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02-05-2013, 01:37 PM
#8001
Re: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam
Originally Posted by
Beacon
How did your moral position become so morally absolute as to announce anyone else's as "morally reprehensible"?
Mine was stated in relative terms, i.e. "what's right for one is wrong for another". I'm not going to discuss Holocaust in this context. You can do as you please.
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02-05-2013, 01:37 PM
#8002
Re: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam
Originally Posted by
Finix
Yep. Personally, I enjoyed the comparison between BB and KFC the most. Once you purchase your boxed chicken for 2K, you become a member of the KFC staff and your wages are what you are able to make from pimping the 2K boxes of chicken to others.
Elegantly and simply put. Explains everything. Like that a lot.
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02-05-2013, 01:40 PM
#8003
Re: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam
Originally Posted by
Finix
This is a really bad line of argument if morality is your topic. Suicide is a sin according to several major ethical systems. As is greed which is the main driving force behind wanting to be deceived.
according to the same moral systems - "two wrongs do not make a right"
or "One can not do an evil act so that good may come of it"
The fact that a wrong may lead to someone doing something which is also wrong is not a "bad line of argument," it is logically consistent.
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02-05-2013, 01:47 PM
#8004
Re: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam
Originally Posted by
Finix
Curiously, from the perspective of the same ethical systems based on which ponzies are morally wrong.
Yes - doing something wrong e.g. murdering the ponzi scheme admin is looked upon as wrong just as being the admin of a ponzi scheme is looked upon as wrong. Both are wrong nothing curious about that. Also if the Admin of the scheme didnt first exist the murder could not happen. FACT ! nothing curious about that either.
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02-05-2013, 01:54 PM
#8005
Re: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam
Originally Posted by
Finix
Mine was stated in relative terms, i.e. "what's right for one is wrong for another". I'm not going to discuss Holocaust in this context. You can do as you please.
Of course you will run away from discussing the Holocaust in this context. this is in spite of asking for proof of moral absolutes. Then when confronted with one you run away from it! You are not going to discuss it because you can't admit it was and ALWAYS WILL BE a morally wrong action. You can't admit certain acts are always absolutely wrong so you just refuse to discuss them. don't think for one second that anyone reading what you have written will for one second accept your moral relativism can justify such acts or that you come across as more tolerant by not admitting that such acts are always wrong. But feel free to dodge the issue by refusing to discuss moral absolutes when confronted by them.
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02-05-2013, 02:03 PM
#8006
Re: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam
You can't admit certain acts are always absolutely wrong
If they were absolutely (meaning for everyone and at all times) wrong, they would not exist. As simple as that.
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02-05-2013, 02:08 PM
#8007
Re: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam
Wow, people must be really bored...
"if they are giving the Banners Broker Mastercard,Banners Broker must be a real company." -BB member.
"A toyota means 1 thing. Extrenal revenue. That is proof."-BB member
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02-05-2013, 02:20 PM
#8008
Re: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam
They are asking for notarized IDs as well? Geez, a little identity theft gig on the side or just a stalling tactic?
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02-05-2013, 02:23 PM
#8009
Re: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam
Definitely theft. They have been pushing that for a long time.
"if they are giving the Banners Broker Mastercard,Banners Broker must be a real company." -BB member.
"A toyota means 1 thing. Extrenal revenue. That is proof."-BB member
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02-05-2013, 02:24 PM
#8010
Re: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam
Originally Posted by
Finix
Yep. Personally, I enjoyed the comparison between BB and KFC the most.
Hmmm...
Colonel Sanders.....Chris Smith.....naaaw....
Having said that, there'll be plenty of BB affiliates running around like headless chickens when it all goes (deep) south....
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02-05-2013, 02:30 PM
#8011
Re: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam
Originally Posted by
littleroundman
thanks LRM, much appreciated, like to have these 'gems' stored in case they needed in the future, can anyone find any more on Allan Mitchell, from Tauranga, nz.....I have emailed and facebooked him and no response, he is the guy from Hypanor's video a while back....ripping off someone's nana....who just had brain surgery and in a rutt.....tisk tisk Allan......I am keen to make sure that all the nz upliners are recorded here for the e-crime lab to use in the future.........
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02-05-2013, 02:32 PM
#8012
Re: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam
Originally Posted by
Poyol
Same types of agencies visiting my blog - it's not as good as Finch's - but I can see 'em!
Jason
good news Jason, @Jason and martin88....any of these agencies from nz? am I having an affect yet?
kiwi
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02-05-2013, 03:03 PM
#8013
Re: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam
Originally Posted by
Finix
If they were absolutely (meaning for everyone and at all times) wrong, they would not exist. As simple as that.
So you claim what was done in the Holocaust will not always be wrong? that at some time in the future it might be right for someone to do or might be justified by someone ?
How about the adult and the six year old? Always wrong from them to do it at all times or it might be totally acceptable for some adult to do this in the future?
Apparently child abusers or Nazis dont exist in your view of the world?
Now back to Ponzis. Scamming people like this is wrong. Maybe you can't admit that but it is just wrong. It is certainly wrong illegal and immoral right this minute but even if a law was passed making it legal it would still be wrong. No amount of you trying to make it "right" for the scammer will ever make it right just because you think moral relativism is right - except of course for all the people who don't accept your moral relativism. They according to you are "wrong" ? so in the end your tolerance boils down to tolerating people who agree with your views.
Simple as that! And I will never let a moral relativist off in claiming that Banners Broker could in some way have a blanket of "morally justifiable" . It isnt! It is a scam and it is wrong!
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02-05-2013, 03:06 PM
#8014
Re: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam
Please guys, if you insist on staying off topic can ye chat through PM.
"if they are giving the Banners Broker Mastercard,Banners Broker must be a real company." -BB member.
"A toyota means 1 thing. Extrenal revenue. That is proof."-BB member
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02-05-2013, 03:16 PM
#8015
Re: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam
Originally Posted by
noname999
Please guys, if you insist on staying off topic can ye chat through PM.
I don't exchange PMs with people I don't already know, especially with those who have a tendency to write very long posts about nothing. It's a marker for a certain personality type. As for staying on topic, I'm honestly trying to. :)
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02-05-2013, 03:18 PM
#8016
Re: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam
Originally Posted by
noname999
Please guys, if you insist on staying off topic can ye chat through PM.
The general topic ( moral relativism) might not seem pertinent to you . But it is the specific manifestation that is relevant. If anyone used their world view of "it depends" to suggest that Banners Broker isnt actually wrong and "it depends on the situation" and "it might be okay" then I believe we can't let that go unchallenged.
We can't endorse a Ponzi as in any way morally acceptable or the right thing to do, for to do so puts us on slippery slope to justifying it.
I write "we" because it isn't just my opinion. Ponzis are wrong and if anyone against scams accepts that scammers are doing the right thing then what is the point of claiming they are against scams?
Having stated that Im happy to keep things to PM. Furthermore I dont have anything personal against the poster just the implications of the philosophy they are proposing.I dont resort to ad hominem.
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02-05-2013, 03:20 PM
#8017
Re: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam
Then set up a thread to discuss it. People come here to research BB, not to sift through pages of people talking through their ass.
"if they are giving the Banners Broker Mastercard,Banners Broker must be a real company." -BB member.
"A toyota means 1 thing. Extrenal revenue. That is proof."-BB member
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02-05-2013, 03:29 PM
#8018
Re: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam
Originally Posted by
noname999
People come here to research BB.
Let's put it back on track then. BB is an obvious scam. There is no other way to describe it. If someone thinks differently, they can explain what is it about BB that makes them think it is a real business.
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02-05-2013, 03:32 PM
#8019
Re: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam
Originally Posted by
noname999
Then set up a thread to discuss it. People come here to research BB, not to sift through pages of people talking through their ass.
If you can indicate a logical inconsistency in any of my arguments then feel free to do so.
But I'll state it again.
I won't let anyone suggest that "Banners Broker is a morally justifiable scheme" might in any way be an reliable valid or acceptable proposition. To accept that is to clothe it in a argument which then will progress to morally justifying it!
Saying "it all depends" is a bit like claiming a court has no actual basis in jurisprudence and based on that you can claim any law you don't like is not really applicable to you.
In conclusion - Im not talking out of my ass. I can spot an invalid moral justification and indicate it at source. And it is important that that is done because if it isnt someone may arrive and reenter it later.
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02-05-2013, 03:32 PM
#8020
Re: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam
Originally Posted by
Finix
Let's put it back on track then. BB is an obvious scam. There is no other way to describe it. If someone thinks differently, they can explain what is it about BB that makes them think it is a real business.
I know there are plenty BB shills & pimps lurking, I just don't think they have the guts to try and do that.
"if they are giving the Banners Broker Mastercard,Banners Broker must be a real company." -BB member.
"A toyota means 1 thing. Extrenal revenue. That is proof."-BB member
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02-05-2013, 03:38 PM
#8021
Re: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam
Originally Posted by
Finix
Let's put it back on track then. BB is an obvious scam. There is no other way to describe it. If someone thinks differently, they can explain what is it about BB that makes them think it is a real business.
That is a fair comment. Maybe I was mistaken. I thought you were proposing not that people had a right to say they support Banners Broker but that any scam in general and Banners Broker in particular might possibly be morally justifiable. If you believe it might possibly be justifiable then care to an explain what is it about BB that makes it so? Otherwise care to explain what is the difference between "no measurable evidence for unicorns" and just simply "no unicorns"? the point is there isnt a grey area here ther are tweo absolutes. either it is a scam or it isnt. which side do you chose?
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02-05-2013, 03:47 PM
#8022
Re: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam
Originally Posted by
noname999
I know there are plenty BB shills & pimps lurking, I just don't think they have the guts to try and do that.
You never know. Some of them like to argue. You've seen a few in this thread already. More importantly, someone who maybe got bamboozled into BB by a well-intentioned friend or relative without paying much attention to the BB itself might wake up in the process of trying to defend it.
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02-05-2013, 03:47 PM
#8023
Re: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam
David Hooker has been flat-out lying about me at the recent UK events:
This from one of my sources who was there...
You may or may not be pleased to know that you were personally mentioned by David Hooker I believe his name is, their Compliance Director, he advised us to ignore your blog, I think they are trying to pre-empt the fact that people will try and do research. They also interestingly claimed that your wife is a Banners Broker Affiliate. I somehow doubt that is true, but I think you should be aware that that is what they are claiming.
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It was your wife he said, he implied you had her join in order to try and drive revenue from banner advertising on your own site higher. The manner in which it was said was just outright nasty.
Also referenced here:
Banners Broker A Journey : David Hooker - West Bromwich - Full Audience
My 'wife' (who is actually my fiancé) has never been a part of BannersBroker, and she hates the company even more than I do.
Pretty funny how the Chief Director of Compliance is caught with his pants down making wholly inaccurate claims that might be considered slanderous...
When I confronted Terry Stern over this lack of compliance with the truth from BB's leading compliance officer, I received this:
"I've spoken to Mr. Hooker regarding this matter, and he's clearly stated that he, like any company, advised our affiliates against getting caught up in the inaccurate and misleading information that these blogs are putting out there. As far as stating your wife being an affiliate, he may have mis-spoken when referring to your mother, however, this is public information as you've posted it on your site as well, and what he sated was that bloggers use the negative press and controversy to drive traffic to their websites to sell their products, which is also true in many cases."
I'm not sure if this counts as an apology?
What does 'mis-spoken' mean?
Is that ponzi speak for 'I lied and got found out'?
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02-05-2013, 03:48 PM
#8024
Re: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam
Is the world tour a last attempt to steal more cash?
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02-05-2013, 03:59 PM
#8025
Re: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam
Originally Posted by
Dreamstealer
Is the world tour a last attempt to steal more cash?
Either that or the admin always wanted to travel overseas and that's his only way of doing so.
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