Thread: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam

Excellent question for mr stern/grant/chris smith .......gosh I get so confused .......agree re: sarcasm smiley required clever bunch on here can surely make one.............

more and more and more nz believers appearing online and in person, terry is helping some what, but the kiwi's seem to have just got the bb bug, help spread the word down here don't let us rely on just Terry's help (I hear he's pretty **** at his job!) Kiwi's super excited still and too soon for them to feel they have any concern and now I hear preachers claiming "they've been in business for 2 years and Ponzi's don't last that long " .......I can't believe the tremendous stupidity given the google.co.nz search features finch and rs.....cue the applause for that.....and yet Mr Stern's post appears as the proof and naysayers have no evidence...........when is there enough evidence? I mean it...when is there enough evidence, not till victims come forward? some already have......how do these scams usually 'play out' in the final hour?

Originally Posted by Beacon

Nice find on the Manchester US job if it is real since the scammers have always claimed they are not operating in the US and we have provided evidence that they do indeed operate there but we havent seen any offices there yet.

Slimon Stepsys has a new BB FB page with a 'leaked' screenshot of a new panel. Someone asked how long it would take to cap and someone else said a year. Hehe.

http://www.facebook.com/SimonStepsys...00536390360670

Feel free to post screenshots, I can't on my mobile. I also have another gem coming up!

General Managers and ICs at Stella Point! Any familiar faces?

Timeline Photos | Facebook

Originally Posted by Della Cate

No, I have found the job ad again on another UK site, so I am not going mad.

This interestingly gives a contact name(well, email) for eager applicants: ltsiakos. And by chance, I note that there is a Ms L. Tsiakos on Linkedin who works for Stellar Point in Canada. Could this be the new "lady manager" who is going to come over to be the office Manager in Salford Quays?

She is "Tech Support" at Steller (sic) Point, Whitby, Ontario, Canada - that's them, isn't it? One of her connections is "Stellar Point"; and one of its connectiuons is one Rajiv Dixit, so I assume it's all the same outfit.

They're a bit cheap, using the exact same ad for Manchester NH and Manchester UK, don't you think? No tailoring it to the local market. And still no inkling of where they are going to be working.....

Yeah and I note Mark mark | Mark Stokes
mentions
"100 staff in 3 12 hour shifts at stella point Canada
15,000 square foot office paid for in cash"

mark stolkes blog.jpg

Imagine that - he doesn't even know the name and believes there are 100 people employed there?

Then again Leanna Tsiakos cant be the Canadian woman as she works for
Steller point

Leanna Tsiakos.jpg

She isnt listed as working at Stellar Point but then again neither is anyone else
Nor is their corporate setup or board listed

Stellar Point - About Us

Odd that Brand new website and it doesn't even mention Raj or Gloria or Lorenzo or Hooker or Stern? so Leanna might well be the one.

I wonder if she will be the "Canadian executive" . If not someone better tell Raj that another company with a similar name is operating in Whitby.

Maybe he can offer them some "training"?

Of course it is expert in scamming and pertending to actually do real business from a real office so of course Stellar Point offers a "virtual office " facility.

Professional Telephone Answering in your Company Name
24/7 Voicemail Service / Voicemail to Email
Telephone Hook-up Including Phone Number Assignment

Not only that but they can charge for "fake fronts" and actually get money out of other people to pay for their new actual real employees:
Professional Business Addresses in 5 countries.

Mail Collection in 5 Countries.

Courier Incoming/Outgoing in 5 Countries

Professional Telephone Answering in your Company Name in 5 Countries

24/7 Voicemail Service / Voicemail to Email

Telephone Hook-up Including Phone Numbers in 5 Countries

Marketing Rep in 1 Location

Greeter to welcome your walk-in clients in 5 Countries.

Administrative and Professional Services

Global Offices

And guess what?

[/b]They take paypal?[/b]
payment methiod.jpg

Imagine that . Six months ago when they were called Banners Broker they never would accept Paypal.
Now they do! I wonder what Paypal will have to say about that?

Anyone on for contacting Paypal?

I wonder if all these different spellings of SP are accidental or deliberate? You know, to confuse search engines and searchers?

Stella....Steller.....Stellar.....and I've noticed in some case it's all one word: StellarPoint. It was the one word version which threw up the Manchester USA job advert.

Originally Posted by kiwichick

how do these scams usually 'play out' in the final hour?

usually they just go bang and the top people vanish or try to claim it was "economic" reasons or even blame those pesky kids at (insert most vociferous forum here) for badmouthing the "business". Most of the faithful will still not accept BB as a ponzi, long after it is dead.

Interesting to see what reason they give if they cancel the UK tour though!

Having a wild conjecturing day here :

Mr S Goes to Canada
Mr S lets slip new panel on Facebook
Job Ads for minions Salford Quays in Manchester
Vacancy for top slot in UK
Top bod would have to live near Manchester

Maybe nothing of course, likely to be so. Maybe I see a link

Originally Posted by Dreamstealer

usually they just go bang and the top people vanish or try to claim it was "economic" reasons or even blame those pesky kids at (insert most vociferous forum here) for badmouthing the "business". Most of the faithful will still not accept BB as a ponzi, long after it is dead.

Interesting to see what reason they give if they cancel the UK tour though!

What I'd like to know is this; how can you buy tickets for the shindig in Manchester? Not that I want to, or would be able to, go, but how can you get hold of tickets? They have a page for it, but none of the links for tickets or even the location are active. Perhaps you have to be a member before you can get access to tickets? I'm sure I have seen mention of buying tickets in the back office (for affiliates). And I think Mark Stokes offers to BUY you a ticket if you sign up with him. Now there's an offer!

Regarding any cancellation of the tour, Mystic Della predicts that it might be cancelled because of "concern about the safety of our people thanks to those nasty folk at (insert name here)"

On the other hand, it could go ahead and be proclaimed a roaring success. One thing is certain, it won't be allowed to be seen as a failure!

@Beacon

"100 staff in 3 12 hour shifts at stella point Canada 15,000 square foot office paid for in cash"

3 x 12 hours shifts? Obviously 24 hours a day not enough.....

(Desperately searching for sarcasm emoticon here)

Originally Posted by AshKen1

@Beacon



3 x 12 hours shifts? Obviously 24 hours a day not enough.....

(Desperately searching for sarcasm emoticon here)

Oh, thanks for this, AshKen1! It made me shriek with laughter!

Sarcasm emoticon is desperately needed.

Originally Posted by silly sally

General Managers and ICs at Stella Point! Any familiar faces?

Timeline Photos | Facebook

Silly Sally

I think the chap on the left is the Irish Independent Contractor (ie head man) Paul M. As far as I am aware, he's been awfully quiet since his return from BB HQ, I wonder why. I don't know any of the other people's names, but I vaguely recognise one or two faces from the photos put up on facebook.

Originally Posted by AshKen1

@Beacon



3 x 12 hours shifts? Obviously 24 hours a day not enough.....

(Desperately searching for sarcasm emoticon here)

Again the pedant in me initially nioticed that but thought it meant three 12 hour overlapping shifts rotating every eight hours or rostered as early/late/night

That's how Law enforcement works.
Or maybe Raj picked up the similar shift design from acquaintances who were familiar with the prison service?

Anyway I reckon now I give Raj to much credit for actually knowing anything at all about staff rosters or shift systems.

Originally Posted by Beacon

Again the pedant in me initially nioticed that but thought it meant three 12 hour overlapping shifts rotating every eight hours or rostered as early/late/night

That's how Law enforcement works.
Or maybe Raj picked up the similar shift design from acquaintances who were familiar with the prison service?

Anyway I reckon now I give Raj to much credit for actually knowing anything at all about staff rosters or shift systems.

Maybe you are right on where such a shift pattern is usual.

The pedantic part of me just had to pick up on how many shifts you can get into 24 hours.... er.... 3 (one more than 2 and one less than 4) and multiply it by... 12 etc etc etc = 24??????????????????????????

Could well be cross over shifts, but still doesn't work in a 24 hour period. Always happy to be educated though

Originally Posted by silly sally

Slimon Stepsys has a new BB FB page with a 'leaked' screenshot of a new panel. Someone asked how long it would take to cap and someone else said a year. Hehe.

http://www.facebook.com/SimonStepsys...00536390360670

Feel free to post screenshots, I can't on my mobile. I also have another gem coming up!

Originally Posted by silly sally

General Managers and ICs at Stella Point! Any familiar faces?

Timeline Photos | Facebook

Originally Posted by Della Cate

Sarcasm emoticon is desperately needed.

Consider it done.

Type ( then ! then ) or check in the "more" list of the "insert a smiley" dropdown in a new text box.

Martin Wild on the webinar!!!

Martin Wild's comments/ notes

He is heading up the Manchester event

In 14 months he is now a BB millionaire


He has encouraged someone to ditch their wedding to come to the BB meet!!!!!


All execs in attendance, including Chris, Raj, David Lorenzo - also all programmers etc. are coming along

Originally Posted by hendyphilhendy

Martin Wild's comments/ notes

He is heading up the Manchester event

In 14 months he is now a BB millionaire


He has encouraged someone to ditch their wedding to come to the BB meet!!!!!


All execs in attendance, including Chris, Raj, David Lorenzo - also all programmers etc. are coming along

He's a legitimate business man, you know.

Got a bit bored on teh webinar and had a couple of distractions so not got full notes - sure they will be out later

I did however, copy the q&a from sidebar - some interesing points made

Thank you for joining us for our Friday Q & A Webinar.

We will begin shortly.



Audience Question
Q: panel speed become very slow
A: We are aware. Things slow down after Christmas. Thank you.

Great excuse - Christmas slowdown? What in people watching websites

Audience Question
Q: Thanks to all BannersBroker staff.
A: Thank you also.



Audience Question
Q: When campagins OT will work again?
A: We are working on it. Please be patient.



Audience Question
Q: Please honour the payza payouts thanks
A: Sorry, we are behind, you should be seeing action shortly.

More payment issues

Audience Question
Q: Thank you..
A: Thanks!



Audience Question
Q: where can I find your answer to my tickets?
A: Support should be contacting you.



Audience Question
Q: Why are payments to the preferred choice (BB Mastercard) still taking in my own case 3 days short of 1 Month.
Why are we being charged $100 admin fee, for propossed payments in 14 working days, as a Premium Member, when the most important factor that causes so much negative chat online is "Late, or Non Payment in due time"??
A: Please be patient. We are a touch behind.

Standard - be patient!

Audience Question
Q: why dont you pay us in time? my only income is BB and this is not working when the money doesent come in time!!!!!!
A: We are grateful for your patience, it's because of the duplicate requests made my affiliates. The system will not allow the withdrawal if an affiliate makes multilple withdrawals requests, and so we have to go in and reset it. Lately we've had to do it for thousands of accounts, and so this has delayed our payment schedule. Your payment should be received shortly. Thank you so much.



Audience Question
Q: where can I find your answer to my tickets?
A: Please contact support by telephone… 905-233-2351



Audience Question
Q: 1-Why Quebec is the only province in Canada to not be allowed to be in business with Banners Broker?
A: Thank you for your question. It's actually because the Quebec laws are different than the rest of Canada

I found this interesting? What laws could possibly prevent this 'business' trading in this province?

Audience Question
Q: I would like to know where does it happen the next payment to STP I'm waitting ?
A: It is on the way, thank you



Audience Question
Q: We need help on strategies on growing our account. Will you be doing training on strategies on 23 rd Saturday
A: We are working on training seminars, although the webinars should assist



Audience Question
Q: sir can u tell me about panels speed very slow
A: We understand. Things tend to slow down after Christmas.



Audience Question
Q: We need help on strategies on growing our account. Will you be doing training on strategies on 23 rd Saturday
A: You're invitor should be able to advise you also.



Audience Question
Q: What's the name of the guy speaking please
A: Martin Wild



Audience Question
Q: I miss sales credit and I submitted a ticket but it was deleted!!
A: Okay Support will be able to help you with what went wrong, if you contact them with your contact info we'll find out what happened



Audience Question
Q: Can we invite a non affiliets to the meeting so they can see and meet other people,
A: Please speak to your inviter

Surely this should be a straightforward answer!

Audience Question
Q: I miss sales credit and I submitted a ticket but it was deleted!!
A: Please resubmit



Audience Question
Q: Hi Chris, the new Executive level, will that be automatic for people buying 10 or more TP's or will it be optional? Thank you.
A: For now it is optional



Audience Question
Q: how to get letter for making Visa for the UK trip?
A: Please call support or your inviter for your country



Audience Question
Q: I have a referral that want to put $20,000 to $25,000 into Banners, is that possible and if so which package to recommend he purchase
A: Please speak to your inviter concerning business questions.



Audience Question
Q: Are the payments up to date for February please
A: We are working on it. Our sincere apologies for being behind.



Audience Question
Q: On the Friday 22nd Feb Info session is it FREE?
A: Please look on the site.



Audience Question
Q: when will Organic link be working?
A: We are working on it



Audience Question
Q: IN VERSION 2.9 ,HOW WILL AUTOMATIC ROLL UP WORK ???
A: Stay tuned…it will be released in February 2013.



Audience Question
Q: When can we expect to get the money that we already had on our STP accounts and was refunded ? Or what should we do to recieve it, should we contact support ?
A: Thank you for your question, we are working on the withdrawals for you so you should have it soon



Audience Question
Q: payza withdraw? no news sir?
A: We are behind and trying to get caught up. Thank you



Audience Question
Q: I requested my STP payout back on 4 Jan 2013. When will that one come? (reason I ask...it was not in the Dec batch)
A: We are working hard on getting caught up. Thank you



Audience Question
Q: When will BB executives visit Germany?
A: Thank you for your question, we are planning a European Tour, stay tuned!



Audience Question
Q: What about US Banks?
A: From December to the end of January, it is an individual process. Every country is slightly different and we are working hard on getting caught up!

I thought our friend Terry said that they were now using a 'global' option as this was why they couldn't use paypal (aas well as the excuse about fees). Also I thought they weren't allowed to operate in the US?

Audience Question
Q: December!!!!!!!! will have the money latest 11 feb
A: We understand your frustation. We are working hard on getting caught up.



Audience Question
Q: are bb will visit arabic country ??
A: Thank you, we would LOVE to, stay tuned:)



Audience Question
Q: When will the phones be staffed in Canada? The live chat said I had 21 in que before me for 8 hours after I submitted my ticket. Then it told me chat wasn't available afer I resubmitted my ticket.
A: Please call this number: 905-233-2351



Audience Question
Q: Any plans to Tour Australia?
A: We are working on another stop for our World tour, thank you for your question



Audience Question
Q: Please explain me why al this is not a ponzi's scheme... Can you?
A: A ponzi scheme is illegal. BB is about business.

Ah, phew, that clears that one up then

Audience Question
Q: what new in v2.9 ?
A: Executive Membership



Audience Question
Q: What happens if delayed payments from Jan that are not paid will these cancel feb requests even if they are greater than 7 days apart
A: No, we just need to get caught up



Audience Question
Q: I received my BB card and registered with Vector but when I try to draw from BB, its says I dont have a card and need to contact support which I have done but not heard back yet. How long does it take for it to register with BB?
A: Thank you for your question, it should be sorted out by support shortly



Audience Question
Q: I don´t see the answer to my questions, so here is another one. When are You coming to Puerto Rico. I will be there!
A: Stay tuned for news about new countries. Thank you



Audience Question
Q: sir what about bb master card?i have recieved an email from vectorcard services 2 weeks before but didnt get my bb card.please guide me sir
A: Please contact Vector card concerning this issue.



Audience Question
Q: the old panels are very slow,are the new panels are fast ??
A: The delay is over now thanks to our Tech team



Audience Question
Q: will the ads campaigns begin working?
A: Yes



Audience Question
Q: bb lauch new v2.9 what heppen old members ?
A: This will launch on February 19th, 2013



Audience Question
Q: STP charged me $50.00 abuse of account because BB took my money back...Is BB going to cover this fee???
A: Thank you for your question, please contact support and tell them what happened.



Audience Question
Q: Have You decided the name of the new package yet?
A: Executive Membership



Audience Question
Q: if i ve got 9 TP right now and I'm old user so if i ever would like one more TP so its mean I'll be become executive member?
A: Yes



Audience Question
Q: Will US residents receive any forms for tax purposes showing how much we withdrew in 2012?
A: Thank you for your question, we will clarify this issue

Really, are you sure - surely this is standard practice!

Audience Question
Q: Packag still not allow to buy here in pakistan, Kindy open it for transferring only direct once
A: Thank you, we are working on it



Audience Question
Q: so 10 packs does not auto upgrade to exec
A: Correct



Audience Question
Q: so if I purchase up to 10 today I can still be premium, correct
A: Correct



Audience Question
Q: this adding TP is counted since Feb 19th? Or today
A: 19th



Audience Question
Q: Why is it big secret on strategies ?
A: It's not. Your inviter should be able to help you.



Audience Question
Q: why you are behind for payza payment, any special reason, sir
A: Thank you for your question.. The payment schedule is delayed because of multiple requests by an affiliate. In this case we have hundreds of affiliates who've made duplicate requests. Our system automatically blocks multiple requests made by one affiliate. So we have had to go in to our programming and fix it so that people get their withdrawal. To do this for hundreds of affiliates has delayed the schedule for everyone. This is why it's taking so long.

Affiliates fault again - what a pain these affiliates are!

Audience Question
Q: A lot of inviters dont support their downlines.
A: Try watching our webinars on our site.

Ah, no penalisation for being a crap inviter!

Audience Question
Q: thanks for stp payment and sorting out problem so quickly and efficently mike
A: You're welcome, thank you for your understanding:)



Audience Question
Q: can i get in touch with martin wild abiut ticket purchase please
A: Please look at the site for details concerning tickets and other information.



Audience Question
Q: I would like to change my premium member to be standard member, how do I change it?
A: Please contact support



Audience Question
Q: please tell us specific date, when you will pay payza payout, sir, please
A: Our sincere apologies, we are behind and working hard to get caught up.



Audience Question
Q: I received money 2 days ago on my STP account and I made withdrawing request from STP to my credit card. Later on you refunded this money in some reason. My STP got negatibe balance. Today STP charged me Account Abuse fee 50 USD. You should help me with this, becayse STP support not responding and it was BB error, not my.
A: Thank you for your

Darn, must have missed the end - presumably BB will refund STP charges in this scenario as it is their fault?

Originally Posted by hendyphilhendy

Martin Wild's comments/ notes

He is heading up the Manchester event

In 14 months he is now a BB millionaire


He has encouraged someone to ditch their wedding to come to the BB meet!!!!!


All execs in attendance, including Chris, Raj, David Lorenzo - also all programmers etc. are coming along

Gosh! BB worth more than a wedding eh? Perhaps the bride/groom who was ditched should consider that he/she has had a narrow escape, if that's what the prospective life partner considers more important.....

Terry is it your day off or are you too busy sterilising all the bad juju from the BB facebook page?,

Hendyphilhendy - I've just read through all those questions and answers. Thanks for posting them. I'm not copying them all here to avoid making too long a post but I am sure people will know to what I am referring.

Very interesting for what they didn't say as much as what they did.

I'm now going to state the obvious, they really don't tell you very much, do they? It's all "oh, we're a bit behind, sorry" or "contact support"; even though it's clear to me that people are getting very cross about non payments or tickets being cancelled. There isn't even an attempt to explain how they might try to sort it out or what "lessons have been learned" (normally a favourite phrase when someone or something is caught out!)

(As for Quebec, yes, odd. Could it be something French do you think? I don't think BB is in France nor has it tried to be, has it? And the only thing I can think of is some sort of French link. Do you think there could be something there? This is a wild guess on my part, mind you)

Do you know, it gives the very strong impression to me of an organisation that really doesn't care. Funny, that.

Re non use of the BB logo - yes, it has been purged from the Banners Broke Facts and Updates Facebook site sometime today. It was there at midday but by 5pm it had gone.

Originally Posted by kiwichick

Banners Broker New Zealand/Australia

56 minutes ago.



Sorry guys, because of Banners Brokers new policies, affiliates can no longer share screen shots of their account. Hence the removal of my "account progress" album

Im more than happy to skype people if you were interested about the business and share my screen with you to show you my own account.

Ill plan on a webinar in the near future :)

Thank you

GOSH TERRY WELL DONE, SEEMS YOU CAN DO ONE PART OF YOUR JOB WELL, CENSOR ALL BB AFFILIATES RIGHT TO FREE SPEECH AND HIDE BB EWALLET SCREEEN SHOTS!!! Don't worry though we all have the screen shots saved and collected for the authorities............

But he said they would lose their accounts. Haven't yet.