Thread: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam

Brilliant finch, worth the wait.

Definitely worth the wait. Some really good and well thought out questions.

I think Terry has made a reasonable stab at your initial questions but totally spoilt it by not getting involved in the follow up.

His reasoning for not following it up is also interesting. Stating that it is odd saying we refuse to understand why they are not in the advertising industry. That is their product at the end of the day. My insurance broker I assume is in the insurance industry but they haven't insured me themselves!

Originally Posted by hendyphilhendy

New Stellar point website Stellar Point - Stellar Point Inc. They are really pushing this 'difference' now

I noticed they're certainly different to Banners Broker in one key respect...

They use PayPal!

I also noticed the absence of glowing 3rd-party testimonies from their... er... 'Premier Clients':

Banners Broker
Monetize Group
Buzinga
PayValley
Parrot Marketing
Premium Free Benefits

Originally Posted by Julie Diligent

I noticed they're certainly different to Banners Broker in one key respect...

They use PayPal!

So does Terry!

Originally Posted by noname999

Quiet on all forums. People seem to be losing interest. Don't know if its a loss of interest in discussing the programme or loss of interst in the programme itself.

For months now the only real question remaining concerning Banners Broker has been "with a bang or with a whimper"

Regular HYIP ponzi "players" are long gone.

Shills,pimps and "monitors" are even more active than usual as they try and squeeze out the last dollar.

"True believers" are either too scared to complain or well preconditioned enough to think this is all "normal"

It's called the universal law of "that's what happens"

Originally Posted by noname999

Just took this from the site:

Stellar Point is a Canadian company with offices in Canada, Caribbean, Europe and Asia.

Why don't I believe them...

Must be the only representative of a "multi billion dollar" international advertising giant that doesn't make mention of the fact on it's website.

Terry Stern: The Choice Network is in a BETA stage, and is currently under review

In 2013, the Choice network will be going to GAMMA stage; 2014 will be aiming for DELTA stage; The final OMEGA stage will be around 2035.
There are no plans to roll out the final 'LIVE' Choice network, as the world is going to be obliterated in 2036 which doesn't give us enough time to go through all the testing stages.

Terry Stern: Furthermore, it’s currently being introduced that affiliates must have running campaigns as part of their businesses. This isn’t a ‘sit back and do nothing’ business, this business requires attention in order to work optimally,

I really am serious haha, I'm not sure why people think its a scam; ive "invested" like £200 of my own money and withdrawn 4.5k+ now.

I'm not begging for affiliates simply spreading the word to how people can be apart of this and make easy money,
I literary click like 4 things anight and earn revenue from it, cannot see the downside at all.

Banners Broker - easy money

Terry's right, seems like hard work!

Originally Posted by noname999

Quiet on all forums. People seem to be losing interest. Don't know if its a loss of interest in discussing the programme or loss of interst in the programme itself.

It's a simple case of the "BB Affiliates" who are all just "punters" knowing that they have milked this ponzi-cow through their facebook pages and the like for all they can get out of it.....
The "BB affiliates" know full well that their accounts now are just numbers on the screen so they have moved on to the next new ponzi just like how they moved on when the ponzi de jour prior to BB ended....
They know that BB is well into the "end game" now and that the only people who will get another dime out of this scam is the admins as the last few newbs get suckered into joining and making a deposit into this now no longer paying scam.....

Wait a month then do google search for all the affiliates who had their names mentioned in this thread and their facebook pages posted here and you will see where they moved on to.....

Originally Posted by Poyol

I don't think I've seen anyone fighting over who posted what.

You mentioned obscure blogs, these blogs are at the top of a search for Banners Broker - not so obscure for searchers of those keywords.

Obviously your opinions are allowed here, but why do you feel the need to post if it doesn't affect you?

Think about that and come back to me, you're on the ignore list now.

Rather then put Finix on ignore you should look to learn from her......

[QUOTE=Hypanor;43919]Banners Broker - easy money

Terry's right, seems like hard work![/QUOTE ]

seems that poster only joined the site in Dec '12 and he's on there begging to get members to join bb!! What a chancer!

Another gem of an unanswered question

Finch: Affiliates are told that BannersBroker requires work to succeed. They are encouraged to build their own ‘Banners Broker business’. Can you explain, in market terms and as a value proposition, what this business is?

Terry Stern: The business simply put, is brokering ad space for advertising. The more affiliates an affiliate can bring into the network, the more they are able to take advantage of the credit incentives the company offers. As previously mentioned, affiliates are now also being required to run campaigns. The business is about brokering ad space, and an affiliate can run a campaign to promote their BBI business, but they still must run a campaign as part of their business.

Finch: You say affiliates are being required to run campaigns. What kind of campaigns? And why should they have to run them?

Something else that is relatively new. Affiliates in this now non advertising business HAVE to run advertising campaigns.

And here is one key reason affiliates have a delay on payments. Banners Broker are Investing their money elsewhere

Finch: The company has implemented a requirement that 3 months advance notice be given for any withdrawal over $10,000. We know that advertiser revenue enters the system as soon as the impressions have been bought. In fact, on BannersBroker.com, the advertiser is required to pre-fund his account before he can run any ads. This advance payment means the strain on cash-flow should be minimal. Why does it take 3 months to issue the larger payments?

Terry Stern: BBI has investments in various places, with the time it takes to gather the funds from the various institutions to meet the requests by our affiliates. It’s a well known fact that financial institutions invest the money placed in their trust. Even PayPal follows this practice.

of course other businesses, even PayPal have investments; however, businesses with any sense would only do this if there working capital needs are being met.

This statement alone from Terry must instill some doubt. What investments etc.are being paid for? What if they crash!

This goes back slightly to Terry's issue of publicly available financial information. He is obviously right that I'm Canada this is not normally available. However, in most other countries limited company info is public, especially for an entity of their alleged size. They deliberately use Canada for this reason.

Of course other companies like Google, Facebook etc. display their public.finance info as a) they have to b) they want investor confidence

Originally Posted by hendyphilhendy

What investments etc.are being paid for?

1. Perhaps to purchase some real estate? Plucking a random address out of the air - let's say 5 Carlow Court?
2. Would bribing Indian officials be considered an investment?

(NB no proof of point 2, just thinking aloud)

Originally Posted by AshKen1

This is the reason they don't use Paypal....Terry - because they aren’t universally accepted payment options.



Really? Really, really, really?

AshKen ,but he is right...do You know any scam on the globe using PayPal?

Hi everyone, had to make a new user name as I bought a new computer and couldn't remember my old password and totally messed up trying to retrieve it, so I am the same kiwichicknz as before........................ any hooo................. I have caught up on all Mr Stern's bs and remembered a facebook entry from the OFFICIAL FACEBOOK page, dated 12 January

tried to upload a screen shot of this but couldn't (clearly not an IT genius like Mr Smith!!!) so if someone else could upload this that be great anyway my question to all of you at rs is how does this statement

"With BB you can target your ad to select geographical and contextual areas to better reach your target audience"

fit with terry sterns replies to finches questions regarding the blind network? and no terry I will not accept your standard answer that affiliates use the wrong words!!! or does the official facebook page also get it wrong?.........lol
kiwi

and also from the official bb facebook page dated 15th jan

"Banners Broker offers you the chance to be a publisher online without owning a website. Go to BannersBroker to find out how"

so the changes terry told finch about have only been implemented since jan 15th?
kiwi

Originally Posted by kiwichick

facebook entry from the OFFICIAL FACEBOOK

Would you mind posting a link to the Official facebook page please? Not sure if i've been looking at the official one or unofficial ones? Thanks

Originally Posted by okosh

Rather then put Finix on ignore you should look to learn from her......

What do I need to learn from her?
I should learn how to not get involved that I want to educate people?

Originally Posted by Theseus

Why does the blurb scan as if it was written by a school leaver?


What a silly question...

Well

Stellar Point can specialize their services depending on your business needs.

If you repeat that often enough, then that's what'll bring in the business. Dreadful, basic website. Probably done by a school leaver as well. Sheesh!

Go on, surprise me, tell me that the new website ISN'T hosted by BB network....

Originally Posted by DevaEboracum

Would you mind posting a link to the Official facebook page please? Not sure if i've been looking at the official one or unofficial ones? Thanks

http://www.facebook.com/bannersbroker?fref=ts

Originally Posted by AshKen1

Well



If you repeat that often enough, then that's what'll bring in the business. Dreadful, basic website. Probably done by a school leaver as well. Sheesh!

Go on, surprise me, tell me that the new website ISN'T hosted by BB network....

I think the website is quite nice - minimalist and clean.

Not looked at it for too long - looks like a WP theme/template though.

Originally Posted by Poyol

I think the website is quite nice - minimalist and clean.

Not looked at it for too long - looks like a WP theme/template though.

You mean it's an improvement on the previous websites they have been using on their network? That may well be true. Not to my taste then which I accept.

Originally Posted by AshKen1

You mean it's an improvement on the previous websites they have been using on their network? That may well be true. Not to my taste then which I accept.

http://wordpress.org/extend/themes/blackbird is my favourite theme at the moment.
I'm not a web designer - I can get a website up and running though!

A lot of people here are saying it's over and we should move on; it's not over till there is no one being hurt from that particular scheme.


Jason

Actually, I take it back.

The website is dreadful - on a good website you should have to scroll ... unless it's a forum/blog of course!

Jason