Thread: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam

Originally Posted by Della Cate

Well, here's something posted in the comments section on the "Is it down right now" website, posted about half an hour ago.........hmmm.......

Just an update regarding the Banners Broker website. The website is currently down and under maintenance.
The site was a victim of a DDoS attack; therefore security persuasions have been taken.This event is unfortunate however this type of attack has affected several major companies: TD Canada Trust, Twitter, GitHub, Poker.com etc.The site is expected to be down for the next 12 hours.

Any techie out there able to confirm this? In my view, it's yet another excuse! And not even an original one!

twitter's been running uninterrupted for quite some time. I always have a tab open with it.

Originally Posted by Della Cate

Well, here's something posted in the comments section on the "Is it down right now" website, posted about half an hour ago.........hmmm.......

Just an update regarding the Banners Broker website. The website is currently down and under maintenance.
The site was a victim of a DDoS attack; therefore security persuasions have been taken.This event is unfortunate however this type of attack has affected several major companies: TD Canada Trust, Twitter, GitHub, Poker.com etc.The site is expected to be down for the next 12 hours.

Any techie out there able to confirm this? In my view, it's yet another excuse! And not even an original one!

What they meant was that all the aforementioned websites have suffered DDoS attacks in the past.
A DDoS is like a crowd of people (web surfers) all trying to get through your front door (your website) at the same time - to the point where your doorway can't cope, people get jammed in the doorway, and no one else can get in (access your website). An attack is deliberate and aimed at a particular website, so its not like "oh no, there is a DDoS affecting all these sites" at the same time (although that is possible).

The symptoms the BB website has been showing of late are NOT symptomatic of a DDoS attack. Although it is possible. More likely is they saw what happened to RS, and thought "there's a good excuse we haven't used yet".

If they are self-hosting now, as someone else has said, then they would need to have a damn good connection (Fibre) to the 'net to support the outbound traffic. Otherwise it is going to be a rather slow website.
It would also beg the question of what sort of security they have in place protecting the database server that holds all that personal information. Knowing BB, they are probably using the free version of AVG!

Originally Posted by Hypanor

What they meant was that all the aforementioned websites have suffered DDoS attacks in the past.
A DDoS is like a crowd of people (web surfers) all trying to get through your front door (your website) at the same time - to the point where your doorway can't cope, people get jammed in the doorway, and no one else can get in (access your website). An attack is deliberate and aimed at a particular website, so its not like "oh no, there is a DDoS affecting all these sites" at the same time (although that is possible).

The symptoms the BB website has been showing of late are NOT symptomatic of a DDoS attack. Although it is possible. More likely is they saw what happened to RS, and thought "there's a good excuse we haven't used yet".

If they are self-hosting now, as someone else has said, then they would need to have a damn good connection (Fibre) to the 'net to support the outbound traffic. Otherwise it is going to be a rather slow website.
It would also beg the question of what sort of security they have in place protecting the database server that holds all that personal information. Knowing BB, they are probably using the free version of AVG!

Sorry that excuse has been used before, I think it was in August of last year.

From what we've seen, BB couldn't self-host a p*ss-up in a brewery!!

Site still "appears" to be down. How's the packing going boys??

The Banners Broker website may be down, but, it still shows as being hosted in Canada and as being pingable:

So LRM they're there, but they're hiding?

Originally Posted by Della Cate

Hey, remember a few pages back I posted a comment from "Chris Smith" that I said I thought was fake? And a fellow RSer agreed and we had a good giggle?

Well, it's now appeared on BB Netwrok FB page as GENUINE!

Genius! They must be checking this site out!!

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Is this from an official BB site or some BB group using the BB logo for their facebook page? I can't help noticing the names, very, for the want of a better word, foreign. It makes me wonder that there are groups of BB followers a little behind the times and who are still carrying on business as usual, scary!

Originally Posted by noname999

Whats this legal problem they are claiming to have? Any ideas?

Don't think they would say they are having legal issues and phones being confiscated! It's someone else posting

Originally Posted by sascode3

Don't think they would say they are having legal issues and phones being confiscated! It's someone else posting

You know that, and I know that.

Sadly, those who have been brainwashed into thinking BB are wonderful, won't because in their eyes, Chris Smith etc can do no wrong.

BB website is now back up. But, does it really matter whether the website is up or not? I could pack my bags whether my website was up or not. They could even give everyone a bonus of $10k though they would just be numbers on the screen it'd shush the affiliates for a while.

Originally Posted by AshKen1

So LRM they're there, but they're hiding?

I have no idea.

Remember, though, a website will run on it's own, whether "they" are there or not.

HYIP ponzi fraud scripts are a dime a dozen on the 'net.

Any 16 or 17 year old student with a laptop could pay for and run a HYIP ponzi website from the privacy of his/her bedroom and not be late when his/her mother says dinner is ready AND do any "programming" necessary AND be anyone they want to be on the phone or via email.

The bottom line is, Banners Broker members are not "being paid" which, after all, is the sole reason most of them are participating.

Who cares what reason is being given or whether or not a website is "up" ??

Originally Posted by Poyol

BB website is now back up. But, does it really matter whether the website is up or not? I could pack my bags whether my website was up or not. They could even give everyone a bonus of $10k though they would just be numbers on the screen it'd shush the affiliates for a while.

Don't know how you're doing it Poyol, but BB still showing as being down.

Why stop at $10,000 I would suggest $20,000 would be more suitable.

Was a metaphorical rather than literal packing of bags....

Originally Posted by AshKen1

Don't know how you're doing it Poyol, but BB still showing as being down.

Why stop at $10,000 I would suggest $20,000 would be more suitable.

Was a metaphorical rather than literal packing of bags....

Haha!
Um, I'm just typing in my address bar: BannersBroker

Jason

Same for me.

I type in the same address as Poyol and the site is up, showing the I.P. and Hostname as being:

When does ignorance about cons like BB cross the line and become willfull blindness? Please can anybody tell me, if there are any precedents of charges against ponzis or serial fraud promoters for willful blindness because I am relauncing my blog today and I would like to get all the help that I can on a legal issue which I have not seen discussed very much online.

Willlful blindness

Hey P2P,

This may not be the exact direction that you want to go, but The Ross Institute Internet Archives for the Study of Destructive Cults, Controversial Groups and Movements has done a lot of work on cult mindset, not only in MLM, but in general. I do not know about any charges for willful blindness, as I think any cult leaders usually go to jail based on other charges. On this side of the pond Amway is huge and has what many have called a cult, and there are some lawsuits related to the "tools" business. To my knowledge these were civil and not legal in nature. http://pyramidschemealert.org/analys...e-ftc-and-doj/

Originally Posted by littleroundman

The Banners Broker website may be down, but, it still shows as being hosted in Canada and as being pingable:

BB, sorry, Stellar Points office is in Whitby but it appears the server is in Oshawa (probably Raj's house as I think he lives in Oshawa).

Your IP address is 5.153.2.116
City: Oshawa
Country: Canada
Continent: North America
Time Zone: EST

Originally Posted by Ken Roklin

BB, sorry, Stellar Points office is in Whitby but it appears the server is in Oshawa (probably Raj's house as I think he lives in Oshawa).

Your IP address is 5.153.2.116
City: Oshawa
Country: Canada
Continent: North America
Time Zone: EST

Raj lives in Oshawa, aye.
I confirmed the address quite a few pages back.

It is public knowledge and should be easy enough to find again.

Jason

BB´s website is up agai but that does not mean its working. With most pages I either receive a:

"This webpage has a redirect loop"
or a:
"This webpage is not available"

notice.

But we have stay positive, those pages that do work open fast.

Originally Posted by Ken Roklin

BB, sorry, Stellar Points office is in Whitby but it appears the server is in Oshawa (probably Raj's house as I think he lives in Oshawa).

Your IP address is 5.153.2.116
City: Oshawa
Country: Canada
Continent: North America
Time Zone: EST

Guys...don't believe for a minute that BB is "self hosting" this site. SoftLayer is one of the largest hosting companies in the world. All BB did was move from one service provider to another -- probably because the prior provider told them to take their ponzi bullshit someplace else.

I wonder if these guys know they are now hosting an illegal activity:

SoftLayer® Management Team

Originally Posted by ribshaw

Hey P2P,

This may not be the exact direction that you want to go, but The Ross Institute Internet Archives for the Study of Destructive Cults, Controversial Groups and Movements has done a lot of work on cult mindset, not only in MLM, but in general. I do not know about any charges for willful blindness, as I think any cult leaders usually go to jail based on other charges. On this side of the pond Amway is huge and has what many have called a cult, and there are some lawsuits related to the "tools" business. To my knowledge these were civil and not legal in nature. http://pyramidschemealert.org/analys...e-ftc-and-doj/

Thanks very much "ribshaw." Your comment and the links which you supplied have taxed my brain a little too heavily to reply today but I will try to read learn and inwardly digest what you say by the end of the week.

I am waiting to hear from Jason as he may be able to put a stake through the heart of a British scumbag for me. He caught a BannersBroker POS with some clever technology and I hope he can pull it off again to nail somebody else. I have never set foot on any soil on your side of the Atlantic but I reached Iceland once and really loved the country.

Any idea why BannersBroker chose Iceland for a refuge? China was the first country to offer Iceland International aid after a major earthquake. There must be residents who remember the earthquake. I have holiday photographs of houses in solidified lava. The terror of the population and the help that they gained from China could be connected. I am sure that I would feel an indebtness to the Chinese if I had survived a trauma like that.

Apologies for going off at a tangent.

It would appear they have been assigned a block of 8 IP addresses

NewIP.jpg

The reverse whois points to Softlayer in Texas

SoftlayerUS.jpg

Originally Posted by path2prosperity

Any idea why BannersBroker chose Iceland for a refuge?

Look at the countries they have pushed into - Iceland, Egypt, Cyprus, Ireland, India, Portugal, African States, etc
What's the common theme? All are countries / states with economies on the verge of collapse (or recently have been). Countries loaded with people looking for a way to get ahead and willing to believe a bunch of conmen. Even the UK could be considered a struggling economy.

They have been unsuccessful in building large numbers here in Australia, and I put that down to the strength of our economy throughout the GFC and the aftermath. People here are, on the whole, pretty content with their lot and the ones who did get involved are more likely to have been involved in previous get-rich-quick schemes.

Originally Posted by samuel.r

Guys...don't believe for a minute that BB is "self hosting" this site. SoftLayer is one of the largest hosting companies in the world. All BB did was move from one service provider to another -- probably because the prior provider told them to take their ponzi bullshit someplace else.

I wonder if these guys know they are now hosting an illegal activity:

SoftLayer® Management Team

They do now.

Originally Posted by Hypanor

Look at the countries they have pushed into - Iceland, Egypt, Cyprus, Ireland, India, Portugal, African States, etc
What's the common theme? All are countries / states with economies on the verge of collapse (or recently have been). Countries loaded with people looking for a way to get ahead and willing to believe a bunch of conmen. Even the UK could be considered a struggling economy.

They have been unsuccessful in building large numbers here in Australia, and I put that down to the strength of our economy throughout the GFC and the aftermath. People here are, on the whole, pretty content with their lot and the ones who did get involved are more likely to have been involved in previous get-rich-quick schemes.

Yes, I noticed that too. They are focusing mainly on countries who are having economic struggles. I don't think they are doing well here in Canada either so maybe that is why the con-conference in Niagara Falls to try and con more Canadians. Although in Canada it is not due to the economy but rather that Raj has very few friends left in this part of the country due to the IFC scam whose offices in Peterborough were only about 60 KM from their current office in Whitby. If BB lasts long enough to have the Niagara Con-conference it will be mostly non-Canadians attending.

I informed them yesterday, the more the merrier.