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    Latest waffle...I beg your pardon, vital information from Rockin' Ronnie over at the BB Blog:-

    BB blog 7th Feb 14.jpg

    I have to confess, I'm puzzled by this. I thought BB was supposed to be an online advertiser anyway. Why do affiliates now have to develop "their own prominent online identity"? I thought they were buying/renting advertising space and that was how the money was made? Now, I never did believe there were any adverts or anything like that, but that was how it was explained to me back in November 2012. (Not that I joined, but I know people who did - and who have never had a penny out since).

    Remember the very first "Halloween" film - the one with Jamie Lee Curtis as the hapless heroine? At the end, she kept killing off the bad guy but he kept getting up again. BB is starting to remind me of that. It's dead, but it won't lie down. It keeps on morphing into some strange, warped thing that no-one can properly explain; all in an attempt to part people from their money.

    Why oh why do people keep on believing this sort of old rubbish? Does the promise of making money really cause people to leave their common sense at the door?

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    Remember our old friend Nigel Albright? Very involved, as I understand it, in pushing BB down in the West Country.

    I suspect that he may be moving onto other things, although he does "like" Banners Mobile, Banners Broker and World E Wallet (so he's still a fan of the Bb brand I can surmise). But suddenly, in the last 8 weeks or so, he has got new "friends" on Facebook. These include:

    Soozi Scoones
    Martin Codack
    Iain Sherriff
    Ian Parker
    Siobhan Parker
    Andrew James
    Kathy Kilbey (actually a friend for some time)
    Joanne Barrett Arbonne

    - to name but a few. I have seen those above linked to many online ventures, rather a case of "round up the usual suspects!".

    I will be interested to see if he pops up pimping something else sometime soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scamassassin007 View Post
    WHAT?


    Are you kidding me...

    "Chris Smith.. The Honest Guy that He Is.. Did Not Think People Would Withdraw Money They Did Not Have"

    WHAT?


    This video was recent. Jan 15, 2014 upload.
    This bloke is trying to spin history as being relevant to what's happening today. From his interpretation, the DOS, pulling of Mastercard etc all happened in a few weeks... more like over a year...

    In fact it's nearly a year since Mastercard pulled out.

    Doesn't matter how many times you kick a dead thing mate, it's not going to come to life suddenly.

    Shame on you for trying to bamboozle your team. Shame on you.

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    Anyone seen this?
    https://plus.google.com/u/0/s/bannersbroker
    any of our facebookers care to become google plussers and post there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fat City, LA View Post
    Ive seen them taken down for copyright infri. or bullying, harassing, etc

    Scam warning is best we can get for now.
    I don't get a scam warning when I go to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whip View Post
    I don't get a scam warning when I go to it.
    This is as good as you can expect from YouTube:

    The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing

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    Quote Originally Posted by littleroundman View Post
    This is as good as you can expect from YouTube:

    But I don't even get that. That's what I mean. Is it a pop up that I'm not rolling over or something? I've even reported it twice.

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    Strange

    I went to the video and screen grabbed that image without even logging in
    The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing

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    Quote Originally Posted by scamassassin007 View Post
    WHAT?




    Are you kidding me...

    "Chris Smith.. The Honest Guy that He Is.. Did Not Think People Would Withdraw Money They Did Not Have"

    WHAT?


    This video was recent. Jan 15, 2014 upload.
    The reason Chris Smith has not done a runner is he does not have to. Banners Broker affiliates who still buy into this nonsense are muppets, gullible, no common sense muppets.

    4:39--They paid out $39,000,000 that they did not have??

    How exactly does this work, exactly? Where are the legal actions, both civil and criminal. Does his checking account not have overdraft protection? I almost can't contain my laughter.

    6:20 Programer spoofs ad packs for free and get paid out.??

    Let's call 1 ad pack inventory.

    Lets say 1 ad pack = 1 sale.

    Pretending Chris is running a real business for just 1 minute. Chris buys ad inventory to be brokered and breaks it up into 100 ad packs to sell to affilaites. Without going any further we are expected to believe that suddenly there are 200 ad packs in the system and Chris is none the wiser? But it gets better, he only has the cash for 100 ad packs in his bank account. Then all 100 ad packs sell, so he has the sales of 100 ad packs in his account. Chris NEVER notices and pays affiliates as if 200 ad packs have been sold? WHERE DOES THAT MONEY COME FROM????

    Maybe Alan.Sills can explain that in one of his training videos.
    "It's virtually impossible to violate rules ... but it's impossible for a violation to go undetected, certainly not for a considerable period of time." Bernie Madoff
    https://www.facebook.com/pages/Scam-...98399986981403

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    Quote Originally Posted by littleroundman View Post
    Strange

    I went to the video and screen grabbed that image without even logging in
    I see it now.

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    I call firsties.

    Alan has an important message for folks that have not been screwed over enough by his ineptitude and scamy scam scamming. Apparently on his channel he does not have the onerous problem of people asking him to speak the truth or answer tough questions.





    Attachment 6995
    "It's virtually impossible to violate rules ... but it's impossible for a violation to go undetected, certainly not for a considerable period of time." Bernie Madoff
    https://www.facebook.com/pages/Scam-...98399986981403

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    [QUOTE=ribshaw;65966]I call firsties.

    Alan has an important message for folks that have not been screwed over enough by his ineptitude and scamy scam scamming. Apparently on his channel he does not have the onerous problem of people asking him to speak the truth or answer tough questions.





    Alan seems to be aware that he cant continue on Utube so he is using Utube to recruit people to his own rival video site based on UTube controlling the exact same videos he would have put on UTube but is afraid that UTube will "control away" the exact same video's which he will put on his own site.

    1. I wonder what Alan has to fear from putting the exact same videos on UTube? I mean what control are they going to use over the exact same videos that he won't use?

    2. If alan really believes that "What you don't own for yourself you don't control" why is he promoting Banners Broker which is apparently owned by Chris or Raj? If you can't control Banners Broker Alan why are you applying a different contradictory principle to it than you apply to UTube. I mean why does Alan have his own rolling panels which he controls himself at Alan Sills dot com which do the same thing as Banners Brokers panels but are under his control just like his putting videos under his control on his site rather than UTube.

    3. I wonder how UTube will view this consumer model. I mean imagine you open a shop and someone comes in and on your shelf puts not products but adverts for their shop which has the stuff they used to sell in your shop but now sell in their own? do you really think you should give that person space in your shop to promote their products which they have elsewhere? The exact same products you have available in your shop? Unless of course their products are not the same but inferior copycat products made to look like the real thing but if you had the chance to look you would never put them on your shelves because they are not what they seem. so why would you allow someone place an advert in the space left behind by something you banned pointing people to somewhere they can purchase the same product you just banned?

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    Re: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam




    Today's Webinar Threat:

    IF YOU GET CAUGHT SAYING ANYTHING NEGATIVE ONLINE...
    YOU WILL GET YOUR ACCOUNT FROZEN!

    THEY ARE WATCHING!





    Today's Webinar:
    As of February 12, 2014, we will be taking a firmer stance against people that are speaking badly against Banners Broker. Affiliates found to be contributing to the negativity on the Internet will have their accounts locked, they will be banned from participating in the Banners Broker system and they will forfeit all of their inventory and revenue. These terms have been in the Policies and Procedures since the inception of BB.

    We are doing this to establish a more positive presence on the Internet. This brighter image will benefit us all; it will make sales easier, and you will be able to hold your head high when you tell people that you are a BB affiliate.


    We can all choose our attitudes. Negative attitudes and actions are only good to bring people down. Positive attitudes help make people happier, improve the lives of people around us and let us make more of ourselves. Please join us in adopting the positive and sharing it with others.

    NAZI'z On The Run!

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    Another one for the BB faithful...

    Rules Muppets must live by..JPG

    Does it not seem highly implausible that a company would have internal controls so loose on one end that $39,000,000 just walks out the door, but if you comment on not getting $250 of your $1M BB balance in over a year on some obscure blog the swift hand of justice pulls the plug.
    "It's virtually impossible to violate rules ... but it's impossible for a violation to go undetected, certainly not for a considerable period of time." Bernie Madoff
    https://www.facebook.com/pages/Scam-...98399986981403

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    In Honor Of Their New Policy:



    Copy On:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39j_4SBeCTE

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    Quote Originally Posted by scamassassin007 View Post



    NAZI'z On The Run!
    http://helenaroy.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/1984-1.jpg

    Affiliates are double plus ungood

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    Re: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam

    Sparks Are Starting To Fly In The BB Skype Chats!

    [16:30:05] David Archer-Longden: Moving Forward
    Banners Broker is entering a new phase; this is the next era of an incredible opportunity in which we can all partake. This will be the new and improved Banners Broker.

    Very shortly, we will be announcing the black out period and initiating the migration of data to BBv3 and retiring the old system.

    This renaissance is an exciting period for us all because of the possibilities that lay ahead of us. For this reason, we are going to be taking a firm stance on eliminating all of the negativity on the Internet. This is a monumental task and something that we cannot do without you. Banners Broker is a community of affiliates that work together to earn money for themselves and helping others to do the same. It will mean a lot of hard work but we are confident that we can do it.

    · If you have any negative posts online, we ask that you remove it.
    · If you know of someone who posts negative comments online about Banners Broker, please ask them to remove it and forward them this message.
    · If you know of a site with content that is negative towards Banners Broker, we ask that you report it to the Community Watch.

    As of February 12, 2014, we will be taking a firmer stance against people that are speaking badly against Banners Broker. Affiliates found to be contributing to the negativity on the Internet will have their accounts locked, they will be banned from participating in the Banners Broker system and they will forfeit all of their inventory and revenue. These terms have been in the Policies and Procedures since the inception of BB.

    We are doing this to establish a more positive presence on the Internet. This brighter image will benefit us all; it will make sales easier, and you will be able to hold your head high when you tell people that you are a BB affiliate.

    We can all choose our attitudes. Negative attitudes and actions are only good to bring people down. Positive attitudes help make people happier, improve the lives of people around us and let us make more of ourselves. Please join us in adopting the positive and sharing it with others. - Banners broker Blog posted at 7:27AM
    [16:30:11] David Archer-Longden: *
    [16:44:00] - XXXXXXXXXXX: how about just telling the truth? Nothing is all positive or all negative a balanced view shows honesty or has that also been a casualty with BB?
    [16:45:11] - XXXXXXXXXXX: locking someone's account because they say something that management doesn't like regardless of whether it is true or not sounds like theft to me
    [16:46:04] Joseph Powell: If you don't have anything positive to say then don't say anything. Very simple.

    A balanced view isn't negative. It says nothing about making a balanced assessment and having your account locked.
    [16:47:13] - XXXXXXXXXXX:: but someone has had a poor experience of BB as many have had are you saying that they are not entitled to say so?
    [16:48:53] Joseph Powell: I'm not saying that, the company is saying that.

    If I ran a company, my affiliates/staff, etc would abide by my rules. He has created a rule so that's it.
    It can't be that difficult to not post negative things about the company though.
    [16:52:54] - XXXXXXXXXXX: it is much easier to post the truth and not hide it from people who may be tempted to invest. An honest company with integrity would not hide from the truth. Could you imagine Marks and Spencer asking people to only say postive things about them online. The national press would have a field day with them if they did
    [16:54:38 | Edited 16:54:53] David Archer-Longden: ummmm, Looks like THIS room is going to be Negative orientated then ... :(
    [16:54:46] Joseph Powell: But 'the truth' is very rarely that. People out there call BB a scam, etc, when it isn't true. Those are the people BB are targeting.
    [16:55:25] Joseph Powell: So where do you draw the line? Anything can be said and an affiliate can say 'I was just telling the truth' but the majority of the time, what they say isn't true.
    [16:56:03] Joseph Powell: It's just conjecture coupled with assumptions and half truths
    [16:57:26] Pete (makeanonlineincome.co.uk): Can i ask HOW much longer are you going to keep beating BB for past problems? theyve held their hands up, given explanations by the bucket load and you Still wont give them a chance to make things straight. No wonder Chris has taken this line.
    [16:59:29 | Edited 16:59:43] Pete (makeanonlineincome.co.uk): In the past two years ive watched all these problems unfold. In that time Ive seen Numerous other program flip over and dissapear. BB is still going. Doesnt that at least show something of Chris's resolve over this?
    [17:00:16] - XXXXXXXXXXX:: show me one negative word that I have said!

    what |I object to is censorship that can lead to unsuspecting people making investments that they might not potherwise make if they were in possession of all the facts
    [17:00:28 | Edited 17:01:42] Pete (makeanonlineincome.co.uk): Its not censorship. Its a line drawn in the sand by a man who has already several time given explanation of the past problems and now wants to stop attacks on his company. I dont blame him
    [17:00:42] -XXXXXXXXXXX:: is is conjecture that so many people haven't been paid for months?
    [17:01:10] Joseph Powell: When did I or anyone for that matter accuse you of being negative XXXXXXX?
    [17:01:13] -XXXXXXXXXXX:: if I am prevented from saying the truth then I am being censored try using a dictionary
    [17:03:02] Pete (makeanonlineincome.co.uk): well if you want to talk down to me . i guess i will just leave you too it. Enjoy your wallowing in your truth.
    [17:04:07] Asjad sheikh: hmmm very interesting debit
    [17:04:16] - XXXXXXXXXXX:: wallowing in the truth what a rediculous remark
    [17:04:36] - XXXXXXXXXXX:: do you prefer to wallow in lies and half truths?
    [17:05:46] David Archer-Longden: Can we just LEAVE this, please ,.. aint GETTING us anywhere .... is it ?
    [17:06:52] Joseph Powell: But as I said, 'the truth' isn't always the truth. If I walk into a restaurant and tell everyone that the chef is serving food dropped on the floor and I think it's true, I can be charged still.

    And as everyone knows, it's about the context and how it is written.

    Someone writing "payouts have slowed down over the past 10 months due to..." Instead of "BB is a scam, they aren't paying anymore". They are both very different
    [17:07:19] - XXXXXXXXXXX:: I have no wish to continue or to argue with anyone however I passionately object to being told what to say and what not to say
    [17:08:03] - XXXXXXXXXXX:: people have not been paid for months you cannot hide from that fact
    [17:08:12] -XXXXXXXXXXX: why would you want to do so?
    [17:08:29] David Archer-Longden: as is always said ... "If you have nothing GOOD to say then, say nothing at all" ummmmmm
    [17:08:38] Joseph Powell: I know plenty of people who have been paid in the past few months
    [17:09:19] Joseph Powell: I personally don't care if people are negative. They are the ones who will lose their accounts, it doesn't affect me lol.
    [17:09:29] -XXXXXXXXXXX:: do you not accept that some people are still promoting BB and that the unwary may be making investment decisions based on filtered information that does not show the full picture
    [17:09:42] Joseph Powell: Exactly Dave
    [17:10:15] -XXXXXXXXXXX:: for every one that received a payment I wonder how many are still waiting
    [17:10:59] David Archer-Longden: I am going to say it ...... Shut UP !!!!!!
    [17:11:05] XXXXXXXXXXX:: I fear that truth is most definitely a casualty in this business
    [17:11:12] Joseph Powell: I don't remember BB being an investment...

    But as I said, people are still being paid.

    No one is forcing you to continue with BB. I'm guessing that since you don't want to be told what to say, you will not be continuing with V3?
    [17:11:16 | Edited 17:11:21] David Archer..
    [12:45:37 PM] - XXXXXXXXXXX:: unscrupulous morons one and all
    [12:46:34 PM] XXXXXXXXXXX:s: missed this bit off the end

    [17:11:16 | Edited 17:11:21] David Archer-Longden: if you DON'T LIke BB or, what is coming ... GO AWAY ... OK
    [17:11:18 | Edited 17:11:48] Pete (makeanonlineincome.co.uk): Dave , Joseph your wasting your time on him (facepalm)
    [17:11:45] XXXXXXXXXXX:: Hey Dave is that the way you conduct an adult discussion......sounds like schoolboy language to me
    [17:12:01] David Archer-Longden: OK .... Done ....
    [17:12:20] *** David Archer-Longden removed - XXXXXXXXXXX from this conversation. ***


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    Re: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam

    Today's Webinar:

    We can all choose our attitudes. Negative attitudes and actions are only good to bring people down. Positive attitudes help make people happier, improve the lives of people around us and let us make more of ourselves. Please join us in adopting the positive and sharing it with others.
    A song for the Banners Broker victims to help them obey their overlords orders


    If Simon Stepsys or Mark Ghobril are involved it's 100% a SCAM!

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    Quote Originally Posted by scamassassin007 View Post



    [B][SIZE=3]Today's Webinar Threat:

    they will forfeit all of their inventory and revenue
    Can't forfeit something that doesn't exist. lmao

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    Re: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam

    A source from TalkingBB just sent me these over, Whooops, naughty BB


    smilerNoCar.jpg
    AssNoCar.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by whatthe View Post
    A source from TalkingBB just sent me these over, Whooops, naughty BB


    smilerNoCar.jpg
    AssNoCar.jpg
    Elke needs to have.............................................. ....... patience

    At least now Elke Waszmann might now realise the truth.
    Last edited by Joe_Shmoe; 02-07-2014 at 02:59 PM.

    If Simon Stepsys or Mark Ghobril are involved it's 100% a SCAM!

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    Elke, BB sent your car to me by mistake, PM me i will pass it to you.

    1-18-Minichamps-Mercedes-SL500-R230-Diecast-Model-car.jpg



    BTW: they also tried to sell me Mercedes panels which looked like used and fell off the truck, but for the price + shipping i could get new ones cheaper locally.

    1382696170_559880521_7-Urgent-2003-Mercedes-Benz-Elegance-C200-Wooden-Panel-with-Temperature-and.jpg
    Last edited by NikSam; 02-07-2014 at 03:22 PM.

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    Re: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam

    New BB Real-Scam Video Contest:

    Submit A Video About The TRUTH regarding Banners Broker

    And Win A Video OF A Burning Tesla!

    Here is a Submission In Honor Of The New Rules:






    Attention BB *More Copies Available!!!!
    Last edited by scamassassin007; 02-07-2014 at 04:15 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scamassassin007 View Post
    Sparks Are Starting To Fly In The BB Skype Chats!

    · If you have any negative posts online, we ask that you remove it.
    · If you know of someone who posts negative comments online about Banners Broker, please ask them to remove it and forward them this message.
    · If you know of a site with content that is negative towards Banners Broker, we ask that you report it to the Community Watch.
    I wonder who the Stazi sorry Community Watch are?
    But what I glean from the above is Raj and the lads are worried about external things like RS but accept they can't control that. This limits the new victims. But they are worried about the existing sheep switching off so they are trying to control them. This in itself means

    1. BB is contracting
    2. BB is existing on a drip compared to a deluge of new affiliates.

    As of February 12, 2014, we will be... These terms have been in the Policies and Procedures since the inception of BB.

    As is promoting other HYIP's which Stepsys and others continue to do without sanction.

    By the way in the original PaP BB was also
    - not in the USA ...changed
    - an investment which would double...changed

    Now this is a philosophically important point and relates to my BIG BROTHER points made a few messages earlier.

    BB are trying to eliminate their history. The "we have made mistakes in the past. we admit it . Lest forget about them and move on" will soon become "move on"
    If you cant refer to past history of scams then scams never happened.
    We are doing this to establish a more positive presence on the Internet. This brighter image will benefit us all; it will make sales easier, and you will be able to hold your head high when you tell people that you are a BB affiliate.
    Just like Holocaust deniers do when they say they have a nice uniform. If the Swastika has no relevance then sure there is no problem in wearing them? So why it is illegal to do so in Germany?

    We can all choose our attitudes. Negative attitudes and actions are only good to bring people down. Positive attitudes help make people happier, improve the lives of people around us and let us make more of ourselves. Please join us in adopting the positive and sharing it with others.
    Based on that we should not have anyone punished for any crime. We should have a positive attitude and allow all the criminals to go about their "business"


    [16:47:13] - XXXXXXXXXXX:: but someone has had a poor experience of BB as many have had are you saying that they are not entitled to say so?
    [16:48:53] Joseph Powell: I'm not saying that, the company is saying that.
    The classic - "Im just following orders" excuse.

    Isn't it great to just ignore your conscience with the excuse that someone better than you, like the non existent company BB, is making all the justified decisions?
    If I ran a company, my affiliates/staff, etc would abide by my rules. He has created a rule so that's it.
    Classic "sheep" mentality. But he seems not to be aware of Labour Law. Yes a business owner has absolute control over some of his employees. He can demand they wear a uniform turn up at certain hours get certain pay for example. But this also entitles the "employees" to certain rights e.g. redundancy payments , pension funds, time for breaks etc.
    But what is being missed her is that BB continually avoid having the responsibility of "EMPLOYEES" . they have "affiliates" who if BB as a company was a legal entity operating legally (and it ISN'T) then they would be agents or sub contractors who do not have to abide by the rules for employees.

    As regards contracts and terms and conditions BB have constantly changed these ion any case and ignored parts of them e.g. they have not enfporced the "no other HYIP" clause since Stepsys etc. have blatantly broken this but were still supplying money to Raj and the lads.

    [16:54:46] Joseph Powell: But 'the truth' is very rarely that. People out there call BB a scam, etc, when it isn't true. Those are the people BB are targeting.
    Yes and no. BB is concerned about RS and others but they are targeting their iown sheep because RS and others are worrying the sheep. This is a very telling comment. BB are worried about the sheep and rather than tackle what is worrying the sheep they tell the sheep to avoid it.

    [16:57:26] Pete (makeanonlineincome.co.uk): Can i ask HOW much longer are you going to keep beating BB for past problems? theyve held their hands up, given explanations by the bucket load and you Still wont give them a chance to make things straight. No wonder Chris has taken this line.
    the point is THEY HAVENT MADE THINGS STRAIGHT. Instead they try to ignore that they have robbed people and are trying a "clean slate" approach. Instead of starting a new scam they are trying to reboot the old one. thisis also very telling. BB must have been successful beyond their wildest dreams . So much so they are prepared to try to milk it for more rather than start another scam.


    [16:59:29 | Edited 6:59:43] Pete (makeanonlineincome.co.uk): In the past two years ive watched all these problems unfold. In that time Ive seen Numerous other program flip over and dissapear. BB is still going. Doesnt that at least show something of Chris's resolve over this?
    Yes It shows he is prepared to try to milk it for more rather than start another scam.
    [17:00:28 | Edited 17:01:42] Pete (makeanonlineincome.co.uk): Its not censorship. Its a line drawn in the sand by a man who has already several time given explanation of the past problems and now wants to stop attacks on his company. I dont blame him
    I do! If someone says "Give me ten dollars and I promise you twenty next week 2 and then every week says "XYZ excuse so Ill have it next week" do you really think that "I have told you all the XYZ excuses so why don't we just forget the history which I'm fed up apologizing for? Now have you ten dollars and Ill give you twenty next week?"

    In closing Ill mention one more telling point which I have touched on. The heavy handed "we will deal with it " approach is now being used on the internal sheep. this means to me
    1. AS i stated BB is contracting so - The wider potential internal sheep are not being targeted to such a degree
    2. More striking the old "we have top class lawyers to deal with the external negitive bloggers" has effectively disappeared. Thank you Realscam you are making inroads and BB are admitting it!

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