Thread: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam

And a week ago, on the webinar, the same sort of questions and answers.....I hope people are still being patient......

Q&A Notes: Friday Feb 1, 2013 « Lukutis Banners Broker Blog

I also think this person is in the USA, I thought they did not operate there, and he still has the BB logo too

Another meeting if anyone is interested:-


New Banners Broker Business Presentation
At The:
Pearson Park Hotel
Monday Feb 11th

6.30-7pm prompt start

70-72 Pearson Park

City of Kingston upon Hull,

North Humberside
HU5 2TQ

Presenter Duncan Wood
All new guests and existing affiliates welcome

This Duncan Wood gets about a bit. He's also presenting at a meeting in Romford on 19th February.

Quick Google of Duncan Wood and found out he is associated with something called the Humber Property Network. This is how they describe BB (bold empahsis mine):-

What is Banners East Yorkshire?

It is a regular networking evening event In Hull for people to discover more about the company Banners Broker. To support, share ideas and solve problems for each other in order to grow our online advertising businesses.

What is Banners Broker?

Banners Broker is an online advertising company. Its product is banner impressions. These are sold to advertising clients on a network of over 200,000 websites.

An ad impression is what you see when you go to any site online that has banner ads – the banner that appears on the screen in front of you has been “targeted” to appear uniquely before your eyes. When someone else goes to that same site, they may get a different banner ad. It depends on who the advertiser intends to see his ad.

Banners Broker Is Not Multi-level Marketing.
As a Banners Broker affiliate or member, you are in fact running a business that purchases advertising inventory from Banners Broker. Advertising inventory is the space on a website that holds the advertisement. It’s like a blank billboard.

Banners Broker then “rents” that space out to paying advertisers to make a profit for:

• The affiliate (you),
• And Banners Broker itself

The website owner makes his revenue when Banners Broker buys bulk advertising inventory in the marketplace. The advertiser makes a profit by skilled advertising that creates want for his product or service.

With any business opportunity you need to do your due diligence so make an informed decision by speaking to other people who are part of the business.

Meet The Organisers Of Banners Broker East Yorkshire

The Banners Broker East Yorkshire Meetings are organised by Robin Shaw and Simon Cartwright, the co-founders of the

Humber Property Network.

Could whoever runs the banners brokers ponzi scam facebook page please PM me,

More on today's webinar, this time from the BB Iceland page

Chris speaking:

Look forward to seeing you in the UK :)

Updates:

Payouts -
India itself has challenges because of strict government rules. Good news is we now have a proper foothold inside the country. We have a payout solution for India. Exciting news!! We have worked hard to make this happen.

STP in India has been caught up thru end of January. As well as bank wires are caught up, have been submitted a couple weeks ago.

STP payouts had a little problem. There was a slight mistake that was quickly corrected. February 5th date was the mistake. Feb. 6th date payout is the correct one. Back office has been updated. Large STP payouts have now all been made. We are caught up through end of Dec. We will get caught up for January as quickly a possible.

By Monday the 11th, all lingering BB card payouts will be completed thru December. We are working hard to get this going and get everyone paid. January will be caught up soon.

USA BANK - December to January. Banking system for US every bank is different. Every day money is being sent out. Dozens of payments have been made, and your turn will come shortly if you have not been paid yet for US Bank.

BB Version 2.9 (Chris showing a PowerPoint for 2.9)

We are ready to go. Team is testing it out now. There is a testing team and things are looking great.

(*) Date for the officiallaunch is February 19th, 2013

Training will happen at the UK Tour, as 2.9 will be live. We will have discussion and overview of 2.9 at the UK event.

Features:

Reason for 2.9: We listen, we get feedback and we have tried to put in place features to alleviate confusion, and to implement fairness in accordance with our business model.

(*) Executive Membership - We have listened to feedback, and for fairness we have decided about the grandfather clause to be explained in a minute.

-Executive Membership will be $500/month.
-You must have a black panel or Prestige panel
-10 or more TP's for those who are new or do not have 10.
-Traffic Boosters will be $4
-Withdrawal BB Debit Card will be 10 calendar days ($35 fee for card)
We have not charged everyone for the card, who were not charged originally.
- ZERO fee for Support - Dedicated Personalized VIP support line.
$7 per call for Standard
Free 1 call a week for Premium, $5 per call after that.
Standard and Premium will have a different support line than Executice
- BB Business Profile on Special BB Blog Site.

(*) Grandfather clause - Feb. 19th
30 or more TP's you will automatically be upgraded to Executive type.
10-29 TP's you are grandfathered in as Premium members.. So..
When you add additional subscriptions you will automatically become Executive. OR if you have a pending withdrawal of $10,000 or more within a calendar month you will automatically become Executive.

Prestige Package (only Premium or Exectuive) (did not get cost, sorry)
Panel is $7290
REvenue cap $14,580

Sales credits are the same - 2 credits per panel to qualify.

Traffic Packs - NOTE: (*)you will now need to allocate your traffic when you get your subscription.

Incentive Traffic - blogs, videos testimonials, surveys - you will be rewarded with incentive traffic. You will have a content management console to manage your blog and video submission.
(*) Please NOTE: rollup credits will now be included in this traffic bank

Blogs, websites will be monitored and approved. One strike policy. if you go against the rules, you are banned from using Incentive Traffic.
NEW TRAFFIC BANK HAS CATEGORIES:
SALES CREDITS
TRAFFIC PACK BANK
ORGANIC
INCENTIVE

HE showed a picture of the new traffic bank allocation in your back office.

This will not affect your Traffic allowance/limit

He described how this will work, how each of your traffic banks will go up or down according to your allocation and use.

4 banks per color - 28 different traffic banks.

It appears that whether you're using any of the traffic banks, your inviter gets 1/2 credit.

Questions:

Why is the traffic pack fee coming one of two days earlier? Calendar days are being used - easier to do it every 30 days, rather than same date each month. Count 30 days and that's the next date due. Not necessarily the same date/day each month.

Can we carry over traffic? You have to now allocate it into each color bank. Prior to 2.9 you have one bank for general traffic. Now you need to put your traffic into proper bank from your traffic packs. Then you use it to qualify those specific color panels.

This will definitley be easier. Visually it will be easier, and easier to explain to new BB members. If you are already used to the old system, this will take some adjustments.

Chris showed a slide for how the Inviter credits work and are allocated. The type of credit you use will determine the type of credits your inviter gets.

(*) Chris showed the New BB Profile page. Executive Membership Type only!! It's a blog that's geared to you. You can put video there, comments. You are the administrator of this blog that BB is providing. We want to populate the Internet with thousands of BB Blogs to communicate with your people. The BB Profile page looks GREAT! :)

Support is now caught up, and all types are now live. Within the same day you will get a response for ticketing system. 24-48 hours would be worst case scenario. WE are glad to say we are now caught up and support will be much quicker and responsive to your needs.

In closing, I want to say that I am looking forward to the UK tour. Do not wait to the last minute. I cannot believe the response, it's like a Rock Concert ;) Only a few seats left. You do not want to be left out!! www.bbtour.com all info there.

Dashboard messages are there. Be sure to read all messages. Agree to the compliance, this is very important.

Thank you, again, we appreciate your effort and time, all the leaders who help to make this happen worldwide. From the team at BB and Stellar Point, we wish you a good weekend and see you in the UK.

Oh and Quebec? It is something to do with some of the law (civil I think) being French heritage. Have no idea what, if any, are the implications of that.

And trade marks must be in French, so according to Google Translate, Banners Broker would be Courtier Bannieres (with an accent over the first e).

Perhaps none of them can speak French?

Originally Posted by tdstern

The money paid by affiliates to purchase panels and packages, is used to purchase panels and traffic for the initial 2 complimentary cycles the affiliate receives. At the end of those cycles, the affiliate has their initial purchase back, and the same amount in inventory to use to build with. Please explain how this is a scam, when we're giving the affiliate their money back after 2 cycles complete, and then giving them the opportunity to generate online revenue from repeating what we just did for them? Sure BBI makes a profit, but every companythat sells products or services is entitled to make a profit on the sale of them.

Since BB needs to bid on the spaces it holds, let's use a rate of $.70/1000 impressions as what the network will pay BBI for fulfilling the traffic requirements.
BB takes that space, and says the space is worth $.15/1000 impressions but will give the affiliate $.30/1000 impressions for driving traffic to that space.
So to help you with the math, 70-30=40 (70 cents per thousand impressions is the revenue generated from the ad space, 30 cents per thousand impressions is given to the affiliate, and 40 cents per thousand impressions is kept by BBI). Once again, no scam here, the money paid to affiliates is built into the bids for the ad space, and deposited into their eWallet or used to repurchase panels if that's what they've decided.

Whether banners are a falling market or not isn't relevant here, because BBI doesn't get involved in the purchase of any advertising, only in generating revenue from the space. Whether banners are falling or not is a matter for the ad networks to deal with, since it's their program BBI subscribes to. You're trying to debate whether the program exists and has any value, yet what BBI offers is a variation of what ad networks currently offer. So how do you debate a system that was around before BBI even showed up on the scene?

Your arguments don't make sense.

My argument makes perfect sense. I said that a ponzi can be defined as an organisation with an affiliate pool where the pool brings nothing to the table. The pool do no "work" except perform a few mouse-clicks. The pool do nothing except give BB money and (according to BB) get much more back in return. Thus affiliates only cost BB money. The affiliates are commercially useless. Why therefore have them? They are utterly pointless. UNLESS BB is a ponzi.

Where does all your waffle about $0.XYX/000 impressions costs and profits come into it, when the fact REMAINS that the affiliates DO NOTHING to enrich BB, and only cost BB money? The only POSSIBLE reason why BB would have affiliates is that BB is a ponzi.

Originally Posted by Della Cate

Oh and Quebec? It is something to do with some of the law (civil I think) being French heritage. Have no idea what, if any, are the implications of that.

And trade marks must be in French, so according to Google Translate, Banners Broker would be Courtier Bannieres (with an accent over the first e).

Perhaps none of them can speak French?

Oui, je parle une peu d'francais ! lol

Della, each province in Canada has provincial law and federal law, so I'm guessing that Quebec may have a stricter provincial finance law? I know that the reason that they are not operating in the US ( well officially that is) is because BB can't satisfy the newer guidelines brought in since Madoff.

Originally Posted by Eponymous

...
"We here at Banners Broker International, located in the Isle of Mann...."

They don't even know how to spell the name of the Dependency that they are based in.....

They meant the Isle of Frederick Mann, it's secret island in atlantic sea and coordinates are confidential.

Originally Posted by AshKen1

And the next page in....


Attachment 3010

Wait a minute, what does that say.....

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BB has paid out $4million through STP and $7million through the card? In 2 years?

Wasn't the claim that they were paying out $1million a day?

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That's a bit of a difference, does that mean that $11million is al that's been withdrawn from the system, because I can't imagine Simon Stepsys, Ian Driscoll et al have let their money lie in BB ewallets...

@Theseus

Well maths is not their strong point is it?

3 x 12 hours remember....

This is the system where the algorithm was invented by a maths genius remember.

[Note to admins - love the emoticon]

dude, they got a blind network, so why not have a 'blind shift' as well ? lol

Originally Posted by AshKen1

@Theseus

Well maths is not their strong point is it?

3 x 12 hours remember....

This is the system where the algorithm was invented by a maths genius remember.

[Note to admins - love the emoticon]

Originally Posted by Della Cate

In closing, I want to say that I am looking forward to the UK tour. Do not wait to the last minute. I cannot believe the response, it's like a Rock Concert ;) Only a few seats left. You do not want to be left out!! www.bbtour.com all info there.

What exactly does this website have to do with BB??

Originally Posted by Della Cate

Oh and Quebec? It is something to do with some of the law (civil I think) being French heritage. Have no idea what, if any, are the implications of that.

And trade marks must be in French, so according to Google Translate, Banners Broker would be Courtier Bannieres (with an accent over the first e).

Perhaps none of them can speak French?

What is Google in French and presumably they (Google) have a presence in France?

Originally Posted by hendyphilhendy

What is Google in French and presumably they (Google) have a presence in France?

That's true. Google.fr is still.........Google. So it can't be that.

Originally Posted by Eponymous

What exactly does this website have to do with BB??

The only thing the website has to do with BB is this thread. This thread is debunking all the lies told by BB that it is this legal business, that they keep changing what it is depending on which day of the week it is and who is talking for BB. For example:

Terry Stern has told us that BB is not an advertising company or a broker, but is now involved in direct sales. Now when BB launched it was advertised as a straight line double cycler, the first of its kind. Then that changed to an advertising business which then changed to being a broker and now it is supposed to be a direct sales company.

Now when Duncan Hunter was asked what BB is, he replied, and I quote:

What is Banners Broker?

Banners Broker is an online advertising company. Its product is banner impressions. These are sold to advertising clients on a network of over 200,000 websites.

So you see it depends on who is talking as to what business BB is truly in. But that is not their only problem. BB announced that they were going to be doing business as Stellar Point. Confused now? Join the club. Heck even the people at BB are confused as to what business BB is in now too. I'm sure next week it will all change again depending on who is doing the talking. But BB is not a Ponzi.

For you to really get the understanding of this thread about BB, all you have to do is read from page 225 up to now and you will have a clear picture of what this thread is all about. I hope this helped you.

Originally Posted by tdstern

Thanks to your posting my home address, my picture and a picture of my home, I find out that there have been 3 people already that have come by and harassed my neighbours looking for information about me and spreading rumors about the company I work for. My girlfriend having learned this is so worried for her and her daughte that she will not stay in the house until such time as this has been resolved, in fact I just had to drive her to her parents house because some asshole woke us up to verify that I am "That" Terry Stern working for Stellar Point. This is what your objective is?

Happen to you often that sort of thing does it?

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will the admin of the Banners brokers ponzi page on facebook please pm me

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who's a pretty boy?

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This would make an excellent mug shot.​

Originally Posted by Della Cate

Re non use of the BB logo

Ponzi Point.jpg

awww terry you gone done made your facebook page all private, why don't you come back here to your real family and snuggle up to the realscam bosom? I miss you

And the foolishness continues
Banners Broker Ireland

Note the "person1 " and "person 2" jibe. Whats wriong BB. Afraid to say who they are? Im not afraid to say Banners Broker is a scam. Or to say Raj Dixit is a scammer. If you could ever produce an actual Chris Smith Ill tell you he is a scammer too. Please direct me to your lawyers so they can bring me to court.
You are a joke Banners Broker. Completely chicken. Incapable of even saying who will sue me.
If I was a scammer myself I would easily claim to be Banners Broker myself because I know you cant defend any claims to being a real business in court. I could easily sypohin off your income. I hope rival scammers are not reading this. In fact even Terry or others in your organisation could set up a competing rival group and "sell impressions" the same way you are doing it. Their cut would be massive comopared to what they get at the moment.
Look out Raj it could be people in your own camp.

Jesus Christ, I could actually feel my brain melting trying to read that rubbish. These are exactly the type of people that the scammers love to see coming. Like shooting fish in a barrel.

I have no doubt that Ash reads this(even if he does not understand it all). Suggestion Ash, proof read your material. I counted 5 mistakes in the first paragraph alone.

Originally Posted by Della Cate

This Duncan Wood gets about a bit.

I personally know Duncan and believe his upliner was the famous Ian Driscoll and he has even been on the same billing as him at presentations:

Banners Broker A Journey : Forthcoming Presentations Q&A

After joining about 18 months Duncan claims to have made tens of thousands from the programme. Having spoken face to face with him, I believe he genuinely believes it is a legitimate business that is going to grow and grow...either that or he is the most convincing (and unlikely) liar scammer I've met. However, he is also one of the biggest advocates of BB:

https://twitter.com/DuncanWood2
Duncan Wood - United Kingdom | LinkedIn
Duncan Wood - YouTube
https://plus.google.com/107060327635906100799/posts

Search on Duncan Wood Banners Broker and plenty comes up.