Thread: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam

They replied...they must have been practising there blog writing skills
Jackson Simms "We want visitors to this page to be able to see quickly what is going on and read relevant comments to a topic" These questions are very respectful and is very relevant to this topic so here I go.
Just a couple of questions and everything in quotes are BB's words but before I start .... means you know what but for those that dont know what, it rhymes with laid as they moderated those words so the public cant see them.

1. "IT are aware of the recent issues accessing the site and we apologise for any inconvenience. This is due to increased traffic to the site"
According to Alexa and StatsCorp, there has been a large decrease in traffic. Are they wrong? There wasnt a problem like this when there was alot more traffic to the site than there is now.

2. Questions about notes From Banners Broker Blogspot notes on Friday Oct 18 webinar. "....-In and ....-Out, via STP. As you know, they changed their system. We then changed our system. It didn't like the brackets!! We fixed it yesterday. People can now use that to pay money into your e wallet. Mass ....-out. Every time we do a mass ...., I get a results file, which shows the success rates. Some peoples accounts aren't ready and they get a message of Invalid Record, but we're not sure what that means. We've been taking the same action as what we've been doing for the last few years."
You said you changed your system, why are we not on the new system yet then?
What do you mean by brackets? Why would you add Brackets? According to STP website, there is a tutorial on how to do a mass ....out (there are even pictures) and when I talked to them, they said that has not changed for 2.5 years and hasnt been an issue. All you do is submit a TEXT or CSV file. It looks very easy. Isnt chris a programming genius? Maybe its the brackets lol.

3.Questions about beta testing. The images you sent doesnt have any improvements in userbility. Its the same thing but a different look. Why do you feel that its important for us to see what it looks like? Why do you need to beta test that? Why did you feel the need to show us a registration page about our business information? Didnt you just terminate all contracts for the affiliates that had a business name before? Do we all have to register a business name to stay active? Are we going to have to upload our Id's again? Why dont you show some pictures or share some information on the new stuff like weekly tasks? We care about whats coming not what we already know.
Im REALLY curious about what you wrote in a previous post, "A number of questions have been asked 'Who are the beta testers'There are 1,000's of Beta Testers from all over the world, all with different experience with Banners Broker. From BB Millionaires to fairly new affiliates." Who are they??? According to what I have found there are around 40 video testimonials and the only way to be a beta tester is with a video testimonial, where are the other 960+ (being modest to your 1000's remark)?

4. K last questions about this post, when you mention "posts of "When will I be ...." are automatically hidden. They serve no purpose as we can not answer them. While we totally understand and share the frustrations of affiliates, we have to be proactive and keep the information flowing - not be bogged down by the same posts time and time again. We want visitors to this page to be able to see quickly what is going on and read relevant comments to a topic - anything else is a distraction and unhelpful." I understand what you mean about people asking "When will I ....." that can be annoying having to address everyone as we all have that same question. However I have seen some very helpful posts that have been deleted. Why dont you just remove comments from the page altogether instead of picking and chooosing? And people can keep their opinions on their own wall or in their thoughts. Dont delete what you want people to see, there would be more interactions on your page and buzz about banners broker. Isnt that what you want?

Oh yea. Who the heck is Ron Anderson? He is the BB spokesperson. You compare yourself to the "big guys" all the time and we know who they are. They have nothing to hide and BB is "certainly not hiding anything" so can you practice what you preach? I look forward to your response
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BannersBroker 1. "IT are aware of the recent issues accessing the site and we apologise for any inconvenience. This is due to increased traffic to the site"
According to Alexa and StatsCorp, there has been a large decrease in traffic. Are they wrong? There wasnt a problem like this when there was alot more traffic to the site than there is now.

This is according to Google Analytics's and information passed from IT.

2. Questions about notes From Banners Broker Blogspot notes on Friday Oct 18 webinar. "....-In and ....-Out, via STP. As you know, they changed their system. We then changed our system. It didn't like the brackets!! We fixed it yesterday. People can now use that to pay money into your e wallet. Mass ....-out. Every time we do a mass ...., I get a results file, which shows the success rates. Some peoples accounts aren't ready and they get a message of Invalid Record, but we're not sure what that means. We've been taking the same action as what we've been doing for the last few years."

You said you changed your system, why are we not on the new system yet then?
What do you mean by brackets? Why would you add Brackets?

The formatting of the brackets is for STP deposit, ie pay in.

According to STP website, there is a tutorial on how to do a mass ....out (there are even pictures) and when I talked to them, they said that has not changed for 2.5 years and hasnt been an issue. All you do is submit a TEXT or CSV file. It looks very easy. Isnt chris a programming genius? Maybe its the brackets lol.

Maybe.

3.Questions about beta testing. The images you sent doesnt have any improvements in userbility. Its the same thing but a different look.

That is a matter of opinion, I'm sure the beta testers would disagree.

Why do you feel that its important for us to see what it looks like?

We are sharing little snippets about what is around the corner.

Why do you need to beta test that? Why did you feel the need to show us a registration page about our business information?

As we answered on the same question you posted elsewhere - it is a feature that has been requested for some time.

Didnt you just terminate all contracts for the affiliates that had a business name before?

As we answered on the same question you posted elsewhere, no.

Do we all have to register a business name to stay active?

No.

Are we going to have to upload our Id's again?

No, account information will be carried over to v3.

Why dont you show some pictures or share some information on the new stuff like weekly tasks? We care about whats coming not what we already know.

As we answered on the same question you posted elsewhere, the details of v3 have not been finalised. It would be wrong of us to share something that was not 100% accurate.

Im REALLY curious about what you wrote in a previous post, "A number of questions have been asked 'Who are the beta testers'There are 1,000's of Beta Testers from all over the world, all with different experience with Banners Broker. From BB Millionaires to fairly new affiliates." Who are they???

We will not be releasing the personal details of the Beta Testers.

According to what I have found there are around 40 video testimonials and the only way to be a beta tester is with a video testimonial, where are the other 960+ (being modest to your 1000's remark)?

The Beta program mimics what happens in the real site, so beta testers have the option to refer other affiliates. This is to test that the site tracks the affiliate sales, sales credits and other referral activity.

4. K last questions about this post, when you mention "posts of "When will I be ...." are automatically hidden. They serve no purpose as we can not answer them. While we totally understand and share the frustrations of affiliates, we have to be proactive and keep the information flowing - not be bogged down by the same posts time and time again. We want visitors to this page to be able to see quickly what is going on and read relevant comments to a topic - anything else is a distraction and unhelpful." I understand what you mean about people asking "When will I ....." that can be annoying having to address everyone as we all have that same question. However I have seen some very helpful posts that have been deleted.

We are not aware of helpful posts that have been removed.

Why dont you just remove comments from the page altogether instead of picking and chooosing? And people can keep their opinions on their own wall or in their thoughts. Dont delete what you want people to see, there would be more interactions on your page and buzz about banners broker. Isnt that what you want?

Posts are moderated in line with BB and Facebook's Terms and Conditions. This is just like the social media policy of any other company.

Oh yea. Who the heck is Ron Anderson? He is the BB spokesperson.

Ron looks after PR and Communications and as I'm sure you'll agree since he took over only a few weeks ago - there has been a huge improvement in communicating news, issues and updates from Banners Broker.

You compare yourself to the "big guys" all the time and we know who they are.

Banners Broker International do not compare themselves to anyone. If comparisons are made it might be where similar situations have occurred, for example Facebook yesterday had an issue where users were not able to post updates, like or comment. All websites no matter how big or small, experience issues. Or when Microsoft release a version of windows, shortly followed by an update or patch.

They have nothing to hide and BB is "certainly not hiding anything" so can you practice what you preach? I look forward to your response

Hope that helps.
8 hours ago

Jackson Simms your answers are very vague. your answer regarding traffic. There was a decrease in traffic no increase
3 hours ago

Jackson Simms anyone can look it up
3 hours ago

Ta-dah! Rockin' Ronnie is at it again, more purple prose from the Spinmeister....


Tuesday, October 22, 2013
Progress
As I was coming in to work today, I had to marvel at the size of the buildings that fill the skyline - corporate headquarters, condos, hospitals, churches, theatres, all giant structures that have been built brick by brick until they touch the sky.

There is one hotel that used to be the highest point that you could see but now it is dwarfed by other, newer buildings.

But none of this happened in a day, or week or even a year. Each of these buildings, whether they have stood for decades or are still under construction are huge investments of time and energy, they represent the dreams and efforts of thousands of people and they have become the realization of all of that.

Many of you have done the same thing. Maybe you started with a little yellow panel; maybe you were more ambitious and started your Banners Broker journey with an Enterprise or Ultimate package. Maybe you got excited when you surpassed $100 in your eWallet, maybe you threw a party when your first big panel capped.

And look where you are now. Each affiliate started in the same place and consider the size of your account now. Think about Banners Broker, it started as nothing more than an idea and has now grown to a worldwide phenomenon.

Maybe it happened fast, maybe it happened slow but either way, it happened. You put forth effort, time, thought, energy and your account grew. It is bigger than it was before but it is not as big as it will be in the future. You are making progress and you should be proud of that. You have put in what was necessary to make your account what it is. And if this is how far you have made it so far, can you imagine what the future will hold?

(Blue highlighting above is mine)

Because, yes, just look where the affiliates are now, Ronnie. Some have given up and ditched their BB account. Some have moved onto other ventures that they are now pushing. Some are hanging on by their fingertips, hoping, hoping, hoping that maybe this time they will get some money out of this thing that they have put variable amounts of effort, but probably no end of hope, into.

Ron Anderson, I wish you would take a word of advice. Just....please....in the name of sanity....look at what piffle you are coming out with and please.....JUST STOP IT!

Joao Marques runs ads all day/every day in Clixsense knowing it doesnt pay. Its been that way for months.
Banners Broker

Originally Posted by Della Cate

Ta-dah! Rockin' Ronnie is at it again, more purple prose from the Spinmeister....


Tuesday, October 22, 2013
Progress
As I was coming in to work today, I had to marvel at the size of the buildings that fill the skyline - corporate headquarters, condos, hospitals, churches, theatres, all giant structures that have been built brick by brick until they touch the sky.

There is one hotel that used to be the highest point that you could see but now it is dwarfed by other, newer buildings.

But none of this happened in a day, or week or even a year. Each of these buildings, whether they have stood for decades or are still under construction are huge investments of time and energy, they represent the dreams and efforts of thousands of people and they have become the realization of all of that.

Many of you have done the same thing. Maybe you started with a little yellow panel; maybe you were more ambitious and started your Banners Broker journey with an Enterprise or Ultimate package. Maybe you got excited when you surpassed $100 in your eWallet, maybe you threw a party when your first big panel capped.

And look where you are now. Each affiliate started in the same place and consider the size of your account now. Think about Banners Broker, it started as nothing more than an idea and has now grown to a worldwide phenomenon.

Maybe it happened fast, maybe it happened slow but either way, it happened. You put forth effort, time, thought, energy and your account grew. It is bigger than it was before but it is not as big as it will be in the future. You are making progress and you should be proud of that. You have put in what was necessary to make your account what it is. And if this is how far you have made it so far, can you imagine what the future will hold?

(Blue highlighting above is mine)

Because, yes, just look where the affiliates are now, Ronnie. Some have given up and ditched their BB account. Some have moved onto other ventures that they are now pushing. Some are hanging on by their fingertips, hoping, hoping, hoping that maybe this time they will get some money out of this thing that they have put variable amounts of effort, but probably no end of hope, into.

Ron Anderson, I wish you would take a word of advice. Just....please....in the name of sanity....look at what piffle you are coming out with and please.....JUST STOP IT!

but this is titled 'Progress'! How can that be, have I missed progress? Have affiliates been paid? What is this progress? Does Ron speak of personal progress, has he just discovered that building are built, brick by brick? Is perhaps Ron an affiliate himself earning brownie points for writing testimonials, could he be a commoner garden beta tester himself progressing panel by panel?

On a serious note, who did you say you where Ron and what is your background? What is your qualification? What is it that compels you to speak of family and love and thanksgiving and turkey and now skyscrapers? What is your role and can you explain why Chris can be informative on one out of seven days while you buffer him on the other six? BB haven't paid MOST of it's affiliates for best part of 10 months now, what's in it for you, what is the basis, solid basis for your future predictions? Strip away the fluff and you are saying nothing.

Royal York Hotel lol, won't be too many affiliates staying there!

They STILL don't get it do they...

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...and while I'm at it. Where are all these THOUSANDS of videos from all these THOUSANDS of beta testers???

What is amazing to me is how even after all of this time (over 3 years now since the "official" start of BB), which includes all of the time tech support was "fixing issues due to increased traffic" (seems to be going on a year now apparently), they still can't keep a website running correctly? And they seem to regard themselves as internet moguls? And people still believe this garbage? Just as the American people need to wake up to their threateningly corrupt government, BB believers need to wake up to common sense. I suppose neither of those realizations will take place any time soon.

Originally Posted by HARRISON

They STILL don't get it do they...

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...and while I'm at it. Where are all these THOUSANDS of videos from all these THOUSANDS of beta testers???

Harrison...I think you can use THOUSANDS as real number only 3 times in any scam out there - THOUSANDS join,they invest THOUSANDS $ and THOUSANDS never get paid

Some more interesting news from India:
Portuguese citizen charged with dowry harassment - Bangalore Mirror

...
The complaint states that Bento forced his way into the flat early on Wednesday and demanded 50,000 euros from Ana. When Ana refused to give him the money, Bento not only beat her, but threatened to kill her by brandishing a knife.
...
Police have registered a dowry harassment case under 498(A) of IPC against Bento and remanded him to judicial custody. Cops say the couple had filed for divorce in a courts in Portugal.

Portuguese citizen charged with dowry harassment - Bangalore Mirror
The incident seems to have happened on the Wed 16th

The complaint states that Bento forced his way into the flat early on Wednesday and demanded 50,000 euros from Ana.

and that may be why the court date was moved from Thursday 17th to Monday 21st. Maybe he wanted to get money paid out before the court rumbled the scheme?

But according to this it happened on 18th
http://kannadigaworld.com/news/karnataka/44784.html
Maybe the date was changed anyway?

Look Who Is In The News!

Source: http://www.bangaloremirror.com/bangalore/c...ow/24447114.cms
Anna In A BB Video: The BB TV - BB TV Presents: David Hooker & Ana Onofre India Update

***URGENT***

This reporter is investigating Banners Broker and needs YOUR help.
PLEASE contact him with your stories of BB:

Sean O'Shea

Consumer Investigative Reporter

Global TV News Canada

+1 416 446 5467 direct office

sos@globalnews.ca

Oh dear.

My Banners Broker Experience/Story So Far ! - YouTube

What I think is saddest of all is that he says he would like his two sons to follow him into Banners Broker.

Originally Posted by Della Cate

Oh dear.

My Banners Broker Experience/Story So Far ! - YouTube

What I think is saddest of all is that he says he would like his two sons to follow him into Banners Broker.

What I miss here on this video is 1 litre glass of beer ...but the way he speaks,it seems that he has already drained it...pity,he didn't belch at the end ...believe me..he was near to

Originally Posted by HARRISON

***URGENT***

This reporter is investigating Banners Broker and needs YOUR help.
PLEASE contact him with your stories of BB:

Sean O'Shea

Consumer Investigative Reporter

Global TV News Canada

+1 416 446 5467 direct office

sos@globalnews.ca

Wow, this is great news Harrison, have you been in contact to offer the links to here and finchsells as well as taratalks?

Originally Posted by Beacon

Some more interesting news from India:

I note there is another case OA / 167 / 2013 ( case 27 in the causelist)
Causelist of District and Subordinate Courts
for a Mr Bento De Souza up in Mapusa Civil and Criminal court on Wed Oct 30th In the Court of Smt. Sayonara T. Laad
Civil Judge, Senior Division and J.M.F.C.
under section 138 of NIACT, 1881 basically that means bouncing a cheque to the Lokmanya Multipurpose Co-op Society Ltd.
Wonder if it is the same guy?

Originally Posted by Beacon

I note there is another case [/url]
for a Mr Bento De Souza
Wonder if it is the same guy?

IIR Ana was allowed to travel to Portugal I questioned at the time whether she was going to Manchester. She later applied to be allowed to travel to Portugal for two months. Exactly when was that? Because it now appears she
Portuguese man gets ‘dowry’ law treatment - Bangalore Mirror

Ana's advocate Raja M said, "The couple were living in Bangalore eight months ago. Ana left for Canada on work in August and Jimme went back to Portugal. During this time, the couple were contemplating divorce. She came back to India in September and Jimme came to Bangalore on October 16."

So she did travel abroad - To Canada ( did she mention this to the court then) and he only arrived in Goa on Wednesday Oct 16th which happened to be the day before her original court date last Thursday.

It seems that Jo Spencer is working for an IT reseller based in Kettering. (totalcomputers.co.uk)

She's had to get herself a "proper job" because BB are no longer paying her, yet she's still actively running the BBdealer site and telling her downline that everything is fine, "Chris will fix it!"

Originally Posted by JohnnyH

It seems that Jo Spencer is working for an IT reseller based in Kettering. (totalcomputers.co.uk)

She's had to get herself a "proper job" because BB are no longer paying her, yet she's still actively running the BBdealer site and telling her downline that everything is fine, "Chris will fix it!"

She is proper scum.

Originally Posted by JohnnyH

It seems that Jo Spencer is working for an IT reseller based in Kettering. (totalcomputers.co.uk)

She's had to get herself a "proper job" because BB are no longer paying her, yet she's still actively running the BBdealer site and telling her downline that everything is fine, "Chris will fix it!"

That's the #1 rule of serial HYIP ponzi pimps and shills:

"never, ever, ever, EVER admit a HYIP ponzi has stopped paying"

Originally Posted by Joe_Shmoe

She is proper scum.

LOL her page BB Dealer help you earn money online using the Banners Broker advertising system. Learn how to make money, increase your income and improve your quality of life with a banner impressions business.
refers to Dave Osman as a testimonial
This Dave Osman appears to now be selling Flexkom
I though BB banned people from BB for promoting other schemes?

She also mentions "Key points to help you get started:"

You do NOT need to refer other members to have a successful Banners Broker Business

Ill bet iof the 400,000 claimed affiliates she can't even name TEN who made lots of money and had no referrals.

Banners Broker is a legitimate and licensed business

She does not mention WHERE it is legitimate nor TO WHAT licensing authority.

In fact BB isn't legitimate anywhere but it has no proper company anywhere either. Anywhere it has been registered it filed no accounts. And that is even in offshore tax havens like Isle of Man or Belize.

Banners broker is NOT a Multi Level Marketing opportunity, nor is it a Ponzi – Banners Broker is completely self funding, hence why it is not necessary to refer on to make money

It is a ponzi which is why it is self funding. It gets its money entirely from members contributions! It has no proper registration complaiance or accounts and she can't name even ten people who have no referrals and made lots of money.

Over on MMG, the Guardianuno has some information on the star of the video I posted above, one Andy Botteril (post 11819):

Banners Broker - bannersbroker.com

Personally, I don't think it was a wise move to quit the day job on the strength of BB promises.....

And over on the main BB FB page, there is much excitement because some people are saying they have been paid!

The atmosphere is positively electric!

Some people are complaining that THEY have not been paid, but some people are never satisfied, are they?

What I found interesting was a response, posted multiple times, in response to questions about payment:-


BB Fb 24 Oct.jpg

Now, is it just me, or does anyone else find it strange that "there is only a certain number of affiliates that can be paid at any one time"? We keep being told that BB is a genuine company, but genuine companies usually pay all their staff when payday comes around. I know there would be uproar in my workplace if the big bosses came round the workplace and said "We can only pay 25% of you this month, but if you keep on working, you might get paid next month - have faith!" They'd be told exactly where to get off and not in polite terms either.

So, genuine companies pay their staff regularly. Unless of course they are in financial trouble in which case people may not get paid and there are threats of redundancy and creditors at the door.........oh, hang, on, wait a minute.....

Originally Posted by Della Cate

Now, is it just me, or does anyone else find it strange that

Not just you. This is just jaw dropping, it is like these affiliates have Ponzi Stockholm Syndrome. The only other explanation is the affiliates who are left, (other than the professional shills) have never in their lives had someone welch on a debt.

There seem to be a few payments done today...but what happened to the temporary $250 cap I wonder?

payments.JPG

Originally Posted by Della Cate

And over on the main BB FB page, there is much excitement because some people are saying they have been paid!

The atmosphere is positively electric!

Some people are complaining that THEY have not been paid, but some people are never satisfied, are they?

What I found interesting was a response, posted multiple times, in response to questions about payment:-


BB Fb 24 Oct.jpg

Now, is it just me, or does anyone else find it strange that "there is only a certain number of affiliates that can be paid at any one time"? We keep being told that BB is a genuine company, but genuine companies usually pay all their staff when payday comes around. I know there would be uproar in my workplace if the big bosses came round the workplace and said "We can only pay 25% of you this month, but if you keep on working, you might get paid next month - have faith!" They'd be told exactly where to get off and not in polite terms either.

So, genuine companies pay their staff regularly. Unless of course they are in financial trouble in which case people may not get paid and there are threats of redundancy and creditors at the door.........oh, hang, on, wait a minute.....

Exactly...real online companies pay 100% and ALWAYS 1 or 2 days after the service or product was accomplished...not first of the month or 15th of the month..it is always time related to work done,service done,product sold...any % less then that real company would see as problem ( not as excuse) and would do ALL POSSIBLE to resolve it in meter of hours...why?...because every good real business has circular intersection which must function as smoothly as possible...different with SCAMS -as there is no real business flow,tremendous energy is spent on excuses (mostly fake) why (not existing) circular intersection is not happening

Originally Posted by Della Cate

And over on the main BB FB page, there is much excitement because some people are saying they have been paid!

The atmosphere is positively electric!

Some people are complaining that THEY have not been paid, but some people are never satisfied, are they?

What I found interesting was a response, posted multiple times, in response to questions about payment:-


BB Fb 24 Oct.jpg

Now, is it just me, or does anyone else find it strange that "there is only a certain number of affiliates that can be paid at any one time"? We keep being told that BB is a genuine company, but genuine companies usually pay all their staff when payday comes around. I know there would be uproar in my workplace if the big bosses came round the workplace and said "We can only pay 25% of you this month, but if you keep on working, you might get paid next month - have faith!" They'd be told exactly where to get off and not in polite terms either.

So, genuine companies pay their staff regularly. Unless of course they are in financial trouble in which case people may not get paid and there are threats of redundancy and creditors at the door.........oh, hang, on, wait a minute.....

Della, I would guess, with a fair degree of confidence, that BB have made payments to selected affiliates only. The ones that will FB it, like the same idiots who are doing those youtube testimonials. We do know, because Chris has mentioned it several times, that payments are manually done on an excel spreadsheet ( please!!!) so he is in a position to pick who gets paid. I have o doubt that any payments made at this time are either those with litigation and good cases attached, those who are still cheering BB on and recruiting and those who are in cahoots with BB and paid in return to post around the blogs that BB are paying. Of course there is always the fourth possibility, pretending to be paid for the promise of just rewards?? Remember in the good old days when they were youtubing videos of withdrawals from ATM machines lol