Thread: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam

Originally Posted by RockLion

Hey Guys,

I have just heard that a marriage has broken down becuase of BB. That's sad .. but at the same time ....

A person's sponsor texted him at about 3am in the morning requesting a 3-some from him. He showed me the texts and there is over 12 texts from a woman in BB to her "downline" requesting various sexual favours just after her marriage brokedown recently.

All I know is he isn't happy and is unsure what to do !!
The sponsor is apparently very big in BB and i'm hoping to get more details and hopefully a copy of the text messages ....

You're a bit late for April fools day....

Over at BB FB page, more excuses from BB....

very well technical support: I received a response very quickly: Thank you for contacting support.

Last week and this week we had some server problems, and we were able to migrate to a new server. the problem with the new server has to do with how the engine was structured. The BB application (software) version 2.9, there are several components. the sales engine is kind of separated, and once we did the port to the new server, we need to reconnect everything to work in harmony. this reconnection has not been completed, that's why you have not seen the visual display of the movement. Your ad space sales are moving forward. Your visual display will JUMP to where it needs to be when you are able to see the display visually. Do not worry. The programmers are working on this as fast as they can, and this should be completed at the beginning of the week.

Due to the site maintenance and the server changeover, traffic packs repurchases will be delayed by a few days. Please also remember that traffic packs are repurchased every 30 days when site outages are not taken into account.

Please be advised that we are working to get this resolved.

Withdrawals that are made through STP and Payza take 25 Calender days to be processed.

We greatly appreciate your continued patience.
11 hours ago · Like

I've put the "technical" bit in bold!
And once again, people are thanked for their patience (yawn). Hasn't stopped the moans and groans on the FB page, of course, but these do get deleted (albeit not very quickly).

More unhappy punters............

3rd Ap 1.jpg


BB 3rd Ap 2.jpg

I'm going to the "Business for home hall of fame" that Louise Radowski mentions........see if there's any of the usual suspects there......

Just did - not very informative from my point of view, you need a subscription to see 'em all, and I'm not THAT worried about it! Cannot see BB mentioned in the top few that are visible anyway, which is kind of odd, considering all the BB millionaires that there are around.

Originally Posted by RockLion

Hey Guys,

I have just heard that a marriage has broken down becuase of BB. That's sad .. but at the same time ....

A person's sponsor texted him at about 3am in the morning requesting a 3-some from him. He showed me the texts and there is over 12 texts from a woman in BB to her "downline" requesting various sexual favours just after her marriage brokedown recently.

All I know is he isn't happy and is unsure what to do !!
The sponsor is apparently very big in BB and i'm hoping to get more details and hopefully a copy of the text messages ....

Yes and Chris Smith Just rang me and said he is a very naughty boy and wants to be spanked.

Ok the above is a joke, but Chris if you are reading please pop over- I've got a few golf clubs I'd love to try on your golf ball like head. Me Hit you long time.

Originally Posted by Della Cate

Over at BB FB page, more excuses from BB....

very well technical support: I received a response very quickly: Thank you for contacting support.

Last week and this week we had some server problems, and we were able to migrate to a new server. the problem with the new server has to do with how the engine was structured. The BB application (software) version 2.9, there are several components. the sales engine is kind of separated, and once we did the port to the new server, we need to reconnect everything to work in harmony. this reconnection has not been completed, that's why you have not seen the visual display of the movement. Your ad space sales are moving forward. Your visual display will JUMP to where it needs to be when you are able to see the display visually. Do not worry. The programmers are working on this as fast as they can, and this should be completed at the beginning of the week.

Due to the site maintenance and the server changeover, traffic packs repurchases will be delayed by a few days. Please also remember that traffic packs are repurchased every 30 days when site outages are not taken into account.

Please be advised that we are working to get this resolved.

Withdrawals that are made through STP and Payza take 25 Calender days to be processed.

We greatly appreciate your continued patience.
11 hours ago · Like

I've put the "technical" bit in bold!
And once again, people are thanked for their patience (yawn). Hasn't stopped the moans and groans on the FB page, of course, but these do get deleted (albeit not very quickly).

Why do they use such hard to understand technical Jargon. "the sales engine is kind of Separated" is way beyond me. I could just about get my head around the flux capacitor they had previously mentioned.

Originally Posted by littleroundman

"Memories light the corners of my mind"

Ontarion, Hmm you sure he isn't from Sontario? I only ask because he looks a bit like a Sontaran from Doctor Who. This race are noted for mindlessly obeying orders, so not like Terry at all then.

Originally Posted by Della Cate

Over at BB FB page, more excuses from BB....
Last week and this week we had some server problems, and we were able to migrate to a new server. the problem with the new server has to do with how the engine was structured. The BB application (software) version 2.9, there are several components. the sales engine is kind of separated, and once we did the port to the new server, we need to reconnect everything to work in harmony. this reconnection has not been completed, that's why you have not seen the visual display of the movement. Your ad space sales are moving forward. Your visual display will JUMP to where it needs to be when you are able to see the display visually. Do not worry. The programmers are working on this as fast as they can, and this should be completed at the beginning of the week.

I think it was Ashken posted this a few pages back, and asked if technically made sense. I meant to reply but got sidetracked at the time.

Yes, it is generally how a website with an extensive database is structured. Normally the database server will be well hidden from the internet, with the front end (the website that we see) on a different server. Aside from the physical network leads/routers that connect the two servers, they talk to each other using a software standard called ODBC (Open Database Connectivity) which has been used globally for years to connect to databases simply and easily.

Normally when servers and databases are uprooted and moved elsewhere, it is a matter of updating the ODBC connections to the new IP address or network name of the DB server (remembering, the DB server will be a private network IP address). If your software is coded correctly, it is quite a simple and straightforward task, even if the DB server name and IP are both changed.

SQL (Structured Query Language) is the database of choice for most small/medium enterprises as there are a gazillion SQL programmers out there looking for work, and its easy to work with, and quite secure when done properly.

With my rusty knowedge of databases and web servers (I got out of IT a few years ago but still keep an interest), the baloney that they came out with over this 'reconnecting' is hogwash. Either that or they are using MS Access (or Excel) as their database server... which would not surprise me in the least!!

Any database connectivity issues associated with the move, or the 2.9 upgrade, would have been picked up within seconds during their offline beta testing, regardless of how complex their setup is (which in the scheme of things, theirs would be pretty non-complex).

Any database connectivity issues associated with the move, or the 2.9 upgrade, would have been picked up within seconds during their offline beta testing, regardless of how complex their setup is (which in the scheme of things, theirs would be pretty non-complex).

Thanks for the overall reply Hypanor. Helped me understand a little more.

I guess you highlighted where BB have gone wrong in your last paragraph. I suspect that they have never done any offline beta testing as evidenced by the complete failure over the last 12 months or so (that I've know about them) where the website is frequently down and frequently behaves as a non-tested product. One must assume that they've done everything on the cheap. Has anyone with an account been able to get back in to it yet? If so, does anything actually work?

This is from MMG and guardianuno at #7908

Looking at an account just now.

No payments into the Ewallet or panels completing since 17th March, yet they just had $5,000 taken for traffic today (3rd April). Then they now have their yellows back, but 3/4 cannot be used as there is another bug which says the panels either don't belong to you or invalid ID and because they were hidden/missing for a week + every time you view a page of them 3 roll up to a purple. The panel allowance is still not working, qualify a purple and get no yellow allowance. Same for every color.

No liquidations done, yet they have taken the time to put up a message about funding and that they are fixing that issue. How very typical of them.

Same old, same old eh?

This comes from BB FB. Just thought I do a copy-past before it gets deleted. Heat seems to be on there

"Mudbone Willie Ok folks. This is a dead serious question. Look at what is happening here. Do any one of you actually believe that BB is a real business? You are all participants in one of the largest ponzi schemes going. Whoever invited you into this thing -- I want you to go back to them and ask them to prove to you that this is not a scam. Silly YouTube videos and meaningless presentations from BB do not count. Tell them to show you a single example of BB actually generating third-party revenue (not from member investments). Good luck. Some of you are going to be looking over your shoulders for a long, long time as the authorities will eventually get around to seeking funds for receivership.
21 minutes ago · "

Originally Posted by Della Cate

Over at BB FB page
We greatly appreciate your continued patience.

I bet they do.

Originally Posted by Della Cate

Over at BB FB page, more excuses from BB....

very well technical support: I received a response very quickly: Thank you for contacting support.

Last week and this week we had some server problems, and we were able to migrate to a new server. the problem with the new server has to do with how the engine was structured. The BB application (software) version 2.9, there are several components. the sales engine is kind of separated, and once we did the port to the new server, we need to reconnect everything to work in harmony. this reconnection has not been completed, that's why you have not seen the visual display of the movement. Your ad space sales are moving forward. Your visual display will JUMP to where it needs to be when you are able to see the display visually. Do not worry. The programmers are working on this as fast as they can, and this should be completed at the beginning of the week.

Due to the site maintenance and the server changeover, traffic packs repurchases will be delayed by a few days. Please also remember that traffic packs are repurchased every 30 days when site outages are not taken into account.

Please be advised that we are working to get this resolved.

Withdrawals that are made through STP and Payza take 25 Calender days to be processed.

We greatly appreciate your continued patience.
11 hours ago · Like

I've put the "technical" bit in bold!
And once again, people are thanked for their patience (yawn). Hasn't stopped the moans and groans on the FB page, of course, but these do get deleted (albeit not very quickly).

so, not a DDOS attack as confirmed by BB Iceland on their FB page on 24th March!

'No need to worry' lol

What ??? No 'keeping the faith' ' BB is stronger than ever' 'we are here for the long haul' comments? Sheesh, didn't he even tell the affiliates that he loved them in a message?

Originally Posted by Newto

This comes from BB FB. Just thought I do a copy-past before it gets deleted. Heat seems to be on there

"Mudbone Willie Ok folks. This is a dead serious question. Look at what is happening here. Do any one of you actually believe that BB is a real business? You are all participants in one of the largest ponzi schemes going. Whoever invited you into this thing -- I want you to go back to them and ask them to prove to you that this is not a scam. Silly YouTube videos and meaningless presentations from BB do not count. Tell them to show you a single example of BB actually generating third-party revenue (not from member investments). Good luck. Some of you are going to be looking over your shoulders for a long, long time as the authorities will eventually get around to seeking funds for receivership.
21 minutes ago · "

I've got a screen shot of this for you. Will post it later when I can.

ADMINS - unable to upload image.

(Just for your information)

Originally Posted by Hypanor

I think it was Ashken posted this a few pages back, and asked if technically made sense. I meant to reply but got sidetracked at the time.

Yes, it is generally how a website with an extensive database is structured. Normally the database server will be well hidden from the internet, with the front end (the website that we see) on a different server. Aside from the physical network leads/routers that connect the two servers, they talk to each other using a software standard called ODBC (Open Database Connectivity) which has been used globally for years to connect to databases simply and easily.

Normally when servers and databases are uprooted and moved elsewhere, it is a matter of updating the ODBC connections to the new IP address or network name of the DB server (remembering, the DB server will be a private network IP address). If your software is coded correctly, it is quite a simple and straightforward task, even if the DB server name and IP are both changed.

SQL (Structured Query Language) is the database of choice for most small/medium enterprises as there are a gazillion SQL programmers out there looking for work, and its easy to work with, and quite secure when done properly.

With my rusty knowedge of databases and web servers (I got out of IT a few years ago but still keep an interest), the baloney that they came out with over this 'reconnecting' is hogwash. Either that or they are using MS Access (or Excel) as their database server... which would not surprise me in the least!!

Any database connectivity issues associated with the move, or the 2.9 upgrade, would have been picked up within seconds during their offline beta testing, regardless of how complex their setup is (which in the scheme of things, theirs would be pretty non-complex).

Thanks again Hypanor for your layman's explanation. However, is it just not a bit inexplicable how the taking the fees programme is working fine but the panel moving and fee paying programmes are not

Originally Posted by Brenda

Thanks again Hypanor for your layman's explanation. However, is it just not a bit inexplicable how the taking the fees programme is working fine but the panel moving and fee paying programmes are not

*Sigh*

There are no words that can explain this are there? Not now, not any more. Just wonder when the pennies are going to drop, the lights switch on, the dawning of how it's all gone wrong.

May those who run SP/BB/BBI rot in hell.

Originally Posted by Brenda

However, is it just not a bit inexplicable how the taking the fees programme is working fine but the panel moving and fee paying programmes are not

The whole point is, Brenda, NOTHING about Banners Broker is real.

It's ALL an illusion.

It's all a script behind a webpage..

There is no "back office"

There are no "panels"

All that exists is a series of scripts making it look like there's a real business and generating "numbers on a screen"

The only reason for Banners Broker to exist is to make as much money for those behind it and their accomplices as is possible.

THAT is why deposits still work and payouts long since ceased being made.

Stand back and look at what is happening WITHOUT attaching a story to it.

Money is going in and NOTHING is coming out.

Interesting exchange on BB FB site, already partially quoted over at Finch's site, but worth a post here:-

Justin van der Velden posted by Dan Moyles:
Afternoon everybody. I thought I would just share this with everybody. I decided to call the new BB offices in Manchester today and got through within 2 rings and was greeting by a lovely girl called Jessica. I told her I just wanted to ask what is the situation with strange panel movement and traffic packs. She asked me my user name first (careful, they charge you $5 for each question after your first as per terms) checked who I was then told me that the problems are all due to v2.9 needing an update to v3.0 asap! They say this will rectify all problems moving forward and this might be seen in the next 3 or 4 days. Just thought it was good to speak to somebody answering the phone as "hello good afternoon, BannersBroker, Jessica speaking. Quite impressed. \o/— Dan Moyles, Today 3:17 PM
about an hour ago · Like

Umair Nawab Justin, are you for real?
Not sure if stupid or a scammer
59 minutes ago · Like

Justin van der Velden Got it from the BB training skype chat
59 minutes ago · Like
Justin van der Velden Just giving information that i received
56 minutes ago · Like

AJM Silver Coins Unfortunately - that is not Banners Broker themselves. Until it comes from the horses mouth, its all just speculation. Will they ever recover from the disastrous PR situation they're now in. This is a failure of management in a company of astronomical proportions.
49 minutes ago · Like

Atle Frantzen scam ?
32 minutes ago · Edited · Like

"Good afternoon, Banners Broker" eh? I thought Stellar Point did all their help/admin over here?

(Apologies for cut 'n' patse - cannot upload images - Admins, please note?)

Steppyramid.jpg

I seem to be able to upload images ok.

And Brenda, yes it is odd (in the real world, not the BB world) that they have a database of whose money to take out and exactly when, but can't work out how to do it the other way!!

Originally Posted by Hypanor

I seem to be able to upload images ok.

It is an intermittent problem which doesn't affect all uploads or all uploaders.

We are aware of the problem and are attempting to identify and rectify it.

An affiliate put it to me, the other day, that he had spent money each week on the National Lottery {UK) and had very rarely won anything, so if his "investment" in BB didn't work out, it was only the same as investing £1 a week in the Lottery for a year. I think I see what he is trying to get at, however, here is my counter-argument:-

When you spend £1 on a lottery ticket, you actually get a paper ticket that you can see and touch;

You can find out details of who runs the National Lottery;

The National Lottery publishes its results every week, including how many prizes of each amount were awarded;

The National Lottery helps hundreds of charitable causes each year, some big, some small, and you can find out details of all of them;

A portion of money raised by the National Lottery funded the 2012 London Olympics, which were a source of national pride and gave a lot of pleasure to millions of people;

You are not required to provide full ID details, including a notarised copy of your passport, before you buy a ticket or claim a prize;

The National Lottery doesn't ban you from buying a ticket, or take your winnings away from you, if you say nasty things about it;

Although you know the chances of winning the jackpot are small, people do win prizes each week, and the odds are you will win £10 at least once a year;

My £1 per week stake this year has so far won me one £10 prize and one £88 prize, all in real money that I have collected instantly by presenting my paper ticket at a lottery outlet;

You are not required to recurit anyone to play the National Lottery. Nor do you have to write blogs about it before you can buy a ticket;

The National Lottery has a website that works for 99.9% of the time - if it does go offline, it is back within hours as opposed to disappearing for days;

The National Lottery has been going since November 1994 and shows no sign of stopping!

Originally Posted by littleroundman

It is an intermittent problem which doesn't affect all uploads or all uploaders.

Its probably something to do with drinking the port and getting kind of separated between your harmony and server, also not being in the same calender for reconnecting. Thats why there is no visual display of uploads. Your attachments are moving forward though and the display will limp along to eventually show you have acheived nothing. Do not worry, LRM is on to it. It will be fixed after a period of time, or possibly sooner.

And, the National Lottery doesn't pretend to be anything but the National Lottery.

If your affiliate friend knew Banners Broker was a HYIP ponzi before he joined, good for him.

The problem is hundreds of thousands of members did NOT know they were playing a HYIP ponzi.

If HYIP ponzi fraudsters stayed on the usual suspect forums and the HYIP ponzi world was closed to outsiders, most people wouldn't bother to comment.

THE fact is, however, people are being lied to and stolen from..

THAT is why forums such as REALSCAM.com exist.

Take away the rationalization and justification and you are left with the fact REAL people are being lied to and having REAL money stolen by REAL criminals.

Originally Posted by littleroundman

We are aware of the problem and are attempting to identify and rectify it.

Are you grateful for our patience?

To cheer everyone's thoughts......

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Keep the faith, BBers! Here's someone proudly displaying his BB Club Millionaire's Ring!

Or something he got from a Christmas cracker.

LOVE the comment from Chris Probert..........

Problems with image uploads should be rectified now.

Sorry for any inconvenience caused.

Jason