Thread: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam

Originally Posted by Della Cate

One last thing, last couple of days there were problems logging in. there has been no change. The speed of the site is now good, but we implemented server-side cache. (Chris explained this - please see replay) On our end we can clear the server-side cache - I can do this from my iPhone. Please communicate with your leaders and I will clear the server-side cache, if needed.

Yes Chris that's the type of thing the CEOs of all the top companies do.


Page 500 And Banners Broker limps on. Somebody needs to do the decent thing & put it out of our misery.

PLEASE put us out of our misery, totally agree, is it really any wonder why people carry on scamming others when they get away with it for this freakin long.....

Originally Posted by kiwichick

PLEASE put us out of our misery, totally agree, is it really any wonder why people carry on scamming others when they get away with it for this freakin long.....

THEY ??

Which "they" ??

What evidence does anyone have that "they" are not a bunch of Eastern European gangsters or members of some criminal underworld using the proceeds to fund armed conflict somewhere ??

Anyone who thinks the concept is far fetched really needs to get out more and face reality.

NO ONE knows who is behind Banners Broker and where the money is ending up.

A few things since Niagara Falls:

1.SP is removed as Canada support from the BB website
2.SP is no longer involved with BB in India
3. New programs are not related to BB.
4. One program, Create my Banners, www.createmybanners.com is hosted in Belize of all places and since it's not related to BB what do you want to bet it belongs to Stellar Point Inc., Belize. There are no phone numbers or address for this company.
5. If I were a betting man, all the other programs BB mentioned at Niagara, belong to Stellar Point. I am sure BB is getting a referral fee from SP but that's about it. SP, no longer supporting BB in their program, is continuing to build SP on its own with new overpriced products using BB's database. All that "private and confidential" information affiliates gave BB is now up for sale to anybody that wants a sizable database.

There is no way that BB will ever generate enough revenue to pay affiliates anything from the sale of products. With SP no longer supporting or promoting BB it is definitely curtains for BB.

Originally Posted by littleroundman

THEY ??

Which "they" ??

What evidence does anyone have that "they" are not a bunch of Eastern European gangsters or members of some criminal underworld using the proceeds to fund armed conflict somewhere ??

Anyone who thinks the concept is far fetched really needs to get out more and face reality.

NO ONE knows who is behind Banners Broker and where the money is ending up.

What should kiwichick have posted then LRM? "is it really any wonder why people carry on scamming others when a bunch of Eastern European gangsters or members of some criminal underworld using the proceeds to fund armed conflict somewhere get away with it for this freakin long....." ??? ?

It's all very easy to sit here and talk about what "should" happen and what the authorities "should" do and how fast they "should" do it.

The reality is, there ARE professional criminals behind a great many of these HYIP ponzi "games" whose business it is to ensure they (and their ill gotten gains) are not traceable.

An even harsher reality is that, in the grand scheme of things, Banners Broker is a relatively small fraud.

Too small, in fact, for law enforcement agencies to justify the time, manpower and expense involved in tracking down the culprits, much less reclaiming any money.

I've posted it before, but, THIS is the reality of HYIP ponzi fraud, with the added wrinkle that NO ONE knows where the money has gone and what it is funding:

Dear Invex Ltd. Players,

This is a long message and will be the last news you will hear from us...
until we open our next HYIP
We want, kindly, recommend you stop losing your time by looking after us.
Anyway, for the cyber detectives, here is how we worked.

1- The basis is having 100% false ID documents. For $200 you get a really
nice looking pack of documents, even nicer than legal ones

2- We rented a nice apartment with fast internet in a nice city near the
sea, with false documents. We then bought a new desktop computer and a
new laptop, installed some fresh programs.

3- We opened a bank account with false documents, put some cash on the
account, and got a nice true debit card.

4- We opened e-gold accounts and funded them from the bank account above.

5- A bit later we opened e-bullion accounts, funded by... you, idiots who
"invested"

OK? Now we have e-gold, internet, a place to sleep, eat etc, all without
possibility to track us. A major question was "Must we open a real company".

We decided that NO, as people are so stupid that they believe all what they
read. And you know what? It is true Invex Ltd. and Lomax Group Corp. are
pure fantasy


Okay, let's go to work now!


1- Opening a domain name and booking a server at the katzglobal scammers'
best place, paying with e-gold.

2- Later, booking a dedicated server and paying with... the debit card
coming from the bank account above

3- Renting Prolexic, and paying them by bank transfers from.... an e-gold
exchanger The gold came from YOU idiots who "invested" !


To spe******ts who want to track us by the IP addresses, we kindly
recommend you to use Google and look at JAP, Freenet, I2P, TORR, etc.
You will understand that our IP come from anywhere in the world, beeing
chained between servers who cannot track them.
And even if so, the last IP address, the place where we lived, was this nice
appartment near the sea, that we left some weeks ago Oh, the computers were given to a charity, after the hard disks were physically deleted

Other pros say "Let's track the money"! Great idea, but don't forget that
even the ******* muslim terrorists cannot be tracked by the special services


How did we withdraw all your nice donations? That's easy, thanks to
mygcard who supplied us hundreds of anonymous debit cards that our
friedns and us used in various countries! Alain Vignard from mygcard
received $20.000 cash in hands for helping us to find the ATM with no
"$800/day limits", and telling us how to use the cards at the best. Well,
Alain tried to scam us later, but that is another story.

We also used bank transfers from the best exchangers, who have no
problem at all sending $100,000 or $200,000 every 3 days to bank
accounts in Panama,the BVI, etc Nice offshore places outside the
EU and the US Track the money there, dear friends!

Oh, about exchangers, we worked with one of them from Australia, and
where a bit afraid at the beginning, as he wrote on his website that he
"verifiesALL data" from his clients. LOL ! His fee is 2%, we kindly offered
him 2% more "to preserve our privacy" Look at our dialogue by email:

- HIM: 2% more is a good offer, but is your gold clean? We don't want to
work with scammers.

- US: Of course, what are you thinking? We are honest businessmen and
just want to keep a low profile.

- HIM: OK, i can see you are not scammers, just send me the gold and 4%
fee instead of the regular 2%.


Thank you mister G. ))



As I am in a very good mood, I will also explain you something: Most of the
biggest HYIP are run by us, a professional team. And when other scammers try to enter our market, BING! If they are interesting people we try to buy
them, if not DDOS attacks make them shutdown To be sure our rating is the
best one, we also pay the admins of a few monitoring programs, including
the biggest and "most reliable" (LOOOOL) one!

Our business is to make money. We use 20% of the money we get to help
poor and disabled people around each of us, 20% other is given to some
"political" associations that fight against ISLAM (Hey guys from the
Emirates, Bahrein, Kuwait, etc etc, did you read this? THANK YOU , and the
balance is for us.

We have currently a dozen of HYIP running, are going to close some of
them, and of course to open new ones! We are working like this since a few
years, and all is working fine!


But you know, it IS possible to make profit from HYIP: Just do it QUICKLY!
Look: teamaaronshara@bellsouth.net made $6,580 profit with us, including
the commissions they got by sending YOU IDIOTS, to Invex. These people
are really scumbags: They are making profit by making you lose!


As a clever guy told in some forum, "there were no guarantees, so no need
to cry". YEP! We NEVER gave any guarantee to ANYBODY (unless Titanium
plans, and you should notice that THESE guys do NOT cry on your forum,
try to guess why...!), we even recommended those who ask for guarantees
to go to their local bank They didn't? THEIR CHOICE!

When reading your forum and others, we really laugh! So, most of you were
already scammed by other HYIP? By our HYIP maybe Anyway, it seems that
you don't understand what a teenager is able to understand! So, you
continue to "invest" here and there, and that is good... FOR US! For you, I
am not sure When I see a GREAT SPE******T, the "Andrewunknown", proudly saying that he lost $40,000 into Invex but that he will recover from
other HYIP, WE ARE LAUGHING, FALLING FROM OUR CHAIRS )))) Moreover in
his list of "no ponzi", LOL, some of them are from us ))))


Now some personal messages:


- liquidteq@gmail.com threatened us to send "the FBI and the CIA against
us" ) better you keep your energy to work and recover your $600 ONLY
that you sent us, than saying such BS )))


- "AROBASE", "LUCIEN", "IGOR": YOU will be refunded partially, we contacted
you some hours ago.

- "vanderschalk-group" is a clever guy: He made about $45k profit from Invex


- "ANATOLI" is the best one: he made about $170k profit from Invex, even
with what we kept from him when we closed!

- lewisfargo, caro, anhvn06, ydna, janhkok, profitondemand, HIPsyD,
promax, brewmanau, adtype13sg, , Johnnyslide, etc etc are also in big profit
(Between $10k and $50k) from Invex.

Feel free to find and contact them to ask to share ))


Well that's all, folks! We are anyway in touch with a few of you through
other HYIP, under other names of course! Good luck


Shalom!
Renaud, Kathy, Oliver, David.

I think the stress is getting to you LRM. Nothing kiwichick posted in her last post warrants your Capitals in bold, and multiple ???s And a lecture.
A simple generic "they" brought that on. Did you think her use of that word denied the possibility or probability of "they" being criminals or arms runners?
A similar lecturing response to my earlier post where I plainly said "left/Fired" brought on the multiple ???s
I dont appreciate a hectoring answer to a simple post.

Right I'm off to MMg for a while. Seems since we have no shills to argue with here, some of us find a need to bombard their own team.

Stress ???

There is no stress involved, certainly not on my part.

Blunt ?? yes, stress ?? not for one second.

Neither is the fact I use more than one question mark any indication of anything other than the fact I routinely use more than one question mark and nor does my use of bolding indicate anything more than a visual method of stressing a point.

In fact, if my bluntness assists one potential HYIP ponzi player think twice about where his/her money may end up, I consider it a job well done and make no apologies for said "bluntness"

Each of us has his/her own way ,even standards when discovering the essence - that's why critical rewiev is not on the same level by each of us and that's why is of big importance to tolerate the particularities and stay focused on what binds us - discovering the essence of any scam or hiden scam like BB is...just my opinion.

Originally Posted by Jerrygo

Right I'm off to MMg for a while. Seems since we have no shills to argue with here, some of us find a need to bombard their own team.

We have plenty of them waiting in the wings and plenty of newbie con artists who are ready to pose as valuable members of the community.

If you find any informative information on MMG, please pass it on.

Originally Posted by littleroundman

Was he ???

Try and think of one other business on the planet which would have allowed an employee to walk away with $4 million and not done a thing about recovering the money or prosecuting the thief.

Then look back over the history of HYIP ponzi frauds and see how many of them explained away a slow down in payments by blaming "Russian mafia" or "hackers" or "a corrupt programmer" or "payment processor problems" or, or.......................................

IOW, yet another reason to refuse to believe ANYTHING that comes out of a HYIP ponzi fraud and/or fraudster.

The thing is, even if he DID steal $4million, BB would never dare report it, because like most criminals, they can hardly have the cops hanging around and looking at their accounts, can they? I mean, yeah, on America's Dumbest Criminals you do sometimes see the guy who calls to report 5 pounds of pot stolen, but I don't think even this lot is that stupid.

Originally Posted by Gregg

The thing is, even if he DID steal $4million, BB would never dare report it, because like most criminals, they can hardly have the cops hanging around and looking at their accounts, can they?

Exactly.

Yet another reason for people to think twice before sending off their hard earned to one of these things.

Millions can disappear without ANYONE doing a damned thing about it.

Can you imagine what would happen if a legitimate business put out a press release saying:

"Guess what ???

One of the partners skipped with $4 million of your money, so we can't pay you AND we're not going to do a damned thing about it either, so sit down and shutup"
Oh, and keep paying your fees, or we'll close your account and ban you from the forum as well"

Originally Posted by littleroundman

It's all very easy to sit here and talk about what "should" happen and what the authorities "should" do and how fast they "should" do it.

The reality is, there ARE professional criminals behind a great many of these HYIP ponzi "games" whose business it is to ensure they (and their ill gotten gains) are not traceable.

An even harsher reality is that, in the grand scheme of things, Banners Broker is a relatively small fraud.

Too small, in fact, for law enforcement agencies to justify the time, manpower and expense involved in tracking down the culprits, much less reclaiming any money.

I've posted it before, but, THIS is the reality of HYIP ponzi fraud, with the added wrinkle that NO ONE knows where the money has gone and what it is funding:

The quote you have from the people closing down an earlier hyip is interesting. I presume that this is 100% attributable to scammers? If not it probably is from one of the antiscammers trying to salt some wounds.
I think lrm that your earlier posts did appear a bit unduly lecturing. Not your intention I know.

Originally Posted by Dreamstealer

The quote you have from the people closing down an earlier hyip is interesting. I presume that this is 100% attributable to scammers?

Invex was a HYIP ponzi which ran for 5 months back in 2005.

Whether or not the email genuinely originated with one of the founders was the subject of some debate at the time, the general consensus being it was most likely the genuine article

If anyone wants to indulge in a scary deja vu exercise, it is probably worth reading the Invex thread from one of the "usual suspect" HYIP ponzi forums of the time HERE to see for themselves how little has changed over time in the HYIP ponzi biz.

Originally Posted by Dreamstealer

I think lrm that your earlier posts did appear a bit unduly lecturing. Not your intention I know.

That was certainly not my intention and I apologize unreservedly to anyone I may have offended.

The HYIP ponzi business is multifaceted, in that not only are they designed to relieve people of their hard earned, they are also the realm of out and out criminals AND make perfect conduits for the money laundering so prevalent in the world today.

Zeek Rewards had in excess of $600 MILLION pass through its' books.

Goodness knows how much was generated by Banners Broker

There are any number of groups who would sacrifice an organ to have access to that sort of (untraceable) income.

I see one of the function of forums such as REALSCAM.com to point out to people they are more than likely to lose any money they send, but, they have no real idea to whom they are sending it.

Originally Posted by path2prosperity

We have plenty of them waiting in the wings and plenty of newbie con artists who are ready to pose as valuable members of the community.

If you find any informative information on MMG, please pass it on.

Very little on mmg now P2P, hardly a single BB supporter posting.
In fact some of the previously prolific Bb apologists are now openly admitting on mmg that bb is a scam. Activerog, Jens Holvoet among others.
Your point about "newbie con artists who are ready to pose as valuable members of the community" is well taken. It is amusing to see posts on mmg complaining that bb is a scam and a ponzi, and the posters have links for other scams in their sig!
Then you check previous posts and discover they are involved in half a dozen other scams.
We have had a couple of double agents on here too. Max springs to mind as one who actually did some damage by getting some of our members accounts locked by bb, and banned from bb forum.
Bb is just sinking slowly under the water, and in my view this is how it will end, with a whimper rather than a bang. And all that will be left for us to do, is write the history of it.
And to decide whether to go on to fight other scams, or not.

Originally Posted by Jerrygo

Bb is just sinking slowly under the water, and in my view this is how it will end, with a whimper rather than a bang. And all that will be left for us to do, is write the history of it.

BB has been dying a slow death for several months now. Everything they are doing (or not doing) points to letting this one fizzle out. There won't be any big announcement to say it's over or that authorities have shut it down or anything like that. BB will just not make any payments and the remaining affiliates will move on to another scam just like most of the vocal ones already have. Guaranteed Chris, not BB, has money in an offshore account and will pop up again in a new scam down the road after this one cools off a bit.

Originally Posted by Jerrygo

Bb is just sinking slowly under the water, and in my view this is how it will end, with a whimper rather than a bang. And all that will be left for us to do, is write the history of it.
And to decide whether to go on to fight other scams, or not.

I think that we can safely assume that professional historians have been researching these con artists for years. Most of them will keep their information locked away until the time is ripe to tell the story. What we can do is to place snippets of information in the public domain that will be an aid to historians' research.

I read a recent history on the wives of King Henry VIII by a professional historian (Alison Weir) and she had lots of information from authentic records to make the subject more interesting to this generation, information that had never been published before. She had more evidence to show what a dangerous tyrant King Henry was and lots of fascinating gossip such as the foods that his wives craved when they were pregnant. They did not eat vegetables in the sixteenth centuary but Katherine of Aragon ate salads which had to be served hot. Alison Weir had done painstaking research and produced documentary evidence to support the evidence in her book.

Modern historians have access to far more material for research than any of us could imagine.

We must keep fighting these scams as we gain experience on how to go about it every day.

Up the voltage Judy.... that's another one way out in left field....

For a laugh went back to the Scam.com site (first time in a year)to see what they make of the situation. Jesus wept, what a shower. Soapbox mum was attacked very personally by some idiot and they are still thinking that BB are trying to help people worldwide. As for the pretend jew "The Jew", please don't promote anti semitism by using that name and being a complete Wa*ker. If you were a jew you probably wouldn't use terms like "holy Mary Mother of god" you moron. I'm not jewish but my basic understanding of the religion tells me that this is an unlikely phrase.

and damn you Joe Shmoe. I wanted to start page 500. Please please please don't let this get much bigger.

The latest excuse from BB - this has come from Talking BB apparently, via Rooneyfenomeno on MMG (thanks to Rooneyf):-



"A user from talkingbb:

"What Lorenzo said at the world tour was that this hack created a fully qualify panel in the account, no panel or traffic purchase needed. It is active as soon as it hits the account. The panel was not created unqualified so it could not be sold. The person using this code would have to wait until the panel finished if they wanted to"sell" the re-purchased panel.

Think what the hack as done to BB. If someone using the hack created 5 black panels in their account that is a lot of money BB would loose. Lorenzo did say BB will be checking all account to find those that used this code and those accounts that did will be terminated I assume there will be no payouts until they resolve this issue.

What I believe is the reason behind transfers being ended, and I spoke to several people who know this is being done, is when someone brings in a new person they are buying the package, transferring it to the new person for cash. "This is the only way to get paid now" I heard a few people say. There may be additional ways people were are taking advantage of transferring, but I do not know of any"

Sooooo..........hackers have hacked BB and created "fake" panels to "rob" Bb of money! Haahahahahaha, genius - you just couldn't make this sort of stuff up, could you? So someone has created fake panels of the, er, fake panels?

Wonderful!

Originally Posted by Della Cate

The latest excuse from BB - this has come from Talking BB apparently, via Rooneyfenomeno on MMG (thanks to Rooneyf):-



"A user from talkingbb:

"What Lorenzo said at the world tour was that this hack created a fully qualify panel in the account, no panel or traffic purchase needed. It is active as soon as it hits the account. The panel was not created unqualified so it could not be sold. The person using this code would have to wait until the panel finished if they wanted to"sell" the re-purchased panel.

Think what the hack as done to BB. If someone using the hack created 5 black panels in their account that is a lot of money BB would loose. Lorenzo did say BB will be checking all account to find those that used this code and those accounts that did will be terminated I assume there will be no payouts until they resolve this issue.

What I believe is the reason behind transfers being ended, and I spoke to several people who know this is being done, is when someone brings in a new person they are buying the package, transferring it to the new person for cash. "This is the only way to get paid now" I heard a few people say. There may be additional ways people were are taking advantage of transferring, but I do not know of any"

Sooooo..........hackers have hacked BB and created "fake" panels to "rob" Bb of money! Haahahahahaha, genius - you just couldn't make this sort of stuff up, could you? So someone has created fake panels of the, er, fake panels?

Wonderful!

What a comedy..it's not even rubbish...rubbish has some value...it's just a meal for those who believe that Sun rotates around the Earth

What a surprise Mr Lee Oakey one of Mark Stokes' pals is now promoting Pure Leverage & Leaf another RAT leaving the sinking SS Banners Broker
As he lives in the US he needs to be VERY careful or he could end up with a lot of jail time.

Lee Oakey - YouTube

Originally Posted by Jerrygo

Very little on mmg now P2P, hardly a single BB supporter posting.
In fact some of the previously prolific Bb apologists are now openly admitting on mmg that bb is a scam. Activerog, Jens Holvoet among others.
Your point about "newbie con artists who are ready to pose as valuable members of the community" is well taken. It is amusing to see posts on mmg complaining that bb is a scam and a ponzi, and the posters have links for other scams in their sig!
Then you check previous posts and discover they are involved in half a dozen other scams.
We have had a couple of double agents on here too. Max springs to mind as one who actually did some damage by getting some of our members accounts locked by bb, and banned from bb forum.
Bb is just sinking slowly under the water, and in my view this is how it will end, with a whimper rather than a bang. And all that will be left for us to do, is write the history of it.
And to decide whether to go on to fight other scams, or not.

Indeed. The weather has completely changed since six, nine, twelve months ago.

Back then, a google search using the terms "banners broker Ponzi" would throw up a cleverly designed smokescreen of pro-BB bull$hit "reviews" claiming that ethics were irrelevant; this thing works; money can be made here, that's what matters!

I just did the same search, and the smokescreen has melted away into cyberspace.The first page of results was unanimous in its exposure of BB as a Ponzi, and thereafter, in support of BB, only a few vaguely deluded blog entries remain.

Its a good result for humanity. But I think the war has been won on BB's flawed economics. Ethics really don't have the same level of impact. If it was still paying, it'd still be popular.