Thread: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam

I think we all need a little comic relief.

If you have not already seen this little Gem produced by non other than Dan Dare over at BB FB Ponzi Scam.

Please pass this one around. Chris Smith will love it when it gets to him!



2 Thumbs Up Dan!



Chris... I think you should FREEZE Dan's account for this!
How Dare He!

Ok... It looks like new youtube accounts are popping up with "RECYCLED TESTIMONIALS" on youtube.

Also... This BB Botware videos has resurfaced. (Just Published)

Anyone know if this is real or is this another lame attempt for more excuses?



More copies.. Different accounts:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GW71TLIEtIs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlZn79KFBc8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwWVHSAYc0w

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMOomITYiFw



I smell a RAT

Originally Posted by scamassassin007

Anyone know if this is real or is this another lame attempt for more excuses?

Would you download a program and install it on YOUR computer from some random self confessed group of hackers whose name you found on YouTube with the aim of cheating a HYIP ponzi fraud ??

Originally Posted by littleroundman

Would you download a program and install it on YOUR computer from some random self confessed group of hackers whose name you found on YouTube with the aim of cheating a HYIP ponzi fraud ??

NO! I don't think any of us would. My point is.. Are they trying to rehash an excuse?

Originally Posted by scamassassin007

My point is.. Are they trying to rehash an excuse?

I'd be very surprised if it was anything more then the usual low life creatures who tend to piggyback on the "next-big-thing" HYIP ponzis.

There's always at least half a dozen posters on the usual suspect HYIP ponzi forums who claim to be able to get access to members' funds, a couple of lawyers no one has ever heard of claiming to be starting a class action, a few hackers and spammers and a squillion others claiming to have a sure way to make up for members losses.

All for a "small fee" of course.

Happens every time

Originally Posted by littleroundman

I'd be very surprised if it was anything more then the usual low life creatures who tend to piggyback on the "next-big-thing" HYIP ponzis.

There's always at least half a dozen posters on the usual suspect HYIP ponzi forums who claim to be able to get access to members' funds, a couple of lawyers no one has ever heard of claiming to be starting a class action, a few hackers and spammers and a squillion others claiming to have a sure way to make up for members losses.

All for a "small fee" of course.

Happens every time

Indeed if somebody is gullible enough to have been scammed once they are an ideal target.


On a side not by the way, is everybody aware that the word gullible is due to be removed from the Oxford English dictionary next year?

Originally Posted by Joe_Shmoe

Indeed if somebody is gullible enough to have been scammed once they are an ideal target.


On a side not by the way, is everybody aware that the word gullible is due to be removed from the Oxford English dictionary next year?

to be replaced with 'affiliate'?

BREAKING NEWS:

We have been looking into the legitimacy of this for a few hours now before posting.

There is a hearing in the Isle of Man, 24th February to put Banners Broker International into liquidation.
Dan Dare Has spoken by phone to the registered insolvency company involved and this is 100% genuine.

Here is a document involved:
Here is the Letter to Liquidator that everyone should download, print and post, or fill in and email. The contact details are inside.



Actual Copy: http://www25.zippyshare.com/v/25183853/file.html

FYI: DR&P also does forensic accounting

Stay Tuned.

More to follow up on.

The Regular Posters on here can get with me in private for questions.

Why do you think it is a big deal, so nobody from BB side will show, court will rule in plaintiff favor.
so do you think there are any money in IOM Banks in BBI name ? :)

Hell, IOM can even strike BBI off the register, will it make anyone feel better ?

after all it is just $100 company registration bought online, big loss to BB ? :)


You really do not understand the purpose of offshore corporations which is exactly to get away with crime and pay only cheap price of company registration.


Canada and US are your only hopes to put the end to these scammers, the rest as IOM, Belize infrastructures were setup exactly for crimes and tax avoidance.

Originally Posted by NikSam

Why do you think it is a big deal, so nobody from BB side will show, court will rule in plaintiff favor.
so do you think there are any money in IOM Banks in BBI name ? :)

Hell, IOM can even strike BBI off the register, will it make anyone feel better ?

after all it is just $100 company registration bought online, big loss to BB ? :)


You really do not understand the purpose of offshore corporations which is exactly to get away with crime and pay only cheap price of company registration.


Canada and US are your only hopes to put the end to these scammers, the rest as IOM, Belize infrastructures were setup exactly for crimes and tax avoidance.

I am just reporting and confirming action that was taken. I am not an attorney. I think the goal is to FREEZE any assets.
I understand the complexity of offshore accounts.
These are Forensic Attorneys.

They must know what they are doing.

I agree that the USA and Canada should be involved. Until then, this might lead to action.

Originally Posted by stevethomas

The point is, I can vouch for Jo not just because she's a mate but because she genuinely isn't and has never been out to scam ANYBODY.

If I may make a humble suggestion. Have her get out of the one recruits - another recruits - another recruits another and considering that a "business". She says in her video she did not know what a Pozni scheme was when she first came on line, it is apparent still does not know. Ditto for pyramid schemes. If she is not able to discern scams AHEAD of time, she is not qualified to be promoting herself as some business guru.

The reason things like Rippln and Banners Broker get called scams, is they are scams. Perhaps the question she should have been asking is why was this so obvious from the get go to a few "naysayers".

I buy that anyone can get roped into one or two bad deals, but 5, and all recruiting based, come on.

I can't wait for David Rubin & Partners to find out there is no business to turnaround, salvage or rescue with BB. They are going to be mighty ticked that they were led to believe that BB was a real business, not a Ponzi.

The only good thing that will come of this it will once-and-for-all prove that BB is a Ponzi. There is no business called BB and it has been all lies and smoke and mirrors since day one, which is what all of us have been saying all along. Maybe this will finally wake people up to this fact, but sadly there will still be some who refuse to believe it.

Originally Posted by EagleOne

I can't wait for David Rubin & Partners to find out there is no business to turnaround, salvage or rescue with BB. They are going to be mighty ticked that they were led to believe that BB was a real business, not a Ponzi.

The only good thing that will come of this it will once-and-for-all prove that BB is a Ponzi. There is no business called BB and it has been all lies and smoke and mirrors since day one, which is what all of us have been saying all along. Maybe this will finally wake people up to this fact, but sadly there will still be some who refuse to believe it.

Agreed, and I might add, this might give the authorities a little push.
I would hope that they have done their homework and hopefully have some sort of strategy.

Folks, I am currently emailing someone in a position of power in Canada. They are asking me for details of individuals who have submitted fraud reports to any police forces in their countries. If you are able to help me gather info this would be brill. All I need to know is your full name, the agency the fraud has been reported to and the crime reference number. I will pass this info on to the agency I am speaking with in Canada and hopefully this will spur them to take action.

My email is bannersbrokermail@gmail.com .

For those who still want to report but have not done so:

IC3: Internet Crime Complaint Center (IC3) | Home
OSC: OSC | Investors - Questions & Complaints
Canadian AntiFraud Center: Canadian Anti-Fraud Centre - How To Report Fraud
Competition Bureau of Canada: Complaint Form - Competition Bureau

If you are also an US resident, you are under protection of the following agencies, complain there too:
US SEC: https://denebleo.sec.gov/TCRExternal/disclaimer.xhtml
US FTC: https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov/


PS: Please spread these links

Here is a very nice article on the Isle Of Man for those not in the region:

BBC News - Isle of Man profile - Overview

Originally Posted by scamassassin007

Agreed, and I might add, this might give the authorities a little push.
I would hope that they have done their homework and hopefully have some sort of strategy.

I am not buying it for a minute that they have been able to do any due diligence on BB other than what they have been told by their clients BB is a real business to be rescued and turned around. If they had done their own outside due diligence, they would have never undertaken this venture. It is why I believe they were only told what their clients told them who do believe that BB is a real business. They are going to get paid no matter what happens, but the people who believed BB is real are in for a very rude surprise.

Either way it is going to be interesting to see just what transpires from this exercise.

Originally Posted by EagleOne

I am not buying it for a minute that they have been able to do any due diligence on BB other than what they have been told by their clients BB is a real business to be rescued and turned around. If they had done their own outside due diligence, they would have never undertaken this venture. It is why I believe they were only told what their clients told them who do believe that BB is a real business. They are going to get paid no matter what happens, but the people who believed BB is real are in for a very rude surprise.

Either way it is going to be interesting to see just what transpires from this exercise.

Agree, maybe these attorneys will learn a new lesson for them, how many online ponzis did they deal with and tried to nail in offshores ?
BB gang does not look dumb, and would never make a mistake of doing banking in same offshore jurisdiction where they incorporated,
banks are in another offshores, which banks and which jurisdictions ? only few from BB know. good luck unwrapping the web, when even worldwide Secret services managed to do it only on couple occasions.

Will a plaintiff be stuck with paying the expenses for attorney's hours ?


Also great to see what will come out of it, hell , any act against BB will be a plus, just this will turn out not as the plaintiff expects.

Who the hell is Targus Investments Limited ?
which jurisdiction that company is from ? not from IOM or UK for sure.


PS: Oh i see, Seychelles.

Now it is gonna be intersting, scammers suing scammers :)

Targus Investments Limited Company Report

FYI:

Court ruling could herald universal insolvency approach

THIS WEEK, the Supreme Court will hear arguments on whether foreign court rulings in insolvency matters can be enforced in England and Wales in a case that could herald a move towards a universal approach to cross-border insolvency cases. The first case involves US bankruptcy judgments seeking recovery of preferential payments to debtors in England from a US Ponzi scheme in which they were complicit. Further reading Supreme Court shines a light on cross-border insolvency Insolvency's 'disciplined' future will benefit stakeholders The proceedings were brought in the US Bankruptcy Court in New York by English receivers David Rubin & Partners, who placed the Ponzi scheme into Chapter 11 in 2005.

The Supreme Court will also rule on whether the liquidator of insolvent Australian reinsurance company New Cap Re can enforce in England against Lloyds Syndicates an insolvency judgment obtained in an Australian Court for the clawback of money paid preferentially to the syndicates. NewCap Re and Rubin won in the court of Appeal in separate cases, the NewCap success was based on the Rubin judgment. The Supreme Court appeals are being heard together. If the Supreme Court upholds Rubin's victory, it will allow foreign court rulings in core insolvency matters to be enforced in England and Wales as a matter of common law. John Verrill, insolvency and financial restructuring partner in the London office of Chadbourne & Parke, who is acting for David Rubin & Partners, said: "International insolvency practitioners have long held the conviction that there should in practice be one pool of assets in which all creditors share equally, regardless of country or continent of residence. "It is vitally important in cases such as Lehman and Madoff that courts and practitioners, as far as possible put aside their jurisdictional differences and work together in recovering as much as possible for victims of such financial catastrophes. "Whether English law remains in a state of arrested development or embraces a principle of assistance suited to the transaction of business in the electronic age is a matter of intense global interest which the Justices have to decide in this case"

SOURCE:

Court ruling could herald universal insolvency approach - 23 May 2012 - Accountancy Age


Maybe we should give them a chance?

They seem to be experts in their field with offshore Ponzi experience.

Shouldn't BB be worried?

What is the worst thing to happen? BB be outed as a Ponzi?


Here is all I could find on Targus:
https://www.avoxdata.com/portal/enti...FFB0B/30233257

Of course, only "FOR", but just do not hope for the great outcome of it, also do not forget to apply more pressure on Canadian lazy agencies - ball is only in their court

i See also that

Targus was appointed as a liquidator of some other IOM company in 2004, which is strange for me to understand how courts in those criminal jurisdictions operate.
IOM Court appoints an anonymous company from another offshore as a liquidator ? WTF ?

can not see any record of Targus actually liquidating and distributing any seized property to creditors.

Companies registry public view

@ NikSam,

No matter how we look at it.

We need more BB Affiliates to come forward.

I think today was big news.

The authorities in Canada, The USA, and the UK have been very slow to act.

People need to do more than just Bitch about BB.

They need to take action.

BB's Days Are Numbered!

Originally Posted by stevethomas

Hi folks I just signed up on here good afternoon to you all and thanks for providing some great evidence, debates and irreverent entertainment about these skunks

Just had to pipe up here though@Della - Jo Barrett is certainly NOT behind or involved behind the scenes with any of these programs, she was involved purely as an affiliate same as me but she has been ripped off for thousands and I'm actually trying to help her as well as myself get our initial money back that we paid via debit cards. She is a friend of mine too and I wouldn't vouch for her if I didn't know her.

She WAS an advocate of BB at one time simply because like a lot of us, she didn't know any better at the time and truly believed BB were genuine. She's only doing Arbonne now which is an offline marketing company as she was sick of being burned and scammed online by the programs she was in.

So just wanted to point that out :)

I can't speak for the rest of the people on that list as I don't know them.......

Thanking us for the thread that is now over 10,000 likes is well, nice. Really it's an understatement from where I sit. November 2012 was a moment in time when I became 'aware' of the name Banners Broker. One of their big guns tried to encourage me, rather dishonestly, about the riches I could make with a recommended investment of the maximum to purchase my panels and get myself earning. I was suspicious and did a couple of hours of due diligence, my hard earned money is important to me, a very swift check directed me to Realscam and Finchsells. It wasn't difficult nor that hard to find, what it did do is show me a new world of ponzi's floating around with unhappy conclusions. Many with on-line testimonials had ' proof' that it worked, a very little digging showed history, previous form, serial jumping from scheme to scheme. Let me reiterate, this was November '12. What I learned was from the hard work and relentless searching by members here, many with no vested interest in BB.

Forgive me of feeling weary in your defense of Jo. For she had access to the very same info that I found, due diligence is everyone's friend. That said, Jo went further, video testimonials, ( July 2013!) downlines, unwavering belief that Chris would come through, eventually, support and that real offender to me, asking for and the taking money from others on that tissue of beliefs.

I couldn't be desperate enough to join because luckily, I'm neither computer illiterate nor desperately looking for a financial solution as many were/are. Many innocents lost money, never to be recovered, life changing to them.

Apologies if this offends, but anyone who engaged in the promoting of BB, does not deserve the sanctuary of a good friend who knows them personally until you know the circumstances of every ' John or Jane' she lured for it is them who deserve all the support one can offer, in our case , the BB thread. It's a case of ce la vie to the failure of BB , according to BB for them and must be the same for her and all the flack that may follow her.

Lie with dogs springs to mind. From where I sit, Jo might have gained a little support had she come here herself and explained herself, for at her level there is much insight she could have offered in the interests of credibility. One opportunity she may have missed.

Steve, your heart may be in the right place, who is to know with the anonymity of the internet, but it's in no different a place to those buying the dream that became the nightmare.

Originally Posted by scamassassin007

@ NikSam,

No matter how we look at it.

We need more BB Affiliates to come forward.

I think today was big news.

The authorities in Canada, The USA, and the UK have been very slow to act.

People need to do more than just Bitch about BB.

They need to take action.

BB's Days Are Numbered!

The Canadian authorities are very aware, I know that for a fact. BB's days have been numbered for too many days now. It really is time now for the alleged naysayers, scammed and pesky affiliates to be officially vindicated, there is no excuse for any inaction, this circus needs to be stopped! I truly don;t know what more can be officially done to bring this to a speedy conclusion?

Originally Posted by Brenda

The Canadian authorities are very aware, I know that for a fact. BB's days have been numbered for too many days now. It really is time now for the alleged naysayers, scammed and pesky affiliates to be officially vindicated, there is no excuse for any inaction, this circus needs to be stopped! I truly don;t know what more can be officially done to bring this to a speedy conclusion?

Yea, who can arrange pitchforks , torches and boom-sticks in Ontario ? :)

When governments unable, people take matters in their own hands.


How about just few peaceful protests across Canadian embassies ,

i do not see many victims coming forward, where they all hiding ?
Who complained? 5 people worldwide ?

If there were at least 1000 complaints, even incompetent canadians will get of their asses and start doing their job.