Thread: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam

Originally Posted by MMG

And ... to the so called "Leaders" in the TBB forum, how do you live with yourselves?
Are you on a regular payment agreement with Chris? Sure appears that way.

Most people STILL don't know how a HYIP ponzi fraud works

Many / most of the main pimps aka "leaders" as Banners Broker calls them ARE on a special payment agreement

THEIR payments are based on bringing in as many of their downline lists as is possible.

At best, they have spent a few dollars to "buy" their membership and make it look legit.

When you see a leaders' cheque, such as those Simon Stepsys is so fond of flaunting, little or none of the amount is from "earnings" or "panels"

Virtually ALL of it is made up from recruitment or a percentage of the money brought in by the recruits who sign up under him in a "downline"

All of the other victims working their little a**** off buying panels and coming up with new ways to maximize their earnings in an effort to make the sort of money the "leaders" show off are wasting their time.

In fact, if you look closely at recent "next big thing" HYIP ponzis, you'll soon realize there was nothing particularly special or different about ASD, Zeek Rewards, CEP or Profitable Sunrise OR their founders.

There success is based on whether or not the HYIP ponzi "industry" insiders and the usual suspect forum owners get behind the scam-du-jour, along with their lists

Today Simon Stepsys emails an alert to several thousand of his "downline" to go out and promote the h*** out of a new program and tomorrow it is all over the internet.

Throw in a handful more serial promoters, Talkgold and MMG and their downlines and the next month it's the "next-big-thing"

All Chris Smith has had to do is email half a dozen "insiders" and offer them a higher recruitment rate than normal and BINGO !- Banners Broker in a nutshell

Chris Smith is no genius, Banners Broker is no different than a squillion HYIPs before it

I see Raj Dixit & David Hooker's (World Class International Speaker) latest scam has been moved to the closed, inactive, and offline programs section of MMG at the request of thread starter obriq7

Goodness that was fast.

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Originally Posted by Joe_Shmoe

I see Raj Dixit & David Hooker's (World Class International Speaker) latest scam has been moved to the closed, inactive, and offline programs section of MMG at the request of thread starter obriq7

Goodness that was fast.

Something serious has happened.

The thread starter who requested it be moved, obriq7s' RevStarGlobal page is returning:

TheInternet Marketing: RevStar Global Review page on Blogger.com is showing:

Welcome To The Neighborhood!

Originally Posted by scamassassin007

Welcome To The Neighborhood!

Rent must be cheap there.

Originally Posted by Joe_Shmoe

Rent must be cheap there.

lol... Boxes are only centimeters apart.

I wonder if Raj, Hooker, And Smith still share the same room key as well.. lol

Rev star has the same Canada Address as Stellar Point. IP and Host as well.

They think people won't notice?

What Ever Happened To The Good Ole Fashioned Ponzi's Where They Thought Of Everything! lol

Originally Posted by scamassassin007

lol... Boxes are only centimeters apart.

I wonder if Raj, Hooker, And Smith still share the same room key as well.. lol

Rev star has the same Canada Address as Stellar Point. IP and Host as well.

They think people won't notice?

What Ever Happened To The Good Ole Fashioned Ponzi's Where They Thought Of Everything! lol

Revstar has the same address as SP because Raj owns the building and is co-owner of Revstar.

Revstar has no money, none of the programs within Revstar are generating any income. Revstar also has no employees except for an admin person. Expect Raj to close this one down soon just like SP has been closed.

Nice Try BB



This Was Posted On The BB FB Ponzi Scam Page.


Funny how this new BB "TRUTH" Chat Forum is right down the road from the where Chris Smith's Email was sent to James Clark.

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Coincidence? Or Are They Looking For Ip Addresses?

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How Much Do You Want To Bet That They Will Check For IP's For Any Negative Comments?

Originally Posted by Della Cate

Remember our old friend Nigel Albright? Very involved, as I understand it, in pushing BB down in the West Country.

I suspect that he may be moving onto other things, although he does "like" Banners Mobile, Banners Broker and World E Wallet (so he's still a fan of the Bb brand I can surmise). But suddenly, in the last 8 weeks or so, he has got new "friends" on Facebook. These include:

Soozi Scoones
Martin Codack
Iain Sherriff
Ian Parker
Siobhan Parker
Andrew James
Kathy Kilbey (actually a friend for some time)
Joanne Barrett Arbonne

- to name but a few. I have seen those above linked to many online ventures, rather a case of "round up the usual suspects!".

I will be interested to see if he pops up pimping something else sometime soon.

Hi folks I just signed up on here good afternoon to you all and thanks for providing some great evidence, debates and irreverent entertainment about these skunks

Just had to pipe up here though@Della - Jo Barrett is certainly NOT behind or involved behind the scenes with any of these programs, she was involved purely as an affiliate same as me but she has been ripped off for thousands and I'm actually trying to help her as well as myself get our initial money back that we paid via debit cards. She is a friend of mine too and I wouldn't vouch for her if I didn't know her.

She WAS an advocate of BB at one time simply because like a lot of us, she didn't know any better at the time and truly believed BB were genuine. She's only doing Arbonne now which is an offline marketing company as she was sick of being burned and scammed online by the programs she was in.

So just wanted to point that out :)

I can't speak for the rest of the people on that list as I don't know them.......

Originally Posted by stevethomas

Hi folks I just signed up on here good afternoon to you all and thanks for providing some great evidence, debates and irreverent entertainment about these skunks

Just had to pipe up here though@Della - Jo Barrett is certainly NOT behind or involved behind the scenes with any of these programs, she was involved purely as an affiliate same as me but she has been ripped off for thousands and I'm actually trying to help her as well as myself get our initial money back that we paid via debit cards. She is a friend of mine too and I wouldn't vouch for her if I didn't know her.

She WAS an advocate of BB at one time simply because like a lot of us, she didn't know any better at the time and truly believed BB were genuine. She's only doing Arbonne now which is an offline marketing company as she was sick of being burned and scammed online by the programs she was in.

So just wanted to point that out :)

I can't speak for the rest of the people on that list as I don't know them.......

I did not know Della. I have heard of her.
It is noble for you to speak up for her. However,

There is more to this than just scamming. For those individuals that kept the lies going even when people tried to speak up, They called then names and booted people from the BB skype rooms and forums, They made the nay sayers speak up, and forced everyone to be positive even if it was not true. People would bring their friends to the forums and chat, and be overwhelmed with positive information while leaving out the details like not being paid for months, or site issues and the weekly lies. If you were new, you not only had a little pressure from the person who invited you, but al is happy in BB land and everyone's back office is overflowing with money. I have read many of these chats that have been posted and I am disgusted. Yes, room rules should be in place, However not to the extent of maintaining lies and deceit.

As far as I am concerned, people have the right to join whatever they want so long as they do not hurt or scam others. My Beef is that people were told not to question and do not believe the big bad bloggers. Many of the "SHEEP" are just as guilty as the big scammers.

If more questions would have been raised, if the BB Leaders were help accountable, If there was real transparency, Perhaps... (doubtful)... BB could have been a real company with a real product. Chris can blame the affiliates all he wants but a few people got the lions share of the profits. BB has even spawned new scams.

Not every program is a scam. But when we see red flags, we have the right to question and point out issues. I think the anger with BB results from the heavy handedness regarding how many affiliates were treated and blatant fraud. Having a positive mental attitude is one thing. Running a Nazi Ponzi Scheme is another.

My hope is that the habitual scammers and liars, including the sheep that aided in this effort are long remembered for future programs. Part of being a "TEAM LEADER" is looking out for your people... Not the thickness of your wallet real leaders that may have had good intentions should have spoken up long ago and not try to jump in the life boats from the BB Scam ship that is sinking.

I am in no position to Judge Della. However, Those who might have been abused or scammed might be the ones who should judge. Either, if she now knows better, let her come her and speak out against BB and the scammers. Let her go on record that Chris Smith and his minions are all thieves. I would have at least a little more respect for someone that would humble themselves and show the errors of her ways if that was the case. Let her help future potential victims from being scammed by speaking out.

In My Opinion...

FYI:

Who is this cross-pitching BBers ????



Also posted here: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Imark...33813470109236


I am just curious if any innocent victims would like to comment?

Originally Posted by scamassassin007

I did not know Della. I have heard of her.
It is noble for you to speak up for her. However,

There is more to this than just scamming. For those individuals that kept the lies going even when people tried to speak up, They called then names and booted people from the BB skype rooms and forums, They made the nay sayers speak up, and forced everyone to be positive even if it was not true. People would bring their friends to the forums and chat, and be overwhelmed with positive information while leaving out the details like not being paid for months, or site issues and the weekly lies. If you were new, you not only had a little pressure from the person who invited you, but al is happy in BB land and everyone's back office is overflowing with money. I have read many of these chats that have been posted and I am disgusted. Yes, room rules should be in place, However not to the extent of maintaining lies and deceit.

As far as I am concerned, people have the right to join whatever they want so long as they do not hurt or scam others. My Beef is that people were told not to question and do not believe the big bad bloggers. Many of the "SHEEP" are just as guilty as the big scammers.

If more questions would have been raised, if the BB Leaders were help accountable, If there was real transparency, Perhaps... (doubtful)... BB could have been a real company with a real product. Chris can blame the affiliates all he wants but a few people got the lions share of the profits. BB has even spawned new scams.

Not every program is a scam. But when we see red flags, we have the right to question and point out issues. I think the anger with BB results from the heavy handedness regarding how many affiliates were treated and blatant fraud. Having a positive mental attitude is one thing. Running a Nazi Ponzi Scheme is another.

My hope is that the habitual scammers and liars, including the sheep that aided in this effort are long remembered for future programs. Part of being a "TEAM LEADER" is looking out for your people... Not the thickness of your wallet real leaders that may have had good intentions should have spoken up long ago and not try to jump in the life boats from the BB Scam ship that is sinking.

I am in no position to Judge Della. However, Those who might have been abused or scammed might be the ones who should judge. Either, if she now knows better, let her come her and speak out against BB and the scammers. Let her go on record that Chris Smith and his minions are all thieves. I would have at least a little more respect for someone that would humble themselves and show the errors of her ways if that was the case. Let her help future potential victims from being scammed by speaking out.

In My Opinion...

Hi there - I wasn't talking about Della (who was the person who made the post that I quoted from), I was referring to my friend Jo Barrett who has nothing to do with those programs other than being yet another affiliate who got completely mugged off

She was actually telling me the other day funnily enough about the BB Skype rooms and how nasty they are getting. I bet the only nastiness is coming from other BB sheeple who are still too starstruck and ignorant to realise they have been and are continually being lied to and then some

(Good points you mentioned though btw)

Originally Posted by scamassassin007

FYI:

Who is this cross-pitching BBers ????



Also posted here: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Imark...33813470109236


I am just curious if any innocent victims would like to comment?

Jo made that video back in the summer of last year when she was still pro BB and didn't realise what she does now. As for IML, I also mentioned (I think?) in my other post that she dropped out of that too a while ago and her post on that page is like from Nov last year.

The point is, I can vouch for Jo not just because she's a mate but because she genuinely isn't and has never been out to scam ANYBODY.

Originally Posted by stevethomas

Jo made that video back in the summer of last year when she was still pro BB and didn't realise what she does now. As for IML, I also mentioned (I think?) in my other post that she dropped out of that too a while ago and her post on that page is like from Nov last year.

The point is, I can vouch for Jo not just because she's a mate but because she genuinely isn't and has never been out to scam ANYBODY.

My Mistake. Usually when one drops out of a scam, one would remove (DELETE) the videos.

After all we would not want someone to accidentally sign up under her in a program she is not in right?

I should never assume.

Originally Posted by stevethomas

Jo made that video back in the summer of last year when she was still pro BB and didn't realise what she does now.

So she has had months to make another video saying that she was wrong. Where is it?

As for IML, I also mentioned (I think?) in my other post that she dropped out of that too a while ago and her post on that page is like from Nov last year.

But her video above is pointing out about "negative bloggers" like Realscam and how they are not in her opinion valid criticisms of various schemes. When or where does she change that opinion? If she didn't produce such opinion then she is doing the very thing she criticised others for - putting up uninformed opinion and leaving it up in spite of facts being produced showing it to be in error- isn't she?

The point is, I can vouch for Jo not just because she's a mate but because she genuinely isn't and has never been out to scam ANYBODY.

That is what is called "hearsay". Where is she saying that BB or anything else is a scam?

I just read in the BB Ponzi Scam FB page that James Clark has come forward with another document.
The person who sent this is well known in BB circles but is to be unnamed at this time.


http://screencast.com/t/e0aLdEzB4z

It’s good that Jo is being Deprogrammed from Banners Broker. (you're doing a good thing there) She did seem to be one of the quite prominent promoters of the scheme.
I remember some quite nasty tweets she sent people when they tried to warn her off of Banners Broker.
(Tweets using words like naysayer & loser if I remember correctly)
Anyway I'm Just wondering, is Jo still involved in the other scams she promotes on her YouTube Channel?

Rippln
Imarkets Live
DS Domination
Internet Life style Network

She seems particularly keen on iMarkets Live & BB in this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghRJVEKcKbQ

She also claims in the same video to have made money with Banners Broker, so what is her problem with them?
Or maybe she wasn't being completely straight with her viewers?

Originally Posted by scamassassin007

My Mistake. Usually when one drops out of a scam, one would remove (DELETE) the videos.

After all we would not want someone to accidentally sign up under her in a program she is not in right?

I should never assume.

Thanks, SA007 I will make sure I get on to Jo to remove some of her older videos because as I said, I can definitely vouch for her not being a scammer or trying to fleece anybody (CERTAINLY not knowingly).

I will also advise her to register on here so she can speak for herself that is only fair in my opinion

Originally Posted by Beacon

So she has had months to make another video saying that she was wrong. Where is it?



But her video above is pointing out about "negative bloggers" like Realscam and how they are not in her opinion valid criticisms of various schemes. When or where does she change that opinion? If she didn't produce such opinion then she is doing the very thing she criticised others for - putting up uninformed opinion and leaving it up in spite of facts being produced showing it to be in error- isn't she?


That is what is called "hearsay". Where is she saying that BB or anything else is a scam?

not only that but the video is still up. it was put there July 2013 and hasn't been taken down despite what is being said is her view of the scam now.

Might I respectfully suggest that if Jo Barrett is sincere in her desire to disassociate both herself and her online reputation from the world of online fraud into which she apparently willingly entered, she needs to spend whatever time it takes to "undo" the damage she has herself created:



Joanne Barrett Online Wordpress

Otherwise, many/most people are going to naturally assume her remorse is at being "caught out" and not for the fact she is responsible for the losses incurred by so many of those who believed her

Making amends is more than an apology

Originally Posted by stevethomas

Thanks, SA007 I will make sure I get on to Jo to remove some of her older videos because as I said, I can definitely vouch for her not being a scammer or trying to fleece anybody (CERTAINLY not knowingly).

I will also advise her to register on here so she can speak for herself that is only fair in my opinion

I can actually vouch for Steve Thomas. I have noticed that he has been very vocal against BB on facebook and other areas of the internet. He has posted videos and other posts warning those who might join BB. He has learned the hard way just as many of us have. He wrote to me in a private message. I did give him some advice for her to take down her videos and she should be careful who her friends are in facebook, etc. A little Mea Culpa would not hurt for her to speak out against the scammers and BB in particular.

Here is a video that Steve re-posted on Facebook: lol

Originally Posted by littleroundman

Might I respectfully suggest that if Jo Barrett is sincere in her desire to disassociate both herself and her online reputation from the world of online fraud into which she apparently willingly entered, she needs to spend whatever time it takes to "undo" the damage she has herself created:



Joanne Barrett Online Wordpress

Otherwise, many/most people are going to naturally assume her remorse is at being "caught out" and not for the fact she is responsible for the losses incurred by so many of those who believed her

Making amends is more than an apology

All I Can Say Is.... WOW!

Originally Posted by stevethomas

....
She WAS an advocate of BB at one time simply because like a lot of us, she didn't know any better at the time and truly believed BB were genuine. She's only doing Arbonne now which is an offline marketing company as she was sick of being burned and scammed online by the programs she was in.

So just wanted to point that out :)

I can't speak for the rest of the people on that list as I don't know them.......

Oh, please, Arbonne ?? seriously, that is what she thinks is "NOT A SCAM" ??

jumping around offline/online scams does not change a fact she is still a serial pimp.

Originally Posted by Joe_Shmoe

[COLOR=#000080][SIZE=3]It’s good that Jo is being Deprogrammed from Banners Broker. (you're doing a good thing there) She did seem to be one of the quite prominent promoters of the scheme.
I remember some quite nasty tweets she sent people when they tried to warn her off of Banners Broker.
(Tweets using words like naysayer & loser if I remember correctly

IMO, This Jo was one of the more obnoxious, classless of the BB pimps. She loved to run her mouth...and looks very stupid now because of it.
For this guy to come over and defend her actions is pathetic.