Thread: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam

Well said Brenda!

I have a question. A genuine one, that I hope those more experienced with BB type "schemes" will be able to answer.

In January 2013 (and before) a number of people were pushing BB as a sure-fire thing; a great business opportunity, a chance to double your money for doing virtually nothing. I need not name them, we all know who they are. Anyone who even questioned the veracity of their claims were labelled as "haterz", as people who were too thick to understand BB, as people who had been thrown out of BB for naughty deeds and who therefore had an axe to grind, as "negative bloggers" who just wanted to drive traffic to their own sites (even if they didn't have a site to make money, but never let the truth get in the way of a good story, eh?).

Right?

Well, a lot, if not all of those people are now pushing other things, taking down pro-BB sites and acting as if BB was nothing to do with them.....despite the fact that 8 months, 6 months, 2 months, even 2 weeks ago, they were still trying to recruit people into BB.

But they are going to meetings, even inviting the same people they dragged into BB along to hear about a new venture - as if BB never existed!

Well, my question is this - and sincere apologies for my long run up to it - how do they explain themselves?

Have they no shame?

Does no-one ever ask about their involvement with BB, ask what happened to it and why they have changed? Does no-one say "Well, you dragged me into BB and that was a pile of cr*p, so on your bike with this one, pal!"

I suppose some people do, but I also suppose that there's a lot of vulnerable and hopeful and naive people out there as well.

Still puzzles me though. I would have thought that once you were bitten by something like this, you'd be doubly careful in the future.

Originally Posted by Della Cate

I have a question. A genuine one, that I hope those more experienced with BB type "schemes" will be able to answer.

In January 2013 (and before) a number of people were pushing BB as a sure-fire thing; a great business opportunity, a chance to double your money for doing virtually nothing. I need not name them, we all know who they are. Anyone who even questioned the veracity of their claims were labelled as "haterz", as people who were too thick to understand BB, as people who had been thrown out of BB for naughty deeds and who therefore had an axe to grind, as "negative bloggers" who just wanted to drive traffic to their own sites (even if they didn't have a site to make money, but never let the truth get in the way of a good story, eh?).

Right?

Well, a lot, if not all of those people are now pushing other things, taking down pro-BB sites and acting as if BB was nothing to do with them.....despite the fact that 8 months, 6 months, 2 months, even 2 weeks ago, they were still trying to recruit people into BB.

But they are going to meetings, even inviting the same people they dragged into BB along to hear about a new venture - as if BB never existed!

Well, my question is this - and sincere apologies for my long run up to it - how do they explain themselves?

Have they no shame?

Does no-one ever ask about their involvement with BB, ask what happened to it and why they have changed? Does no-one say "Well, you dragged me into BB and that was a pile of cr*p, so on your bike with this one, pal!"

I suppose some people do, but I also suppose that there's a lot of vulnerable and hopeful and naive people out there as well.

Still puzzles me though. I would have thought that once you were bitten by something like this, you'd be doubly careful in the future.

You may recall my mate who was (still is) heavily involved with BB. Well when Driscoll jumped to Flexkom, the only comment mate made was that he would get in earlier and take out money earlier if he proceeded in that direction. Frankly haven't seen much of the man for months and don't intend to either. No doubt he's now extremely worried about BB and I hope the blinkers have come off but he is definitely in the believer mode.

In other news, with regards to our little friend Stepsys, I would imagine the police are well aware of him and his little shenanigans.

Della Cate...how do they explain themselves?...people without cheek or with sole cheek,we say...besides some would sell their own mother for few bucks..they do not care....over corpse till success is their motto

The pimps like russo/drdave, blondie, braddles, faith sloan, stroes, drbobby and a few others are all alike. They would sell their mothers, wives, and children down the road to make a quick dollar. Mundorf is 100% correct!

Originally Posted by baylee

The pimps like russo/drdave, blondie, braddles, faith sloan, stroes, drbobby and a few others are all alike. They would sell their mothers, wives, and children down the road to make a quick dollar. Mundorf is 100% correct!

Sorry, I forgot to add ponzi Jo to the list.

Originally Posted by Della Cate

I have a question. ...
Well, a lot, if not all of those people are now pushing other things, taking down pro-BB sites and acting as if BB was nothing to do with them.....despite the fact that 8 months, 6 months, 2 months, even 2 weeks ago, they were still trying to recruit people into BB.

... how do they explain themselves?

A very important point to raise!

This is why it is extremely to document the claims made by these people and who they are BEFORE they move on to the next scam. It is difficult to convince closed minded "victims" who trust the scammers but when you can show them a history of scams then they have only themselves to blame. That is one of the main reasons why Realscam is important. It provides information on the history. Raj and company have left a trail of scamming behind them . They may have changed identities and changed what websites say but Realscam has archived their wrong doings. And every piece of evidence adds to the pile.

Yesterday and today and probably all this week Bloomberg are featuring hours of programmes about Linkedin.
Bloomberg TV: Europe Program Schedule - Bloomberg
I watched it for a bit yesterday.
No mention of how they have basically ignored the fact that there are known frazudsters promoting all sort of scams e.g. Banners Broker and various other marketing scams on Linkedin which is supposed to be a "professional" network!

A load of waffle about "town Hall" meetings that listen to all people and act on that and how good they were for professionals. If they continue in the "fingers in my ears" mode with respect to enabling abusing fraudsters on their network I expect their stock will plummet. then it will be to late to act. But that is up to Linkedin. They can't say they weren't warned.

Originally Posted by baylee

Sorry, I forgot to add ponzi Jo to the list.

Do you include Soozi Scones on that list?

I looked at the claims she made about "evidence" and I have a deal of correspondence from her promising to show records of cancer cures and insisting she wasn't working for BB and has nothing to do with them but that it was a legit business. when pressed for actual evidence of either claim her tone changed to one of refusal to provide evidence and personal attacks.
In fact without knowing any of my expertise she claimed that only medical experts would be able to certify if the evidence she had ( medical records) were proof. I offered her some medics I know who were professors in the Royal college of surgeons. She insisted their expertise was not valid to the field. I offfered her another person I know who is a world leading expert in the field. I said I didn't even have to see the evidence that I trusted his expertise. My how her tone changed! All sorts of excuses about medical files being data protected. I pointed out the person was now dead and the legal quandaries she suggested were not valid but I was happy to refer to a legal expert I know also should she have any problems in this respect. She need not even waste any of her own time. all she need do is ask the unnamed doctor she claimed to have this evidence to send it on to the expert I proposed and ask her solicitor to contact the barrister I would recommend. A barrister can not be solicited by the public hence the need for the solicitor to "solicit". I was happy to handle all the barrister and medical experts expenses. Oddly she refused to supply the evidence or any evidence about Banners Broker being legitimate.

"How come that?" :) as a fisherman I knew was wont to say.

Originally Posted by Della Cate

I have a question. A genuine one, that I hope those more experienced with BB type "schemes" will be able to answer.

In January 2013 (and before) a number of people were pushing BB as a sure-fire thing; a great business opportunity, a chance to double your money for doing virtually nothing. I need not name them, we all know who they are. Anyone who even questioned the veracity of their claims were labelled as "haterz", as people who were too thick to understand BB, as people who had been thrown out of BB for naughty deeds and who therefore had an axe to grind, as "negative bloggers" who just wanted to drive traffic to their own sites (even if they didn't have a site to make money, but never let the truth get in the way of a good story, eh?).

Right?

Well, a lot, if not all of those people are now pushing other things, taking down pro-BB sites and acting as if BB was nothing to do with them.....despite the fact that 8 months, 6 months, 2 months, even 2 weeks ago, they were still trying to recruit people into BB.

But they are going to meetings, even inviting the same people they dragged into BB along to hear about a new venture - as if BB never existed!

Well, my question is this - and sincere apologies for my long run up to it - how do they explain themselves?

Have they no shame?

Does no-one ever ask about their involvement with BB, ask what happened to it and why they have changed? Does no-one say "Well, you dragged me into BB and that was a pile of cr*p, so on your bike with this one, pal!"

I suppose some people do, but I also suppose that there's a lot of vulnerable and hopeful and naive people out there as well.

Still puzzles me though. I would have thought that once you were bitten by something like this, you'd be doubly careful in the future.

Agree Della, it confuses me too! Take McCarthy for example, and before I proceed, I am a pacifist by nature and am not advocating violence, but knowing what we know, where this man lives, where his office is, did he have that extension built on his house? in my opinion, they take a huge risk as pushers of these scams. Yet, they seem to be able to con the money without consequence? The dogs on the streets know where the likes of McCarthy and Stepsys live, how many must frustrated and disgruntled individuals are there out there with easy access to these rogues? Regulation and the authorities seem to be sitting on their hands. There seems to be little evidence of any police force wanting to be pro active regarding individual complaints. Attempts to recoup monies from credit card companies seem to be hit and miss depending on each circumstance and again, anecdotal evidence only of refunds. Consumer groups seem to pass the buck. In other words, how can an alleged membership of 300,000 plus be so passive when it's quite clear that payments have not been made since Christmas 2012! surely many have lost life savings to this scam?

How can they walk their communities with impunity, promoting scheme after scheme? Internet related schemes where even the most basic of due diligence shows enough red flags to scare anyone away, yet people continue to sign up with them! These promoters seem invincible and I can only imagine that it is this invincibility that keeps them signing up?! Is it that the lack of action from the very same agencies that we expect as citizens to protect us from scammers rogues and con men, inadvertently giving credibility to them?

Hope I am making it clear what I am trying to say here ! Frustrated!

Originally Posted by Brenda

Agree Della, it confuses me too! Take McCarthy for example, and before I proceed, I am a pacifist by nature and am not advocating violence, but knowing what we know, where this man lives, where his office is, did he have that extension built on his house? in my opinion, they take a huge risk as pushers of these scams. Yet, they seem to be able to con the money without consequence? The dogs on the streets know where the likes of McCarthy and Stepsys live, how many must frustrated and disgruntled individuals are there out there with easy access to these rogues? Regulation and the authorities seem to be sitting on their hands. There seems to be little evidence of any police force wanting to be pro active regarding individual complaints. Attempts to recoup monies from credit card companies seem to be hit and miss depending on each circumstance and again, anecdotal evidence only of refunds. Consumer groups seem to pass the buck. In other words, how can an alleged membership of 300,000 plus be so passive when it's quite clear that payments have not been made since Christmas 2012! surely many have lost life savings to this scam?

How can they walk their communities with impunity, promoting scheme after scheme? Internet related schemes where even the most basic of due diligence shows enough red flags to scare anyone away, yet people continue to sign up with them! These promoters seem invincible and I can only imagine that it is this invincibility that keeps them signing up?! Is it that the lack of action from the very same agencies that we expect as citizens to protect us from scammers rogues and con men, inadvertently giving credibility to them?

Hope I am making it clear what I am trying to say here ! Frustrated!

There aren't enough "police" in the country to track down and prosecute every one of these promoters.For every one they get there are 100 new ones starting up. A large part of the success of these promoters are the affiliates themselves who blindly follow these promoters from one failed venture into another. As you state, with a little bit of checking out any new HYIP or by googling these promoters you will see all kinds of red flags, yet they join them anyway. Then when they don't get paid scream scam and want authorities to do something. There are a lot of people who get conned and truly are victims but there are also hundreds of thousands who scream scam on their posts yet advertise a scam on the same post. Go figure.

Originally Posted by Beacon

Do you include Soozi Scones on that list?

I looked at the claims she made about "evidence" and I have a deal of correspondence from her promising to show records of cancer cures and insisting she wasn't working for BB and has nothing to do with them but that it was a legit business. when pressed for actual evidence of either claim her tone changed to one of refusal to provide evidence and personal attacks.
In fact without knowing any of my expertise she claimed that only medical experts would be able to certify if the evidence she had ( medical records) were proof. I offered her some medics I know who were professors in the Royal college of surgeons. She insisted their expertise was not valid to the field. I offfered her another person I know who is a world leading expert in the field. I said I didn't even have to see the evidence that I trusted his expertise. My how her tone changed! All sorts of excuses about medical files being data protected. I pointed out the person was now dead and the legal quandaries she suggested were not valid but I was happy to refer to a legal expert I know also should she have any problems in this respect. She need not even waste any of her own time. all she need do is ask the unnamed doctor she claimed to have this evidence to send it on to the expert I proposed and ask her solicitor to contact the barrister I would recommend. A barrister can not be solicited by the public hence the need for the solicitor to "solicit". I was happy to handle all the barrister and medical experts expenses. Oddly she refused to supply the evidence or any evidence about Banners Broker being legitimate.

"How come that?" :) as a fisherman I knew was wont to say.

My only memory of her is where she was attacking poyol here so I googled her and from what I have seen I would think she fits.

How can they walk their communities with impunity, promoting scheme after scheme?

Walk? Are you kidding me? They don't walk, they drive the new Porsche....

I wonder if Peter Waterfield, the British swimmer, has sussed out that Banners Broker is a scam yet?

The following is some NZ news shared to the downline of Mike Leitch-Heggie right here in NZ, thoughts from you all are welcome as I have been trying to ask him for information via email and he refuses to discuss bb unless it is over the phone....I smell a rat?? why on earth does he want to avoid anything in writing ....and if he knows bb is a scam then where on earth are his morals and concern for the poor folk in his downline who have been ripped off........This one is personal for me as Mike is the upline I have been wanting to connect with as he is responsible for the personal friends of mine who were 'brain washed', ....thoughts for next action from you all???????????? and when is it time to alert his employer (a business developer for a reputable company) to know the calibre of their business developer?????


"Subject: BB News this week
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2013 19:43:23 +1200

Hi BB people, with BB’s World Tour Conference coming up later this week, I thought it would be good timing to keep all of you updated. We have been researching BB, learning as much information as possible and looking out for all NZ affiliates since day one. Recently, we temporarily postponed the BB Opportunity meetings, Nuts & Bolts trainings and the Coffee Club meets primarily due to the slow payout process and BB getting way behind in paying people. BB are not proud of the fact that they have got behind in payouts, they realise how hard we have worked to grow our accounts and build BB’s client base world wide.

They have been hard at work over the last few months to provide a much better payout system similar to the previous BB MasterCard preferred option, that worked very well for us all.

We are looking forward to some news about payouts and the way forward from the conference in Niagara Falls this weekend, to enable BB to become a major player in the online advertising market.



I suggest.....Keep working on your accounts and keep them optimised each day.....and have a good read of the document attached from the UK BB Chat roomJ

Talk to you all soon...kind regards Mike "

Oh boy!! end.jpgyou Just blew a fuse in my head with that post Nourjan.

BB's facebook page has just gone mental. All negative comments have been removed and new notices have been put up. All payments will be done tomorrow apparently!
BB FB NOTICE.JPGbb notice.JPG
People are posting every minute or so...unbelieveable!

Originally Posted by HARRISON

BB's facebook page has just gone mental. All negative comments have been removed and new notices have been put up. All payments will be done tomorrow apparently!
BB FB NOTICE.JPGbb notice.JPG
People are posting every minute or so...unbelieveable!

Blimey, Harrison, I see what you mean!

Last post 15th March - now a flurry of activity!

Who has rattled the BB cage, I wonder?

Here is the latest (I think) from the "BB Team" on the BB FB page. It is a cut and paste:-

Thank you for all the positive comments and encouragement to the new Facebook team, please let us outline how things will work on this page in future;

We do not have access to the support system, so messages about personal support will be replied with a standard answer to contact support on the details in the back office.

On tidying up the comments, we noticed a lot of affiliates who are struggling to access their account - we would advise to call the international number between the times provided and your issue will be resolved.

We understand there is a huge delay in processing payments. While we also understand the terrible inconvenience this has caused, please try to keep this page as a positive resource for affiliates to use and not to post things that could jeopardise your BB account. Chris and the team are working hard behind the scenes and as Chris said on the latest Q and A "Payments will be honoured".

We would also ask that affiliates keep themselves informed with the latest information - this can be found though the BB dashboard, this Facebook page and also the Friday Q and A call - you can register by following this link, http://bit.ly/BBFridayQandA. We will also post replay links here to help make things easier for you.

We are aware that communication has been an issue for some time, but we also know that it can not be fixed overnight - please bear with us while we make continual improvements. As and when there are important updates from Chris and the team, they will be posted here.

Thank you for your support, BB Facebook Team.

And here's a selection of comments (screenshot):-

BB FB Sept.jpg

One of the people commenting is Jens Holvoet - now, wasn't he a big BB player, or have I muddled that up? 'Cos he does not sound too happy to me!

Holvoet Sept.jpg

Now here's an interesting open FB group, called "Banners Winning"

https://www.facebook.com/groups/5123...99073/members/

Can you spot some familiar faces amongst the members? I can. Step forwards:-

Jamie Waters
Angela Juanita Delorme
Ash Campbell
Martin Codack
Mike Briggs

Can someone get screenshots before they all vanish?

Originally Posted by Gregg

Walk? Are you kidding me? They don't walk, they drive the new Porsche....

Don't you mean porches .

Originally Posted by Della Cate

Now here's an interesting open FB group, called "Banners Winning"

https://www.facebook.com/groups/5123...99073/members/

Can you spot some familiar faces amongst the members? I can. Step forwards:-

Jamie Waters
Angela Juanita Delorme
Ash Campbell
Martin Codack
Mike Briggs

Can someone get screenshots before they all vanish?

Well from mmg, it seems that SP/BB have started selling affiiliate details to other scams. Or that some of the top guys have stolen the database to poach members in to their new scams.
Hooker and Pirie are spamming the emails of affiliates, and trying to recruit them.
Even email addresses set up Only for BB have received this spam.
It was only a matter of time before the personal and confidential information demanded by SP/BB was farmed for profit.
The amount of personal details these criminals have on affiliates, is enough to for identity theft.
So, the confidential email details have been used for a new scam.
CC details next?

Originally Posted by Jerrygo

CC details next?

Anyone who used a credit card to access anything to do with Banners Broker would be well advised to keep a very close eye on their transaction statement/s.

It is not unusual for members of a collapsed HYIP to report small deductions being taken from their card over an extended period.

This is particularly relevant in the case of Banners Broker where members have given specific permission for Banners Broker to hand off membership details to third parties.

Originally Posted by Jerrygo

Well from mmg, it seems that SP/BB have started selling affiiliate details to other scams. Or that some of the top guys have stolen the database to poach members in to their new scams.
Hooker and Pirie are spamming the emails of affiliates, and trying to recruit them.
Even email addresses set up Only for BB have received this spam.
It was only a matter of time before the personal and confidential information demanded by SP/BB was farmed for profit.
The amount of personal details these criminals have on affiliates, is enough to for identity theft.
So, the confidential email details have been used for a new scam.
CC details next?

does this not open up a new can of worms under the data protection act? If Hooker is writing directly to BB affiliates, he is crossing a DP line. Oh, the irony, getting away with conning individuals of their money, getting done for using others details without their permission!