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    Re: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam

    Taken from MMG:

    Looks like selling pre-owned panels is becoming the latest craze. shock1.gif

    Yes! I agree with you


    Of course the drones have to sell amongst each other...BB is no longer paying most people.

    The people actually buying these panels must not have 2 brain cells to rub together.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nourjan View Post
    Does this means that there will no longer be any posts by any shills at MMG or do just mean the poster by the name of Shilling who got banned?
    "Shilling" is the username

    If the MMG HYIP ponzi forum banned shills, it would cease to exist
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nourjan View Post
    Does this means that there will no longer be any posts by any shills at MMG or do just mean the poster by the name of Shilling who got banned?
    There will always be shills posting on MMG. The site wouldn't survive without them.

    And don't worry, shilling will be back under another name. This isn't the first time. It is actually better for our cause if he stays on. He is a great advert NOT to join BB. The likes of him on MMG and 'the jew' on scam.com would turn anyone off joining the scam. Thats why I would never report them.

    The same can be said for Berry Greenstein on TG. That person was one of the greatest helps to our cause. They fabricated a letter from Mastercard(under a different name). That did untold damage to BB. That was probably the greatest own-goal of the shills.
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    Realscam back on page 2. Annoying. People don't actually look past the first page.
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    Shilling may have got banned for having multiple IDs.
    He seemed to get a little annoyed when I put him on my ignore list & suggested others do the same.
    He immediately came back with another ID IanMcCashrill this time posting in a green bold font instead of the usual bold red.
    Hopefully IanMcCashrill will also be banned.

    If Simon Stepsys or Mark Ghobril are involved it's 100% a SCAM!

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    Quote Originally Posted by noname999 View Post
    Realscam back on page 2. Annoying. People don't actually look past the first page.
    It matters not "how" it happens.

    The point is, it's happening.

    Quite frankly, we couldn't care less if REALSCAM.com gets any or all of the credit.

    The point is, Banners Broker IS on it's last legs, the number of newbies enrolling IS dropping and, we KNOW the shills, pimps, forum lizards and HYIP ponzi promoters read every word that's posted here.

    Slow and steady wins the race

    In six months time, we'll still be here and Banners Broker will be nothing but a bad memory.
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    Very true.

    Although, don't really care about the shills reading it. There is actually nothing to be gained from that. Its the innocents that might get something out of it.
    Last edited by noname999; 10-20-2012 at 07:40 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe_Shmoe View Post
    Shilling may have got banned for having multiple IDs.
    He seemed to get a little annoyed when I put him on my ignore list & suggested others do the same.
    He immediately came back with another ID IanMcCashrill this time posting in a green bold font instead of the usual bold red.
    Hopefully IanMcCashrill will also be banned.
    LOL, you're right. I just went over and looked and they/he are banned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noname999 View Post
    Realscam back on page 2. Annoying. People don't actually look past the first page.
    If you Google search is banners broker a ponzi scheme 1st page 6th result down the page.

    If Simon Stepsys or Mark Ghobril are involved it's 100% a SCAM!

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    Talk about dumb, schilling even announced in his post he was going to create a new ID, and I quote:

    "I can feel a change of ip address coming on! Running away, are ya?"

    But then Festa never was that smart. He just "thinks" he is.
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    I must be missing something. I don't get why they closed the thread at MMG. There have been other threads that the name-calling and personal attacks were far worse and didn't close, so why now? I thought the thread was doing nicely with the give and take there.

    It sure would be nice to know the real reason why. Might shock some if they knew.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreamstealer View Post
    Actually unearned income has a different meaning for tax (it means investment income). There are loads of examples of where tax is due on income not yet received (in fact this is the ONLY legal way to do it in the uk). There are also loads of examples where tax is paid even where no sale has been complete- this is the correct treatment of long term contracts.

    If a BBer put in £1000 on day 1, and the value doubled every 3 months, with 50% being reinvested, then after a year there would be earnings of £4000 and the BB er would have put £4000 into the ewallet and possibly (but not relevant for tax) withdrawn it. Tax is due on £4000. If he had let the panels roll over 100% then he would have earnings of £15,000 and have put zero into his ewallet. Well done you clever BBer you have made £15000 that you need to pay tax on and have drawn out £Nothing to pay the tax bill.

    The logical conclusion if you think it is a business is that the correct strategy is to withdraw as much as possible.

    Of course this is a simplification- there are charges in BB that would be tax allowable and other expenses outside of BB that could get allowed.

    In reality though, no-one in BB will pay tax as it is a ponzi. I was shown a page on Talking Big Bull where half a dozen people had spoken to accountants that advised as i have here. The consensus of non-accountants seemed to be however that no tax was due. Presumably because they didn't want to pay any. As has previously been stated the average BBer who still actively promotes is an idiot or a crook. Either of these could explain their opinions on tax.

    Thanks, Dreamstealer. Very informative. Interesting point: There was one BBer guy Phil Hendy who used to frequent the form who was an accountant by day, and he always used to try to convince other members that they all needed to sort the tax position out so that they would be playing everything legitimately. The rest didnt agree that this was so important and eventually they ganged up on him. Then one day back in July, JW banned the guy from the forum without warning. I saw that he'd tweeted JW asking him why he'd been banned, but dont think he got a reply..

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    Shilling just turned up on TG. But my advice is to ignore him. If someone is joined there it might be an idea to tell the other posters the same.

    I see he is trying to draw Randy out. Hopefully he won't take the bait.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EagleOne View Post
    I must be missing something. I don't get why they closed the thread at MMG. There have been other threads that the name-calling and personal attacks were far worse and didn't close, so why now? I thought the thread was doing nicely with the give and take there.

    It sure would be nice to know the real reason why. Might shock some if they knew.
    Probably saw that the doubters have won the battle and its not good for business.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EagleOne View Post
    I must be missing something. I don't get why they closed the thread at MMG. There have been other threads that the name-calling and personal attacks were far worse and didn't close, so why now? I thought the thread was doing nicely with the give and take there.

    It sure would be nice to know the real reason why. Might shock some if they knew.
    Easy.

    Too many good points were being made, too much logic was being used and too many members were revealing too much truth about the state of the Banners Broker (non) payments
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    Quote Originally Posted by littleroundman View Post
    Easy.

    Too many good points were being made, too much logic was being used and too many members were revealing too much truth about the state of the Banners Broker (non) payments
    I assume shilling will try to have the TG thread shut down as well for the same reason.
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    It looks like Talkingbb Forum cheerleader Soozi has deleted a lot of acounts in an attempt to keep the moles out, and keep the faithful happy.

    By the way, has anybody taken a look at Soozi's Charity site, where you can make Donations to save peoples lives?



    I assume ALL of this goes to charity?

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    I thought I'd write up a piece on Banners Broker for my blog, which has quite a large following, and a fair chunk more credibility than the existing blog shills out there.

    Banners Broker Scam – Don’t Let It Affect You « Finch Sells

    Take a read if you fancy.

    Hopefully it stops a few more investors from joining.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Martin88 View Post
    I thought I'd write up a piece on Banners Broker for my blog, which has quite a large following, and a fair chunk more credibility than the existing blog shills out there.

    Banners Broker Scam – Don’t Let It Affect You « Finch Sells

    Take a read if you fancy.

    Hopefully it stops a few more investors from joining.
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    Well, MMG's BB thread is now open again. Wonder how long before Ian shows up and tries to give the illusion he is sitting on the fence playing his word games? I'll bet that when he does post, he will mention me somehow.
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    Hi Guys - I have been following this thread with extreme interest over the last few weeks; however, having had a name check above I thought I better make a comment!

    Firstly the issue of TalkingBB - I got banned twice having been given a 'second chance'. Effectively I was a dead man walking in there as it was inevitable I would get banned again. The banning was done by Soozi who had a major vendetta against me. The first was because I appeared negative as I was questioning a few of the issues that were being talked about. Questions, in an attempt to gain a better understanding of the 'system'. Having tweeted Jamie and Paul they both agreed this banning was unfair and gave me a second chance. They did say not to give accounting 'advice' on the forums as it was against their rules.

    I therefore avoided any dealings with Soozi and was contributing regularly, chipping in with the odd comments; however, it was the discussion over the word 'investment' that got me banned. Basically anytime anyone used the word they were jumped upon. I tried to explain the context of the word and how people were merely stating what their capital contribution was to this 'business'! No one was saying it was an investment scheme etc.

    Soozi is basically a horrible, vindictive and downright nasty person judging by the content, tone and nature of the email exchanges that we had. I still have them here and am prepared to use them as evidence of that if necessary. She does not like a sensible discussion and everything has to be happy and glorious in the world of BB or else they are out.

    I think it is interesting to note that at my time of banning I had a positive 'karma' (Talk BB's former forum rating system). Given that I know I received a lot of negatives I must also have received a good number of positive to net that off! I also had about 170 posts and was fourth highest contributor at the time.

    I wouldn't worry about Paul Brown, he obviously set the forum up as Ian Driscolls lackie. Jamie Waters is effectively the ringmaster there; although he has made a notable absence recently. Since some of the recent payout issues he has been extremely quiet and sheepish. Some of the notable contributors, David Huskey and Alan Howard are also changing their attitudes.

    So - on to Banners Broker. I am a member, have been since January; however, I am of the opinion that once I have enough withdrawal to take out my initial investment I will be gone. I am still not 100% sure whether it is a Ponzi or not; however, there are certain things that point it that way. The main one being the lack of true advertisers. I have been on various external sites (outside the choice network) to see what ads are showing there. There just doesn't seem to be any genuine, decent size advertisers out there. Often the banners are linking to a plain green 'buy this space' advert. Effectively it comes down to the numbers not adding up.

    On the above it is also worth noting that very few affiliates ever talk about how great the advertising campaigns are and how that works for them. It is always about how much they have made or are making - yet this is not an investment!

    Anyone that has seen previous posts on forums will know that I have been using a traffic pack only route. I dare not invite or refer anyone as a complaint against me would potentially result in my losing my accreditation with ACCA - something that took me a long time to ascertain and achieve.

    Certain other things that have happened recently i.e. 1/4 sales credit mean that referrers need to get more money in i.e. inject more people/ capital into it. That has virtually nailed it for me. They need more people buying packages so that money is in the system. Despite this not being MLM there is so much encouragement for referrals.



    Then there is the issue of tax. Despite several accountants and people that have run their own business talking about it and stating that accounting is not merely 'money out of your e-wallet' people just won't believe us! What worries me is that people are not realising the amounts involved and how this will impact on them from a business point of view. I really do think there are a lot of people not even registering as self employed - and don't get me started on the potential people who are on the dole and doing this! HMRC have a new campaign looking at people in the Direct Selling industry. This would come into that. A key factor here is that HMRC would be perfectly entitled to go to Banners Broker and ask for a list of affiliates, including contact details. Furthermore they have the identification which again HMRC would be entitled to have so that they can trace all of these people.

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    Re: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam

    Quote Originally Posted by Martin88 View Post
    I thought I'd write up a piece on Banners Broker for my blog, which has quite a large following, and a fair chunk more credibility than the existing blog shills out there.

    Banners Broker Scam – Don’t Let It Affect You « Finch Sells

    Take a read if you fancy.

    Hopefully it stops a few more investors from joining.
    That's a great article, Finch. I've just posted a link to it on MoreMoneyReview. Oh and Julie Dilligent, if you're reading, thanks for your excellent post on MMR.

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    My number of posts have dwindled down to a measly 7.42 per day.
    I can see quite a few posters on different forums are using the 'they're running from a garage!' picture.

    I think it'd be much easier if we had someone check it out.
    Will try to get someone to do that this week.

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    The main one being the lack of true advertisers. I have been on various external sites (outside the choice network) to see what ads are showing there. There just doesn't seem to be any genuine, decent size advertisers out there. Often the banners are linking to a plain green 'buy this space' advert. Effectively it comes down to the numbers not adding up.

    On the above it is also worth noting that very few affiliates ever talk about how great the advertising campaigns are and how that works for them. It is always about how much they have made or are making - yet this is not an investment!

    Anyone that has seen previous posts on forums will know that I have been using a traffic pack only route. I dare not invite or refer anyone as a complaint against me would potentially result in my losing my accreditation with ACCA - something that took me a long time to ascertain and achieve.

    Certain other things that have happened recently i.e. 1/4 sales credit mean that referrers need to get more money in i.e. inject more people/ capital into it. That has virtually nailed it for me. They need more people buying packages so that money is in the system.

    Good point...but if you are aware of the facts and proofs,why do you have doubts?

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