Thread: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam

Originally Posted by WealthBoy

I could not really understand why you guys here are debating about BB...of course it is a ponzi program but BB has just become a little bit sophisticated to make the program last longer (or maybe become a little bit stable though many would be raising eyebrows here).

Now, you might say that am a critic of BB. No, I am also an investor in BB. I invested in there last April or May 2012 and so far I already got back my initial investment and some profits.

Is this a big ponzi? Yes, it is...no question on that. Let's call a ponzi a ponzi so that people will be careful if ever they would invest with BB.

So are you saying that if you know Banners Broker is a Ponzi scheme, it's okay to steal other peoples money? Bearing in mind that many/most don't know they are in fact joining a Ponzi scheme, Banners Broker do their damnedest to hide the fact it's a Ponzi Scheme with all the advertising BS.

OH! and by the way you do know that Ponzi schemes are illegal whether disguised or not don't you?

Originally Posted by waverider

Hi, Gregg,
~snip~

By the way, name-calling, by calling me "a lying sack of ****" is not very professional and does not add to the credibility of this forum, if you could kindly refrain from such childish actions, that would be muchly appreciated. I'd like to think we're all adults here, and that we're able to act rationally and make our comments, opinions, experiences and such in a professional manner without resorting to such childish tactics. Not that I'm complaining, keep going if you want to, you're just helping to sink the credibility of this forum, and by doing that you're not exactly helping the cause from your side of the BB fence.

I'm terribly sorry. I'm an educated man, with a large vocabulary, but when I picture you in my minds eye, well, that's all I got.

Originally Posted by Finix

I actually agree with Hypanor that this doesn't belong in BB thread and apologize for my part in off-top. Let's ask the admins to move it to another thread if people are interested in discussing general industry issues.

I was rude to you Finix dear. Apologies! My ex employment agent's instincts speak now and then. You are somebody with star quality but you do need somebody to help you find the best niche for your skills and I am too old for that job! Will send you a PM as I would like to get to know you better.

Originally Posted by Gregg

I'm terribly sorry. I'm an educated man, with a large vocabulary, but when I picture you in my minds eye, well, that's all I got.

I too am educated, and I don't have an issue with the words you used Gregg. Works for me perfectly well.

Originally Posted by WealthBoy

I could not really understand why you guys here are debating about BB...of course it is a ponzi program but BB has just become a little bit sophisticated to make the program last longer (or maybe become a little bit stable though many would be raising eyebrows here).

Great. There is a "sophisticated means" sentencing enhancement under U.S. guidelines.

Originally Posted by WealthBoy

Now, you might say that am a critic of BB. No, I am also an investor in BB. I invested in there last April or May 2012 and so far I already got back my initial investment and some profits.

Great. You invested in a Ponzi scheme knowing full well is was a Ponzi scheme that "has just become a little bit sophisticated to make the program last longer."

Story about a fraud scheme in which prosecutors called for a "sophisticated means" sentencing enhancement:

Wasendorf should get maximum embezzlement sentence, government says | TheGazette

Here's what happened:

FBI — Peregrine Financial Group CEO Sentenced to 50 Years for Fraud, Embezzlement, and Lying to Regulators

BTW, there also is a "mass marketing" sentencing enhancement under U.S. guidelines: U.S.S.G. § 2B1.1(b)(2)(A)(ii)

"The Guidelines define 'mass-marketing' to include fraudulent schemes 'conducted through solicitation by . . . the Internet . . . to induce a large number of persons to . . . invest for financial profit.'"

One such case in which the "mass marketing" sentencing enhancement was applied:

07-3514: USA v. Jeffrey Heckel :: Seventh Circuit :: US Court of Appeals Cases :: Justia

From United States of America v. Jeffrey Heckel, U.S. Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit (bolding added):

"Application of the mass-marketing enhancement was appropriate because Heckel used the Internet to conduct large-scale advertising to attract bidders to his fraudulent online auctions . . ."

PPBlog

One can only assume, judging by the reams of nonsensical gibberish that they post, that BB "apologists" are being paid by the word. I hope that they are being paid via E-wallet. That would be so funny, lulz in fact.

Probably should add there is a sentencing enhancement for "vulnerable victims" such as senior citizens. Story on case from Tennessee:

EDITORIAL: Recruiting Seniors Into Your Downline? Why Ponzi-Forum Purveyors And Pimps Should Pay Attention To Dennis Bolze’s Failed Bid To Have His 27-Year-Prison Sentence Reduced

PPBlog

Originally Posted by okosh

Prove it....Go on....Here is your big chance to show how you are right and how all the old hands are wrong....

Mortgage your house.....Withdraw all your savings....Max out your credit cards and deposit the lot in BB which you say is not dead....

Then come back and tell us how you made out......

I'm not proud....I'll be happy to admit that I was wrong and you were right.....

Why would I put all my money into something that I know is a scam?

Originally Posted by Theseus

The bit in bold is the important bit, and the one that relates directly to the $2000 chicken burger in my analogy. Let's say, just for the sake of argument, that the banners exist. The figures that are being bandied about would mean than BB have a margin,the difference between what they pay their supplier and what they charge their customer, of over 36000%. Not even Columbian drug lords have that sort of mark-up, yet here you, and Teflon Terry are, telling us that not only do BB achieve this, but they do it over and over and over again, week in week out.

The question therefore, given that the every industry analyst states that the market for banner adverts is in freefall with prices decreasing almost daily, is where are all these sales coming from?

Do you really believe that someone charged with purchasing advertising space for a large national or multinational organisation (remember the claims, including yours, are of blue chip clients) is going to pay THREE HUNDRED AND SIXTY times the going rate? Remember the claim isn't just that ONE customer does, but that hundreds or thousands do. No wonder BB won't say who their clients are, their media buyers would all be queued up outside the job centre the very next morning.

What really amuses me though is that the more you, Teflon Terry, or the Happy Hooker try and explain it, the more preposterous the whole thing sounds. I almost look forward to hearing the next excuse for where the money comes from.

I'd imaging it won't be long before the claim is not that BB are like Google, but that they are Google, a secretive philanthropic section of the company that tours the world helping the poor and hard of thinking to achieve millionaire status in a few short weeks...

There is also the argument that was used in the ASD ponzi case. Why haven't the huge, legitimate corporations also gotten invested in this and reaped far more rewards then they currently are acting legally?

Oh dear, someone on BB Facts and Updates is not happy!

His account, if he has one, will be closed!

BB f and A 2nd Feb.jpg

Originally Posted by okosh

Prove it....Go on....Here is your big chance to show how you are right and how all the old hands are wrong....

Mortgage your house.....Withdraw all your savings....Max out your credit cards and deposit the lot in BB which you say is not dead....

Then come back and tell us how you made out......

I'm not proud....I'll be happy to admit that I was wrong and you were right.....

I've noticed the scammers are using a 'rotation' for their visitors to this site. I forget who should be up next though.

Originally Posted by Unknown_S

Nor is there evidence of ads. Any legitimate business has no problem proving so. BB is a ponzi. If it weren't true, you'd have proved it by now. If I sat here claiming Google was not the business they say they are, I could be proven wrong very quickly. But instead, I'll just sit here stating BB is a ponzi scam! ponzi! scam!!!¡¡¡! And you hate the fact there's nothing you can do about it. You can't shut me up, and you can't prove me wrong.

The fact they think they can state major corporations are advertising without knowing at all where their ads are even going is laughable.

Originally Posted by Justin Casey

One can only assume, judging by the reams of nonsensical gibberish that they post, that BB "apologists" are being paid by the word. I hope that they are being paid via E-wallet. That would be so funny, lulz in fact.

'the reams of nonsensical gibberish' in an attempt to justify this perfect system that is running so smoothly that it's secrecy is paramount to protect it from being copied and lucrative enough to make millionaires from mere average Joe's. In fact, it's happily working away while the affiliates sleep.

Then look at what they are saying in the webinars, BB fb announcements, etc and they all start with apologies for systems issues, problems with making payments, nonsensical excuses for unreliable payment dates, promises of systems improvements.

What they say and what we KNOW , black and white. You couldn't make it up!

Originally Posted by Justin Casey

One can only assume, judging by the reams of nonsensical gibberish that they post, that BB "apologists" are being paid by the word. I hope that they are being paid via E-wallet. That would be so funny, lulz in fact.

Of course they're being paid via the e-wallet. Alternatively, it could be a fast-track payment to the pre-paid card.... which at the current speed should get there in about 12 months time, if they're lucky.

But yeah, lulz

Hi all, found someone called Doria Johnson on linkedin and another person Elizabeth Spooner, both promoting bb in nz, shame on you kiwi's have none of you done any due diligence?
to any kiwi's reading this forum contact the commerce commission and they will inform you that bb is in fact a pyramid scheme, come on kiwi's one simple phone call then decide for yourselves who you will believe, banners broker (strangers overseas out to con you) or our very own commerce commission who ensure that all companies abide by the rules of our FAIR TRADING ACT!

Hi yall!
Im a long time lurker, but I decided to finaly create an account just to tell you that I love this thread!
A friend of mine tried to get me sucked into BB and I wanted to se if there was any info about it, so I found this page.
I cant contribute with anything to the discussion, just wanted to tell you that I really like what you are doing here.
Hopefully, BB will go down before more poor souls get scamed, hopefully...

Originally Posted by path2prosperity

I was rude to you Finix dear. Apologies! My ex employment agent's instincts speak now and then. You are somebody with star quality but you do need somebody to help you find the best niche for your skills and I am too old for that job! Will send you a PM as I would like to get to know you better.

Don't worry about me. I already had the best job in the industry - being an exchanger. I don't want to be anything else online, and short of running a program, I've already done everything else the industry has to offer.

Originally Posted by Whip

I've noticed the scammers are using a 'rotation' for their visitors to this site. I forget who should be up next though.

Same old!!"

Don't you remember the Krimm mod rotation. First the "nice guy "jerry1530 or some name like that then the guy beginning with T, then wiseowl and last but not least Brookie. Then they all joined forces and became Mod Squad!

SBM had something to say about them.

Mod Squad in action

The other in krimm mod rotation was the Tonik.

This saga is a new version of Bob Krimm and his mod squad. Krimm threatened to sue me. I ignored the threats and wrote more "libel" about him.

Krimm's mods or cronies ganged up and called themselves "Mod Squad." The five or six in the motley crew squad tried to get into the news and win the sympathy vote by taking over NetSurfMonitor. They said the owner had given them permission to tell their story about the injury to Krimm which was being caused by one old woman in UK.

The owner of NetSurfMonitor Gary something or other flunked out and sold his monitor to David Estes. David would not publish malicious gossip about anybody without evidence, so that fell flat. Krimm's mod squad could not get any support from online journalists so they united and threatned to sue me as a group.

Where are the Krimm mods now? Wiseowl's picture is being circulated on every underground network. I am pretty sure that Jerry (only talk facts) has shown his nose in here. These fake law students and church members who originated from Adlandpro could easily be ex Krimm members. They are completely effete and doomed to failure like Krimm's Mod Squad. The Tonik ( a Krimm mod) opened a forex training school around the same time as Jill Bachman opened hers. She gave that up pretty quickly so where is The Tonik?

Originally Posted by okosh

Why thank you waverider.....You are too kind

FYI....The only thing I hate more than a shill who is fluent in "scammer talk" is an AUSSIE shill who is fluent in "scammer talk"

Like sharkeyshark who was going to polish you off in one gulp.

Originally Posted by littleroundman

All anyone would have to do is display a "This is a HYIP ponzi, play at your own risk" banner on the front page of their website and all the problems would be solved.

But of course, they're not.

Not true. It's been done in the past, and on several occasions. A straight up game for gamblers that says it's a game.

There are a lot more admins who would do it, but admitting to running an illegal scheme right on the site complicates the matters. What's the point of being honest if it's only going to hurt you?

Now if the games were legalized, such warnings on sites would be a norm.

Originally Posted by Whip

I've noticed the scammers are using a 'rotation' for their visitors to this site. I forget which of Roger Stockburger's personalities should be up next though.

Edited for truth

Originally Posted by path2prosperity

Like sharkeyshark who was going to polish you off in one gulp.

I completely forgot about that pimp/shill. I always hoped that Martin Brody with Quint and Cooper's help would have killed Sharkeyshark! LOL

Originally Posted by Theseus

Tell me, Roger, when you go into KFC do they hand you a physical product for your money, or do they tell you that your lunch is somewhere, but they can't tell you where?

Also, to be 100% accurate you'd also have to be paying $2000 for your box of dead chicken bits and the KFC staff would have bought it, at a reduced rate, five minutes before it was due to go in the bin, from the Hungry Jack's next door...

You forgot to mention what the compensation plan for the staff looks like. It's even more hilarious than what the customers get.

Originally Posted by Theseus

Edited for truth

lol.......

Originally Posted by path2prosperity

Same old!!"

Don't you remember the Krimm mod rotation. First the "nice guy "jerry1530 or some name like that then the guy beginning with T, then wiseowl and last but not least Brookie. Then they all joined forces and became Mod Squad!

SBM had something to say about them.

Mod Squad in action

The other in krimm mod rotation was the Tonik.

This saga is a new version of Bob Krimm and his mod squad. Krimm threatened to sue me. I ignored the threats and wrote more "libel" about him.

Krimm's mods or cronies ganged up and called themselves "Mod Squad." The five or six in the motley crew squad tried to get into the news and win the sympathy vote by taking over NetSurfMonitor. They said the owner had given them permission to tell their story about the injury to Krimm which was being caused by one old woman in UK.

The owner of NetSurfMonitor Gary something or other flunked out and sold his monitor to David Estes. David would not publish malicious gossip about anybody without evidence, so that fell flat. Krimm's mod squad could not get any support from online journalists so they united and threatned to sue me as a group.

Where are the Krimm mods now? Wiseowl's picture is being circulated on every underground network. I am pretty sure that Jerry (only talk facts) has shown his nose in here. These fake law students and church members who originated from Adlandpro could easily be ex Krimm members. They are completely effete and doomed to failure like Krimm's Mod Squad. The Tonik ( a Krimm mod) opened a forex training school around the same time as Jill Bachman opened hers. She gave that up pretty quickly so where is The Tonik?

Thank you Judy for that trip down memory lane.......

For those wanting to read more about it.....Program was called 15hits daily and the name tri-star was also used.....
IMO that scam and Robert Krimm were way ahead of their time.....If started today it could have been one of the biggest ever.....
LOL...I wish I'd have bought some of them Tri-Star coffee mugs when I had the chance