somewhere around midday on the 18th. We will post the details. We need at least a week for the blackout, so the blackout will begin end of day on Friday, March the 7th. We will then open back up and go LIVE on Tuesday, March the 18th. It's a little longer than a week, but we are including the weekend, as requested by the programmers. Our test run took a while, but the good news is that the test was successful. All the migration scripts are working as intended, so we are looking forward to the blackout.

Another reason that we added time before the blackout is that we want to have everything ready, including sales tools, for you to be able to run the business. We want to have the webinars already set up and in place for training and presentation, in several languages. We will have capture pages, email templates, testimonial videos and everything to be prepared for the new BB. We also wanted to increase the items for incentive traffic generation. Alot of this will have to do with social media... facebook, twitter, pinterest, etcetera. As well as viewing certain links that we send you to. These will be part of the tasks that you will be asked to do to create traffic.

If you are not able to be a part of the advertising channel, then you may not want to be a part of the new BB. BB is not a passive investment, so there will be things to accomplish and you will be rewarded handsomely for that.

We will be coming out with a new BB3 guide for the business. We will have a new BB PowerPoint presentation for live training, etcetera. We will be bringing back our LIVE events around the world for trainers to present BB.

We had a server outage last Sunday night to Monday morning. What caused this was the last engine run. This was a catastrophe for the hardware, however we did not lose any data. we need to be spending time on BB 3.0. We are not sending out any advertising into the networks, so there is no income on the panels. We have stopped the monthly subscriptions to make it fair. This has also stopped the Traffic Packs. So there is really no activity for you to do in the system until the launch of V3.

We will have the Tesla draw during the blackout. We will also have webinars during the blackout. There will be lots of activity going on.

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Questions:

What can we view in v3 when it opens? There will be a summary page to look at and then continue on from there to pay the $10.

Payouts? We will do one more Payza payout before we go live. We already had an STP payout last week. In v3 the queue will be automated, so it will be much easier and smooth. There will be a v3 eWallet queue and then a different queue for the Legacy eWallet. The legacy queue will be based on the date of your earliest reversed withdrawal, as well as how much you have earned so far in BB.

I am excited about version 3 going live. I know it's been a long haul. Thank you very much for your patience. Do know that there are real people behind Bannersbroker. We have had ups and downs, but we have a solid team working to get everything ready to go. To all the leaders, support team and affiliates worldwide who are with us day by day, we are still here and we are looking to the future. Have a great weekend.

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