Thread: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam

Originally Posted by Poyol

If you're using VHDs and have a backup of the VHD, a few hours.
If you need to reload the whole server and restore an incremental backup ... a day and a half at most.

Unless you the admin of a ponzi that has no money left to pay the members with in which case I've seen a server change take weeks....and weeks.....and weeks.....

From memory there is at least one ponzi from 2005 that still hasn't completed it's "server change"

Originally Posted by okosh

Unless you the admin of a ponzi that has no money left to pay the members with in which case I've seen a server change take weeks....and weeks.....and weeks.....

From memory there is at least one ponzi from 2005 that still hasn't completed it's "server change"

Haha,

I wouldn't know about changing servers for HYIPs.
I've never done one personally!

Jason

Originally Posted by Della Cate

Screen shot of the above - it's today, 18th January 2013

Attachment 2770

You may recall I posted that clip of the FB page yesterday with comments made by Jonathon someone or other (yes you Jonathon) slating Finch. Today, that particular post with has gone. How strange is that? Rhetorical question only ;)

Originally Posted by okosh

The personally autographed copy of your book that I have on my desk is one of my favorite possessions....It motivates me and reminds me of the years spent fighting to make a difference in the forums like talkgold and MMG.........

I guess opinions on what is important changes the longer people do what we do.....Took me years to work out that discrediting the admin or the program to those who were members of the program is a waste of time and energy...

Clearly I've upset a few people over the last days in my effort to show what you are saying here....This was not my intention and I'm sorry for it

Apology accepted.

Some of us are still learning about this. I know I still am. I accept you know lots more about beheading the ponzi hydra so you'll have to be gentle with us mere tyros.

Maybe a sweeping statement, but trying to be logical with an illogical thing like a ponzi leaves me as baffled as those of the other people on here who cannot get their heads round why people fall for ponzi scams in the first place or who still believe in them after the leaders are in prison. Guess it's all part of being human.


Meanwhile back on the ranch...

I wonder how many people who are in BB can believe the excuse that the servers are being swapped over whilst they have been able to get into their accounts over the last few days and their teeny-tiny panels have still been ticking over? The traffic pack subscriptions and/or monthly fees will also have been taken.

If you're a BB observer - GO CHECK YOUR ACCOUNT

I haven't seen ANYONE on the various Facebook pages stating that the SYSTEM has been closed down over the last few days for a server upgrade. FACT!

So the excuse is a load of BS!

Originally Posted by okosh

A potential recruit will not stay away from BB based on who the admin is.....They will stay away because of what BB is....
There is more then enough proof that BB is just a ponzi scheme which has imploded....

I think you're giving the average BB investor way too much credit there. You only have to look at some of the posts on MMG to see that many couldn't care less where the money is coming from, they're not interested in whether it is from selling magic beans coloured panels, or whether it comes direct from some little old lady's purse, as long as it's coming their way. I'll bet even with all the negative publicity in Ireland there are still people signing up with McCarthy on almost a daily basis, hoping to get rich before what they know full-well is a ponzi, explodes.

Originally Posted by Hypanor

He also signed up people under false pretenses to the tune of $4 Million which he placed in an offshore account."[/I]

Thats a lot of money, and is fraud. Where are the criminal charges in the UK? Is he talking about Ian??

Where did Terry original post this? I can't seem to find it? Thanks

Originally Posted by noname999

For the computer gurus on here, how long does it take to change servers? The payouts are now 8 days late. Could it take this long?

Its quite a complex task actually. First you have to uninstall Open Office, then install Office360 (they suddenly realised they can afford non-freeware now). The OOS (Spreadsheet) macro's don't work in Excel, so they're flying Pauls Casio over to help with the calculations. Overnight airbags are not cheap you know.

Seriously though, there is no down time in 'changing servers' for a business of this size. I worked in corporate IT support for a number of years, part of which involved beta testing and rolling out new software to our Australia wide group, and twice we moved our web servers to different hosting locations.

If its a software update being done, then it would be tested extensively on a dev server and once everyone signed off then it would be ported over to the live server. The switch over, in most cases, was instantaneous. If it involved a little more work, then it would be done at the quietest time (late evening) but still, would be no more than an hour or so.

Moving to a new physical server within the same hosting environment is a cinch, outside world shouldn't even notice the changeover.

Moving to a new host can be a bit trickier, but 'downtime' is only related to stale DNS records waiting to be updated (so they send you to the new location when you type in the address). Again, the physical work is all pre-done and pre-tested.

So to summarise, for a company with a turnover of hundreds of millions, "the server being changed' as an explanation is a complete load of codswallop. If it's true, then the head of IT should be sacked for incompetence.

Originally Posted by DevaEboracum

Where did Terry original post this? I can't seem to find it? Thanks

He says it on Finchs blog...click the word HERE below, it will take you to the post.

This is what should be a focus, does anyone know if its been reported to the police? I'm still bamboozled as to why he would say this in public - no true PR person would make such a gaff.

Originally Posted by Hypanor

But then HERE he backtracks after Phil questions that, and says
"You’ve actually brought up a good point. As of recent things have changed as the result of problems we ran into with having regional BB offices. I was just informed of the changes as they were just recently enacted, so I apologize for mis-speaking on this earlier.
BannersBroker used to have regional offices set up in each country they did business in. The problem arose whereby the people running some of those offices chose to stray from the official method of doing business and implemeted their own procedures and instructional techniques."

Which says his previous statement was true, but the business operation was changed because of it.

More concerning though, he says this
"One such issue was in fact in the UK, where the representative there started charging affiliates for support when he should have referred them to BBI. He also signed up people under false pretenses to the tune of $4 Million which he placed in an offshore account."

Thats a lot of money, and is fraud. Where are the criminal charges in the UK? Is he talking about Ian??

Originally Posted by okosh

Most info is found with a few clicks of the mouse and a little tool called Google......

Someone also mentioned how different people see different results with Google. For those who maybe don't know, Google will often filter or skew search results based on what they know about the searcher (won't go into how that happens here, its worthy of a topic all its own).

Google is still a good search engine, but alternatives sometimes through new light on old searches. A favourite of mine is www.duckduckgo.com

I wasn't going to get involved in the in-house bickering, but I will say I think it is important to continue to name people and their associated information here. It provides a history for the future, should they be involved in another scam and someone is researching the person. It could also potentially be used by authorities or lawyers for future legal / class actions. This is why I sometimes post innocuous stuff about BB affiliated here. Many of them are nothing in the grand scheme, but if I find someone who is actively recruiting or making claims of large returns, then they will be named here - safe in the knowledge the information isn't going to disappear.

Also why the hunt for Chris Smith should continue. If he is who he says he is, or someone else, when and if this comes down there is a better chance he is held accountable.

Originally Posted by Hypanor

This is what should be a focus, does anyone know if its been reported to the police?

That was exactly my thought...was going to formulate a couple of questions for noname for Terry.

Originally Posted by Hypanor

He says it on Finchs blog...click the word HERE below, it will take you to the post.

I'm still bamboozled as to why he would say this in public - no true PR person would make such a gaff.

Agree...or if they did announce it, it would be in a formal press release / announcement, it wouldn't be off the cuff in a blog. I'm assuming his thinking is...if I give away a bit of a gem / secret etc. it will show my willingness to be open and they will then believe everything else i say.

One of the posters on Finch, D Pressed who, if you frequent there as well, has been known to waffle on and off topic actually freaked out about the revelation of the $4M scamming of UK affiliates. Go find it, it's worth a read. I feel sorry for D as he has been quite an ardent supporter of BB, ticking off everyone who has challenged him.

So Terry really did score an own goal with that dropped tidbit as I am sure that will ripple outwards through the party faithful slowly but surely.

Originally Posted by DevaEboracum

Agree...or if they did announce it, it would be in a formal press release / announcement, it wouldn't be off the cuff in a blog. I'm assuming his thinking is...if I give away a bit of a gem / secret etc. it will show my willingness to be open and they will then believe everything else i say.

Or he / that tidbit is a fake?

Whatever, the supposed PR Manager for Stellar Point has publicly said a massive crime was committed in the UK. To date, the 'officials' at BB haven't disputed it.

Originally Posted by Theseus

I think you're giving the average BB investor way too much credit there. You only have to look at some of the posts on MMG to see that many couldn't care less where the money is coming from, they're not interested in whether it is from selling magic beans coloured panels, or whether it comes direct from some little old lady's purse, as long as it's coming their way. I'll bet even with all the negative publicity in Ireland there are still people signing up with McCarthy on almost a daily basis, hoping to get rich before what they know full-well is a ponzi, explodes.

And then again, there is the other type of investor who has been pulled in through friends/family and who really really believe they are on to a good thing. The ones who will be devastated that their dreams are in pieces on the floor.

I asked my mate how he would feel if he found out that his money wasn't his and was coming from others and he couldn't reply. Not because he's a shill, but because he can't get his head round that concept at all: BB is the answer to his prayers.

Originally Posted by AshKen1

One of the posters on Finch, D Pressed who, if you frequent there as well, has been known to waffle on and off topic actually freaked out about the revelation of the $4M scamming of UK affiliates. Go find it, it's worth a read. I feel sorry for D as he has been quite an ardent supporter of BB, ticking off everyone who has challenged him.

So Terry really did score an own goal with that dropped tidbit as I am sure that will ripple outwards through the party faithful slowly but surely.

I was wondering if D Pressed is Solstar from MMG - now he is depressing! I've never seen such an example of an optimistic pessimist before!

I see he's (Solstar) being compared to Young Ones Neil today, lol!

Originally Posted by Hypanor

Or he / that tidbit is a fake?

Whatever, the supposed PR Manager for Stellar Point has publicly said a massive crime was committed in the UK. To date, the 'officials' at BB haven't disputed it.

Oh I'm rapidly coming to the conclusion that TDS is slightly er... non-genuine *cough*

If someone has committed that crime and you're a dodgy "company" *cough* the last thing you want is police involvement because further digging can only take place and expose things ...

Hey! Maybe that's why he's always in meetings??

Originally Posted by Beacon

Great post. That and the "five classes of poster " reminded me of :
The Spanish Inquisition - Monty Python


Maybe we could recast with Smith Dixit and Stern as the Cardinals?

Thanks Beacon, that cracked me up! I actually could still visualize the skit, even after so many years - they were classic...

Originally Posted by okosh

The personally autographed copy of your book that I have on my desk is one of my favorite possessions....It motivates me and reminds me of the years spent fighting to make a difference in the forums like talkgold and MMG.........

I guess opinions on what is important changes the longer people do what we do.....Took me years to work out that discrediting the admin or the program to those who were members of the program is a waste of time and energy...

I disagree. For example Hitler needed to be gone after. Had he been assinated maybe WWII would have ender earlier. At any rate the leaders of the Nazi miovement needed to be called to account. I do accept however that many many Nazis after the war all admitted that they spent the war driving and ambulance or working in a hospital. The needed to be outed.

The people at the low and mid levels in a Ponzi also need to be listed in my opinion IF they are promoting the Ponzi. I know of people who were on lists of offshore bank accounts for a Bank called Ansbacher which had money in various bank accounts in Ireland, the Channel Islands, and the Isle of Man, and Caymen Islands ( very similar to BB ) and didnt know that they were involved in Illegal activities.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moriarty_Tribunal
When the news broke they felt very foolish. And there were doctors and senior public officials with money invested in this. It was not a Ponzi however but a tax dodge. BB is a different story. True , many of the Affilliates many not know and are niave but many have been informed and have ignored the evidence.

I am now of the opinion that those who have been ionformed and who ignore the evidence should be outed. Especially those who have some authority, who promote the Ponzi and who block or attack any antio scam people trying to ask questions or provide information about it. What say ye?
For example it is quite simple to look up Facebook or Linkedin or other sites and pick out group managers or posters who support BB and to post their identity here.

Clearly I've upset a few people over the last days in my effort to show what you are saying here....This was not my intention and I'm sorry for it

A Daniel A Daniel come to judgement!

Fair play to you.

Originally Posted by Theseus

I think you're giving the average BB investor way too much credit there. You only have to look at some of the posts on MMG to see that many couldn't care less where the money is coming from, they're not interested in whether it is from selling magic beans coloured panels, or whether it comes direct from some little old lady's purse, as long as it's coming their way. I'll bet even with all the negative publicity in Ireland there are still people signing up with McCarthy on almost a daily basis, hoping to get rich before what they know full-well is a ponzi, explodes.

You are right....Reff whores like Stros, Ken Russo and even our favorite Aussie granny don't care where the money comes from....So long as it pays they happy.....

Originally Posted by Beacon

I disagree. For example Hitler needed to be gone after. Had he been assinated maybe WWII would have ender earlier.

You saying we should assassinate the head guy?

Jason

Originally Posted by Hypanor

Or he is a fake?

Didn't Poyol verify him at the start so we knew who he was?

Originally Posted by okosh

If a well known company here in Aus asked me for a copy of my passport I'd laugh at them and tell them to F off....

How people can send such doccuments to anyone is beyond me..........

AS I understand it you dont have a passport. what I mean is the passport is not your property and is property of the State. I am obnly going by Irish law here which states the Passport remains property of Ministry iof Foreign Affairs.

Now under US Law would that not make Banners Brokers actions a federal offence e.g. like one against the postal service and thus circumvent any requirements for State based extradition?

Originally Posted by Poyol

You saying we should assassinate the head guy?

Jason

I'd just stuff him in the trunk of the car till he admits that BB is a ponzi-scam.....

Originally Posted by Hypanor

I was wondering if D Pressed is Solstar from MMG - now he is depressing! I've never seen such an example of an optimistic pessimist before!

I see he's (Solstar) being compared to Young Ones Neil today, lol!

Nah, D Pressed is quite erudite and also amusing, Solstar is



<thinks for a while about how to put this politely>



a complete bellend.

Originally Posted by Poyol

You saying we should assassinate the head guy?

Jason

I thought someone might bring this up. I am loathe to dilute what happened in the Holocaust but I think extreme black and white examples illustrate the underlying principle.
The point i am making is should Chris Smith exist and should he die or disappear tomorrow then it would have little effect on the BB Ponzi. However this is not to say ther is no point at all in persuing Chris Smith or other BB leaders. It has already been argued by others that this should not be the prime requisite of scam busting. While that it is something with whith I concur, I would not demote it to such a degree that we ignore it as a major goal. All the aforesaid is peripheral to suggesting whether or not illegal actions are justified - something which I did not do. Moral ethical and legal arguments on the justice of assisinating Hitler really don't warrant being rehearsed here do they?