Thread: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam

You sure that electric bill isnt because he is doing an electric mlm/network type thing?
Ive seen that many times w/US company called Ambit (MLM/utilities)

Did you all know that 1 in 3 of you will DIE from heart disease? Cheery thought eh? But don't worry. Super Al to the rescue! He can save you, AND sell to you, all in the same little bottle. St. Al

A REAL Solution to Reduce Your Risk of Heart Disease - YouTube

Originally Posted by HARRISON

Did you all know that 1 in 3 of you will DIE from heart disease? Cheery thought eh? But don't worry. Super Al to the rescue! He can save you, AND sell to you, all in the same little bottle. St. Al

A REAL Solution to Reduce Your Risk of Heart Disease - YouTube

Harrison...take a look the sky when he started to speak..still blue..then when he finished playing Dr.Oz...totally gray...you can see it as a pure symbolick...as dear God said - Now it's 2 much..get lost -

Originally Posted by HARRISON

Did you all know that 1 in 3 of you will DIE from heart disease? Cheery thought eh? But don't worry. Super Al to the rescue! He can save you, AND sell to you, all in the same little bottle. St. Al

A REAL Solution to Reduce Your Risk of Heart Disease - YouTube

Whoopie Doo...! Another miracle supplement. Wonder how many people end up in ICU telling themselves they can't possibly be dying because they took this or that miracle cure...!

Originally Posted by ribshaw

Would like to see this Joe. Reminds me of all the trading rooms circa 1999. Buy a bunch of stock, tell your followers what you just bought, and sell them your supply as they rush to buy.

Going slightly off the BB topic here, I also would like to see a new imarketslive thread. MMG has already got one - only 2 pages - which is quite informative:-

Imarketslive - Imarketslive.com

Anyway, apologies for wandering off topic, if a new thread is started, can you let me know please? I'd be interested to see what happens to this venture given that (1) the usual BB suspects of Stepsys, Lamberts, Waters, James etc seem to be involved, and (2) from what little I have read it sounds like typical BB-style gobbledegook!

Originally Posted by Della Cate

Going slightly off the BB topic here, I also would like to see a new imarketslive thread. MMG has already got one - only 2 pages - which is quite informative:-

Imarketslive - Imarketslive.com

Anyway, apologies for wandering off topic, if a new thread is started, can you let me know please? I'd be interested to see what happens to this venture given that (1) the usual BB suspects of Stepsys, Lamberts, Waters, James etc seem to be involved, and (2) from what little I have read it sounds like typical BB-style gobbledegook!

Excellent off topic post "Della Carte". I looked at the first MMG post and wondered what the people who really understand trading would make of it. Can't do better than to recommend traders at MotleyFool.

I doubt if methods advocated by BB and their gurus would pass the "MotleyFool smell test." I have the MotleyFool link for UK but it is .com for US and there are other version for other countries.

MotleyFool UK

(*) BB Friday Q&A Webinar 8/30/13

Chris Smith speaking:

Good day! I apologize for the late start. Things are rocking and rolling over here.

A couple of announcements. We are aware of the panel movements. There has been a minor problem on our end. The way the engine works, an engine run, sort of a time. when it runs it is supposed to move the bar across and cap if it's time for that. At the end of the panel run sometimes it just doesn't move or "cap". There could be several reason why this has happened. We have over 70,000 people logged in every day and so every time the engine runs it's competing with those logins. There was a glitch this week, which prevented the engine from completing it's run. When we figure out why and fix this, you will see those panels move to where they should be.

Current payouts - I did promise last couple of weeks that we would try to do a payout. Then Mark was on last weeks call. We have been so busy that we are behind. But this weekend we will do a run. Those who have not gotten paid will be paid first, then we go back to date order.

Officially, we are looking at an October launch for BB 3.0. No specific date, but we believe and are confident that we will be ready to go within the month of October. This includes the new payout solution for BB.

I have mentioned that there are more changes coming. We will not be doing any type of business where you sit back and have money fall from the sky. This is not an investment. This is a business opportunity. If you want to work hard at it, you will be rewarded with your income, as such. You will be shown what you can do to make your business better. In the coming weeks we will have more official announcements. I do not want there to be any surprises. BB cannot be deemed as a passive income program, and most of you know why. We have to remain compliant in all countries.

This is a system that we have modeled after the Google program, adsense and adwords. Publisher/advertiser. Combine the two, with referrals, and you have the new BB. We combine all that together and we will have a very good affiliate program.

Because of the way we put the package together, we have come under some scrutiny. So one thing we need to make sure is that we are not feeding into the negativity out there. BB is not an investment.

On the screen Chris showed something new - Banner Click Incentive.
(he explained this in some detail - please listen to the replay for details) Basically, by clicking on the glowing banner you can earn additional traffic. This is just one aspect of adding more ways.. you will see more things like this in BB 3.0.

Q&A

How many times can we click on the same banner? Only once as far as getting the bonus incentive traffic.

Pending payments will be honored? YEs. We have talked about the order in which we will do that.

I am getting a lot of positive emails. This is comforting to hear.

Version 3 - a change: Geneology compression. We have meant to do this over the years, however it is built into version 3. Person A brings in Person B, who brings in Person C. Person A pays and Person C pays, but Person B never does anything. Sales credits in the past have just sat in the account of Person B. So the way it will work is, Person B has 30 days from the time that Person C registers to upgrade. If Person B does not upgrade within 30 days, then Person C will then be linked to Person A. After 30 days, this change will be permanent, even if Person B later upgrades.

(he explained this in detail - please watch/listen to the replay video)

Engine Run question - someone suggested closing BB for one hour a day to run the engine. Chris said this only happens very rarely, so we do not want to do that. We are very close to BB 3.0 which will solve that problem.

Why do you have to put a PIN to use click incentive? To prevent multiple clicks (using bots) so we are trying to make sure it's really humans doing the click incentive. Many companies do this often, even Gmail, to make sure you are human.

Traffic Packs in Version 3.0? I will be honest, we will make an announcement. They may go and they may stay. There is a possibility they will not be there. Please keep in mind that one of the passive income indicators pointed to traffic packs. We will make an announcement on that shortly.

A lot of great comments in the question box.

How is BB support going in Belize? Support is going great. They are on the ball and thanks to our trainer in Belize making sure it's up to par. Tickets are being responded to, and are working great during the transition. Thanks to the support team in Belize. We have a North American number, a UK number, European number, all ringing in Belize. There is still a fee for standard and premium members for calling in. This has not been changed yet. Executive line is still available for those members in your back office.

There's a few questions I don't want to touch yet. We are formalizing in the final moments what will be in BB 3.0. We are getting this all completed now. Some components don't have a firm decision yet. We are making these decision together with the other BB leaders. We do not want to announce something that is not ready to be received. You may not be happy with everything, but I can assure you I am an open minded person and do have discussions with the key leaders of BB and we will be doign something that ensures we are here for a long time.

I am not going anywhere guys. It took a while to get here. Good Programmers are hard to find, but we did find very good ones. We have brought people together from other companies, and now we have a solid team. We are happy and proud with what we have. Version 3 is a result of all that hard work. A lot of the ideas weren't even my ideas, but were the ideas of the programmers. We have a great team. Not only the programming team, but the management team as well, all the leaders out there.

One final announcement. I am truly going to try to address the BB communication (or lack thereof). We are going to step it up one notch higher to get a dedicated person who is only on communication. I hear this all the time that we do not communicate.. not enough tweets, not enough Facebook, not enough dashboard commmunication. this is one thing we have been behind on. I want to announce that we want to in the next couple of weeks take on someone who is dedicated to this one task. I am aware that this needs to be stepped up to the plate and communicate better. I would like to address this and do much better in the future.

Thank you for coming to the call. The future is bright. Thank you for staying with BB. We have had some challenges, but it means alot to me that you are on the call and sticking with BB. I look forward to the next phase of BB.

(end of webinar)
(summary notes prepared by Linda Lane and are not official BB transcripts)

Originally Posted by Newto

(*) BB Friday Q&A Webinar 8/30/13

A couple of announcements.
There has been a minor problem on our end.
...There was a glitch this week,

More excuses for no payouts.

Current payouts - we are behind.

BB 3.0. No specific date,

So much for Strategic management and target setting

This is not an investment.
BB cannot be deemed as a passive income program, and most of you know why. We have to remain compliant in all countries.

Bullshit about compliance. No BB people have any experience or qualification in it. No actual compliance regulations are ever quoted . and BB was SET UP as a passive income and they changed the terms and conditions which is breach of contract.

Version 3 - a change: Geneology compression.

If someone in the pyramid is fed up being bilked and wont pay any more then we eliminate them and pretend the next level down is being "promoted" when in reality they will also just be paying in and getting almost nothing token payments in return.

Please keep in mind that one of the passive income indicators pointed to traffic packs. We will make an announcement on that shortly.

so they do have passive income after all? Despite their constant reminders about "compliance" Full of contradictions.

How is BB support going in Belize? Support is going great. They are on the ball and thanks to our trainer in Belize making sure it's up to par.

Just no names of staff, no photos of offices there, no qualifications or background of the staff running their worldwide operation?

I am not going anywhere guys.

And people should believe you Chris ( who also provides no actual verifiable background in experience or qualifications)
because???

One final announcement. I am truly going to try to address the BB communication

So you are going to get another non qualified Terry Stern or some other waffler to churn out more excuses ..."compliance blah blah ...be patient..blah...not a passive income...blah blah ... glitch...blah...database error... be patient... oh and blind network"

I'll attempt to summarise the latest webinar, just to save us all the time and bother of reading the woffle above (but thanks to Newto for posting it):-

There was a computer glitch which we need to sort - but it slowed panels down;
Sorry we are behind, but payments are going out this weekend with those who have not been paid yet going first;
BB V 3 is on its way with some changes!
Traffic packs may go (or they may not);
There's now a "click incentive";
Support is going well in Belize;
We are going to try to communicate better in future;
We are listening to all your comments;
BB isn't going anywhere, we are in it for the long haul, the future is bright, thank you for continuing to believe in us!

That about it?

The same stuff that was said last Friday....and the Friday before that....and before that....and before that..........yawn.....felling a bit tired now.....heard it all before.........

Originally Posted by Della Cate

I'll attempt to summarise the latest webinar, just to save us all the time and bother of reading the woffle above (but thanks to Newto for posting it):-

There was a computer glitch which we need to sort - but it slowed panels down;
Sorry we are behind, but payments are going out this weekend with those who have not been paid yet going first;
BB V 3 is on its way with some changes!
Traffic packs may go (or they may not);
There's now a "click incentive";
Support is going well in Belize;
We are going to try to communicate better in future;
We are listening to all your comments;
BB isn't going anywhere, we are in it for the long haul, the future is bright, thank you for continuing to believe in us!

That about it?

The same stuff that was said last Friday....and the Friday before that....and before that....and before that..........yawn.....felling a bit tired now.....heard it all before.........

You forgot to mention the most important:

"Things are rocking and rolling over here"

Originally Posted by Newto

You forgot to mention the most important:

"Things are rocking and rolling over here"

He just left out the fact they were having an earthquake.

...and what about Geneology compression? 'THATS NOT EVEN A WORD'!

Originally Posted by HARRISON

...and what about Geneology compression? 'THATS NOT EVEN A WORD'!

...but sounds good..it's said to impress..people will say..wow..Chris is genius,we do not understand what does it mean but Chris does so he is men of knowledge,he is the saver

Hi all, it seems this affiliate did not get the memo about not posting e-wallet pictures or gloating about amounts of profit for no work, he even admits to trying ponzis but not usually making much from them...but bb was different??. Can someone put a pic of this site up before he deletes it
Banners Broker | Simon Cartwright

Originally Posted by kiwichick

Hi all, it seems this affiliate did not get the memo about not posting e-wallet pictures or gloating about amounts of profit for no work, he even admits to trying ponzis but not usually making much from them...but bb was different??. Can someone put a pic of this site up before he deletes it
Banners Broker | Simon Cartwright

One wonders if Mr Cartwright will save a copy of his page to prove to his grandchildren what a financial guru he was.

Originally Posted by littleroundman

One wonders if Mr Cartwright will save a copy of his page to prove to his grandchildren what a financial guru he was.

This clown's Gday is in reality Good Night! Talk about bottom feeders, Webster has his picture beside it.

wonder if simon's book "pathways to success" has a chapter on ponzi's???
and thanks LRM

Originally Posted by littleroundman

One wonders if Mr Cartwright will save a copy of his page to prove to his grandchildren what a financial guru he was.

Great business. He's put in $715 and can withdraw $505. Those are the only numbers that count.

I would think a "business coach" would check the grammar and composition in his blog or articles prior to publishing. It looks like it was written by a 4th grader.

Originally Posted by Ken Roklin

Great business. He's put in $715 and can withdraw $505. Those are the only numbers that count.

I would think a "business coach" would check the grammar and composition in his blog or articles prior to publishing. It looks like it was written by a 4th grader.

I doubt he will see anything of this 505 $ and if,in the best case scenario,maybe 100 but even this would be a miracle - so the only number that counts is 715 and if he get excited again,maybe even more

Finally...we can all pack up and go home. 'Answers' has the answer:
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BB, proudly endorsed by answers.com - that's even less credibility than BBB accreditation !

Over on MMG we have this, courtesy of Scamassasin007:-

BREAKING NEWS: BB SKYPE ROOM REPORTS: Communications from Mark Ghobril, where much of the planted pro BB rumors are coming from:

[31/08/2013 04:29:22] Mark Ghobril: Team, I have a statement to make......Understand that I am trying my best to pass on information as I know it. I am NOT BB and this program has been destroyed by BB, the affiliates and online bloggers. I have been saying this for a while. I will be posting the document shortly. In the meantime.....the program will be undergoing changes. I still believe it will be one of the best programs, but they will have many other things to take the place of traffic packs. I encourage all of us to patiently wait and see what BB will have in store. Realize that as with ANY online programs we all assume risks for the programs we enter into. I suggest we all wait till Chris decides exactly how BB will proceed and then we can make decisions. Priority remains to get people back the initial money and Chris is absolutely committed to that. In the meantime, certain individuals in BB have now targeted affiliates like myself and are implicating me in the "scam". I have decided to diversify because this is now how I make my living and have for the past 2 years. That does not mean I am in ANY way abandoning you or banners Broker. I personally feel that one needs to master 1 business first, however at the moment that can be tough with BB and I understand that this is not a good time to bring people into BB. I promised you all I would be upfront and tell you if I thought there were any information I knew. At this point the notes below are as much as I know. I must tell you I am very interested in how they are going to make the transition to the new program. I must say that a lot of us including myself, if we are honest, have become lazy in terms of "do nothing, make money". Yes, I realize in the beginning I stated that......I truly realize that this was indeed a great program. We will patiently wait to see what version 3 will bring and I suggest we not jump to any conclusions before Chris has a chance to announce the plan. I know the decisions that Chris has to make are NOT easy ones and I know that we are NOT going to like what they are. But we must face facts, due to various reasons, if BB is to survive long terms they need to be made. Version 3 is what will generate a lot of additional revenue and allow us all to get paid. Remember this 400,000 affiliates together will make BB strong. Lets hold thoughts until the news is out.

[31/08/2013 04:29:44] Mark Ghobril: BB has not made any decisions on traffic packs at this point just to be clear.

Do we see just the tiniest bit of backpedaling there, Mr Ghobril ??

Replying to Della Cate's post on Mark Ghobril

Priority remains to get people back the initial money and Chris is absolutely committed to that.

I wonder if Chris Smith thinks that if he does that, the heat will be off? Silly man.

Originally Posted by Della Cate

Over on MMG we have this, courtesy of Scamassasin007:-

BREAKING NEWS: BB SKYPE ROOM REPORTS: Communications from Mark Ghobril, where much of the planted pro BB rumors are coming from:

[31/08/2013 04:29:22] Mark Ghobril: Team, I have a statement to make......Understand that I am trying my best to pass on information as I know it. I am NOT BB and this program has been destroyed by BB, the affiliates and online bloggers. I have been saying this for a while. I will be posting the document shortly. In the meantime.....the program will be undergoing changes. I still believe it will be one of the best programs, but they will have many other things to take the place of traffic packs. I encourage all of us to patiently wait and see what BB will have in store. Realize that as with ANY online programs we all assume risks for the programs we enter into. I suggest we all wait till Chris decides exactly how BB will proceed and then we can make decisions. Priority remains to get people back the initial money and Chris is absolutely committed to that. In the meantime, certain individuals in BB have now targeted affiliates like myself and are implicating me in the "scam". I have decided to diversify because this is now how I make my living and have for the past 2 years. That does not mean I am in ANY way abandoning you or banners Broker. I personally feel that one needs to master 1 business first, however at the moment that can be tough with BB and I understand that this is not a good time to bring people into BB. I promised you all I would be upfront and tell you if I thought there were any information I knew. At this point the notes below are as much as I know. I must tell you I am very interested in how they are going to make the transition to the new program. I must say that a lot of us including myself, if we are honest, have become lazy in terms of "do nothing, make money". Yes, I realize in the beginning I stated that......I truly realize that this was indeed a great program. We will patiently wait to see what version 3 will bring and I suggest we not jump to any conclusions before Chris has a chance to announce the plan. I know the decisions that Chris has to make are NOT easy ones and I know that we are NOT going to like what they are. But we must face facts, due to various reasons, if BB is to survive long terms they need to be made. Version 3 is what will generate a lot of additional revenue and allow us all to get paid. Remember this 400,000 affiliates together will make BB strong. Lets hold thoughts until the news is out.

[31/08/2013 04:29:44] Mark Ghobril: BB has not made any decisions on traffic packs at this point just to be clear.

"This program has been destroyed by BB, the affiliates and online bloggers" In other words, Grobhil is lily white, it's everyone else's fault. Frankly, there is only one reason that they haven't and won't be paying back the initial 'investment' monies, it's not there and there is no income stream coming in, Chris has siphoned off his own pot, and he ain't sharing that anytime soon!

"I still believe it will be one of the best programs" What's a program? Is a bank a program? A factory, a bakery? What kind of business is a program? ( Rhetorical question) Surely he means one of the best scams?

"I suggest that we all wait til Chris decides exactly how BB will proceed" Chris hasn't got a clue what to do next. The evidence of what BB is and always was is there in bucket loads on the net. A four year old would tell you leopards don't change their spots and no investigation into BB could miss that.

Since when is the survival of BB bigger than it's 'investors'? What is this pretendy need that BB must survive at all costs?

For anyone reading who may be wishing , hoping or indeed I dare say some are praying that BB will provide them with income, be warned, that is not Chris Smith ' rocking and rolling' but indeed, Chris Smith ducking and diving!